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Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #60 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
I have never seen that happen before despite numerous incidents that were similar.
A first for me too. If he didn't get his foot to it, it was unfortunately a free kick.

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Reply #61 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Is that right, I didn't realise. Is that why the man on the mark was standing at the top of the square?
UPDATE I Just watched the replay and it was given a behind (score changed from 84 to 85)
UPDATE OF THE UPDATE Boyd kicked a point and they didn't add a behind (score corrected)

After Boyd kicked his point the scoreboard went down for a few seconds then came back the same score to cover for the error when they gave Charlie's brainfade a point. Heard that on SEN this morning.

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Reply #62 –
Quote from: laj on
After Boyd kicked his point the scoreboard went down for a few seconds then came back the same score to cover for the error when they gave Charlie's brainfade a point. Heard that on SEN this morning.
Yeah, wasn't aware until I read MBB's post. A bloke at work and I were talking about the man on the mark standing at the top of the square instead of 30m out.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #63 –
Quote from: tonyo on
100% honest, I was very worried going into this game.  Between the inevitable let-down after last week's big win and Doc's knee, combined with a Richmond outfit who were always going to be fired up, there was a real chance we would turn up half-baked and get rolled. 
I agree. Richard had 3 of their best back and close to their best combo on the field and they were motivated to react after last week's embarrassment. But we looked to be the better team for most of the game. But for our kicking, we would have won by 5 goals. We stuffed up so many times in the forward 50, and, what irritated me more, we didn't look for short options very often. Not enough leading.
Nankervis was a big 'in' for them, and he beat Tom early. I would have liked Pitto out there, as he has the body to handle Nankervis. But Pitto isn't fit yet and doesn't look like he is going to be for a few weeks yet.
I loved the way Tom smothered and chased and tackled in the centre square.

Quote from: tonyo on
Fortunately, we were 3/4 baked and did enough to win.  Had two chances (start of the second and start of the last) where we could have put the game to bed - if we had established a 20+ lead at any stage, I think the Tiges would have faded - but we stuffed up enough to keep them interested.
The way we played in the middle part of the second quarter was magnificent in all but one way: our finishing in the forward 50. We will be better when a fit Jack martin and a fit Motlop are ready to go. Not sure when that is going to be, though. This was the 2nd's last practice match and we have a bye for VFL Rd 1! We really need our listed players to get more game time under their belts.

Quote from: tonyo on
This is one of those 'ugly' wins that you need to have - still get the four points, but also (hopefully) learn several lessons.
I don't mind an 'ugly' win, as long as it is a win.

Quote from: tonyo on
Kudos to our tackling, it has improved out of sight (although Lewis Y needs to do some significant remedial work).
Our tackling last night was magnificent. That and the smothers and the way we read the ball after those things happened. Mitch McGovern was really good at taking advantage of a tackle or smother. He had a very good game.

Quote from: tonyo on
Best sight for the night - TDK has finally realised he can jump higher than the gorillas and is faster around the ground.  I think his season will only get better.  And Harry's 'ball on the ground, 10 steps, kick' routine is clearly a keeper.
had to agree. To see the way Tom finished off was what I wanted. He can do this, he just has to believe he can.
H also seems to have the belief at the moment. Charlie needs a dose of it; he should have had at least 5.
Fantasia needs some belief badly. He'll be back in the two's when Martin and/or Motlop are available until he believes he can kick goals again.
Mind you, the twos are not looking that great at the moment. Power is great at working with the kids and developing them, but he isn't a great coach. He needs to be doing more development while a good coach gets our players going.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #64 –
Quote from: crashlander on
had to agree. To see the way Tom finished off was what I wanted. He can do this, he just has to believe he can.
H also seems to have the belief at the moment.
Everyone has seen the potential from TDK, everyone believes he can do it. He seems to be the only one who hasn't seen it. Year on year we keep waiting. Perhaps THIS is the year he finally gets it. Could be a good year for him and us if it is.
 

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Reply #65 –
I really think  that  everyone needs to rememeber who  Lewis Young is, he  is a  a backup and as a backup we need to have a little more faith in him, look where we would be without him?  think about that  get onboard and pump up his tyres a little , whilst he is down   a little support from all may prove to be a benefit . he wasnt picked up to be  the  main man.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #66 –
Interesting game!

I was always pretty confident that we would win, and we should have won by a bigger margin if we had kicked straight ... and Charlie didn't get a rush of blood.  The soft free kicks awarded inside Richmond's 50 didn't help but we got one back with the slightly generous 50m penalty put De Koning within range.

I'm not sure what Lewis Young has to do.  He kept Lynch quiet, went for his marks when that was the best option and killed the ball when it wasn't.  He distributed the ball well and 19 disposals at 94% is pretty good for a key defender.  McGovern, Newman and Kemp were very effective but Saad, Williams and Boyd let themselves down with some uncharacteristic shocking disposals.

Owies and Fantasia again had nights to forget but at least Owies made up for some poor kicking with two very nice goals.  Durdin looked lively when he came on but didn't really get into the game.  Fogarty, Cuningham and Cottrell were OK, if a little down.

Harry looks like he's owning the second ruck role and was again very impressive around the ground ... and his kicking for goal was all that you could ask for.  De Koning is really blossoming as our first ruck and Nank learnt that he can look after himself while taking the honours in ruck contests and impact around the ground.

We had quite a few players who didn't perform as well as they normally do, Cerra for one.  At the other end of the scale, Cripps was outstanding, McGovern not far behind, McKay was dominant, Hewett was good, Acres was his usual solid self, Carroll was promising and Saad was good if let down by some poor kicking; unusual for him.

That's eight points in the bank and victories over the premiership favourites and a team with a solid core of premiership players.

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #67 –
TDK is 24 y.o and about the age you expect big guys to go into Beast Mode and will be in Beast Mode for next eight years

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Reply #68 –
We 422nd our of 424 for the highest percentage at 2-0...lol.

Only Fitzroy 1943 and the Dogs 1951 have been lower at 101.9 and 101.4 respectively.

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Reply #69 –
Quote from: pinot on
TDK is 24 y.o and about the age you expect big guys to go into Beast Mode and will be in Beast Mode for next eight years


Speriamo (fingers and toes cross)
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #70 –
PS I saw SOS and Jo in a bar at the G on Friday. Good to see SOS at a Carlton game even though his son wasn't playing. He couldn't have been doing recon work as we don't play them until the last round. We were on the table next them and Junior G2C and I were trying to eaves drop on what they were talking about but couldn't here. They were with another bloke and Junior did hear him tell SOS something like "We all know she's the boss mate" to which Jo smiled.
So many nuffies were going up to him asking for a photo, he obliged to every one of them which was nice to see.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #71 –
Go back to around this time last year and read some of the comments regarding TDK.
They're often about his 'unrealised' potential...like "he hasn't really shown us what he is capable of yet"
He was probably second choice ruckman behind Pittonet at that stage.

Surely folks can see the improvement.
That's all we can ask....'improvement'.

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Reply #72 –
We had 4 rucks on the list this time last season. 2 raw and tagged with potential.  One developing nicely who is as much a forward who can ruck as a ruck than push forward, and one 24/7 meat and potatoes ruckman in pittonet who is solid but unspectacular and could easily disappear into anonymity.  Talk of de koning going last year was fanciful. 

Also he wad playing to his potential what people were moaning about was consistency. 

Charlie is a gun and whilst he showed signs early he wasn't really ready to take the scruff of the neck of games until a few years back.  Harry similar.  Only smalls are consistent early on, even then they don't develope consistency until they get continuity.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #73 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Everyone has seen the potential from TDK, everyone believes he can do it. He seems to be the only one who hasn't seen it. Year on year we keep waiting. Perhaps THIS is the year he finally gets it. Could be a good year for him and us if it is.

He is still improving and as many of us have have said on here he proves a big challenge for opposition as around the ground he is a very difficult match up and actually impacts the result like the very best rucks in the comp can do.
My concern is if he goes down we have very little to draw upon. Pitto is older slower and pretty much useless around the ground-will be a massive downgrade if that happens.
I would be in favour of maybe resting TDK for games against the bottom 4 teams to give his body extra time to recover.
TDK is as important as charlie and weitering imo to us going further this year. We need to look after him by resting him when suitable imo.

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Reply #74 –
Quote from: Smurfy on
I really think  that  everyone needs to rememeber who  Lewis Young is, he  is a  a backup and as a backup we need to have a little more faith in him, look where we would be without him?  think about that  get onboard and pump up his tyres a little , whilst he is down   a little support from all may prove to be a benefit . he wasnt picked up to be  the  main man.

Great post.

He is playing one if the hardest spots where every error is magnified and he is then labelled a dud.
A midfielder misses a handball or kick but then does something good the error is usually forgiven. Do the same in defence and many want them cut off the list.

Kemp makes mistakes too but has been solid and both kemp and young are playing massive roles and i think so far they have both been serviceable which is all you can ask with no generals like Weitering or doc assisting.