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Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #90
Last time we played Melbourne Charlie kicked 1-4 and we were done over by the umpires 2:1, I particularly recall Viney getting a bunch of cheap frees for Selwood style diving, and Melksham getting away with murder, while SoJ had a shocker in D50!
Melksham was on his own from memory and just fed on the scraps we made for him.......some of our defenders are going to have to play some defense this week and get a bit closer to Pickett and Fritsch this week than we normally do. If we do that and Charlie and Harry kick straight we might be a chance. Im not so concerned about Gawn/Grundy as our mids can still compete well enough to offset any dominance they may have.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #91
Funny thing about this game.
It could be career defining for some players.
Play well and it may be a turning point for some on the fringe.
For others it could be a last chance.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #92
Funny thing about this game.
It could be career defining for some players.
Play well and it may be a turning point for some on the fringe.
For others it could be a last chance.
Tough gig coming into a side that has:
- been performing poorly.
- suffered a bunch of injuries all at once.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #93
I have no expectations for this week. I am flat as a  tack with the Blues ATM. Will just be hoping for some spirit and system to return for 4 qtrs . Will be happy with that.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #94
I was interested in something Harry said in his latest podcast, he says those headphones he wears in the pre game warm up are not playing music, they are noise cancelling to block out the noise from the fans. That doesn't make sense to me. We often talk about how the pressure at training is different (non existent) to playing in front of crowds from a noise perspective. I've often thought that shots for goal practice at training could be done wearing headphones playing loud crowd noise to help simulate the environment (maybe they do this already). Sure the pressure of the game itself is not there but the noise would be at least. I would have thought Harry would be taking the opportunity to practice his goal kicking in the warm up with the crowd noise (and distraction) as opposed to cancelling it.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #95
I was interested in something Harry said in his latest podcast, he says those headphones he wears in the pre game warm up are not playing music, they are noise cancelling to block out the noise from the fans. That doesn't make sense to me. We often talk about how the pressure at training is different (non existent) to playing in front of crowds from a noise perspective. I've often thought that shots for goal practice at training could be done wearing headphones playing loud crowd noise to help simulate the environment (maybe they do this already). Sure the pressure of the game itself is not there but the noise would be at least. I would have thought Harry would be taking the opportunity to practice his goal kicking in the warm up with the crowd noise (and distraction) as opposed to cancelling it.

Depends.  Everyone is different.

When I was playing, I had some routines and rituals that I liked not because of anything tangible but how it made me feel.  Washed, but I had my match day socks, my match day bike shorts which helped with chafing.  Ultimately it was about building consistency and feeling comfortable through repeating a familiar process.  Not doing it was worse, than any perceived flaws in what I was doing.

Harry's kicking has gotten worse lately, but there was a time I was confident he would convert even with the kick around the corner.

Thats gone and he's recognised the problem.   His approach was inconsistent and ergo, his kicking a bit erratic.  It took a couple of years of fev misfiring before he became a really straight kick because he started changing things (notably his grip on the ball) and now Harry is fixing it.  Will take time but he'll finish the year better than he started.


"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #96
H needs to get back to his aggressive confident self as he was in his Coleman year.
He is cringeworthy right now - going for marks with one hand just tops it off how woeful he is playing.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #97
Someone needs to tell him - dont worry about suspensions just play with aggression and make your presence felt

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #98
Someone needs to tell him - dont worry about suspensions just play with aggression and make your presence felt
Doesn't help when the opposition can keep belting you in the head without repercussions, 3 out of the last 4 weeks BigH has come of with an eyebrow or forehead opened up.

Most opposition aren't even getting punch or spoil attempts above his elbows, but they aren't penalised for it. Some just whack him in the side of the head when they can't reach, like Moore did when we played the Filth, and they do not get penalised.

Go down the other end, and a one on one wrestle with Mihocek results in him getting a free kick for the chop of the arms, the difference is bizarre!
The Force Awakens!

 

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Reply #99
Apart from Pittonet, I'm not too sure the injuries hurt us too much....assuming Cripps and Kennedy play. That still gives us a midfield with Cripps, Kennedy, Cerra and Walsh.....and Docherty can play midfield at times to cover Hewett? Down back I can see Cincotta or Cowan coming in for Newman and Boyd staying back to play on one of their smaller forwards. Binns probably takes Holland's spot and Fisher replaces Durdin.

Based on his game in the VFL last week, Silvagni comes back in anyway but is it to play back up ruck....or do they play Young or even look at Mirkov this week?


Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #100
Apart from Pittonet, I'm not too sure the injuries hurt us too much....assuming Cripps and Kennedy play. That still gives us a midfield with Cripps, Kennedy, Cerra and Walsh.....and Docherty can play midfield at times to cover Hewett? Down back I can see Cincotta or Cowan coming in for Newman and Boyd staying back to play on one of their smaller forwards. Binns probably takes Holland's spot and Fisher replaces Durdin.

Based on his game in the VFL last week, Silvagni comes back in anyway but is it to play back up ruck....or do they play Young or even look at Mirkov this week?



Tend to agree, Wave Rider, re replacements for injured players.

Going by Vossy's impressive media stuff today, it would seem that JSOS will assume 2nd ruck duties.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #101
Tend to agree, Wave Rider, re replacements for injured players.

Going by Vossy's impressive media stuff today, it would seem that JSOS will assume 2nd ruck duties.


Not a huge fan of Jack rucking vs real deal ruckman like Gawn and Grundy, last time vs Collingwood he couldnt handle Cameron and they took advantage. Surely we are not dumb enough to make the same mistakes again?

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #102
Not a huge fan of Jack rucking vs real deal ruckman like Gawn and Grundy, last time vs Collingwood he couldnt handle Cameron and they took advantage. Surely we are not dumb enough to make the same mistakes again?
Agreed, with Pitto out it's time for Mirkov to come in and for him and TDK to get on their bikes and run the ageing Gawn and Grundy all over the park!

We know the Dees have already allowed Gawn to float forward to manage his ongoing issues, between he and Grundy they are probably 70% season players now, but still very good ones!

But I suspect Young will be straight back in, might depend on the weather.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #103
Agreed, with Pitto out it's time for Mirkov to come in and for him and TDK to get on their bikes and run the ageing Gawn and Grundy all over the park!

We know the Dees have already allowed Grundy to float forward to manage his ongoing issues, between he and Grundy they are probably 70% season players now, but still very good ones!

But I suspect Young will be straight back in, might depend on the weather.
I dont mind giving Mirkov a run and having that extra big frame for Gawn and Grundy to bang into, he doesnt have to dominate, just be a nuisance and prevent them from dominating. TDK isnt a bang and crash big bodied type like Pitto and will need more relief than usual vs two big specialist rucks and we should be giving him proper help and not trying to cheat with Jack who needs to concentrate on his forward craft and find some form.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #104
And I'd have Dow in for Ed this week too....and have him in the starting 22. We just have to try something different IMO.