So, there you have it. First victory of the year and its in NZ.
Slow start, but got it together and ran over the sainters.
Awful to watch, well most of it anyway.
Nice to come away with a win, we were expected to win this one but for a while, it looked like a disaster looming.
The lesson learnt out of today's game was PLAY THE YOUNG GUYS !!!!
Cripps was a sensation, Bell was a bull in the packs, Buckley was very good till injured and Boekhorst showed he may be a player. There are others to come in like Whiley etc so there is a future, just need get more players like them and in that age bracket into the playing list.
Young players will make some errors purely due to their inexperience but their zest & attack on the game is infectious and cannot be quelled !!
Awful to watch, well most of it anyway.
Nice to come away with a win, we were expected to win this one but for a while, it looked like a disaster looming.
The lesson learnt out of today's game was PLAY THE YOUNG GUYS !!!!
Cripps was a sensation, Bell was a bull in the packs, Buckley was very good till injured and Boekhorst showed he may be a player. There are others to come in like Whiley etc so there is a future, just need get more players like them and in that age bracket into the playing list.
Young players will make some errors purely due to their inexperience but their zest & attack on the game is infectious and cannot be quelled !!
What this guy said.
C'mon Kruddler, this win had nothing to do with Malthouse's coaching and more to do with the age and lack of experience of St Kilda.
Never said it did.
Just as i never said our losses where Micks fault.
All i'm saying is people were happy to bag out Mick and his gameplan and 'the house that mick built' ad nauseum throughout the first half. Do those same people who believe he was to blame for the first half think he is responsible for the turnaround in the 2nd?
They are all one-way. Bag him when something goes wrong. Silence when something goes right.
I'm not putting that win down to Mick. I'm putting it down to the players pulling their fingers out and doing what they are supposed to be doing every week. Of course it helped it was against the Saints, but put in the effort against any team and results will come.
We can not lose Henderson. As much as I like Gibbs, if one of the two needs to be traded at season end it would be him. I'd rather keep them both though.
good signs, and 4 points is 4 points, whether it's against the Dawks or the Saints.
But we are still crap, only the Saints are more so.
The lesson learnt out of today's game was PLAY THE YOUNG GUYS !!!!
No. Play the young guys when it is condusive to play them.
Injuries forced our hand somewhat, but it was the perfect time to play them.
If we play too many kids against the bigger bodied clubs, all that will happen is that our injury list will grow and some kids confidence will plummet.
Play them when you can. Today you could.
Had a 1pm, who turned it for us?
Can I question the playing of the game in NZ?
Play that game here at Launceston and you get a 20K crowd which is a sell out, because of the support of Carlton, small trip for Melbourne supporters. Not the embarrassment of a half empty stadium on a day that should be a jewel in the AFLs crown.
Time to look forward now and the big positive I got was from our young talent led by Cripps, who looks like a star in the making. As Lachie said after the game, we are a work in progress - a week to week proposition. I guess we just have to be patient. I hope that if we are trading out senior players that Lachie is not one of them for starters, but we'll have to wait and see.
Yet again I have to say that Bell is definitely getting better, IMO.
OK, "only playing the Saints" but the other great thing today was that the boys fought it out to the very end and were obviously well motivated, even if their skills were not always the top shelf.
Can I question the playing of the game in NZ?
You can question it, but i think its worth persisting with.
You don't think the crowd had something to do with the 2 teams playing and their recent form?
There were carlton folk who had tickets and were regretting having them!
Its good for the game to have a game in NZ. I'm happy to be a part of it.
Like a fine hemorrhoid cream that win brings relief.
Had a 1pm, who turned it for us?
Bell and Malthouse
I wasn't expecting us to go handball happy. I wonder if it will be a feature of our game now or will we revert back to kick at all costs?
It is great to get a win but that was sounding doubtful in the first half - I listened to SEN's coverage.
Apart from the win and the form of some of our young and not so young players, Simpson's hit on Newnes was one of the most pleasing aspects of the game. I hope other players take note and do the same to Murphy or Judd's tagger often and preferably earlier in the game.
It was good for Malthouse to get a win in his record breaking game!
If ever Watson was to be presented with a golden opportunity to force his way into the senior team then Jones & Casboult have given it to him.
Jones finished with 1.3 and Casboult 0.0 even though he had two set shots at goal. If Watson had as many kicks for goal as those two combined I'm reasonably sure he would convert well over 50% of them.
If Watson cannot do enough to earn a place in the seniors now, his papers will be stamped for the end of the season clearance !!
Bell and Malthouse
So when we play poorly it's Mick too? :P
Is this Micks best ever start to a season with catlton?
So when we play poorly it's Mick too? :P
Based on what everyone was saying in the in-game thread it was ONLY his fault.
:P
Is this Micks best ever start to a season with catlton?
Nope, I think we were 1-3 in 2013 too.
We won 3 in a row though to go 3-3.
Based on what everyone was saying in the in-game thread it was ONLY his fault.
:P
I agree he should take credit, I was just asking the question. :))
We are pretty fortunate that St. Kilda are crap.
It is an absolute travesty that we allowed their kids to continually rough us up, and barely coped with it.
Sheesh I know winning is no good for business but I was hoping to read a few comments on who played well.
Sheesh I know winning is no good for business but I was hoping to read a few comments on who played well.
From the SEN commentary and comments on here, Murph, Cripps and Bell would be up there.
I agree he should take credit, I was just asking the question. :))
See thats where i disagree. I think the players deserve the credit.
Mick does the prep every week. The players fail to implement it for a full game and drop off in intensity. The players kept that intensity up and if they continue to do so, Mick will be able to get more out of the players long term. When the players can't even put in (R1-3) then Micks hands are tied with what he can try and get them to do.
So, this is why i've been defending Mick so far, and not rolling out the red carpet now.
The players need to take more ownership over their own performances and careers! The sooner they turn that corner, the better off everyone will be.
Henderson and Murphy had 6 votes each
Cripps 4
Bell 2
If that helps.
Murph won the medal on count back.
Me and Krudds boy Cripper... Going to be beauty
Sheesh I know winning is no good for business but I was hoping to read a few comments on who played well.
Cripps, Henderson and Bell were great. I thought Murphy was average but better than the first 3 weeks.
Great news re Cripps then, and Murphy stood up.
Sheesh I know winning is no good for business but I was hoping to read a few comments on who played well.
Bell was an unlikely goal kicker who was rewarded for the effort he put in.
Hendo busted his gut and due to the fact he can actually kicked, had a say in the result.
Murphy and Cripps were good in the trenches with Cripps being good all over the ground, including taking a good grab in the forwardline.
There were plenty of solid contributors without being too many standouts.
I reckon Wood has been one of our best players over the past few weeks.
Had 10 clearances today and 39 hitouts. Along with 16 touches, he gives us more than we've got from any other ruckman in years. He also had 8 clearances last week!
What about Tuohy? I had him as our best at half time.
Cripps, Henderson and Bell were great. I thought Murphy was average but better than the first 3 weeks.
x2. Gibbs is so uninspiring right now playing like he feels he is going to be traded.
Cripps was the difference today !!
Good come back, lucky the Saints died in the ars3.
Thankfully we had Cripps, Henderson, Bell, Woods and Buckley lifting the team over the line.
How did Murphy win the medal.. simply not enough impact !
Gibbs is woeful and playing scarred.
Carrots is finished.
Curnow, what is he offering?
Cripps was the difference today !!
Good come back, lucky the Saints died in the ars3.
Thankfully we had Cripps, Henderson, Bell, Woods and Buckley lifting the team over the line.
How did Murphy win the medal.. simply not enough impact !
Gibbs is woeful and playing scarred.
Carrots is finished.
Curnow, what is he offering?
Did Murph win it, stuff me. I guess het gets given everything else.
As I said in the other thread, give Murphy a bit of credit... worked hard, got smashed repeatedly off the ball, stood up.
Hendo a class above his opponent, Bell finished well, Buckley showed a bit of zip.
Cripps fantastic... the signs are good, he can get the hard ball and he will only get better.
What about Tuohy? I had him as our best at half time.
Funny as Meddy43 said he was the worst on ground early on.
He was ok. His best piece of play was giving a don't argue from defence before running it forward to deliver to boekhorst who popped it over the top for hendo. I think you were still around for that.
Didn't do anything to demand BOG status in the 2nd half, but certainly didn't do anything to suggest WOG status either. Solid.
Dont have foxtel but had a radio so I cant comment other than
1. jamison being subbed was unusual If he wasnt injured
2. Put the old blokes out to pasture and play the kids...
Saints subbed McCartin and bought on Saad, we then took Jammo off.
Dont have foxtel but had a radio so I cant comment other than
1. jamison being subbed was unusual If he wasnt injured
1. It wasn't unusual. He was under an injury cloud prior to the game. His opponent was the one subbed out of the game. There was only 1 other key forward the saints had playing so it was either he or Rowe to be subbed out. It ended up being Jammo, who ended up icing his calf on the sidelines.
It may have actually been the turning point in the game - the subs - as it made them 1-dimensional and easy to stop. They probably would've been hoping we didn't sub out a tall so they could exploit us. It didn't work.
I'm tipping had they have subbed someone else out, Jammo wouldn't have been subbed...even if he was carrying a niggle.
That is probably one thing Malthouse does deserve credit for....choosing to sub Jammo out when he did.
Not sure why all the hate on Murph. I watched the game and he stuck his head over it all day. You dont get 24 contested pos out of 35 and have a poor game. It was a good Captains game.
Murph was better today but it was against St Kilda. Former no 1 pick almost 200 gamer and captain of your club I would be expecting that performance week in week out and against the top sides. I guess expectations have dropped that much....
I'm gonna call it, Cripps is gonna be a star if this competition. He is a deadset brute, as is Bell, both imposing figures. Bell's third quarter was superb, as was his second half in general.
I tell ya what, the treatment Murphy was copping from go to whoa behind play was like nothing I've ever seen.....and to his credit, he never flinched and never stopped, toughest game I've seen Murph play. Some of his 24 handballs were pretty awful to be honest, but overall I can't fault his game and thoroughly deserved B.O.G. honours. 10 kicks to 24 handballs is fairly lopsided ratio though, rumours at the ground today is that he's carrying a lower leg injury and that kind of ratio makes you wonder if it's true.
The first half was just plain ugly.....well, let's face it, most of the game was, but Hendo played his best game in over a season, I thought Wood was good, Curnow made up for last week's disaster, Simmo was typical Simmo, Docherty was solid and Tuohy played his best game of the year so far.
Liam Jones contests well, he really does to his credit, but geez he needs to get more of the footy and when does get the footy, he needs to hurt teams on the scoreboard a lot more than he does. Rowe made some howling mistakes too which is concerning, as his year has been horribly underwhelming and I'm over Casboult's kicking, I really am. Gibbs got better as the game progressed, but his 2015 form is nowhere his 2014 form.
40 points was a good margin though and I'll take that anyday of the week. The Carlton support at the ground was pretty good......quite a few more Saints seeing as they had all the prime seats and it was their home game, but we obviously had a lot more to be loud about in that 2nd half. Good to see Andy Lee there, sitting a few rows in front of us and he's genuinely hardcore with his barracking and just seems to be a cracking guy.
The wind whipping through the stadium was friggin' freezing and apparently that was their 'warm' wind!
Not sure why all the hate on Murph. I watched the game and he stuck his head over it all day. You dont get 24 contested pos out of 35 and have a poor game. It was a good Captains game.
Not sure too many are knocking his game, just didn't think he was THE bog.
Cripps vs Murphy
Pos 33 vs 34
CPs 23 vs 24
Mrk 4 vs 1
CMs 1 vs 0
Clr 8 vs 10
Tkl 11 vs 3
GAs 2 vs 0
Gls 1 vs 0
R50 1 vs 0
I50 2 vs 6
1%s 3 vs 1
Clg 2 vs 5
Murphy pretty much had him covered in every area.
Saints subbed McCartin and bought on Saad, we then took Jammo off.
Jamo had his calf heavily iced when he came off in the third, hence he was subbed.
...rumours at the ground today is that he's carrying a lower leg injury and that kind of ratio makes you wonder if it's true.
Its no rumour Brettie it was highlighted weeks ago. In the pre-game to the Weagles game. It's his knee that is giving him grief.
Apparently it has been for 12 months now. Gets it drained often.
Jamo had his calf heavily iced when he came off in the third, hence he was subbed.
What came first the calf or the sub?
How many players do you see getting iced after a game? This was Jamos 'after the game'.
Crowd was a tick over 12,000. Not sure what the expected crowd figure was supposed to be, don't think there were too many curious locals there to be honest. I don't see the point or benefits of playing a game over here, I'm assuming the Saints get some sort of financial kick-back, but other than that, the point of it all is lost on me.
What came first the calf or the sub?
How many players do you see getting iced after a game? This was Jamos 'after the game'.
Well he was limping heavily to the 3/4 time huddle, so make of that what you will.
All you coulld tell from Foxtel was that we used our sub after the saints... If Jamo was injured by then he was no use once McCartin went off.
Hardly noticed Jammo watching at home.
Murphy was good today
Cripps was at least his equal
One of our younger blokes led by example
As impressive as Cripps performance was to most folk, and his stats were very good....... it was the little things that he did, the effort he showed and his presence that impressed me the most.
Tackled hard, just pushed blokes who were in his way out of the way...and kept going.
This kid is going to be sensational....he'll have the odd 'down' day or two as he develops but in a year or two he'll be our best player and will dominate this competition.
....but I don't want to talk him up too much :D
40 points is 40 points but crikey St Kilda are bad.
Cripps looks a very good player in the making, we might have got at least one first round pick right since Yarran.
I've got a man crush on Tommy Bell to go with my Zach Tuohy crush, they're rippers those two.
Murphy was great, thoroughly deserved BOG.
Murphy was good today
Cripps was at least his equal
One of our younger blokes led by example
As impressive as Cripps performance was to most folk, and his stats were very good....... it was the little things that he did, the effort he showed and his presence that impressed me the most.
Tackled hard, just pushed blokes who were in his way out of the way...and kept going.
This kid is going to be sensational....he'll have the odd 'down' day or two as he develops but in a year or two he'll be our best player and will dominate this competition.
....but I don't want to talk him up too much :D
Mate, i was onto him well before the draft. At the time he was predicted to go between our 1st and 2nd pick. Thanks to a late charge he shot up the rankings and we nabbed him with our 1st pick.
I loved his size and work in close. Said he had the best hands/vision since Diesel....but in a bigger body.
...but i didn't wanna talk him up too much. ;)
Cripps= Diesel 2.0
Murph was better today but it was against St Kilda. Former no 1 pick almost 200 gamer and captain of your club I would be expecting that performance week in week out and against the top sides. I guess expectations have dropped that much....
Please... you expect him to be BOG every week? He has been an AA and won a B&F. You are carrying on like he is Jack Watts.
Worked hard, got a lot of contested ball, lead the team well. If you are that blinkered that you can't acknowledge a good game...
just saw highlights on internet....12,000 crowd is a porky...looks like 6-7000
@Kruddler
We need to keep a lid on it.
He'll have a bigger test next week
...but just at the moment do you think it will be three Bownlows or four ;D
@Kruddler
We need to keep a lid on it.
He'll have a bigger test next week
...but just at the moment do you think it will be three Bownlows or four ;D
You know the best part about him and the way he plays. He is not the type of guy you can tag and keep out of the game. He does his best work in tight and uses his bigger body to bash and crash to get the ball. He's not a shrinking violet who likes to receive the ball on the outside and can be easily shutdown.
Definitely 4. ;)
just saw highlights on internet....12,000 crowd is a porky...looks like 6-7000
Watching on tv it looked like the crowd got bigger as thr game went on.
Jobe said Cripps will be a star on the footy show the other night.
Please... you expect him to be BOG every week? He has been an AA and won a B&F. You are carrying on like he is Jack Watts.
Worked hard, got a lot of contested ball, lead the team well. If you are that blinkered that you can't acknowledge a good game...
I don't disagree with you. I thought he was great today, I just wish he did it more often and against better teams but I guess we all do. Massive game next week and that's where the test is for him.
Jobe said Cripps will be a star on the footy show the other night.
I was a little worried in rd 1 against the tigers but I really like what I am seeing now. Showed a bit of mongrel as well and for someone who has played a handful of games to be throwing his weight around is a good sign and potential captain material.
Not sure why all the hate on Murph. I watched the game and he stuck his head over it all day. You dont get 24 contested pos out of 35 and have a poor game. It was a good Captains game.
2nd best to Judd ever for contested football and he had 11 tackles to go with it. If that doesn't answer some questions than nothing ever will.
Mick and Murph's presser
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2015-04-25/postmatch-blues
Only seen the second half due to the time difference here. We aren't playing well enough at the moment to be sprightly at 3am.
Solid win, inflated by a few easy goals at the end, just what the team needed to boost a bit of morale.
As many have mentioned, best players were Murphy (who got smashed off the ball as far as i could tell), Cripps, Bell and Henderson. Wood played very well in the ruck and actually gets touches which we have lacked the past few years, and Armfield put in with some run. Boekhorst got to plenty of contests, even if he didn't have too much of an impact, but he looks a likely type.
Cripps looked great and is awfully strong over the footy. His bodywork in close is top notch. Bell is improving every game and is starting to return consistent football. He has taken a while but is becoming a solid player. His decision making is improving and as a result he is looking a much better player and kicks goals.
More handball in the middle seemed to help get some cleaner ball forward. Some of the kicking out of defence was a worry when the midfield did not provide options though, showing the middle needs to keep working on run and structure to allow the movement of the footy.
The not so goods are of course Casboult whose kicking is deteriorating (if that is possible) to a point where team mates will not kick to him. I think the club should seek a trade at year's end unless something clicks. Maybe a chat to Lindsey Thomas might help. In any case, a big forward that can't kick goals is not much use. Feel for the guy but he is a liability. Rowe seems to have lost all confidence and is not playing well at all. Ellard's skills are not up to scratch for a league player and Gibbs seems to be choosy when he gets involved, although it is hard to tell from the tv.
Good to see a win. Hopefully a couple of players come back next week and we can give the pies a good shake.
What this guy said.
What both these guys said.
They are all one-way. Bag him when something goes wrong. Silence when something goes right.
If all it takes to shut the doubters up is a win against extremely soft opposition with poor play all around, that should say plenty about just how bad we're travelling. ;)
Absolute must win today and that will take the focus off Mick's job and onto his record breaking game. Good for the boys to get a win, captain continues to improve and Cripps showed a bit otherwise a forgetful day.
If ever Watson was to be presented with a golden opportunity to force his way into the senior team then Jones & Casboult have given it to him.
Jones finished with 1.3 and Casboult 0.0 even though he had two set shots at goal. If Watson had as many kicks for goal as those two combined I'm reasonably sure he would convert well over 50% of them.
If Watson cannot do enough to earn a place in the seniors now, his papers will be stamped for the end of the season clearance !!
Casboult won't, he's the relief ruckman. That's his job right now and doing a decent job. Jones is the KP forward. Kicks at goal as well as Casboult. Casboult's taking a few marks and getting some touches.
Watson got 3 goals in disgusting conditions. He has to be a chance for next week.
Watson got 3 goals in disgusting conditions. He has to be a chance for next week.
For Jammo is a scary thought. Will need to send Hendo back to cover. Jones, Watson and Levi... Doesn't exactly instill fear.
I liked that we actually had some run in the second half and alot of numbers at the contest in the forward line. Keeps the pressure on the opposition defence and results in goals. From a god awful first half we outscored them by 66pts in after about 20 min into the 2nd qtr.
It's St.Kilda but you can only smack who they put in front of you.
For Jammo is a scary thought. Will need to send Hendo back to cover. Jones, Watson and Levi... Doesn't exactly instill fear.
Instills fear into us...lol
Jaksch will be back next week hopefully.
I don't disagree with you. I thought he was great today, I just wish he did it more often and against better teams but I guess we all do. Massive game next week and that's where the test is for him.
More often than not he is one of our better players. Plenty of others ahead of him in the "big test" queue for next week.
Just a point about stats and using them as comparisons.
One interesting stat I noticed last week was the time actually spent on the ground.
The longer you're out there, the more opportunity to accumulate statistics
Last week Cripps played 75% of the game.
I thought at the time he'd done pretty well with only 3/4 game time.
This week he was up to 81%
by contrast Murphy was on 84%
seems that most of the on-ballers are around that figure 80-85% figure.
As long as we see more of Cripps, Boekhorst, Whiley, Buckley, Jaksch etc... on top of recent additions of Menzel, Docherty, Graham, Everitt,, Byrne etc...means the rebuild is hopefully well on the way.
Just a point about stats and using them as comparisons.
One interesting stat I noticed last week was the time actually spent on the ground.
The longer you're out there, the more opportunity to accumulate statistics
Last week Cripps played 75% of the game.
I thought at the time he'd done pretty well with only 3/4 game time.
This week he was up to 81%
by contrast Murphy was on 84%
seems that most of the on-ballers are around that figure 80-85% figure.
Plus it's easier to get a kick in the midfield than say a forward pocket.
Not sure too many are knocking his game, just didn't think he was THE bog.
Cripps vs Murphy
Pos 33 vs 34
CPs 23 vs 24
Mrk 4 vs 1
CMs 1 vs 0
Clr 8 vs 10
Tkl 11 vs 3
GAs 2 vs 0
Gls 1 vs 0
R50 1 vs 0
I50 2 vs 6
1%s 3 vs 1
Clg 2 vs 5
Murphy pretty much had him covered in every area.
And I don't believe Cripps was tagged or belted from arsehole to breakfast time.
Henderson and Murphy had 6 votes each
Cripps 4
Bell 2
If that helps.
Murph won the medal on count back.
Me and Krudds boy Cripper... Going to be beauty
Spread out you two..I was first on the Cripps bandwagon and wanted him predraft :D.....like the way he handballs off because he knows his kicking isnt brilliant.
Bit of an ordinary game to watch and I felt the Saints tried to make its scrappy and drag us down to their level which is woeful....
Credit to Murphy he has been under pressure and lifted when required.....Bell did well with his four goals but we have seen it before and he needs to back up next week.
Boekhorst was handy on debut but its hard to get a handle on players form as it was such an ordinary game and the real test for some our newbies will be next week.
Jones and Cascoult were dissapointing , been on Touhys case this season but he was good last week and good again today...
Wood was ok but Longer was one of the Saints best and we need to get Kruezer back into the team to help Wood...
Take the 4 points and it must give some confidence for the Pies next week although they were good vs Essendon and will be hard work...
I would expect Cripps to be tagged heavily next week and some attempt made to rough him up...
Great to see a list with some genuinely exciting new talent
Add young guns Whiley, Menzel, Byrne to the team that played today + Kreuzer/Warnock, Judd, Yarran, Thomas & things don't look so bad. That's one third of the team.
Great to see a list with some genuinely exciting new talent
Add young guns Whiley, Menzel, Byrne to the team that played today + Kreuzer/Warnock, Judd, Yarran, Thomas & things don't look so bad. That's one third of the team.
+Jaksch
Not sure too many are knocking his game, just didn't think he was THE bog.
Cripps vs Murphy
Pos 33 vs 34
CPs 23 vs 24
Mrk 4 vs 1
CMs 1 vs 0
Clr 8 vs 10
Tkl 11 vs 3
GAs 2 vs 0
Gls 1 vs 0
R50 1 vs 0
I50 2 vs 6
1%s 3 vs 1
Clg 2 vs 5
Murphy pretty much had him covered in every area.
Reckon Cripps takes it IMO. One difference in the possessions and clearances, but look at those tackle stats. 11-3 is MASSIVE. I'm not knocking Murph by any means, it was a great return to form for him, but Cripps in my eyes was the stand out player on the field.
Great to see a list with some genuinely exciting new talent
Add young guns Whiley, Menzel, Byrne to the team that played today + Kreuzer/Warnock, Judd, Yarran, Thomas & things don't look so bad. That's one third of the team.
And that's why I disagree with the rebuild. Our list has deficiencies and we lack depth but we don't need to make wholesale changes.
Spread out you two..I was first on the Cripps bandwagon and wanted him predraft :D.....like the way he handballs off because he knows his kicking isnt brilliant.
Bit of an ordinary game to watch and I felt the Saints tried to make its scrappy and drag us down to their level which is woeful....
Credit to Murphy he has been under pressure and lifted when required.....Bell did well with his four goals but we have seen it before and he needs to back up next week.
Boekhorst was handy on debut but its hard to get a handle on players form as it was such an ordinary game and the real test for some our newbies will be next week.
Jones and Cascoult were dissapointing , been on Touhys case this season but he was good last week and good again today...
Wood was ok but Longer was one of the Saints best and we need to get Kruezer back into the team to help Wood...
Take the 4 points and it must give some confidence for the Pies next week although they were good vs Essendon and will be hard work...
I would expect Cripps to be tagged heavily next week and some attempt made to rough him up...
I like what we have recruited. Creates a good start in a rebuild.
Jones is as bad as Levi kicking at goal. At least Casboult's playing as a relief ruckman and getting marks and touches so doing a job. I don't want two actual ruckmen in the side, it tends to make both ineffective. Casboult plays the right role there. Jones is play KP and not giving us alot. I think Watson can take his place next week after a good game with the NBs today. For all his faults Bell generally contributes, a few ordinary disposals is made up for by his aggression around the ball and regularly hits the scoreboard.
Very happy with the 2nd half, lots of pressure and alot more run. Turned around 66pts.
Great to see a list with some genuinely exciting new talent
Add young guns Whiley, Menzel, Byrne to the team that played today + Kreuzer/Warnock, Judd, Yarran, Thomas & things don't look so bad. That's one third of the team.
+ Kreuzer, Warnock judd and daisey are not in our next premiership....
Jobe said Cripps will be a star on the footy show the other night.
i saw cripps tell gibbs to shepherd him...gibbs didn't and waited for cripps to hand pass it to him.....who is the doing the leading here?
+ Kreuzer, Warnock judd and daisey are not in our next premiership....
I agree with you about Judd, but I wouldn't be so sure about the other three.
+ Kreuzer, Warnock judd and daisey are not in our next premiership....
Why?
What are they doing in October?
Why?
What are they doing in October?
come on..warnock cant take a field mnark and is soft
kruezer is shot
so is daisey
judd is retiring
Spread out you two..I was first on the Cripps bandwagon and wanted him predraft :D.....like the way he handballs off because he knows his kicking isnt brilliant.
Bit of an ordinary game to watch and I felt the Saints tried to make its scrappy and drag us down to their level which is woeful....
Credit to Murphy he has been under pressure and lifted when required.....Bell did well with his four goals but we have seen it before and he needs to back up next week.
Boekhorst was handy on debut but its hard to get a handle on players form as it was such an ordinary game and the real test for some our newbies will be next week.
Jones and Cascoult were dissapointing , been on Touhys case this season but he was good last week and good again today...
Wood was ok but Longer was one of the Saints best and we need to get Kruezer back into the team to help Wood...
Take the 4 points and it must give some confidence for the Pies next week although they were good vs Essendon and will be hard work...
I would expect Cripps to be tagged heavily next week and some attempt made to rough him up...
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Agree about Cripps being tagged but Judd should be back next week working beside Murph so unlikely they will tag Cripps when the other 2 are in there.
I was impressed with him for that very reason. He didn't have a lot of support today but still managed to have standout game.
I wasn't convinced with him early on but I'm on the bandwagon now!
Never said it did.
Just as i never said our losses where Micks fault.
All i'm saying is people were happy to bag out Mick and his gameplan and 'the house that mick built' ad nauseum throughout the first half. Do those same people who believe he was to blame for the first half think he is responsible for the turnaround in the 2nd?
They are all one-way. Bag him when something goes wrong. Silence when something goes right.
I'm not putting that win down to Mick. I'm putting it down to the players pulling their fingers out and doing what they are supposed to be doing every week. Of course it helped it was against the Saints, but put in the effort against any team and results will come.
I disagree. There was a dramatic change in the way we used the football. Against Richmond we had 196 kicks and 129 handpasses, against West Coast it was 192 kicks and 128 handpasses, 200 kicks and 136 handpasses against Essendon and today it was 193 kicks and 182 handpasses. You can't tell me that the players all decided to handpass more today.
Clearly, Malthouse has realised that the kick at all costs approach results in too many turnovers and he has instructed the players to handpass more. I haven't seen the game yet but the radio commentary gave me the impression that our ball movement was better and was set up by creative handpassing.
Another marked difference from our previous three games is the fact that almost all of our goals were scored from directly in front and there were relatively few shots from the pockets.
The players may have controlled their arousal levels a little better but Malthouse definitely changed the way we played and he deserves credit for that.
Supercoach
Cripps 172!!!!!!
Bell 143
Murphy 123
+ Kreuzer, Warnock judd and daisey are not in our next premiership....
They build the bridge to take the side to the next step though. That's how sides develop and evolve.
@DJC potentially saints weren't able to cut off our close options like other teams are, leaving the handball option to players in better position open..... but maybe someone at the ground can comment more informatively
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Agree about Cripps being tagged but Judd should be back next week working beside Murph so unlikely they will tag Cripps when the other 2 are in there.
I was impressed with him for that very reason. He didn't have a lot of support today but still managed to have standout game.
I wasn't convinced with him early on but I'm on the bandwagon now!
Given the type of game he plays... Cripps would be a very hard player to tag.
@DJC potentially saints weren't able to cut off our close options like other teams are, leaving the handball option to players in better position open..... but maybe someone at the ground can comment more informatively
Possibly IOT but my impression from our other three games is that we didn't look for close options, by hand or foot.
Just watched the replay, Cripps was Bog.. By a fair margin.
And that's why I disagree with the rebuild. Our list has deficiencies and we lack depth but we don't need to make wholesale changes.
G. Healey today during the game suggested that we are already well into our rebuild.
They build the bridge to take the side to the next step though. That's how sides develop and evolve.
Take judd out the rest are building a bridge to the bottom...
King did another dissection of the list immediately after the game on Fox... they didn't even show the song... give us at least 5 mins of enjoyment you pricks!
King did another dissection of the list immediately after the game on Fox... they didn't even show the song... give us at least 5 mins of enjoyment you pricks!
Unlikely to get one from King. From Maclure, yes, and he would have played the song. :D
I bet he didn't mention the players we had unavailable either.
Btw - with the crowd, about 95% of the crowd was seated on the TV viewing side of the ground to make it look good on camera, as there were literally only a couple of hundred people on the opposite camera side of the ground. Smoke and mirrors!
Btw - with the crowd, about 95% of the crowd was seated on the TV viewing side of the ground to make it look good on camera, as there were literally only a couple of hundred people on the opposite camera side of the ground. Smoke and mirrors!
thats why I think it was 6-8,000 only
I disagree. There was a dramatic change in the way we used the football. Against Richmond we had 196 kicks and 129 handpasses, against West Coast it was 192 kicks and 128 handpasses, 200 kicks and 136 handpasses against Essendon and today it was 193 kicks and 182 handpasses. You can't tell me that the players all decided to handpass more today.
Clearly, Malthouse has realised that the kick at all costs approach results in too many turnovers and he has instructed the players to handpass more. I haven't seen the game yet but the radio commentary gave me the impression that our ball movement was better and was set up by creative handpassing.
Another marked difference from our previous three games is the fact that almost all of our goals were scored from directly in front and there were relatively few shots from the pockets.
The players may have controlled their arousal levels a little better but Malthouse definitely changed the way we played and he deserves credit for that.
Playing on a smaller ground means less space to kick too and more handballs result. There was always going to be more handballs especially since the numbers of stoppages skyrocketed as well.
Different ground + Different conditions = Different style of play.
Doubt you'll see the same handball:kick ratio next week back on the 'G. ;)
G. Healey today during the game suggested that we are already well into our rebuild.
There was a major rejuvenation of the list at the end of 2010 when ten players were moved on. 2012 was a bit of an aberration but we have continued to turn the list over and it seems that some of the changes may bear fruit. A little bit of fine tuning, and a couple of guns, and we'll be right up there. We don't need another massive clean out and to do so will see us go backwards.
G. Healey today during the game suggested that we are already well into our rebuild.
We have been rebuilding since the end of 2013
There was a major rejuvenation of the list at the end of 2010 when ten players were moved on. 2012 was a bit of an aberration but we have continued to turn the list over and it seems that some of the changes may bear fruit. A little bit of fine tuning, and a couple of guns, and we'll be right up there. We don't need another massive clean out and to do so will see us go backwards.
There's not much backwards to go in to :(
We have been rebuilding since the end of 2013
We've been doing exactly what we said we were doing - turning over the fringe players. if we're going to rebuild, that involves changing the core playing group - which isn't what we've been doing aside from the ones that walked out on us.
Btw - with the crowd, about 95% of the crowd was seated on the TV viewing side of the ground to make it look good on camera, as there were literally only a couple of hundred people on the opposite camera side of the ground. Smoke and mirrors!
To be fair, a lot of Kiwi's can't take their wives to sporting events.
They keep jumping the fence and eating the grass.
Playing on a smaller ground means less space to kick too and more handballs result. There was always going to be more handballs especially since the numbers of stoppages skyrocketed as well.
Different ground + Different conditions = Different style of play.
Doubt you'll see the same handball:kick ratio next week back on the 'G. ;)
Persuasive, but well off the mark.
For a start, we had around the same total kicks as in our three previous games but our handpassing increased by about 30%.
St Kilda must not have realised that the ground was smaller because they had their lowest number of handpasses for the season.
If Malthouse goes back to the kick at all costs approach, we'll cop an absolute flogging next week.
Cripps and Bell did very well in the second half. I haven't seen the first half yet. Henderson worked himself into the game.
Spread out you two..I was first on the Cripps bandwagon and wanted him predraft :D.....
I did a quick search and this is what i found.
Thank Freo for the big bodied mid craze.......I had Cripps at 30-50 but he will shorten up to inside 20 IMO because he is the aggressive running extractor that rivals a player like Mundy. I could see Malthouse wanting Cripps ....IMO his skills dont match up with pick 13 and like I said previously I see him as another Tom Bell type that really should be taken at 39/51 and that I would prefer a more skillful player at 13.
Pratty's man Jansen will probably be there at 51 and if I wanted the raw big bodied mid then I would be using that later pick to get him....
and i also found this...
I rate Emma Quayle more than most. When it comes to draft stuff especially.
I rate Cripps and i brought his name up a well before the buzz got started about the type of player we needed. I dismissed all chances of getting him as there were plenty rated ahead of him. He was rated in the pick 15-30 range. However, i was unaware that he was not in top nick at draft camp. My interests in him are increasing again as i think we need his type to compliment the players we have...and he'd be an upgrade on the likes of Bell/Robinson in terms of footy smarts.
IF we were to get our big bodied mid with our first pick, it opens up the door dramtically with who we can take from there. There will be plenty of tall KPPs available at our next 2 picks. Whether that is someone wanting a second chance Tippett/Thorpe or a kid with potential Fort/Hourigan/Gardiner/Marsh/Brown.
Not long to go now...
Your witness. :P
I did a quick search and this is what i found.
and i also found this...
Your witness. :P
Good get, you have had a rough patch with Hughes/Rodgers and now Mick all leaving you hung out to dry :D...I think I changed my mind on Cripps a couple of days before the actual draft but didnt rate him as highly earlier like you have cheekily pointed out because his kicking wasnt great.
I will pay your tenacity on this one and look forward to returning the favour ;D
2nd best to Judd ever for contested football and he had 11 tackles to go with it. If that doesn't answer some questions than nothing ever will.
Just a correction here, Murphy had 3 tackles with his 24 contested.
Cripps had 11 tackles with his 23 contested.
;)
Cripps could become anything and has huge potential. However his skills by foot are a real worry. How do we find so many guys that can't kick an egg. I though as a kid, that was the first thing you learned how to do.
Good get, you have had a rough patch with Hughes/Rodgers and now Mick all leaving you hung out to dry :D...I think I changed my mind on Cripps a couple of days before the actual draft but didnt rate him as highly earlier like you have cheekily pointed out because his kicking wasnt great.
I will pay your tenacity on this one and look forward to returning the favour ;D
You've had a rough patch with actually reading what i write. Instead you skim and assume you've got the gist of it. Your comments above are proof of that.
Better luck next time. ;)
Cripps could become anything and has huge potential. However his skills by foot are a real worry. How do we find so many guys that can't kick an egg. I though as a kid, that was the first thing you learned how to do.
What I like about my man Cripps..er sorry Kruds man Cripps :D is that he does play to his limitations much like Sam Mitchell did early and give the ball
off by hand more than attempting to kick the footy....Robbo and Bell were/are classic examples of players who should give off by hand more but dont and turn the footy over by foot...
As Cripps becomes a more experienced player like Mitchell i think he will kick the footy more and become and even better player..
Big test for him this week as I dont see the Pies ignoring him now he exposed good form.....Saints looked like they thought No Judd..you bewdy its going to be easy in the middle..
What I like about my man Cripps..er sorry Kruds man Cripps :D is that he does play to his limitations much like Sam Mitchell did early and give the ball
off by hand more than attempting to kick the footy....Robbo and Bell were/are classic examples of players who should give off by hand more but dont and turn the footy over by foot...
As Cripps becomes a more experienced player like Mitchell i think he will kick the footy more and become and even better player..
Big test for him this week as I dont see the Pies ignoring him now he exposed good form.....Saints looked like they thought No Judd..you bewdy its going to be easy in the middle..
I don't think the Pies would ignore him anyway. He had 35 against them in the pre-season i think. Kinda had a target on his back already.
I reckon they'll find it difficult to match up on him.
It won't be like tagging a mid where you block his run
Cripps will get right in the middle of things and extract.
Whoever they play on him will want to have a bit of strength about them.
....and if they pay him too much attention it will free up a few other blokes who can hurt them.
Just a correction here, Murphy had 3 tackles with his 24 contested.
Cripps had 11 tackles with his 23 contested.
;)
As mentioned previously, Murphy did his work with one guy continually up his lemon and another trying to poleaxe him.
Both excellent efforts, one under far more pressure.
I reckon they'll find it difficult to match up on him.
It won't be like tagging a mid where you block his run
Cripps will get right in the middle of things and extract.
Whoever they play on him will want to have a bit of strength about them.
....and if they pay him too much attention it will free up a few other blokes who can hurt them.
Moreover, Cripps hails from East Freo.
They can't spell 'soft' or 'backwards' down there. Hard as nails.
Something we lack.
I know the answer has been posted before but where's a link i can download or stream today's (and other) matches from please?
Cheers.
You've had a rough patch with actually reading what i write. Instead you skim and assume you've got the gist of it. Your comments above are proof of that.
Better luck next time. ;)
Hughes and Rodgers is a sore point isnt it. ;D....I never fail to get a bite when I dangle the line...you must have been smarting over our last exchange on Mick/Boekhorst
to go back through the vault to chase down that Cripps thread....that makes me feel comfortable in knowing I dont need luck in responding to your logic..
Cripps blew me away. His tackling was crush-tastic. And his ability to stand up in a tackle and find away of giving off the ball in heavy traffic was astonishing. Cripps was there for us when StKilda was ontop. He kept up in the game.
Murph was fantastic. He was smashed off the ball - as has been said here - but stood up, something he rarely does. About time.
Rowe is a liability this year. I would drop Bolt but give us something around the ground and is good in the ruck. But his kicking is embarrassing. Liam Jones tried hard, and should have kicked three, but like the Bolt, looses his bundle in front of goal.
Buckley's run was thrilling, even if he did stuff up a couple of times. Buckley playing allows them to play Yazz through the middle and up forward.
Loved Hendo, but he needs to do that more often. Same goes with Bell. Has the will, just needs to be more consistent and sort out his skills.
Gibbs - meh. Can't deal with pressure. Curnow got ontop of Stevens. Carrots is shot. Toooey continued his good form. Same with Docherty. Everitt mixes brilliance with some awful rubbish, but I like him in the team. Simmo was Simmo. Dicks reminded me of Laidler. Broky is Lucas but can tackle and has smarts.
Jamo must be injured. Thank God he played on Paddy. Ellard played one of his best games. Army murdered Savage and gave us run as well. Wood played his best game and actually looked like a ruckman.
Overall, plenty to like. We might even be able to put up a fight against the Scum.
Dicks, Carrots, Rowe out for Jaksch, Judd and Menzel next week.
In reality, though, if Menz and Judd are fit, they'll probably drop Dicks, Broky and maybe Ellard.
Cripps blew me away. His tackling was crush-tastic. And his ability to stand up in a tackle and find away of giving off the ball in heavy traffic was astonishing. Cripps was there for us when StKilda was ontop. He kept up in the game.
Murph was fantastic. He was smashed off the ball - as has been said here - but stood up, something he rarely does. About time.
Rowe is a liability this year. I would drop Bolt but give us something around the ground and is good in the ruck. But his kicking is embarrassing. Liam Jones tried hard, and should have kicked three, but like the Bolt, looses his bundle in front of goal.
Buckley's run was thrilling, even if he did stuff up a couple of times. Buckley playing allows them to play Yazz through the middle and up forward.
Loved Hendo, but he needs to do that more often. Same goes with Bell. Has the will, just needs to be more consistent and sort out his skills.
Gibbs - meh. Can't deal with pressure. Curnow got ontop of Stevens. Carrots is shot. Toooey continued his good form. Same with Docherty. Everitt mixes brilliance with some awful rubbish, but I like him in the team. Simmo was Simmo. Dicks reminded me of Laidler. Broky is Lucas but can tackle and has smarts.
Jamo must be injured. Thank God he played on Paddy. Ellard played one of his best games. Army murdered Savage and gave us run as well. Wood played his best game and actually looked like a ruckman.
Overall, plenty to like. We might even be able to put up a fight against the Scum.
Dicks, Carrots, Rowe out for Jaksch, Judd and Menzel next week.
In reality, though, if Menz and Judd are fit, they'll probably drop Dicks, Broky and maybe Ellard.
I'd keep Boekhorst in the team....thought he gave us some run and it will good education for him vs the Pies, was handy today without being great but I thought he looked
like he knew what he was doing but just needs game time to adjust to the speed of the game so he gives himself more time to use the footy better..
Funny as Meddy43 said he was the worst on ground early on.
He was ok. His best piece of play was giving a don't argue from defence before running it forward to deliver to boekhorst who popped it over the top for hendo. I think you were still around for that.
Didn't do anything to demand BOG status in the 2nd half, but certainly didn't do anything to suggest WOG status either. Solid.
I only saw the first qtr, watching the rest now, and I thought he had a lot of bad turn overs. Reluctant to kick and just offering up terrible handballs. Keen to see the rest of his game now.
I'd keep Boekhorst in the team....thought he gave us some run and it will good education for him vs the Pies, was handy today without being great but I thought he looked
like he knew what he was doing but just needs game time to adjust to the speed of the game so he gives himself more time to use the footy better..
Has a good footy brain. I agree give him some time to adjust and he will be a very good player.
The Good
Cripps, Simpson, Murphy, Everitt, Wood, Henderson, Buckley, Bell, Docherty, Armfield, Tuohy, Gibbs.
The Bad
Jones, Boekhorst (harsh for a first gamer), Ellard, Curnow, Dick (sub), Casboult
The Ugly
Carrazzo, Jamison, Rowe, Walker
The Good
Cripps, Simpson, Murphy, Everitt, Wood, Henderson, Buckley, Bell, Docherty, Armfield, Tuohy, Gibbs.
The Bad
Jones, Boekhorst (harsh for a first gamer), Ellard, Curnow, Dick (sub), Casboult
The Ugly
Carrazzo, Jamison, Rowe, Walker
Boekhorst in "The Bad" is rubbish. His debut was a hell of a lot better than Cripps' IMO. Yeah, he didn't get much of it but he had 4 inside 50s, and a couple of shots on goal. Definitely didn't make a fool of himself like Sam Rowe. Something to work with.
Boekhorst in "The Bad" is rubbish. His debut was a hell of a lot better than Cripps' IMO. Yeah, he didn't get much of it but he had 4 inside 50s, and a couple of shots on goal. Definitely didn't make a fool of himself like Sam Rowe. Something to work with.
Which is why I admitted it was "harsh". If he was a regular senior player you would call that performance bad, but we can all see that the kid has an upside based on today's performance.
The Good
Cripps, Simpson, Murphy, Everitt, Wood, Henderson, Buckley, Bell, Docherty, Armfield, Tuohy, Gibbs.
The Bad
Jones, Boekhorst (harsh for a first gamer), Ellard, Curnow, Dick (sub), Casboult
The Ugly
Carrazzo, Jamison, Rowe, Walker
Jack Steven's disposal average this year before yesterday's game was 27 possessions, Curnow kept him to just 16 and Stevens had little to no influence on the game. I'd say that's a 'good' for Curnow surely? Carrazzo as 'ugly' also very harsh imo. But we all see things differently......
Ellard was good.
Ellard was good.
Site whipping boy, will get no love unless he grows a foot.
Site whipping boy, will get no love unless he grows a foot.
Forward pocket is the hardest position to have an impact on the ground. You are worn like a glove and no one kicks the ball to you.
Forward pocket is the hardest position to have an impact on the ground. You are worn like a glove and no one kicks the ball to you.
You won't hear a bad word from me about Ellard. If some of our better talents cracked in like he does we would be a much better side.
I think he suffers a bit from comparisons with some of the more flashy goalkicking FP's we've had in the past.
He obviously performs the role the coaches want him to perform. That's why he keeps getting picked.
That's just it, he doesn't keep getting picked. He's usually on the outer and gets games when we have injured players or have lost all our other small forwards. Cracking in just isn't enough (and I think you'll find that drops away anyway). If you want the list to move forward we need to ditch these types pronto. Ditto Rowe, ditto White, ditto Armfield. Yes Armfield and Ellard's senior bodies may have got us over the line against the Aints but winning isn't as important as blooding the youth in a rebuilding phase. I would much rather see Graham and Watson getting a crack, otherwise we are just wasting time and contradicting the stance we have taken.
Yes you can call him site whipping boy, but after 8 years if you're not a regular player it is simply time to go, nothing is surer.
I also thought Carrots work as the link in the contest I the second half was really good.
His clean hands and composure was really good as a foil to the extraction of Cripps.
Until you have better players that bring the pressure that Ellard and Armfield bring then you have to play them otherwise we get slaughtered like we did in round 2.
Until you have better players that bring the pressure that Ellard and Armfield bring then you have to play them otherwise we get slaughtered like we did in round 2.
True. There's a balance and if too many young players are brought in at once it can be disastrous. Players like Ellard, Rowe etc. are transitional players who will be gone when we've developed or recruited better. We need them until then.
Until you have better players that bring the pressure that Ellard and Armfield bring then you have to play them otherwise we get slaughtered like we did in round 2.
Spot on.
We beat up on a team with 25 games average less experience and an average age 1y 8 mths younger. A wins a win, tick. We were expected to win and we did, another tick. But thats about it. Lets not get carried away, lets see if we can repeat that this week agains the filth.
We beat up on a team with 25 games average less experience and an average age 1y 8 mths younger. A wins a win, tick. We were expected to win and we did, another tick. But thats about it. Lets not get carried away, lets see if we can repeat that this week agains the filth.
Good call. Very scrappy affair. When a couple of kids inject some youthful exuberance, hopefully it has a positive effect on the psycy of the group. Coll are beatable. I think we will have a real crack at them
Good call. Very scrappy affair. When a couple of kids inject some youthful exuberance, hopefully it has a positive effect on the psycy of the group. Coll are beatable. I think we will have a real crack at them
If Cripps and Hendo repeat yesterdays performances, we win v The Filth. Its that simple.
If Cripps and Hendo repeat yesterdays performances, we win v The Filth. Its that simple.
I wouldn't think that would be enough.
Saints are crapful and ran out of gas in the last half.
We won't get that opportunity v the Pies.
We'd need everyone else to play much much better.
Even then I can't see us winning,
I wouldn't think that would be enough.
Saints are crapful and ran out of gas in the last half.
We won't get that opportunity v the Pies.
We'd need everyone else to play much much better.
Even then I can't see us winning,
Yes - hoping of course for a win, but I'll settle for a fiercely contested honorable loss.
Woohoo we won !!!
I'm not getting too excited though, some of the things I saw in the 1st half were really embarrassing still.
We don't handle pressure well, and we don't apply enough of it ourselves. IMO the best way to reduce the pressure on yourself, is to up the pressure on your opponent. I'm not sure our guys have figured that out yet.
Cripps is a ripper, he looked way better that Murph today in my eyes. Besides his extraction work, he can take a really good grab up forward. But what I liked the most about him was his response after his goal today. He let out an almighty roar, and then about 3 more as he ran back to the centre square. To me it demonstrated great motivation and leadership. Great to see from a young kid !!
I like that Boekhurst is there for his run, but he is not afraid to get involved around stoppages. He is not just an outside runner.
I love what Bell offers, and he was well rewarded yesterday. We all know his weaknesses but i think the positives outweigh the negatives for him.
Hendo, keep him forward, with better midfield intensity and delivery he will provide a good target. Heaven knows we need him as the other 2(Jones & Casboult), do not offer enough in the F50.
I wouldn't think that would be enough.
Saints are crapful and ran out of gas in the last half.
We won't get that opportunity v the Pies.
We'd need everyone else to play much much better.
Even then I can't see us winning,
My point was that if those two continue with yesterdays form, there will be a hell of a lot of other things going right for us also.
C Judd will be a fair addition to that side.
Did anyone else notice that Bell's disposal efficiency was 100% and that he made no critical errors? Of course, he also kicked 4 goals, had a hand in two others and threw his weight around.
That won't stop some folk calling for him to be dropped and/or traded ::)
Did anyone else notice that Bell's disposal efficiency was 100% and that he made no critical errors? Of course, he also kicked 4 goals, had a hand in two others and threw his weight around.
That won't stop some folk calling for him to be dropped and/or traded ::)
He had a great game.
Love to see Tommy start to use his bulk to protect Murph at the stoppages. Only needs a couple of impacts to teach blokes to lay off Murph.
Did anyone else notice that Bell's disposal efficiency was 100% and that he made no critical errors? Of course, he also kicked 4 goals, had a hand in two others and threw his weight around.
That won't stop some folk calling for him to be dropped and/or traded ::)
If he continues to do that certainly not, but that was the exception, not the rule.
I wouldn't think that would be enough.
Saints are crapful and ran out of gas in the last half.
We won't get that opportunity v the Pies.
We'd need everyone else to play much much better.
Even then I can't see us winning,
The win, as ugly as it may have been, might create some belief. Players run a bit harder, they're a bit more resilient, etc and you then never know what happens.
We'll probably get spanked but we can dream
If he continues to do that certainly not, but that was the exception, not the rule.
He was starting to show some good signs last year before he hurt his finger, If he get's a clear run at it this year I think we'll see him develop both in confidence and composure.
C Judd will be a fair addition to that side.
Good to have him back but I dont want Cripps, Bell etc having lesser roles than they did vs the Saints...they
need to get used to life without Judd and take on more responsibility like they did vs Stkilda...
The small crowd in the bowl shaped venue offers some advantages when assessing a group.
Can anyone who was at the game give me some feedback on the level of talk, particularly from the newer players like Boekhorst, Cripps, Jones and Bell?
The small crowd in the bowl shaped venue offers some advantages when assessing a group.
Can anyone who was at the game give me some feedback on the level of talk, particularly from the newer players like Boekhorst, Cripps, Jones and Bell?
Hendo, Armfield, Cripps, Simmo, Carrots all very vocal. In the first quarter you could hear lots of Aints players being vocal, our bunch were quiet. Gee Gibbs was soft in that first quarter. We were seated next to Kiwis who'd come along to enjoy the game, they had no allegiances. During the first quarter they were all commenting on how 'weak' no. 4 was. He really did squib it a number of times right in front of us.
Very poor marketing re our presence at the ground. I was amazed that walking to the ground and arriving at the ground, not one CFC flag/signage. Nothing to suggest we were playing. Fair enough it was an Aints home game, but fair suck of the sav. Mrs Baggers even commented how poor it was. I emailed the club offering to do what I could to drum up interest in the game via local media and Mrs Baggers was willing to get the organisation she works for (one of the biggest in Wellington) to have internal comps with tickets to the game as prizes... would have gotten at least another few hundred along... still waiting for a response. That was almost a month ago. The media promotion of the game was shizen. Little to no excitement created at all. Any wonder FA folks turned out to watch the game.
Great venue though with terrific visibility from just about anywhere... leaves Etihad for dead.
The strong swirly wind made it difficult for players, so if you were noticing lots of skill errors, especially early on (until they got used to it), it was probably due to the wind.
Jones doesn't work hard enough. I watched him a bit and he has lapses and goes missing. But when he does knuckle down he's good at he contest and pretty quick as well.
Armfield is more value than folks might realise. His ability to use his speed to get to contests / create contests is great.
And if there was 12,000 people there I will chew off my own legs. No more that about 7,000.
Hendo, Armfield, Cripps, Simmo, Carrots all very vocal. In the first quarter you could hear lots of Aints players being vocal, our bunch were quiet. Gee Gibbs was soft in that first quarter. We were seated next to Kiwis who'd come along to enjoy the game, they had no allegiances. During the first quarter they were all commenting on how 'weak' no. 4 was. He really did squib it a number of times right in front of us.
Very poor marketing re our presence at the ground. I was amazed that walking to the ground and arriving at the ground, not one CFC flag/signage. Nothing to suggest we were playing. Fair enough it was an Aints home game, but fair suck of the sav. Mrs Baggers even commented how poor it was. I emailed the club offering to do what I could to drum up interest in the game via local media and Mrs Baggers was willing to get the organisation she works for (one of the biggest in Wellington) to have internal comps with tickets to the game as prizes... would have gotten at least another few hundred along... still waiting for a response. That was almost a month ago. The media promotion of the game was shizen. Little to no excitement created at all. Any wonder FA folks turned out to watch the game.
Great venue though with terrific visibility from just about anywhere... leaves Etihad for dead.
The strong swirly wind made it difficult for players, so if you were noticing lots of skill errors, especially early on (until they got used to it), it was probably due to the wind.
Jones doesn't work hard enough. I watched him a bit and he has lapses and goes missing. But when he does knuckle down he's good at he contest and pretty quick as well.
Armfield is more value than folks might realise. His ability to use his speed to get to contests / create contests is great.
And if there was 12,000 people there I will chew off my own legs. No more that about 7,000.
Thanks Baggers, great to get a live perspective, so much better value than relying on TV and Radio.
Terrific to hear that Cripps is vocal, my Perth contact tells me Boekhorst will be the same once he settles in.
Not good to hear that our Captain wasn't among those eing vocal.
He led by example with a good game and plenty of contested ball winning, but he seems to be from the Judd school of Captaining rather than the Jono Brown school.
i was there to good venue easy access but that wind was cold. At the game once saints tired we got on top (young side),against coll we have to stop there run out of our fwd line we have to pressure there defenders .
Not good to hear that our Captain wasn't among those eing vocal.
He led by example with a good game and plenty of contested ball winning, but he seems to be from the Judd school of Captaining rather than the Jono Brown school.
Not that he wasn't Dommi, just not hugely so. Don't worry, he had plenty to say out there. Just that Hendo, Armfield and Simmo really strike you as being the vocal generals.
Until you have better players that bring the pressure that Ellard and Armfield bring then you have to play them otherwise we get slaughtered like we did in round 2.
That's what i've been saying. Part of Mick and changing the culture is getting players to play with heart and selflessness. Thats the reason Ellard was kept instead of McLean. Thats the reason blokes like Army still get a game.
Once we get our prettyboys playing like those blokes, they will no longer be required.
Did anyone else notice that Bell's disposal efficiency was 100% and that he made no critical errors? Of course, he also kicked 4 goals, had a hand in two others and threw his weight around.
That won't stop some folk calling for him to be dropped and/or traded ::)
Mate, if he played like that every week, he'd win the brownlow.
As carrots said, thats the exception, not the rule.
Mate, if he played like that every week, he'd win the brownlow.
As carrots said, thats the exception, not the rule.
Not if Henderson, Murphy and Cripps play like they did too :)
I think we focus too much on negatives, hence my post to even the ledger. I guess that's the nature of supporters' discussion groups.
Not if Henderson, Murphy and Cripps play like they did too :)
I think we focus too much on negatives, hence my post to even the ledger. I guess that's the nature of supporters' discussion groups.
...and you guys wonder why i stick up for Mick.
...and you guys wonder why i stick up for Mick.
Lost cause Kruddler ;)
I certainly agree that Malthouse should be given credit where it's due and he had a very good weekend in the coaching box and in his press conference. Baggers said that he spoke well when he addressed the crowd and that's another tick. Hopefully, he will back up next weekend.