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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #45 –
Some really good assessments already - especially from CRASH.

I was one of those who turned off in disgust at half time - first time I’ve ever done that in over 40 years. And not before firing off some keyboard warrior comments in other forums bagging our own. I was w-w-wrong.

Have watched the second half on replay. Definitely best win of the year. I just can’t stand St Kilda - got more joy from yesterday than from last week.

Am also perplexed by players receiving instructions on the phone when Voss is sitting right next to them. Is this is a newly implemented process? If so, keep doing!
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #46 –
Got out of my sick bed to watch this game and it cheered me up no end! Fingerbiting and frustrating for 3 quarters,  what a treat it ended up being. We showed the steel and determination we've all been craving for many a long year. I was definitely anxious about the inclusion of Dow and Fisher but both of them made good contributions,  especially Dow with his goal. I noticed he was part of the post match interview with Crippa who gave him a big wrap. Got the feeling Dow could hardly believe it.

My optimism grows! 😎
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #47 –
Quote from: LP on
Thought it was a very even team performance, probably Newman and Weiters were the standouts.

I thought Charlie was spectacular in the first quarter, best field kick of any AFL tall going around at the moment!


Not so sure on this 'evenness' Spotted One. It did come, but took something special to make it happen.

The first half was anything but an 'even' contribution. Weiters commented after the game that our first half was "...flat with our efforts..." We had plenty of blokes 'flat' in the first half with the predictable symptoms: mistakes in disposal and decision making. Have no doubts we could easily have fallen back into previous bad habits against the Aints, an all too familiar scenario. However, and proof of our meaningful progress...

Leadership.

Our leaders really stood up and showed the way. Newman, Docherty, Cripps, Acres & Weiters were excellent examples of true leadership in the 2nd half. Bona fide progress. And TDK's goal from nothing early in the 3rd was also a great tonic; spark. Lifted and gave optimism to his team mates. Our leaders showed the way on how to play 'our way.'

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #48 –
Not quite sure I understand the negativity around that win, or the first half in particular. St Kilda's pressure was off the charts. Ross Lyon teams are never easy to beat, never easy to score against. They've been in the top 8 since early in the year for a reason. That was a super win IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #49 –
I feel so safe when Docherty has the ball in his hands.
He is almost Doull like.
The new Iceman. (Bruce's other nickname, since the flying Doormat doesn't quite fit Doc)
2024... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #50 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Not quite sure I understand the negativity around that win, or the first half in particular. St Kilda's pressure was off the charts. Ross Lyon teams are never easy to beat, never easy to score against. They've been in the top 8 since early in the year for a reason. That was a super win IMO.

We are missing a third of our regular starters. Some people were questioning our depth early in the year but I think we have proven we have more depth than any side in the comp. Take the equivalent players of Cerra, Walsh, Z. Williams, Kennedy, McKay, McGovern and Silvagni out of any side and they might beat West Coast but that would be it.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #51 –
St.Kilda strikes me as a team that really believed they can beat Carlton. The formula is simple. Apply pressure and wait for Carlton to fold. This has been Plan A for playing Carlton for a while. St.Kilda came out and applied pressure and Carlton gave up three goals to midfield errors, Dow, Fisher and Docherty, missed a  couple of goals we should have kicked, Cottrall, and basically kicked long bombs to a two on one situation when going forward. However we didn't fold and we kept persisting and started using our spare in the midfield to attack through. Goals by Motlop, Dow, Owies and two by Acres came about because St.Kilda had two players on Curnow and we had a player spare elsewhere.  The question for other teams is what are they going to do when Plan A against Carlton doesn't work.
Others on this site are always bemoaning our depth and, always wanting to sack everyone and are quick to deride our players. We had seven or eight players unavailable who would be considered strongly for our best twenty-three yet we are playing the best football the club has played for over twenty years. Dow and Fisher were amongst the best. Winners win because they win. Losers lose because they lose. Carlton is starting to become a winner's team again at last.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #52 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
We are missing a third of our regular starters. Some people were questioning our depth early in the year but I think we have proven we have more depth than any side in the comp. Take the equivalent players of Cerra, Walsh, Z. Williams, Kennedy, McKay, McGovern and Silvagni out of any side and they might beat West Coast but that would be it.

Yes, I generally agree.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #53 –
Huge win given Saints were 5th on the ladder and always make it hard for us, and we were missing arguably 6 players from our best 22....almost as good and as important as last week against the Pies.

Newman was superb again and his form this season has been fantastic.

Acres continues to impress. I commented at the start of the season that he would be a big recruit for us and give us plenty of improvement. Some knocks on his kicking from time to time but yesterday he was one of the best in the first half when not much was going right and kept it up in the second half. He was getting the ball at every positon on the ground and the bigger body helps out without the likes of Walsh, Kennedy and Cerra not out there. The running goal to seal it was a brilliant individual effort.

Dow....his first half was riddled with the same panic disposals and dumb footy moments but to his credit, he stuck at it and was one of the reasons we lifted in the second half. Earned his spot.

Fisher...certainly his best game this year and one of the best he's played for us IMO. Like Acres, was good in the first half when we weren't playing that well.

TDK/Pitto were both non-existent in the first half but both lifted after half time. Marshall makes a habit of starring against us.

Great to win without a bag from Charlie too. We might need to get creative up forward next week against Melbourne as May and Lever will be double teaming Charlie from the opening bounce.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #54 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
We are missing a third of our regular starters. Some people were questioning our depth early in the year but I think we have proven we have more depth than any side in the comp. Take the equivalent players of Cerra, Walsh, Z. Williams, Kennedy, McKay, McGovern and Silvagni out of any side and they might beat West Coast but that would be it.

Spot On...and likely take Kempy out of the team now as well. It's getting beyond a pale.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #55 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Not quite sure I understand the negativity around that win, or the first half in particular. St Kilda's pressure was off the charts. Ross Lyon teams are never easy to beat, never easy to score against. They've been in the top 8 since early in the year for a reason. That was a super win IMO.

I think a lot of concern around the first half was related to our inability to handle the pressure that St Kilda brought.
It was error riddled.
Handballs to players under pressure, poor execution, miskicks, indecision... and we really weren't bringing our own pressure which has been a feature of our wins.

Lyon's planning was pretty good, just as an example, he was able to quote deatiled aspects of Curnow's season in his presser, so they sussed us out pretty thoroughly and his troops did the job pretty well for a half. Most things were working for them.
But it wasn't sustainable, and by the end of the game the St kilda players were shattered, beaten by an overwhelming force.
At that stage, the poor disposal and indecision disappeared because our players now had time and freedom and we looked much more like the team of the last six weeks.

Saints gave it their best shot...and it wasn't good enough, even against a depleted Carlton side.
They may struggle to get back from there.

I don't think there's a lot of negativity about the win, and especially the second half...but the first half we didn't cope as well as we have, and were in a bit of strife handling their pressure.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #56 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Was a good goal and he looked quicker than I have seen him before, hopefully the club dont feel the need to waste money on Jade Gresham given the form of our small forwards in recent weeks.

I'm not convinced that our "interest" in Gresham is anything more than a media beat up.  However, if that was an audition, I think that it's "no deal!"

Motlop has become a more complete footballer since his spell in the magoos.  He is taking the game on and making the most of his opportunities as well as doing the hard work.  He and Owies have different skillsets that, in combination, make life very difficult for the opposition defence.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #57 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
You were right on Dow GTC...Voss was going to sub him off until that goal went through

didn’t like that honest insight from Voss thought it wasn’t needed. What did that achieve other then make the kid who has struggled to see any faith shown from Voss being started as a sub countless times feel like he is still very much on the outer. He even cracked the joke they would rip the stands down if we subbed him so he couldn’t do it.

I would have preferred Voss to use that game to generate as much confidence for Dow from it as possible with no negatives but instead now feels like not much has changed.

Obvious Voss is still not a fan and Dow will be delisted at seasons end which as a depth mid on min contract I would be happy to retain him but don’t see it happening.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #58 –
Quote from: Lods on
I think a lot of concern around the first half was related to our inability to handle the pressure that St Kilda brought.
It was error riddled.
Handballs to players under pressure, poor execution, miskicks, indecision... and we really weren't bring our own pressure which has been a feature of our wins.

Lyon's planning was pretty good, just as an example, he was able to quote deatiled aspects of Curnow's season in his presser, so they sussed us out pretty thoroughly and his troops did the job pretty well for a half. Most things were working for them.
But it wasn't sustainable, and by the end of the game the St kilda players were shattered, beaten by an overwhelming force.
At that stage, the poor disposal and indecision disappeared because our players now had time and freedom and we looked much more like the team of the last six weeks.

Saints gave it their best shot...and it wasn't good enough, even against a depleted Carlton side.
They may struggle to get back from there.

I don't think there's a lot of negativity about the win, and especially the second half...but the first half we didn't cope as well as we have, and were in a bit of strife handling their pressure.

St Kilda's pressure in the first half was manic, as several of our players commented.  However, it was very pleasing that our players had confidence in their ability to overcome the Saints.

While Charlie was kept to one goal, his ability to win contests up the ground and hit targets inside 50 was vital.  I guess that's the role many folk thought he'd play.  It's also what makes the Charlie/Harry combination so difficult to combat.  They're both more than capable of playing up the ground or out of the goal square.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #59 –
Pity we can't make top 4. If we could, we would be some massive flag chance.