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Does anyone have access to advanced stats?

IIRC, early last season, Cripps and company dominated centre clearances and we took advantage of the 6/6/6 rule so that we could kick into an uncluttered forward line without being particularly precise.

Subsequently, we have not been as effective in centre clearances and have increasingly tried to move the ball forward without the ability to consistently find a teammate or even kick to advantage when the opposition has already flooded back.

I would like to see if my recollections are supported by statistics so I am wondering if anyone has or has access to statistics that show:
- a game-by-game breakdown of scoring from centre clearances compared to other means
- a game-by-game breakdown of any other stats connected to centre clearances, e.g. ruckman by ruckman / whether the centre clearances exited towards goal or towards the wing or flank / or anything of that kind

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Reply #1
This is a good post. I've also tried for a couple of years, but I can't find any way of getting them. Champion Data and journalists only throw out a few advanced stats here and there when they have a point to make. Unless you happen to be looking for the same thing at the same time as some article appears, you'd be hard pressed IMO.

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Reply #2
I completely concur with @RiverRat‍ , the strict Stand and 6/6/6 rule in combination gave our team of heavy bodied clearance specialist an edge, and now the changes and tweaks to the "rule interpretations" for 2023 we lost the advantages.

But personally, I had expected a better year than ever for BigH and Charlie, given the changes in the umpiring I expected more of the scragging and arm chop penalties to go the way of our Twin Coleman medallists, but in fact it seems to have hurt them!

Separately, tunnelling is back, on multiple occasions over the last few weeks we've seen Weiters, McGovern, BigH and Cripps all tunnelled in marking contests without penalty. What chance do we have?

Last weekend, BigH straight out punched in the back of the head by Moore, Moore's arm horizontal while BigH tries to mark arms up overhead, the umpire with a perfect side on view and no penalty. Filth fans were laughing about it, just horrendous umpiring! Yet they'll see and penalise the slightest tug of a jumper from 50m away!
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Reply #3
Not that advanced but we have dropped in Centre clearances this year.

Centre Clearances/Centre Clearance Differential
2023: 16th (10.6 pre game) / 13th (-0.6 per game)
2022: 7th (12.4 per game) / 6th (0.8 per game)



2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #4
One stat I noticed while looking up that was StKilda #1 and Carlton #2 for total marks and there was a bit of a gap to 3rd.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #5
One stat I noticed while looking up that was StKilda #1 and Carlton #2 for total marks and there was a bit of a gap to 3rd.
thats because we play a very heavy mark kick sideways style at the back before going the long bomb down the line to a contest.
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Reply #6
One stat I noticed while looking up that was StKilda #1 and Carlton #2 for total marks and there was a bit of a gap to 3rd.
Was their any breakdown between contested and non contested marks?......linking it into what Thry was talking about with plenty of sideways action before the long bomb...

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Reply #7
Was their any breakdown between contested and non contested marks?......linking it into what Thry was talking about with plenty of sideways action before the long bomb...
Just as long as you realise to be labelled a "contested mark" you only need an opponent in the immediate vicinity, just close enough to warrant a momentary glance.
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Reply #8
Just as long as you realise to be labelled a "contested mark" you only need an opponent in the immediate vicinity, just close enough to warrant a momentary glance.
We usually kick it 15m to some obscure part of the ground where the enemy have deemed it a waste of time to position any troops there due to the complete impossibility that we could generate a worthwhile attack from that position.

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Reply #9
Just as long as you realise to be labelled a "contested mark" you only need an opponent in the immediate vicinity, just close enough to warrant a momentary glance.

Which is not true. Not if you look at the stats anyway.
I know why you say it and where it comes from, but when there are so few documented contested marks per game, that definition doesn't ring true.

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Reply #10
Heraldsun has done an in depth AFL ratings of our players comparing 2022 and 2023. I will post later when I get on my laptop.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #11
Heraldsun has done an in depth AFL ratings of our players comparing 2022 and 2023. I will post later when I get on my laptop.

I'm guessing the 2023 number will be worse, which seems to confirm Jimbo's current theory that all recent coaches at Carlton suffer the 2nd year Blues.

There's an article from Jon Ralph published a couple of days ago. It is, to my reading, a scattergun, unfocussed piece, but the key takeaway is that we are not brilliant, not awful, just very very average.

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Reply #12
The problem is comparing all of 2022 to 2023
The comparison would be much more valid comparing the back half  of 2022 to the first half of 2023 to see how far, if at all, we've slipped this year.

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Reply #13
Not really answering RR's question but our team statistics are generally in the higher rankings:

3rd - Disposals
2nd - Kicks
7th - Handballs
2nd - Marks

14th - Goals
13th - Goal assists
13th - Inside 50s
9th - Tackles
9th - Clearances
9th - Rebound 50s

5th - Hitouts
5th - Contersted Possessions
4th - Uncontested Possessions
6th - Disposal Efficiency
1st - Contested Marks

7th - Marks Inside 50
6th - 1%ers
14th - Bounces
16th - Centre Clearances

8th - Stoppage Clearances
6th - Metres Gained
13th - Turnovers
6th - Intercept Possessions
15th - Tackles Inside 50


For a team that dominates possession and marks, contested and uncontested, our inside 50 tally is incredibly low.  Similarly, our clearance work is well down given the talent we have in the midfield and the dominance of our ruckman.

What really stands out for me are the low rebound 50s and bounce tallies - we're not breaking the lines - and our tackles inside 50 - we're wasting too many of our limited inside 50s.


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Reply #14
Should that 13th for turnovers be a red or a green, are they opposition turnovers or our turnovers?
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