Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

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Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #30 – May 14, 2018, 06:13:16 pm

I find all of this stuff increasingly wearisome and tedious tbh. We seriously need to drain the swamp - it's a morass of petty rules and restrictions that we don't need. Just fodder for the media who are looking for sensation/scandal rather than producing some real sports journalism.

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #31 – May 14, 2018, 06:17:41 pm

This particular crackdown is starting to look a bit silly.

There's probably a dozen instances of umpire contact a round.
Trivial contact shouldn't even be an issue.
Common sense needs to come in to play.
If an umpire feels a line has been crossed report the player...otherwise, play on!

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #32 – May 14, 2018, 06:26:00 pm

I think the rule is pretty simple and transparent, and probably fair enough. If you deliberately touch the ump, however gently or daintily, you're in strife. And I agree. They're an official of the game, not a fellow player, and you can't be touching them - it breeds a certain lack of respect. It's like a student touching a teacher in my view.

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #33 – May 14, 2018, 06:29:32 pm

Quote from: PaulP on May 14, 2018, 06:26:00 pm

I think the rule is pretty simple and transparent, and probably fair enough. If you deliberately touch the ump, however gently or daintily, you're in strife. And I agree. They're an official of the game, not a fellow player, and you can't be touching them - it breeds a certain lack of respect. It's like a student touching a teacher in my view.

Folks are starting to post pics of incidental umpire contact.

It happens fairly regularly.
With the umpires in close on stoppages you're going to see it often.
There has to be a degree of common sense.

Looks like we're the target for this week.

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #34 – May 14, 2018, 06:39:35 pm

9 weeks?

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Reply #35 – May 14, 2018, 06:46:34 pm

Surely no weeks if May didn't get any

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #36 – May 14, 2018, 06:48:40 pm

Quote from: cookie2 on May 14, 2018, 06:13:16 pm

I find all of this stuff increasingly wearisome and tedious tbh. We seriously need to drain the swamp - it's a morass of petty rules and restrictions that we don't need. Just fodder for the media who are looking for sensation/scandal rather than producing some real sports journalism.

Agree

It’s like they can’t work out how to draw distinctions - it’s pretty clear to me what is contact which means nothing or is contact which is threatening, etc

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #37 – May 14, 2018, 06:59:49 pm

Quote from: dodge on May 14, 2018, 06:46:34 pm

Surely no weeks if May didn't get any

That would be the logical conclusion, if there were any logic involved here....

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #38 – May 14, 2018, 07:02:34 pm

Quote from: flyboy77 on May 14, 2018, 06:59:49 pm

That would be the logical conclusion, if there were any logic involved here....

There's not..... but it's probably worth the risk to challenge given our ladder position.
Worst case we get to play a couple of other players (maybe Kerr) for a few weeks

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #39 – May 14, 2018, 07:16:50 pm

Quote from: PaulP on May 14, 2018, 06:26:00 pm

I think the rule is pretty simple and transparent, and probably fair enough. If you deliberately touch the ump, however gently or daintily, you're in strife. And I agree. They're an official of the game, not a fellow player, and you can't be touching them - it breeds a certain lack of respect. It's like a student touching a teacher in my view.

x2.

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #40 – May 14, 2018, 07:27:21 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on May 14, 2018, 07:16:50 pm

x2.

Great saying "x2" but we've just seen - very clearly - with the May decision, that the rule is not clear and transparent.

Quite the opposite sadly.

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #41 – May 14, 2018, 07:40:19 pm

Quote from: Lods on May 14, 2018, 07:02:34 pm

There's not..... but it's probably worth the risk to challenge given our ladder position.
Worst case we get to play a couple of other players (maybe Kerr) for a few weeks

If nothing else, it's going to make the AFL look like total dumb ass amateur clowns - which they obviously are (allegedly)...

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #42 – May 14, 2018, 07:42:12 pm

Quote from: flyboy77 on May 14, 2018, 07:27:21 pm

Great saying "x2" but we've just seen - very clearly - with the May decision, that the rule is not clear and transparent.

Quite the opposite sadly.

Im suggesting its a fine as opposed to suspension. May was attempting the show the umpire what happened and made contact in doing so. Charlie almost tried to shield the ump from the scuffle. Eds one? Not sure. Still reckons its a fine.

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #43 – May 14, 2018, 07:47:00 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on May 14, 2018, 07:42:12 pm

Im suggesting its a fine as opposed to suspension. May was attempting the show the umpire what happened and made contact in doing so. Charlie almost tried to shield the ump from the scuffle. Eds one? Not sure. Still reckons its a fine.

A fine is a sensible outcome - but it's not an AFL strong point (being sensible).

I (arguably) know what May (and I agree with you) was trying to do but the impact on the umpire was 20x the impact from either of the Curnow touches....

Re: Blues Brothers trip to the tribunal

Reply #44 – May 14, 2018, 07:52:20 pm

Quote from: flyboy77 on May 14, 2018, 07:47:00 pm

A fine is a sensible outcome - but it's not an AFL strong point (being sensible).

I (arguably) know what May (and I agree with you) was trying to do but the impact on the umpire was 20x the impact from either of the Curnow touches....

We are in agreement here, but I think we are splitting hairs. I have watched them all and in all three cases, the umpire is moved back slightly by the contact. Lets see what happens.