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Title: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: crashlander on June 15, 2015, 10:15:44 am
We play another Saturday afternoon game and we are not on TV: I guess we had best get used to having a smaller TV profile with our results this year. 1:40 start at the MCG: a token to have had Port Adelaide play on the MCG before the finals come around.

Our first game in the Post Judd Era: it will be interesting to see if we can produce the same intensity as we did against Adelaide, We could be a chance.

WE should get a few guys back: Jamo, Gibbs, Byrne, to mention a few. Should we bring them straight back in, or make only a few changes? There are good reasons to return them slowly. After all, the week afterwards we play Gold Coast at Etihad and GC barely have an effective playing list. Then again, they might be getting some guys back as well.

Do we want to win badly enough to select the team that can do it? After all, from now on, losing is winning at the draft table.
Personally, I REALLY want to develop a winning culture and a winning game plan, some of the unfulfilled promise of the Malthouse Administration. But are we going to get it?

To look at form, Port should kill us. However, they are only a shadow of what they were last year and teams have managed to work them out a bit. Have we managed to work them out? Do we have the game plan or the cattle to do the job?

Say tune to Saturday's game to get the answers to these and other vital questions!
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Baggers on June 15, 2015, 10:19:39 am
Yarran should also return.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Professer E on June 15, 2015, 10:38:09 am
Crash, if you reckon our profile is low, just wait until 2016, it will be like we don't exist.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Lods on June 15, 2015, 10:43:45 am
There's a little bit of a buzz around the place at the moment after an improved effort last week.
Important we don't suffer from a severe case of "buzz kill".

They will be looking to get their season back on track.

If we can keep them to a fairly even contest we'll have done OK.
Small steps.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: crashlander on June 15, 2015, 11:19:26 am
Crash, if you reckon our profile is low, just wait until 2016, it will be like we don't exist.
We'll probably deserve it if our performances continue as they did under Malthouse this year.
However, if we look like we are heading in the right direction, we may be able to keep a reasonable portion of our coverage.

One of the side effects, the unintended consequences of our form, is that we will probably get more travelling. That may do something for our interstate supporters.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: cookie2 on June 15, 2015, 11:41:40 am
I will be going along again this week. I expect Port will come out and hit us with everything. It will be crucial for us not to get blown away in the first quarter and to stay steady. That way we might hang in with some hope. Our senior players will be vital to keep the guys focused - let's hope they come to play.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: PaulP on June 15, 2015, 11:44:12 am
Barrett and Lyon reckon Port have been worked out - don't give them the corridor and they struggle.

Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: mina1 on June 15, 2015, 02:26:34 pm
lets get revenge for that hiding they gave us and completely runied there year,so simple stop there run and force them kick long .(i hope)
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: rocky on June 15, 2015, 02:44:56 pm
Port have way too much to play for after last Friday nights disaster. They couldn't have hoped for a better match-up than to play us. They actually weren't that bad against Geelong but the cats pulled one out of the history books. Not sure they can continue that form.
Our boys now seem to give a fark and hopefully that will continue on this Saturday but I suspect we'll still go down by 10+ goals.
Yarran to return
If fit all of Gibbs, Jamison AND Thomas.

Probably look to give Armfield and Carazzo a rest. Neither of which will probably be around next year. Tutt and Menzel also but not for the same reason.
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I'd love the club to play Byrne, but there's no dounbt he'll come back through the magoos.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Baggers on June 15, 2015, 04:36:47 pm
There's a little bit of a buzz around the place at the moment after an improved effort last week.
Important we don't suffer from a severe case of "buzz kill".

They will be looking to get their season back on track.

If we can keep them to a fairly even contest we'll have done OK.
Small steps.

How I read it too. Bit of talent returning which will help. Like to see us win, and of course we're a chance, but if we lose as long as it is a strongly competitive effort and the final margin is less than 3 goals. If we win, a blowout would be okay  ;D :))
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 15, 2015, 05:29:46 pm
I think with those strong ins we can win this one. Just can't wait to see Murph rip in hard again after last week. I will be working until 3 so I guess I'll just get the second half.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: cimm1979 on June 15, 2015, 06:03:26 pm
Barrett and Lyon reckon Port have been worked out - don't give them the corridor and they struggle.

Make of that what you will.

They said that about Geelong as well a couple of weeks back when the WCE took them apart.

I never reckon it's that's simple against the good sides, they rarely "give" you anything you want, you have to take it.

When Port were running, really running, both ways, they took what they wanted.

They can't sustain it like last year, it's all a bit hard, particularly the second halves. They thought they could rock up and do what they did last year, but that's not enough, you have to improve EVERY YEAR.

.........and their drop off in work is exposing the fact that they have some ordinary footballers in that side.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Mantis on June 15, 2015, 08:49:10 pm
We are likely to play Port back into form. I don't see us losing by more than a few goals. Surely we will show enough ticker to make this game a contest. The games won't get any easier this season without Judd. We will see what he was worth during the next few games.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: kruddler on June 15, 2015, 09:01:39 pm
I think with those strong ins we can win this one. Just can't wait to see Murph rip in hard again after last week. I will be working until 3 so I guess I'll just get the second half.

That's where foxtel IQ is gold!
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Professer E on June 17, 2015, 09:29:48 am
Its not enough to beat Carlton, we're seen as a percentage booster.  I expect to be flogged.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: bratblue on June 17, 2015, 06:50:23 pm
  I expect to be flogged.

 ;D
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Lods on June 18, 2015, 06:27:17 pm
Yarran and Gibbs -in
Tutt and  Judd -out

Ellard, Tutt, Jaksch are the emergencies
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 18, 2015, 07:46:35 pm
Yarran and Gibbs -in
Tutt and  Judd -out

Ellard, Tutt, Jaksch are the emergencies

Great ins. We have a good side out there. Really looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: crashlander on June 18, 2015, 07:53:43 pm
Carlton

B: Zach Tuohy, Simon White, Sam Rowe.
HB: Dylan Buckley, Chris Yarran, Sam Docherty.
C: Ed Curnow, Andrew Carrazzo, Kade Simpson.
HF: Dennis Armfield, Lachie Henderson, Troy Menzel.
F: Matthew Kreuzer, Levi Casboult, Andrejs Everitt.
Foll: Cameron Wood, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy.
Int: Tom Bell, Bryce Gibbs, Nick Graham, Andrew Walker.

Emg: David Ellard, Jason Tutt, Kristian Jaksch.

In: Chris Yarran, Bryce Gibbs.

Out: Jason Tutt (Omitted), Chris Judd (Retired)
 
Port Adelaide

B: Jack Hombsch, Alipate Carlile, Jarman Impey.
HB: Jackson Trengove, Tom Jonas, Jasper Pittard.
C: Sam Colquhoun, Matthew Broadbent, Brad Ebert.
HF: Robbie Gray, Justin Westhoff, Chad Wingard.
F: Travis Boak, Jay Schulz, Angus Monfries.
Fol: Matthew Lobbe, Hamish Hartlett, Ollie Wines.
Int: Kane Mitchell, Andrew Moore, Brendon Ah Chee, Nathan Krakouer.

Emg: Cam O'Shea, Tom Clurey, Sam Gray.

In:  Jackson Trengove, Kane Mitchell, Andrew Moore, Brendon Ah Chee, Nathan Krakouer.

Out: Tom Clurey (Omitted), Matt White (Hamstring), Sam Gray (Omitted), Aaron Young (Omitted), Paul Stewart (Hamstring)

This is our best lineup?
 
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 18, 2015, 08:06:29 pm
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CARLTON interim coach John Barker has issued his players with a “licence to take the game on”, according to midfielder Dennis Armfield.

The Blues have showed some seriously competitive signs since Barker took the reins in the wake of Mick Malthouse’s sacking last month, taking it to Sydney and Adelaide before last weekend’s bye.

And while Armfield insists the team’s freedom wasn’t stifled under Malthouse, he says there’s a different feeling among the group.

“We’ve definitely been given a licence to take the game on a bit more,” he told RSN today.

“We’re not going to be punished for mistakes. We’ve still got to improve on our skills and our kicks, which we can improve on through the second half of the year, but there’s been a definite licence to take the game on and play to your natural instincts.

“That’s what we’re good at so hopefully we can do that.

“It definitely wasn’t stifled (under Malthouse), it’s just that Mick had a different game plan and we played to that. Mick still encouraged us to take the game on — it was just a different strategy and a different way about it.”

The Blues fell just nine points short of the Crows in Round 10, and Armfield is hopeful they can build on that momentum against Port Adelaide on Saturday.

“We were disappointed in the loss against Adelaide, but it’s a step in the right direction,” he said.

“We’ve just focused on being more competitive in games and that’s where we turned the corner in that last quarter against Sydney (in Round 9).

“It’s just crucial that we continue that after the bye against Port Adelaide this week.”
Armfield also says he was as shocked as anyone else at Tuesday’s news that star midfielder Dale Thomas will miss the rest of the season following a shoulder reconstruction.

“I was just as shocked as most of the public — I thought he was close to coming back after the bye,” he said.

“The shoulder was just a bit too much for him.”

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-john-barker-gives-blues-licence-to-take-the-game-on-dennis-armfield-says/story-fndv8f7j-1227403829764

Interesting comments in bold.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Brettie on June 19, 2015, 10:09:25 am
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-john-barker-gives-blues-licence-to-take-the-game-on-dennis-armfield-says/story-fndv8f7j-1227403829764

Interesting comments in bold.

Agree - very interesting, speaks volumes about the failure of old-school coaches doesn't it? When does playing scared ever work?
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: cookie2 on June 19, 2015, 10:15:19 am
Will definitely be there with a sneaky feeling there may just be an upset. Fingers crossed anyway. A win would be a massive boost for us. We must make sure we nail all chances for starters - that'll put us in with a hope at least.

The selected team looks very good, pity that Jamo's not quite ready but is playing for the NBs, so maybe next week.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 19, 2015, 10:27:47 am
Reckon we are a chance in this game and will run Port close.......two good ins and Port look unsettled...
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: cimm1979 on June 19, 2015, 11:08:20 am
Belief is a wonderful thing.

Not sure if we have enough but it's pretty obvious Port have lost a bit.

I still think the we will get done .
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: madbluboy on June 19, 2015, 11:14:56 am
Port by 72 points.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: crashlander on June 19, 2015, 01:05:10 pm
Reckon we are a chance in this game and will run Port close.......two good ins and Port look unsettled...
I agree. Our recent form has been on the improve and we have 2 of the better ins that we could get.
I am not sure we can win it, we do still have some structural issues, but I am heartened by our recent improvements.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: LP on June 19, 2015, 01:33:41 pm
I agree. Our recent form has been on the improve and we have 2 of the better ins that we could get.
I am not sure we can win it, we do still have some structural issues, but I am heartened by our recent improvements.

Agreed, Port have been unstable and despite not winning many of the stats look on the up for us and for Port many are on the slide.

We are due and I think we are a very good chance if the weather is dry, the best performer of the Menzel versus Wingard comparison might determine the outcome!

For some reason I can't pin-point this team looks better to me despite the loss of Judd, if Jammo was back I'd be outright confident but Schultz and Westhoff are a concern.

One thing is for sure, the 22 out there for Carlton know there is no longer Judd The Saviour returning to the squad in coming weeks, they better perform they are playing for their careers!
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Thryleon on June 19, 2015, 02:53:02 pm
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-john-barker-gives-blues-licence-to-take-the-game-on-dennis-armfield-says/story-fndv8f7j-1227403829764

Quote
CARLTON interim coach John Barker has issued his players with a “licence to take the game on”, according to midfielder Dennis Armfield.

The Blues have showed some seriously competitive signs since Barker took the reins in the wake of Mick Malthouse’s sacking last month, taking it to Sydney and Adelaide before last weekend’s bye.

And while Armfield insists the team’s freedom wasn’t stifled under Malthouse, he says there’s a different feeling among the group.

“We’ve definitely been given a licence to take the game on a bit more,” he told RSN today.

“We’re not going to be punished for mistakes. We’ve still got to improve on our skills and our kicks, which we can improve on through the second half of the year, but there’s been a definite licence to take the game on and play to your natural instincts.

“That’s what we’re good at so hopefully we can do that.

“It definitely wasn’t stifled (under Malthouse), it’s just that Mick had a different game plan and we played to that. Mick still encouraged us to take the game on — it was just a different strategy and a different way about it.”

The Blues fell just nine points short of the Crows in Round 10, and Armfield is hopeful they can build on that momentum against Port Adelaide on Saturday.

“We were disappointed in the loss against Adelaide, but it’s a step in the right direction,” he said.

“We’ve just focused on being more competitive in games and that’s where we turned the corner in that last quarter against Sydney (in Round 9).

“It’s just crucial that we continue that after the bye against Port Adelaide this week.”

Armfield also says he was as shocked as anyone else at Tuesday’s news that star midfielder Dale Thomas will miss the rest of the season following a shoulder reconstruction.

“I was just as shocked as most of the public — I thought he was close to coming back after the bye,” he said.

“The shoulder was just a bit too much for him.”

LOL, we can quote snippets to show whatever we like.  Fact is, that taking the game on generally hasnt been a flag winning methodology for many teams, and contested footy wins flags.

Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 19, 2015, 03:11:20 pm
No need to get all defensive. :)

Regardless, 'We’re not going to be punished for mistakes' is a pretty damning statement that gives us some sort of insight into what was going on at our club under Mick. Thank fork he is gone. You're going to have to deal with getting it horribly wrong mate, we've all been there before. ;)
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: ItsOurTime on June 19, 2015, 03:33:07 pm
Yup, once sentence explains a bunch.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: DJC on June 19, 2015, 04:04:34 pm
Yup, once sentence explains a bunch.

Sure does!

As PI2C eloquently put it, "Thank fork he's gone."

I'm a long way off (Coral Bay) and haven't seen, heard or read much footy news but I'm struck by the comparison with the Bulldogs enjoying having the shackles taken off.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Mantis on June 19, 2015, 08:45:22 pm
If we continue to play as we did last game we will at least be competitive and have a chance. It should help the players build on their individual confidence. Belief is a funny thing. ;)

I doubt we will win, but would like to see a contest. As long as we run hard both ways. Tackle hard and support each other. Not asking for the impossible.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: cookie2 on June 19, 2015, 09:18:45 pm
If we continue to play as we did last game we will at least be competitive and have a chance. It should help the players build on their individual confidence. Belief is a funny thing. ;)

I doubt we will win, but would like to see a contest. As long as we run hard both ways. Tackle hard and support each other. Not asking for the impossible.

Yep, agree with this. If we can hang in, be competitive, do the 1 percenters then fortune may just smile on us. What's that saying, ' fortune favours the brave" ?
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: blue4life on June 19, 2015, 09:32:10 pm
Where's Jamison?
Gibbs and Yarran are good ins but we won't win many with White and Rowe as our two key backs.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Thryleon on June 19, 2015, 09:47:22 pm
No need to get all defensive. :)

Regardless, 'We’re not going to be punished for mistakes' is a pretty damning statement that gives us some sort of insight into what was going on at our club under Mick. Thank fork he is gone. You're going to have to deal with getting it horribly wrong mate, we've all been there before. ;)

I'm not getting defensive, just pointing out that the article tells more than one story.

The line you have quoted here tells a story.  What mistakes is Army talking about here? What do they consider punishment?

The next few lines also provide us with some insight into Army's truth telling in this article, which means that we cant really trust anything he has stated and can only take it at best as a nothing article:

"Armfield also says he was as shocked as anyone else at Tuesday’s news that star midfielder Dale Thomas will miss the rest of the season following a shoulder reconstruction.

“I was just as shocked as most of the public — I thought he was close to coming back after the bye,” he said.

“The shoulder was just a bit too much for him.”

Dead set having a lend he is.  Blind Freddie could see that coming, and no one is convinced that the shoulder is the reason he isn't back given he went down with a toe injury.

Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: LP on June 19, 2015, 11:12:31 pm
Where's Jamison?
Gibbs and Yarran are good ins but we won't win many with White and Rowe as our two key backs.

Maybe that's the whole idea! ;)
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Robblues on June 20, 2015, 08:23:19 am
Yes where is Jamo at , any one with any info , this injury is certainly dragging on unfortunately?
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: MosquitoFleet on June 20, 2015, 09:19:54 am
Yes where is Jamo at , any one with any info , this injury is certainly dragging on unfortunately?

sitting nicely on the sidelines with his fat 3 year deal to go....
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Thryleon on June 20, 2015, 09:51:50 am
Yes where is Jamo at , any one with any info , this injury is certainly dragging on unfortunately?
named in the VFL this week.  Hopefully he is helping Jaksch development there rather than playing seniors.

Was in the coaches box against Geelong a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Robblues on June 20, 2015, 10:09:07 am
sitting nicely on the sidelines with his fat 3 year deal to go....
Nice if you get away with it, any idea when he might be back, any inside scoops?
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: cimm1979 on June 20, 2015, 10:13:17 am
Yes where is Jamo at , any one with any info , this injury is certainly dragging on unfortunately?

Coming back via the Magoos
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Robblues on June 20, 2015, 10:38:22 am
Ok cheers CIMM, just checked out the NB side pretty strong on paper hope it can transfer to on field
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: blue4life on June 20, 2015, 11:01:10 am
Dead set having a lend he is.  Blind Freddie could see that coming, and no one is convinced that the shoulder is the reason he isn't back given he went down with a toe injury.

Thomas is one we'll just have to put down to yet another bad recruiting decision and hope we can get some decent football out of him in the next few years, he didn't cost us pick 7 like Jaksch did or pick 11 like McLean, and at least we know that Thomas even at 80% is still a bloody good footballer.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: Baggers on June 20, 2015, 11:05:11 am
Thomas is one we'll just have to put down to yet another bad recruiting decision and hope we can get some decent football out of him in the next few years, he didn't cost us pick 7 like Jaksch did or pick 11 like McLean, and at least we know that Thomas even at 80% is still a bloody good footballer.

Yep. Probably unfair to put any blame or criticisms on Daisy... that lies elsewhere. Fit and well, he will be good for us plus he is apparently very good behind the scenes as well.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: cimm1979 on June 20, 2015, 11:16:24 am
Ok cheers CIMM, just checked out the NB side pretty strong on paper hope it can transfer to on field

I get very jealous about not being able to watch the seconds, would love to live in Melb and wander into the suburban grounds watching who's up next.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: cookie2 on June 20, 2015, 11:19:06 am
I get very jealous about not being able to watch the seconds, would love to live in Melb and wander into the suburban grounds watching who's up next.

You'd need to be well rugged-up today - it's f'in freezing! Still going to the G though.
Title: Re: Round 12: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide Post Bye pre game
Post by: DJC on June 20, 2015, 12:06:55 pm
You'd need to be well rugged-up today - it's f'in freezing! Still going to the G though.

It's quite pleasant in Coral Bay  :)

Give the boys heaps of support Cookie.  I'm quietly confident of an upset!