Wow we are rally really bad.
Appalling effort, they were ripe for the picking !!
Appalling effort, they were ripe for the picking !!
Picking....rhymes with kicking...something which is completely foreign to us
we should be handing out notices to some of our own
When it got tough, some of our players were exposed, we didn't know how to win. I am sh1tted off beyond all reality !!
Simple case of missed opportunities really.
Thought Yarran was electric in his effort. Well done.
Simmo terrific.
Waite was dreadful.
When it got tough, some of our players were exposed, we didn't know how to win. I am sh1tted off beyond all reality !!
Too many butchers of the ball my man.
Joke of a club.
Gift this side two soft wins. Weak.
We had a squillion more shots at goal and just choked it right up.
The Druggies will be relishing the fact that they have put us out of the finals (on points anyway) which also sickens me.
No heart, they were ripe for the picking, gave up twice and twice instead of extinguishing their flame we let them back into it.
Appalling effort, they were ripe for the picking !!
Apart from Kade Simpson their is a complete lack of leadership on the ground.....a very poor result for the club and Essendon know we will choke under pressure.
I expect massive cuts to the list after tonight and I think we need to sort out the leadership group and captaincy....
What an effin' joke. So Bell made no genuine attempt to dispose of the ball while Radioactive Man held it to him. Give me a ****'n break.
Most painful loss all season. Not going to bother watching the last game because we have lost that one before we even hit the field. Season in total has been a joke as a total. I guess its my angry side venting tonight. Mick, get your papers stamped and move on. >:(
Malthouse will be tearing shreds of them tonight, there will ne a few of them who won't be able to look him in the eye either.
I spend so much effort trying to be positive about our team but it only makes the crash harder
I may or may not have put a little money on the bombers but that is beside the point.
Malthouse will be tearing shreds of them tonight, there will ne a few of them who won't be able to look him in the eye either.
what ever he is doing, it aint workin
Malthouse will be tearing shreds of them tonight, there will ne a few of them who won't be able to look him in the eye either.
Mick will do this Mick will do that that's all I'm hearing nowadays. Not that you could put all the blame on him this week, terrible kicking for goal fkn disgrace Eddie Betts hang your head in shame that miss in the last when we so needed the goal.
I tell you what, if murphy doesn't pick up his game next year - Fark him off
Talk about f#*!ing de ja vu of last time we played them! I would love to see the win loss ratio of 'the under dogs' each time we play the scum.... I knew it was going to be trouble when we were pegged as the favourites!
Malthouse will be tearing shreds of them tonight, there will ne a few of them who won't be able to look him in the eye either.
what ever he is doing, it aint workin
It's the same bullcrap we got under Ratten.
Simpson is the only one who can fly the flag tonight.
We fielded a part VFL team tonight and I would have thought that meant more effort.
I tell you what, if murphy doesn't pick up his game next year - Fark him off
He is clearly injured mate.
Probably shouldnt have even played
Need to be a few players being nervous comes trade time. Quite a few. How was Simpson such a stand out player showing more ticker than any other.
Choked under pressure? Missing when the going got tough? I think we need to get one thing straight. There was very little pressure tonight. And it certainly wasn't that tough.
Perfect example - why did McInnes elect to punch that ball instead of mark?
Once again, we beat ourselves. We're nowhere near good enough on so many levels - can't kick, can't (don't wanna) run, can't tackle. Fairly basic requirements.
Didn't watch.
Couldn't bring myself to see us choke once again.
Mick can tear all the strips he likes but he needs to take a fair chunk of blame for the position we find ourselves in.
Him and our board.
I know this is being written in anger but if I see anyone during the coming week trying to spruik how good our players are I'll spew up !!
FFS, if that didn't exemplify how wide the chasm is between us mentally, physically & skillwise then I just don't know what ever will.
We keep thinking "he'll be a good player one day" and yet they keep making the same dumb mistakes week after week.
Waite in defence was a handbag, Casboult around the ground just shat himself under the pressure and none of the could kick a goal when it was needed.
Warnock kept getting his hand to it as someone of his height should but his strike-rate for giving to our guys is 50/50, he looks like an unco stick insect in a tangle most of the time.
Gee, Menzel was good early but he too went missing after halftime. Simpson played like his life depended on it, too bad a few of his team-mates don't have the same attitude.
I'm just so angry right now .......... >:D
Worst possible result.
Now we get to hear how brave they are!
Our team make some really dumb decisions.
They also attempt things that are beyond their skill levels.
They lack the discipline to keep it simple and efficient.
I tell you what, if murphy doesn't pick up his game next year - Fark him off
He is clearly injured mate.
Probably shouldnt have even played
you need a shrink for the farking injury he has mate
They had absolutely nothing to play for we had everything.
And they still wanted it more then us.
The club is nothing these days.
Yeh correct. Bump rather than tackle. what is it with that tactic. Fail to run hard both ways. is it too straining on the ticker. Why don't the forwards lead hard to clear out the forward 50m like Hurley has his players do. Why are so many basics not employed. I can't wait to hear Micks comments. Just can't wait.
So pi$$ed off right now, robbo you undisciplined hack. What happened to the holding the ball rule in the last quater, they pinged Bell and then let 4 go after that.
Bad kicking cost us again, who the F is the goal kicking coach.
Any doubts over Warnock is setteled, he is SH#T, cannot hit to advantage, and just plain usless around the ground
what are we going to hear at the presser mick?
Essendon are a good side
we were beaten by a very good football team
they are well coached
I am desolate. Worst loss in living memory.
I simply cannot excuse this.
Excruciating anger and shame. I love our team, but in context of this season, I can't actually believe that our boys allowed this to happen.
I know this is being written in anger but if I see anyone during the coming week trying to spruik how good our players are I'll spew up !!
FFS, if that didn't exemplify how wide the chasm is between us mentally, physically & skillwise then I just don't know what ever will.
We keep thinking "he'll be a good player one day" and yet they keep making the same dumb mistakes week after week.
Waite in defence was a handbag, Casboult around the ground just shat himself under the pressure and none of the could kick a goal when it was needed.
Warnock kept getting his hand to it as someone of his height should but his strike-rate for giving to our guys is 50/50, he looks like an unco stick insect in a tangle most of the time.
Gee, Menzel was good early but he too went missing after halftime. Simpson played like his life depended on it, too bad a few of his team-mates don't have the same attitude.
I'm just so angry right now .......... >:D
+ 1
Ashamed
Absolutely shattered.
We don't have a single midfielder, Murphy included, who would be any better than a fringe player at any if the real top 8 sides.
No one, other than Kade Simpson, actually gives a crap about the jumper.
I am so disappointed in the pack of pea hearts who get to wear our proud jumper every week that I don't even feel like watching football for the next right years or so until every single one of them retires.
Our current list is a blight on the history of the Carlton Football Club.
There is not one single player not named Kade Simpson who was out there tonight that I would be even slightly disappointed to see delisted or traded before next season.
They don't deserve to have the privilege of representing the CFC.
Worst possible result.
Now we get to hear how brave they are!
Our team make some really dumb decisions.
They also attempt things that are beyond their skill levels.
They lack the discipline to keep it simple and efficient.
Spot on, I wont even watch any footy shows this week because it will all be about Essendon
Choked under pressure? Missing when the going got tough? I think we need to get one thing straight. There was very little pressure tonight. And it certainly wasn't that tough.
Perfect example - why did McInnes elect to punch that ball instead of mark?
Once again, we beat ourselves. We're nowhere near good enough on so many levels - can't kick, can't (don't wanna) run, can't tackle. Fairly basic requirements.
Gibbs missed that last kick he had for goal because he felt pressure, Casboult panicked and turned the ball over under pressure, handpassing to no one after he had a chance to kick the footy....McInnes punched instead of marked because of the perceived pressure.
Graham didnt think to kick the ball along the boundary because he was under pressure and kicked it back to the corridor...
The pressure is mental and we fell apart like we always do vs teams who have this hold on us.....
Robinson gave away two crucial, but equally dumb free kicks when there was absolutely no need to do so and one of them cost us a certain goal to Casboult (surely he couldn't missed from the top of the square) and the other directly led to one for them.
Does he actually have a brain or is there some other organ inside his head that flickers on & off all the time ??
Didn't watch.
Couldn't bring myself to see us choke once again.
Mick can tear all the strips he likes but he needs to take a fair chunk of blame for the position we find ourselves in.
Him and our board.
seriously wtf - the gameplan had us with 10 more shots on goal - we got more of the ball. Its the execution thats the problem.
Not that happy tonight, thought our kicking kept them in the game, losing Brock didnt help and we were down on on best lineline, comentators made me spew with the how brave they are and doing it for the cheating coach, that pissed me off more than losing!!!
Hate the Scum with a passion, now hate Hird even more, the penalties are a joke and hopefully we will win next week (Port retirees parading before hand should be enough to kill us off)
If we make the finals it will be only prelonging the pain one more week
Cheers
Had a chance to sow up 9th and play for 8th next week but no, these useless pr1cks had to kick 9.22!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IDIOTS!!!!
If I had my way I'd switched the lights on at Visy Park and make the useless prIcks practice goakicking until dawn.
Don't often get that p1ssed about footy but I am indescribably p1ssed off like you wouldn't believe. Just sick of bad kicking and now it's cost us a season.
Those who believe Kreuzer wouldn't have made a difference speak now or forever bite your tongues. I don't care if he doesn't win the ball off his own boot, as he wills himself to get the ball no matter what. Why wasn't Waite swung forwards earlier to be another target forward.
Worst possible result.
Now we get to hear how brave they are!
We might end up having the last laugh Lods as the Scum are set to be cut from the finals.
But even if we get in, we ain't going to do any damage :'(
I don't give an F about any positives from tonight, hang your heads, all of you
Season ended officially tonite for me as far as I'm concerned
Worst possible result.
Now we get to hear how brave they are!
We might end up having the last laugh Lods as the Scum are set to be cut from the finals.
But even if we get in, we ain't going to do any damage :'(
Too many injuries
May as well play Mitchell and McCarthy next week.
Furious!
Mm hAs killed out spirit and this was the game we screwing needed to win to stick it up them and again the only people that GAF are the supporters!
Go and get royally ducked CFC I am done
Embarrassed and ashamed.
Warnock is a hack. If Waite's not playing forward then he shouldn't be in the team. Yarran and Eddie can kick the smart arse goals but not the one's thirty metres out. Robbo back to his brain fade best. Casbout zero intelligence. Murphy least inspirational captain in the league.
Two players, maybe three can hold their head up - Simpson, Curnow and possibly Toooohey. Menzel once he has an engine will be a player and Nick Graham has ability. Jamison also tried. The rest can all go screw themselves.
And did we really missed McLean.
very disappointing,
1. we were playing for a real spot in the finals
2. we allowed JamesH to have his Champion's send-off
Finals spot on the line.
2012 vs Gold Coast (11.20) - 31 to 23 scoring shots. Loss
2013 vs Essendon (9.22) - 31 to 22 scoring shots. Loss
2012 = Ratts Fault
2013 = MM's Fault.
If anyone doesn't think Yarran should leave, they weren't watching tonight
Finals spot on the line.
2012 vs Gold Coast (11.20) - 31 to 23 scoring shots. Loss
2013 vs Essendon (9.22) - 31 to 22 scoring shots. Loss
2012 = Ratts Fault
2013 = MM's Fault.
Recruiting and list management fault...get some players who can have better skills, awareness under pressure and can kick straight...
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
Waite's always been a good sweeper in defence but not so good in the key post. Surprising for someone such a good contested mark forward.
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
Shadesy
You have always been a pessimistic tallywhacker.
We had every reason to expect we would win tonight.
Too angry to post anything non offensive, goodnight
Finals spot on the line.
2012 vs Gold Coast (11.20) - 31 to 23 scoring shots. Loss
2013 vs Essendon (9.22) - 31 to 22 scoring shots. Loss
2012 = Ratts Fault
2013 = MM's Fault.
Nah, both years = Player's Fault
I'll say it again because my last vent wasn't enough and if I don't write something down I'm going to start punching holes in walls somewhere.
This is not a Carlton team and is therefore not worthy of any of our support.
Kade Simpson should go play for Geelong or Hawthorn so he can have some real team mates.
Everything about our club in its current incarnation is absolute garbage.
Soft pretenders who should be made to get day jobs as they will never make it as legitimate footballers.
If anyone doesn't think Yarran should leave, they weren't watching tonight
da-fuq? Yarran was 2nd BOG tonight.
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
I said on the initial match thread we were vunerable.....Essendon dont fear us but we fear them so they are always a chance no matter what the odds...
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
It was predicable. Big challenge for the lads tonight. Everything to play for. Kicked 9.22. Some nice highlights. Micky's fault.
Waite tried to take Mark of The Century over the pack 15m out from the Bomber goal and in the dying minutes of the match. ::)
Can anyone please, give me a rationale answer as to why, any player who has 10-years experience would try that on ??
Complete & utter bell-end of the highest proportion !!!
The worse thing about tonight is now the GWS know hoe SH#T Warnock is, they will never take him in a trade now
I'll say it again because my last vent wasn't enough and if I don't write something down I'm going to start punching holes in walls somewhere.
This is not a Carlton team and is therefore not worthy of any of our support.
Kade Simpson should go play for Geelong or Hawthorn so he can have some real team mates.
Everything about our club in its current incarnation is absolute garbage.
Soft pretenders who should be made to get day jobs as they will never make it as legitimate footballers.
Where's the "like" button when you need one !!
Choked under pressure? Missing when the going got tough? I think we need to get one thing straight. There was very little pressure tonight. And it certainly wasn't that tough.
Perfect example - why did McInnes elect to punch that ball instead of mark?
Once again, we beat ourselves. We're nowhere near good enough on so many levels - can't kick, can't (don't wanna) run, can't tackle. Fairly basic requirements.
Gibbs missed that last kick he had for goal because he felt pressure, Casboult panicked and turned the ball over under pressure, handpassing to no one after he had a chance to kick the footy....McInnes punched instead of marked because of the perceived pressure.
Graham didnt think to kick the ball along the boundary because he was under pressure and kicked it back to the corridor...
The pressure is mental and we fell apart like we always do vs teams who have this hold on us.....
"Felt" or "perceived" pressure? I'm not disagreeing with you. How did it come to this? No poise, no crisp handling, no confidence of forethought in knowing how to constructively dispose of the ball even
before you take possession. All lacking. This debate about recruitment versus development is a furphy
BECAUSE IT'S BOTH.
Waite tried to take Mark of The Century over the pack 15m out from the Bomber goal and in the dying minutes of the match. ::)
Can anyone please, give me a rationale answer as to why, any player who has 10-years experience would try that on ??
Complete & utter bell-end of the highest proportion !!!
We have to move on from Waite like we do a lot of other players.......Waite is a dumb footballer who teases you with some highlight reel stuff but will always revert to being dumb when under pressure.
I thought Simpson and Jamison were the exceptions......McInnes is a kid learning and I dont blame any of our kids tonight.
Murphy and Gibbs were only fair tonight and the blowtorch needs to be applied to them both...Murphy cant handle the captains role as well as being taken by the best tagger and Gibbs while ok early on Goddard continues not to impact when we need him most....not good for the future.
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
It was predicable. Big challenge for the lads tonight. Everything to play for. Kicked 9.22. Some nice highlights. Micky's fault.
Come on Matt.
You know I'm better than that. It was predictable for all the reasons you mentioned before. Can't rally
Blame Mick for this isolated game. Season on the line, opposition backs against the wall.
Kick 9.22. The collision at the end was so beautifully scripted in the Carlton melodrama it spewed forth from the pen of a the cheesiest Hollywood movie writer.
I think Waite forward would have helped.
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
Shadesy
You have always been a pessimistic tallywhacker.
We had every reason to expect we would win tonight.
Lance
There is a difference between being negative and being a realist.
I haven't been often wrong about the team
Lately and it's easier than putting all
Your hopes in a team that's not up to it.
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
It was predicable. Big challenge for the lads tonight. Everything to play for. Kicked 9.22. Some nice highlights. Micky's fault.
Come on Matt.
You know I'm better than that. It was predictable for all the reasons you mentioned before. Can't rally
Blame Mick for this isolated game. Season on the line, opposition backs against the wall.
Kick 9.22. The collision at the end was so beautifully scripted in the Carlton melodrama it spewed forth from the pen of a the cheesiest Hollywood movie writer.
I think Waite forward would have helped.
It's the culmination of things leading up to this terrible loss. Malthouse couldn't make them kick straight but fk me we always have an excuse don't we.
Bootsma should have played.... Im not efen joking...Now that says alot!
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
It was predicable. Big challenge for the lads tonight. Everything to play for. Kicked 9.22. Some nice highlights. Micky's fault.
Come on Matt.
You know I'm better than that. It was predictable for all the reasons you mentioned before. Can't rally
Blame Mick for this isolated game. Season on the line, opposition backs against the wall.
Kick 9.22. The collision at the end was so beautifully scripted in the Carlton melodrama it spewed forth from the pen of a the cheesiest Hollywood movie writer.
I think Waite forward would have helped.
Agree on Waite...Essendon did the Carlisle switch on us 1st game and it worked....Henderson probably would have been better down back as he struggled vs their taller defense.
Truth is we are one big defender short down back...McInnes is strong enough and you have to have alternatives so you can re-arrange the team when things are not working...
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
It was predicable. Big challenge for the lads tonight. Everything to play for. Kicked 9.22. Some nice highlights. Micky's fault.
Come on Matt.
You know I'm better than that. It was predictable for all the reasons you mentioned before. Can't rally
Blame Mick for this isolated game. Season on the line, opposition backs against the wall.
Kick 9.22. The collision at the end was so beautifully scripted in the Carlton melodrama it spewed forth from the pen of a the cheesiest Hollywood movie writer.
I think Waite forward would have helped.
It's the culmination of things leading up to this terrible loss. Malthouse couldn't make them kick straight but fk me we always have an excuse don't we.
You know, the same mistakes keep happening exactly 12 months on from last year.
We changed coaches for a reason right?
As soon as we got to 20 points up but couldn't seem to push through this mythical barrier of a lead I knew we were in trouble.
Yeah, it's leadership all right. Leadership and skill. Leadership, skill, and heart. Amongst our failings are ...
Lost this as soon as Aaron 'the spud' Joseph was brought in! And can all of the flogs who have been calling for Duigan's inclusion all year pleas shut the feck up!
Lost it before it began.
If anyone can supply me with a reason why we can't win against a team that has won 1 quarter of their last 16 I'd be keen to hear it ??
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
It was predicable. Big challenge for the lads tonight. Everything to play for. Kicked 9.22. Some nice highlights. Micky's fault.
Come on Matt.
You know I'm better than that. It was predictable for all the reasons you mentioned before. Can't rally
Blame Mick for this isolated game. Season on the line, opposition backs against the wall.
Kick 9.22. The collision at the end was so beautifully scripted in the Carlton melodrama it spewed forth from the pen of a the cheesiest Hollywood movie writer.
I think Waite forward would have helped.
It's the culmination of things leading up to this terrible loss. Malthouse couldn't make them kick straight but fk me we always have an excuse don't we.
You know, the same mistakes keep happening exactly 12 months on from last year.
We changed coaches for a reason right?
Same crap list with players doing the same mistakes......eg Robbo cant kick.....Ratten and Mathouse wont fix that ever.....Waite will do dumb things at the wrong time...that wont change either.
Not sure that going over to my S,C&B list will change anything but I am going to look at it again.
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
It was predicable. Big challenge for the lads tonight. Everything to play for. Kicked 9.22. Some nice highlights. Micky's fault.
Come on Matt.
You know I'm better than that. It was predictable for all the reasons you mentioned before. Can't rally
Blame Mick for this isolated game. Season on the line, opposition backs against the wall.
Kick 9.22. The collision at the end was so beautifully scripted in the Carlton melodrama it spewed forth from the pen of a the cheesiest Hollywood movie writer.
I think Waite forward would have helped.
Agree on Waite...Essendon did the Carlisle switch on us 1st game and it worked....Henderson probably would have been better down back as he struggled vs their taller defense.
Truth is we are one big defender short down back...McInnes is strong enough and you have to have alternatives so you can re-arrange the team when things are not working...
Watson :D
If anyone can supply me with a reason why we can't win against a team that has won 1 quarter of their last 16 I'd be keen to hear it ??
Sorry mate, you won't be hearing it from me.
Geez we have some dummies swanning about in the famous dark blue
:(
Not sure that going over to my S,C&B list will change anything but I am going to look at it again.
Save time ..start at the sacked list....
I thought the writing was on the wall early when some Ess flog took a mark, one umpire called play on, McInness tackled him and they paid 50. Umps also seemed to forget about holding the ball after they pinged Bell, cause I counted at least 4 that should have been paid after that
Carlton - you are dead to me.......
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
It was predicable. Big challenge for the lads tonight. Everything to play for. Kicked 9.22. Some nice highlights. Micky's fault.
Come on Matt.
You know I'm better than that. It was predictable for all the reasons you mentioned before. Can't rally
Blame Mick for this isolated game. Season on the line, opposition backs against the wall.
Kick 9.22. The collision at the end was so beautifully scripted in the Carlton melodrama it spewed forth from the pen of a the cheesiest Hollywood movie writer.
I think Waite forward would have helped.
Agree on Waite...Essendon did the Carlisle switch on us 1st game and it worked....Henderson probably would have been better down back as he struggled vs their taller defense.
Truth is we are one big defender short down back...McInnes is strong enough and you have to have alternatives so you can re-arrange the team when things are not working...
Watson :D
Yep...would have been handy...could have taken Daniher who was crap anyway and his long kicking out of defense would have been a bonus seeing how we couldnt clear the ball in the second quarter...
I think the club are after Luke Delaney from Nth and with good reason.....
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
It was predicable. Big challenge for the lads tonight. Everything to play for. Kicked 9.22. Some nice highlights. Micky's fault.
Come on Matt.
You know I'm better than that. It was predictable for all the reasons you mentioned before. Can't rally
Blame Mick for this isolated game. Season on the line, opposition backs against the wall.
Kick 9.22. The collision at the end was so beautifully scripted in the Carlton melodrama it spewed forth from the pen of a the cheesiest Hollywood movie writer.
I think Waite forward would have helped.
I know. I know. As soon as we were $1.30 and certain winners I was nervous all week. Perfect game for us to lose. Had two chances to put the foot on the throat and we get a little happy with ourselves and let them back in.
Should have beaten Essendon by a total of 80 points this year. Struggled to watch the last 5 mins as I knew what was going to happen.
Make no mistake this side is top four a talent. And bottom 2 on Character & Mental Toughness
Vince Lombardi could coach this blokes and it wouldn't matter.
Just on Vince
“Mental toughness is many things and rather difficult to explain. Its qualities are sacrifice and self-denial. Also, most importantly, it is combined with a perfectly disciplined will that refuses to give in. It’s a state of mind – you could call it character in action.”
Sigh :-\
Fark you Carlton. You crape me to farking tears. I can only put up with so much crape in one lifetime. Go and get farked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shove this membership right up your farking collective a55es.
I hate you right at this very moment as much as I hate the very club that beat you tonight.
You could have made the finals and lost by a gazzilion points and I couldnt have given a ratsd tossbag but losing to this mob ...........go and get farked. I hate you. i now barrick for Richmond FFS. Suck on that you hopeless bunch of wannabees !!!!!
Simmo, you are a gem but the rest of you can go and get farked !!
Frauds, spiritless pretenders, pea-hearts, downhill skiers, simpletons, skill-less rabble, brain-sharing dummies, weak, lazy, spineless......please, stop me if I'm wrong.....
Fark you Carlton. You crape me to farking tears. I can only put up with so much crape in one lifetime. Go and get farked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shove this membership right up your farking collective a55es.
I hate you right at this very moment as much as I hate the very club that beat you tonight.
You could have made the finals and lost by a gazzilion points and I couldnt have given a ratsd tossbag but losing to this mob ...........go and get farked. I hate you. i now barrick for Richmond FFS. Suck on that you hopeless bunch of wannabees !!!!!
Simmo, you are a gem but the rest of you can go and get farked !!
Same time next week bigblue? :))
Fark you Carlton. You crape me to farking tears. I can only put up with so much crape in one lifetime. Go and get farked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shove this membership right up your farking collective a55es.
I hate you right at this very moment as much as I hate the very club that beat you tonight.
You could have made the finals and lost by a gazzilion points and I couldnt have given a ratsd tossbag but losing to this mob ...........go and get farked. I hate you. i now barrick for Richmond FFS. Suck on that you hopeless bunch of wannabees !!!!!
Simmo, you are a gem but the rest of you can go and get farked !!
I think this post, in all it's raw language & emotion, pretty much sums up everyone Carlton supporter's thoughts right now.
If the club doesn't go into the bunker over the next fortnight and reviews everything from top to bottom and realises that we are a world away from being a professional football club, then we are going to be re-living this nightmare for many years to come.
This is not just a lack of players, it's all about the overall culture of the place. We used to be ruthless winners who always took losing as "not an option". Now, we over-rate everything we do at the club when in fact we should be opening salon for hair-gel & fingernail polish.
Maybe we should just open a Butcher Shop instead, we have those sorts of people in spades already at the club. :o
Soft and all the AFL know it.
The Hawks showed the AFL world how to beat Carlton up and ever since we've been consistently pushed around. Good teams do not fear us.
We are soft and have a poor culture and poor development.
Not sure that going over to my S,C&B list will change anything but I am going to look at it again.
It changes nothing unless you get work ethics, attitude and character into the side. Otherwise it's like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. That's where it has to start even if we're down on class in the short term. Your result will be better.
screw you Carlton. screw you. 45 years of going to the footy to be gutted by an inept gutless effort.
Sitting shattered in the members while black and red scum run into the area baiting people. Thank you Carlton , you have out done yourselves again.
The one game we needed to win all year... no we have to listen to the media banging on about the "mighty <> leading his besieged club to a great win against the odd yada yada".
screw me Carlton you make me want to puke.
How could you lose this game... how could you do this to the footballing world???
20 more scoring shots FFS.
How that maggot pays HTB inside F50 to Jabs then doesn't pay us a free for the rest of the quarter.
i REALLY AM QUITE A PLEASANT BLOKE BUT MY HATERED FOR ESSENDON KNOWS NO BOUNDS,
aND THEN TO LOSE TO THEM IN THIS VERY CLIMATE....................................
dO THE PLAYERS NOT REALISE THAT NO MATTER WHAT SANCTION THE AFL NOW IMPOSE THEIR SUPPORTERS DONT GIVE A STUFF COS THEYVE BEATEN US TWICE IN A YEAR!!!!!!!!
wHAT A FARKING LAUGHING STOCK.
tHEASE PLICKS COULD LOSE THEIR DRATFT PICKS FOR THE NEXT 20 FARKING YEARS BUT THEY WONT GIVE A FARK COS THEY BEAT US TWICE THIS YEAR !!!!
jESUS h CHRIST I HATE THIS CLUB RIGHT NOW >:( >:( >:( >:(
Once again, with everything to play for , we dish out a performance that is downright embarrsing.
We lack that much mental fortitude and that much leadership on foeld that we will amount to nothing.
All downhill from here. I think we are about to enter a few more years in the doldrums. I for one hope we don't fluke out way into the finals, cos we really do not deserve too.
Interesting that Simpson was the one addressing the players in the huddle on field after half time. Says a lot about Murphy's status. We were exposed for leadership again tonight.
Was at the game, won't be watching the replay.
At the ground didn't notice any genius coaching moves, was there anything from the TV? Thought maybe could have moved Waite forward given he kicked 5 or 6 on Carlisle last time.
Also players seemed again to be second guessing where to kick, play, handball. So many times I saw CheatFC covering an extra down the boundary knowing that's we're we are going to go. Too predicable.
I won't let the players off though, our set shots were atrocious, our lack of awareness around goal has completely disappeared, could buy a frrrrkn goal in the last qtr.
Thought Curnow did well and Simmo but apart from that poor game by the the boys.
Murphy, was he even out there if he's injured don't play him at least then we have an excuse >:(. Also after half time the boys were in the huddle, who was talking because from where I was sitting it looked like Murph wasn't even listen, let alone talking FFS?
Yarran, Betts WTF has happened to both of you?
Mitch, back to the twos.
Everyone else, thanks for another wasted year. Looking forward to 2014 roller coaster ride.
Edit, thanks slippery answered my question about the huddle. Looked pretty ordinary that Murph wasn't really there. I love the guy but he needs to either say he's injured and not play or MM needs to have the talk!!
Malthouse and the entire list could front up to my place and offer a personal apology and I'd set the dog on the useless bastards.
Membership is going in the mail tomorrow, I've had enough. I've got nothing left to give.
What an insipid gutless 21 we had out there. Why is list is full of retarded duds, we more top tens than you can poke a stick at and we succumb to the cheating Scum..... ONLY CARLTON FOOTBALL CLUB HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT !! >:(
G.F.Y Marc Murphy you are certainly leading the club by example. You are soft and invisible... go FARK OFF to Bangkok and join a he-she cabaret, you'd get more touches there than here. :-*
Simmo you are a star.
Oh, and having to listen to that Frrrkn song being played over and over at our home game made me sick. Never happened at PP >:(
Malthouse and the entire list could front up to my place and offer a personal apology and I'd set the dog on the useless bastards.
Membership is going in the mail tomorrow, I've had enough. I've got nothing left to give.
I've got an AFL membership so can't post it back or I won't get into the Cricket!
Seriously I have known for some time they cannot be trusted so it doesn't hurt as much as it used to - like a junkie you know will break your heart even when they say all the right things, that's Carlton right now.
Interesting that Simpson was the one addressing the players in the huddle on field after half time. Says a lot about Murphy's status. We were exposed for leadership again tonight.
would have gone something like this:
Murph; "Righto boys...."
Simmo:"Shut the fark up Murph, I'll take it from here..."
Soft and all the AFL know it.
The Hawks showed the AFL world how to beat Carlton up and ever since we've been consistently pushed around. Good teams do not fear us.
We are soft and have a poor culture and poor development.
A very accurate post that I would reward with Karma if we still had it in operation...we were bullied again tonight and I have had a gutful of the insipid response from our players
Spineless
Heartless
Weak
Inept
Fragile
Uninterested
Inaccurate
Spiritless
Prideless
Leaderless
Selfish
Overrated
Unintelligent
Frauds, spiritless pretenders, pea-hearts, downhill skiers, simpletons, skill-less rabble, brain-sharing dummies, weak, lazy, spineless......please, stop me if I'm wrong.....
I would like to see a continuation Brett..
go FARK OFF to Bangkok and join a he-she cabaret, you'd get more touches there than here. :-*
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New training drills Mick put the players through this week.
On the positive side, best kiss cam for the year.
Not even that upset about the rest... kick that many points and the footy gods are going to strike you down.
Fark you Carlton. You crape me to farking tears. I can only put up with so much crape in one lifetime. Go and get farked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shove this membership right up your farking collective a55es.
I hate you right at this very moment as much as I hate the very club that beat you tonight.
You could have made the finals and lost by a gazzilion points and I couldnt have given a ratsd tossbag but losing to this mob ...........go and get farked. I hate you. i now barrick for Richmond FFS. Suck on that you hopeless bunch of wannabees !!!!!
Simmo, you are a gem but the rest of you can go and get farked !!
Well fark off to richmond then! I can understand the frustration as having a bunch of flog mates who are essendon giving me a handful at the moment, but we are not that bad a team. To turn to the dark side because of a loss is inexcusable!
Murphy should step down as Captain after that effort......
Likewise Sticks.
People are posting like they are surprised at the outcome?
Not surprised. It was extremely predictable.
The new element tonight, for me at least, was the end of outrageous optimism.
The final recognition of the mental weakness.
I always *knew* that the boys had some level of desire, heart, mongrel, and it was just a matter of time until they would show the fire in the belly and our seemingly mediocre team would show us what they are *actually* made off.
Richmond win was yet another false dawn.
Can't lose to CheatsFC at this time in history. I now turn the corner from naively optimistic to absolutely pessimistic, which given our list is completely disgraceful.
My stupid naive optimism is now at an end.
Music for Carlton supporters: http://thelucksmiths.bandcamp.com/track/all-the-recipes-ive-ever-ruined
Malthouse and the entire list could front up to my place and offer a personal apology and I'd set the dog on the useless bastards.
Membership is going in the mail tomorrow, I've had enough. I've got nothing left to give.
cancelled my auto renewal after the bulldogs loss, these frauds can get farked. Not worth getting upset over, they couldn't care less, why should I. Our Club stands for nothing anymore. Our legends would be ashamed. They may be cheats but at least they play for their club, coach and each other. What do we play for? $$$.
It won't happen - but seriously, look at every other captain in the AFL (excluding Melbourne)......how does Murph rank? The man simply should not be captain.....it's been tried & it's failed. Over to you Mr. Simpson.
How many more highlights are we gonna give this mob.
For mine; Simmo, Curnow & perhaps Jamo, possibly Tuohy at times......the rest - pfffffft.
What a shambles of a team.....and a Club.
Again, it won't happen - but we deserve a friggin' apology Mick. You failed us tonight, you lost me tonight.....you're not the man to 'right this ship', you're a relic of yesterday.
So tied of watching the Metro 'Y' Squad we have parading week in week out.
Our once Proud Jumper is stained with there over inflated egos, covered with wet dreams stains from beating themselves off during team bonding wank sessions.
I gunna purchase a broom and a pooper scooper and hand deliver it to MM.
Dear MM,
I have been a Blues boy for 40 yrs, a member since 99 and my son and daughter members all their lives. I have a signed Jezza jumper and a Team of the Century print as my prized gear plus a Signed Fev jumper and a few other signed items.
You could say my family are true Blues...BUT >:(
My son and I got to talking about why and who we are barracking for, we don't enjoy watching anymore and haven't for awhile. Our club is all talk and glamour and is no longer a club wanting to win premierships. Just look at the difference in the way Hawthorn play compared to us. We struggle to lay a tackle, but when they tackle they tackle to hurt the opposition. We don't even play pretty football, gee...the term champagne football was named after us!
We are seriously considering choosing another team. You could say it is short sighted but I have put up with this crap from the club since the late nineties and obviously during the last decade. We were going to go and see the Port game but I know that we will lose that too because all we try and do now is make the oppo score less than us instead of us scoring more than them. A losing mentality.
You need to change MM, do what ever is needed and make this club what it once was or you will lose more like me.
Supporter in two minds.
Behind the scenes, they may have had some other things to play for too.
Apparently Doc Reid is going to pull the pin and tonight was his last match at the club plus Hird is going to cop the 12-month ban so they may have thrown that up to the players and said "send us out on a winning note please".
Doesn't excuse our guys limp-wristed effort but makes some sense as to why they all of a sudden started playing like they meant it again as opposed to the previous four-weeks of soft losses.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
I'm back from the game and have had some time to reflect in what I hope will be an unemotional manner.
Don't get me wrong, I have read all the posts up to now, and feel the same as everyone of you do.
I have been saying for months now, that we are not good enough. I have said that being 3/4/5 goals in front in the last quarter of games, only to get beaten, is proof positive of that.
We lack kicking skills, handball skills, set shots at goal skills, tackling skills, mental toughness, and every other skill known to man.
And because of that, we are exactly where we should be on the ladder although I'm prepared to say that we are flattering ourselves if we think that we are a better than 12th. side.
I have been a supporter since I was 4 years old, that's 60 years ago and a had a much heavier involvement in the club way back when than now. Big Nic was at our house every week. I grew up in the era and used to go to training nights when Jack Wrout and Micky Crisp were on the board. later it was Bugsy Combden, Kevin Hall, Wes lofts etc. I enjoyed the company of Sellers, the Dominator, Jimmy Buckley , Harmes and the players of that era. Peter Mconville was a great mate, and a very good plumber too!
And the one thing, that those aforementioned board members, and players were renowned for, was that they would have literally died to ensure that the pride of the club and the jumper was always upheld.
What we have appearing for us now, are a highly paid bunch of weak as p!!!ss gutless wonders, who as I said lack every skill in the book, but more importantly, lack courage, pride in the jumper, and the mental capacity to overcome all odds.
They will tell you that they tried their hearts out tonight, but bad kicking cost them the game. Yes, bad kicking is bad football, it is inexcusable football, but it isn't the be all and all that explains a loss.
When you line the goal up from 30 metres out directly in front, and miss, it's not the bad kick that let you down, they all know how to kick the bloody thing, it's the lack of concentration and the lack of being able to say to yourself, "I will not miss this shot under any circumstances".
When Levi drops an easy overhead mark in the first quarter on the half forward flank, it's not because he can't mark, we all know he can, it's because he lacks the ability to concentrate for 100 minutes, and this was only about 15 minutes into the game, and he lacks the capacity to say to himself as the ball is coming towards him, "this is mine, no one takes this mark except me, I will not drop it"
What in fact he does, is what they all do. He flies for the mark without that 100%determination and concentration, and drops it.
What happened tonight, would have been unacceptable to the great players I mentioned above. They wouldn't put up with a gutless wonder like Gibbs in the team. Or a brainless twit like Robinson.
I said in another post last last week, that I hoped we did not make the finals, even by default.
Firstly, we don't deserve to be there, and neither do any of the teams below us, and yes that includes North. They look terrific, but when it's all said and done, also lack the mental toughness to win the close ones.
I don't want the Board, such as it is, and the Coach, such as he is, and the match committee, such as they are, giving players who don't deserve it, a second chance, and they may do that if we play finals.
They won't get rid of everyone, but if they don't replace the ones that they do get rid of with players of the ilk of those mentioned above, then the Board needs to be sacked, and the Coach and match commitee should follow them out the door.
I'm not proposing that we will pick up players as good as those that I mentioned, although it would be great if we did, I'm proposing that every player they pick up next year, has to be prepared to almost literally die on the field for the jumper.
But it's not just the jumper that they need to put their heart and soul on the line for, it's us, the people who PAY THEIR FKN WAGES.
I will always support the club in spirit, I'm to old to change and would rather give the game away than change.
But I will not give them one cent of my very hard earned, for next year, until about half way through the season, just before membership closes.
I will want to see, not them necessarily winning every game, they won't do that, but putting their bodies on the line, and playing with fierce determination for the club and the supporters that love the club.
Perhaps if the players loved the club as much as we do, they would not be in the position that we are now.
So much for being unemotional :( :(
Well said! Imagine a team who all play for the jumper! Players who i bellieve do are: simpson, scotland, tohey, duigan, walker, judd, mcclean, cachia, mcguinees, hendo, carrats, kruezer, curnow, laidler and menzel..... Leaves half a team that doesnt!
I don't actually think they lifted, we just kept kicking points. Eventually you run out of chances.
With the side we had in we needed to make the most of it, because we are not that good.
Has Malthouse had a press conference? Can't find one on the afl or fox web sites.
Fark you Carlton. You crape me to farking tears. I can only put up with so much crape in one lifetime. Go and get farked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shove this membership right up your farking collective a55es.
I hate you right at this very moment as much as I hate the very club that beat you tonight.
You could have made the finals and lost by a gazzilion points and I couldnt have given a ratsd tossbag but losing to this mob ...........go and get farked. I hate you. i now barrick for Richmond FFS. Suck on that you hopeless bunch of wannabees !!!!!
Simmo, you are a gem but the rest of you can go and get farked !!
Well fark off to richmond then! I can understand the frustration as having a bunch of flog mates who are essendon giving me a handful at the moment, but we are not that bad a team. To turn to the dark side because of a loss is inexcusable!
Here we go.....knew someone was bound to use this well-worn nugget of 'wisdom' ::)
Has Malthouse had a press conference? Can't find one on the afl or fox web sites.
They put the press conference up as quick as they can. It should be up by March 2015 ;D
On the radio they said carlton wouldnt let the media in the rooms.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Nup - that's a cop-out mbb. Our blokes do not work hard enough for long enough, they pick 'n choose when they wanna crack in. Who leads? Who gut runs? Who works hard to be an option downfield? Where are our blokes around the stoppages? Where are our loose blokes on the counter-attack? Don't make easy excuses for them mbb, they don't deserve it.
On the radio they said carlton wouldnt let the media in the rooms.
They should have let the media into the rooms, and the players should have stayed on the field practising till 3.00 A.M.
Once again, with everything to play for , we dish out a performance that is downright embarrsing.
We lack that much mental fortitude and that much leadership on foeld that we will amount to nothing.
All downhill from here. I think we are about to enter a few more years in the doldrums. I for one hope we don't fluke out way into the finals, cos we really do not deserve too.
Agree and its irreparable. Anyone who thinks we dont need a rebuild is kidding themselves.
You know your in strife when your lineup includes:
Hacks like:
Joseph
Duigan
Robinson
Armfield
Jamison
Pea Hearts like:
Gibbs
Murphy
Yarran
Betts
Warnock
Brainless Dopes like:
Waite
Casbolt
Bell
The only blokes who can hold their head up this year are:
Simmo (best clubman)
Hendo (b&f)
Curnow
2E (most improved)
Scottland
These 5 in particular looked like they gave a crap tonite, the rest hand back your match payments.
Troy and Nick Graham need work but at least they have a crack (if they were at Geel or Syd they would get rising star nominations)
To MM, Walk away now before they kill you, its not worth the health risk.
We are the new Ninthmond or potentially the new tenthmond.
Has Malthouse had a press conference? Can't find one on the afl or fox web sites.
If he does, I hope it's to announce his resignation..... >:D
On the radio they said carlton wouldnt let the media in the rooms.
They should have let the media into the rooms, and the players should have stayed on the field practising till 3.00 A.M.
Cant have them out practicing until 3 am
They'd miss out on the nightclub circuit, where they can tell all around them ,they are AFL players
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Nup - that's a cop-out mbb. Our blokes do not work hard enough for long enough, they pick 'n choose when they wanna crack in. Who leads? Who gut runs? Who works hard to be an option downfield? Where are our blokes around the stoppages? Where are our loose blokes on the counter-attack? Don't make easy excuses for them mbb, they don't deserve it.
Not sure how saying we're not very good is making an excuse?
well said bignic, exactly how I feel and what I do.
We have poor lazy administration creating a low quality product on field.
The playing list has never been good.
Not skillful hard smart strong and powerful enough.
Wake up people - get into the board and push em out.
Im gob smacked as to how people can continue backing the players and pointing at the coach. These guys did the exact same thing when Ratten was coaching for his career and finals were on the line last year. A season on and our coach has been with this mob for less than 12 months and these guys have done it again with finals on the line again.
The players lost me when they failed to rally behind the coach. Why? Because they are a group that have been molly coddled to the point that they can only play well when everything is going to plan.
Miss a few shots at goal and the collective crap their dacks.
Its time for us to back someone to do whatever it takes.
Totally agree Thry,
Mick must be wondering what the feck he has got himself into.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Nup - that's a cop-out mbb. Our blokes do not work hard enough for long enough, they pick 'n choose when they wanna crack in. Who leads? Who gut runs? Who works hard to be an option downfield? Where are our blokes around the stoppages? Where are our loose blokes on the counter-attack? Don't make easy excuses for them mbb, they don't deserve it.
Thats what i was so pi55ed off with too Brettie.
No-one wanted to run hard enough for long enough. Thats why we had to bomb the ball so often and were so easy to read.
Can someone explain to me our game plan?
Funny how people have ridiculed me for a couple of years when I post negative comments about the club. Tonight demonstrated why I have done so. I knew about 5 years ago that we were heading in the wrong direction. 1995 is so far away now it's not funny. We need a complete clean out- starting with Sticks Kernahan, O'sullivan, Barker and that useless hack Green. Malthouse needs to reassess that stupid boundary line game plan, or we need to pay him out... immediately.
The following players have to go:
The 3 amigos. Armfield, Casboult, Joeseph (can you believe he got a game tonight!), Waite, Scotland, Catchia, Duygan, Warnock and Robinson, Gibbs and Judd.
Hopefully the rebuild will start next year with players like Menzel, Henderson, Touhey and Kruzer. Graham and Bootsma don't look up to it either IMO.. but they are just kids so maybe they could be given 1 more year.
We are fooked.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Nup - that's a cop-out mbb. Our blokes do not work hard enough for long enough, they pick 'n choose when they wanna crack in. Who leads? Who gut runs? Who works hard to be an option downfield? Where are our blokes around the stoppages? Where are our loose blokes on the counter-attack? Don't make easy excuses for them mbb, they don't deserve it.
Not sure how saying we're not very good is making an excuse?
Ummmm.....'cos they could be good if they actually worked hard enough to be good & showed they wanted to be good, for the most part - most of them do neither. So yes, simply saying they're not very good is a simplistic cop-out for them.
Totally agree Thry,
Mick must be wondering what the feck he has got himself into.
Without a shadow of a doubt.....unfortunately I don't think Mick knows how to fix it, it's in that bad a shape.
Sorry I don't want to read 10 pages so if it's reposted so be it. This club has for as long as I can remember been a soft adversary when the going gets tough.
If MM wants to sacrifice at the draft table he has my full support.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Nup - that's a cop-out mbb. Our blokes do not work hard enough for long enough, they pick 'n choose when they wanna crack in. Who leads? Who gut runs? Who works hard to be an option downfield? Where are our blokes around the stoppages? Where are our loose blokes on the counter-attack? Don't make easy excuses for them mbb, they don't deserve it.
Thats what i was so pi55ed off with too Brettie.
No-one wanted to run hard enough for long enough. Thats why we had to bomb the ball so often and were so easy to read.
Can someone explain to me our game plan?
How many times did Murph stream into the forward 50, only to meekly pop the ball up in the air to a 2-1 contest against? Is he fcuking retarded?
Sorry I don't want to read 10 pages so if it's reposted so be it. This club has for as long as I can remember been a soft adversary when the going gets tough.
If MM wants to sacrifice at the draft table he has my full support.
That comment is soooooooo page 2 of this thread :D
Agree though.....the list is an open slather......to slash & burn at will.
Only 53000 there tonight, and thats being generous. I can recall such a poor turnout for such a big game. It was pretty much an even split. It of a message for both clubs in that i think.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Nup - that's a cop-out mbb. Our blokes do not work hard enough for long enough, they pick 'n choose when they wanna crack in. Who leads? Who gut runs? Who works hard to be an option downfield? Where are our blokes around the stoppages? Where are our loose blokes on the counter-attack? Don't make easy excuses for them mbb, they don't deserve it.
Thats what i was so pi55ed off with too Brettie.
No-one wanted to run hard enough for long enough. Thats why we had to bomb the ball so often and were so easy to read.
Can someone explain to me our game plan?
How many times did Murph stream into the forward 50, only to meekly pop the ball up in the air to a 2-1 contest against? Is he fcuking retarded?
And the 1 was often Betts with the 2 being six+ footers! Wtf is wrong with these blokes, it's not farkin rocket surgery!
First order of business
Murphy to stand down, sorry mate but it's not your bag
Tonight showed me who should be the skipper, Simmo
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Nup - that's a cop-out mbb. Our blokes do not work hard enough for long enough, they pick 'n choose when they wanna crack in. Who leads? Who gut runs? Who works hard to be an option downfield? Where are our blokes around the stoppages? Where are our loose blokes on the counter-attack? Don't make easy excuses for them mbb, they don't deserve it.
This^^^^. Gibbs and Murphy are the worst of the lot, they do not chase, they jog, they don't sprint hard to fill the gaps, they stroll in the other direction hoping the opposition turn the ball over and they get a cheap stat. Murphy at least tried to win a few centre clearances in the last term but these two just don't work hard enough defensively. I would happily trade Marc Murphy for the #1 pick with little or no hesitation and I'd swap Gibbs for a top 5 pick no probs and I'd be happy to ditch them both this season for those picks.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Nup - that's a cop-out mbb. Our blokes do not work hard enough for long enough, they pick 'n choose when they wanna crack in. Who leads? Who gut runs? Who works hard to be an option downfield? Where are our blokes around the stoppages? Where are our loose blokes on the counter-attack? Don't make easy excuses for them mbb, they don't deserve it.
Thats what i was so pi55ed off with too Brettie.
No-one wanted to run hard enough for long enough. Thats why we had to bomb the ball so often and were so easy to read.
Can someone explain to me our game plan?
Our game plan is to ignore fantastic attacking options through the middle and kick to one on ones down the boundary. The amount of time we have a great option and ignore it to go to a one on one is so frustrating aint no way that game plan is going to get you a premiership nowadays.
The problem is that we think we can play like 'Mandrake the Magician' but have the skill and decision making ability of 'Bozo the Clown'
They try to do flashy, high risk things often choosing the wrong option (shots for goal rather than giving it off, handballing to players under pressure) when there are better alternatives.
Keep it simple....but that sometimes requires a degree of hard work.
The majority of our players seem to fall into two groups.
One lot has the skills....but don't work hard enough for long enough.
The other work really hard but totally lack the skills.
The problem is that we think we can play like 'Mandrake the Magician' but have the skill and decision making ability of 'Bozo the Clown'
They try to do flashy, high risk things often choosing the wrong option (shots for goal rather than giving it off, handballing to players under pressure) when there are better alternatives.
Keep it simple....but that sometimes requires a degree of hard work.
The majority of our players seem to fall into two groups.
One lot has the skills....but don't work hard enough for long enough.
The other work really hard but totally lack the skills.
Nice accurate summation Lodes ;)
Im gob smacked as to how people can continue backing the players and pointing at the coach. These guys did the exact same thing when Ratten was coaching for his career and finals were on the line last year. A season on and our coach has been with this mob for less than 12 months and these guys have done it again with finals on the line again.
The players lost me when they failed to rally behind the coach. Why? Because they are a group that have been molly coddled to the point that they can only play well when everything is going to plan.
Miss a few shots at goal and the collective crap their dacks.
Its time for us to back someone to do whatever it takes.
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Can someone explain to me our game plan?
I'd say its kick more goals than:
1. The opposition
2. Your Behinds Column
Totally agree Thry,
Mick must be wondering what the feck he has got himself into.
Without a shadow of a doubt.....unfortunately I don't think Mick knows how to fix it, it's in that bad a shape.
I have never seen MM react like that in the box, i'd guess that he feels thats the worst loss of a football game he has ever been associated with (GF's included).
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Nup - that's a cop-out mbb. Our blokes do not work hard enough for long enough, they pick 'n choose when they wanna crack in. Who leads? Who gut runs? Who works hard to be an option downfield? Where are our blokes around the stoppages? Where are our loose blokes on the counter-attack? Don't make easy excuses for them mbb, they don't deserve it.
Thats what i was so pi55ed off with too Brettie.
No-one wanted to run hard enough for long enough. Thats why we had to bomb the ball so often and were so easy to read.
Can someone explain to me our game plan?
How many times did Murph stream into the forward 50, only to meekly pop the ball up in the air to a 2-1 contest against? Is he fcuking retarded?
He would have swallowed those in the passed. I can only think that his knee is preventing him from getting penetration in his kicks. Having said that, we are no. 1 in the competition at lobbing the ball at players (the old hospital pass) giving the opo players time to run in and either spoil or intercept. We do it a lot across the board and its a basic skill error.
Only 53000 there tonight, and thats being generous. I can recall such a poor turnout for such a big game. It was pretty much an even split. It of a message for both clubs in that i think.
Be a long farken time before me and three GTCs turn up to a game again. They have lost me big time.
The only guts and tenacity shown was MM in the box beating up on the Hyundai board.
we're going to kill this guy
Just like we destroyed Judd
Only 53000 there tonight, and thats being generous. I can recall such a poor turnout for such a big game. It was pretty much an even split. It of a message for both clubs in that i think.
Be a long farken time before me and three GTCs turn up to a game again. They have lost me big time.
I stopped going awhile ago - why should I make an effort when those ba$tards don't
Some telling stats in a 6 pt game;
Carlton Statistic Essendon
73 Marks 106
50 Tackles 72
9 Goals Kicked 12
20 Behinds Kicked 9
2 Rushed Behinds 1
31 Scoring Shots 22
29.0% Conversion 54.5%
48 Inside 50s 56
Some telling stats in a 6 pt game;
Carlton Statistic Essendon
73 Marks 106
50 Tackles 72
9 Goals Kicked 12
20 Behinds Kicked 9
2 Rushed Behinds 1
31 Scoring Shots 22
29.0% Conversion 54.5%
48 Inside 50s 56
Free kicks?
Hit outs (to advantage)?
some thoughts in the light of day....
I though Bell was good, gave drive though the guts & some good work by foot even. He will play a part in this sides future.
Duigan, butchered it once for a turnover, but who didn't. He showed heart in his performance that most of the side have been lacking.
Curnow, also not among the worst.
Simmo....there were people calling for his head for the first half of the season.......he's not the same bloke running around out there now.
That's all I've got for now, I'm not going to start on the negatives !
Last time we met this team Waite kicked a lazy 7 goals out of the 10 we managed.
Yet all game that's right all game he plays defence while we struggle to put goals on the board. :-\
Not enough being said about this.
The team is insipid no doubt but MM is not half the coach he was.
I love his passion and loved watching him go mad every now and then when coaching the pies but his weekly demeanor suggests something is very wrong.
Standing in the box, hitting and throwing things, incorporative press conferences all point to a man who has lost control as its obvious he has no way of getting the success most thought he would. Being such a proud man he is so bloody frustrated he can't hide it. I think he took this gig quietly thinking he inherited a Geelong that with with him giving the odd spray and maybe just his presence he could get us further then our previous coach. WRONG.
So how do we buy ourself out of this one? Buying at the time the best player in the comp failed. Sacking our nutcase FF failed didnt do much. Sacking a past legend and buying the most expensive coach in the afl will ultimately be another fail.
We are in a heap of sh1t. Sorry but being a big player in this years draft is not going to fix this mess. It time to start again. Its not top up time. A heap of pain ahead. Murphy being our captain pretty much sums up what we are about. If he doesn't stand down at years end the club must make the decision for him.
I have been feeling in for the last 18 months so this is no knee jerk one bad loss reaction but I am over the afl and worse I'm over my team.
They both stand for nothing and treat supporters like fools.
Not anymore. Might still watch our game if I have nothing else going on but there will be no membership, no going to games, no watching daily rubbish footy shows-all this is gone for good.
Time to move on.
Dear All and Sundry,
I haven’t slept since last night so apologies if I start rambling.
I have been attending football games since the early 70’s, and a full Carlton member for 20 years. I divide that time into two eras; a long, frequently joyful one that I look back upon with great pride at a club that never let us down, and post the cap rort penalties, a 10 year period in which this once great club has essentially became a shell of what it was. During this second phase, there hasn’t been much joy, if any, at the footy.
During season 2013 I took a deliberate step back from AFL footy primarily as I feared that the game has gone to places that I hoped I would never go. For somebody that grew up kicking the footy in the park until dark as kids, then attended 2 games most weekends and then committing to serious membership dollars this represents is a big shift in direction.
I approached this game with great trepidation as I have a great sense of what is right and wrong, and the sagas of this season have removed the game from what it used to be. You worked during the week then you played footy on weekends. Now it is uber professional and some have taken it beyond that.
On Saturday night I lost it, more than once, at the footy. The result infuriated me because to me it represented a mob who have done the wrong thing triumphing over a club that has played by the rules. I abused everybody and everyone – players, umpires, officials… the world. I said stupid things I am ashamed of in the heat of total frustration. This is not something I am proud of and I apologise to all and sundry for this. I realise that I have a serious issue and I am going to seek help for it.
As a result I am going to step away from elite-level football and dedicate myself to doing something more constructive with my time, such as helping out at local footy and sport.
I have been a member of this forum group since Brettie had 50 posts. I can’t do it anymore, the sport and this club have broken me and I must change. I wish you all the best in the future in your personal journeys, I wish the Essendon players who took any drugs to avoid any long term health consequence and I wish the game good luck because it needs it.
Many thanks people and regards always,
Professer E
Dear All and Sundry,
I haven’t slept since last night so apologies if I start rambling.
I have been attending football games since the early 70’s, and a full Carlton member for 20 years. I divide that time into two eras; a long, frequently joyful one that I look back upon with great pride at a club that never let us down, and post the cap rort penalties, a 10 year period in which this once great club has essentially became a shell of what it was. During this second phase, there hasn’t been much joy, if any, at the footy.
During season 2013 I took a deliberate step back from AFL footy primarily as I feared that the game has gone to places that I hoped I would never go. For somebody that grew up kicking the footy in the park until dark as kids, then attended 2 games most weekends and then committing to serious membership dollars this represents is a big shift in direction.
I approached this game with great trepidation as I have a great sense of what is right and wrong, and the sagas of this season have removed the game from what it used to be. You worked during the week then you played footy on weekends. Now it is uber professional and some have taken it beyond that.
On Saturday night I lost it, more than once, at the footy. The result infuriated me because to me it represented a mob who have done the wrong thing triumphing over a club that has played by the rules. I abused everybody and everyone – players, umpires, officials… the world. I said stupid things I am ashamed of in the heat of total frustration. This is not something I am proud of and I apologise to all and sundry for this. I realise that I have a serious issue and I am going to seek help for it.
As a result I am going to step away from elite-level football and dedicate myself to doing something more constructive with my time, such as helping out at local footy and sport.
I have been a member of this forum group since Brettie had 50 posts. I can’t do it anymore, the sport and this club have broken me and I must change. I wish you all the best in the future in your personal journeys, I wish the Essendon players who took any drugs to avoid any long term health consequence and I wish the game good luck because it needs it.
Many thanks people and regards always,
Professer E
Hope to see you back here one day, when you feel you can. I appreciate your posts. I hope you can come back when you feel the club is pointed in the right direction again.
Yep. Just as I thought.
Woke up hoping it was all a bad dream.........................
F U CFC.
With this crape I cannot put!!
You've sucked the life out of me and I just cant do this anymore.
Once again, Simmo. I dips my lid to you. You play with the heart of a lion and the passion that we all crave. You'd have every right to look elsewhere for a premiership. I dont think anywone would begrudge you if thats hat you wanted to do. I dont know how any of your teammates could look you in the eye this morning.
Went along last night as usual with two old friends. We've all been going along together to support the Blues over the past 35 years.
Last night was the most bitter pill we've had to swallow in all those years. Watching utter capitulation to a team of cheats and having to witness the unfettered joy of their deluded supporters was just to hard to bear. I'm shattered. My oldest friend, who is never given to adverse criticism of the Blues, (he has defended them during some of my most angry tirades in the past) just turned to me and said "We are just not good enough". That's from a man who's been a faithful Blue throughout all of his reasonably long life.
If there is not a significant clean out of the list and footy dept. for next year we are doomed to this misery for the foreseeable future. Very very sad. :(
@Prof E
Just read your very moving post Prof. I'm sure we'll all miss your contributions and hope that you can see fit to return in the not to distant future - all things must pass mate!
One thing that does seem to have escaped attention so far is that this was Essendon's Grand Final. Hird and his team know the future is bleak and the AFL will step in and remove them from the action next week. As a result, they felt like they had only 1 thing left to play for and gave it last night.
For all of that, and there wasn't a heap for us to get enthused about, we DID get very close and deserved to win. It hurts. I hope it hurts the players, as we need to right a considerable number of wrongs next season.
Can we do it? That is a very big question. I'm simply not sure. We have gone backwards significantly this season. We have a small number of players who are playing as well or better than last year. Most have fallen back and, list changes or not, we need to rebuild the spirit and heart of our club. It should have been our GF yesterday, but that wasn't the way the guys treated it. We need to treat every game like it is a GF until we get there and win it. Half efforts are not enough.
Dear All and Sundry,
I haven’t slept since last night so apologies if I start rambling.
I have been attending football games since the early 70’s, and a full Carlton member for 20 years. I divide that time into two eras; a long, frequently joyful one that I look back upon with great pride at a club that never let us down, and post the cap rort penalties, a 10 year period in which this once great club has essentially became a shell of what it was. During this second phase, there hasn’t been much joy, if any, at the footy.
During season 2013 I took a deliberate step back from AFL footy primarily as I feared that the game has gone to places that I hoped I would never go. For somebody that grew up kicking the footy in the park until dark as kids, then attended 2 games most weekends and then committing to serious membership dollars this represents is a big shift in direction.
I approached this game with great trepidation as I have a great sense of what is right and wrong, and the sagas of this season have removed the game from what it used to be. You worked during the week then you played footy on weekends. Now it is uber professional and some have taken it beyond that.
On Saturday night I lost it, more than once, at the footy. The result infuriated me because to me it represented a mob who have done the wrong thing triumphing over a club that has played by the rules. I abused everybody and everyone – players, umpires, officials… the world. I said stupid things I am ashamed of in the heat of total frustration. This is not something I am proud of and I apologise to all and sundry for this. I realise that I have a serious issue and I am going to seek help for it.
As a result I am going to step away from elite-level football and dedicate myself to doing something more constructive with my time, such as helping out at local footy and sport.
I have been a member of this forum group since Brettie had 50 posts. I can’t do it anymore, the sport and this club have broken me and I must change. I wish you all the best in the future in your personal journeys, I wish the Essendon players who took any drugs to avoid any long term health consequence and I wish the game good luck because it needs it.
Many thanks people and regards always,
Professer E
Sorry to here PE. Good luck mate.
Once again, Simmo. I dips my lid to you. You play with the heart of a lion and the passion that we all crave. You'd have every right to look elsewhere for a premiership. I dont think anywone would begrudge you if thats hat you wanted to do. I dont know how any of your teammates could look you in the eye this morning.
Not farken one of them.
Some telling stats in a 6 pt game;
Carlton Statistic Essendon
73 Marks 106
50 Tackles 72
9 Goals Kicked 12
20 Behinds Kicked 9
2 Rushed Behinds 1
31 Scoring Shots 22
29.0% Conversion 54.5%
48 Inside 50s 56
Free kicks?
Hit outs (to advantage)?
Frees were actually 20 to 17 our way. Hit outs 41 to 23 our way, dont know how many to advantage. They laid 22 more tackles and we kicked 20 behinds to their 9. Its not the first time this has happened and along with our fitness is a high priority to be addressed.
Seems our club has developed a new skill... when the opponent is not up to winning against us, we find a way to help them beat us.
Our own worst enemies.
Soft leadership and woeful discipline.
Teasers - show us something like the Tiggers game, then obviously spend the week following jerking each other off; comparing hair styles and then failing to back up a good effort with a better one. Then a better one again.
Lose a bloke early in a game and go to water.
We need to trade out the girls and get some men into the club; blokes with a strong resolve between the lugholes.
Im gob smacked as to how people can continue backing the players and pointing at the coach. These guys did the exact same thing when Ratten was coaching for his career and finals were on the line last year. A season on and our coach has been with this mob for less than 12 months and these guys have done it again with finals on the line again.
The players lost me when they failed to rally behind the coach. Why? Because they are a group that have been molly coddled to the point that they can only play well when everything is going to plan.
Miss a few shots at goal and the collective crap their dacks.
Its time for us to back someone to do whatever it takes.
x 1
Yep, yep and double yep!
It's that old saying that is so applicable to our list and footy dept. "If you want the people to change, you've got to change the people!" Go and do it Mick!
Glad I didn't go... had to go to Canberra re work - imagine losing how we did and finding yourself in Canberra!!! The only cemetry with street lights.
Feel a lot like Dr. E. Hardly slept.
Thanks guys (I assume)... it has been a cathartic 18 hours and we must all move on to the better..
I have always enjoyed your posts Crash, the highlight of the past 10 years has been watching kids develop so I intend to spend time in the future at Preston. I hope I see Baggers and RR there.
Football lost a lot of soul when you couldn't go early and watch the 2's runs around, another tradition ripped from the guts of the game.
I'd be disappointed if the club didnt call a meeting today or tomorrow of the entire club from the chairman to the boot studder and the sat around as a whole for open and honest discussion on that performance. CFC (Simmo excluded) brought themselves into disrepute last night. As I said earlier, I hope they learnt something from CheatsFC last night, how to play for your club, coach and each other, we failed on all three counts. At the end of the day its called DETERMINATION and we showed zero AFAIC (Simmo excluded, he is all heart).
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Dominated the game largely. At one stage had 16 of the last 18 scoring shots. And lost the game of footy.
Just mentally inept. And nothing to fall back to when the going gets tough. This was Ratts biggest failing, yet 12 months on I see nothing has changed.
I guess we can write off the season now, most supporters were happy to anyway.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Dominated the game largely. At one stage had 16 of the last 18 scoring shots. And lost the game of footy.
Just mentally inept. And nothing to fall back to when the going gets tough. This was Ratts biggest failing, yet 12 months on I see nothing has changed.
I guess we can write off the season now, most supporters were happy to anyway.
Shades I wrote it off weeks ago. And youre right, nothing to fall back to when the going gets tough. If you swapped J Selwood for M Murphy last night and we win, plain and simple. But then again, why should it be up to to one man, there's 22 out their playing a team game. I realised last night in little snippets and passages of play how many individuals were playing for themselves. One classic example was Betts in the last qtr taking a difficult snap when Menzel was virtually free in the goal square.
The only real leader we have is Simmo. Don't know what he's like off-field but in battle this guy is a true warrior-leader.
Our nominal leader, Murph, is meek and mild and uninspirational in the leadership role - a massive flaw!
There are no other leaders, apart from Judd and Carrots who are reaching the end of their careers.
What we have in spades are spectators, bunglers, cruisers, show ponies and dimwits!
Massive revamp required with a massive injection of leadership, guts and determination.
Im gob smacked as to how people can continue backing the players and pointing at the coach. These guys did the exact same thing when Ratten was coaching for his career and finals were on the line last year. A season on and our coach has been with this mob for less than 12 months and these guys have done it again with finals on the line again.
The players lost me when they failed to rally behind the coach. Why? Because they are a group that have been molly coddled to the point that they can only play well when everything is going to plan.
Miss a few shots at goal and the collective crap their dacks.
Its time for us to back someone to do whatever it takes.
Nothing had changed in 12 months and that's not a failing of the coach?
We should just let then run themselves and save the mill then.
We haven't been the team we have wanted to be since Round 3 2012.
I don't know, maybe it was too hard to get that good.
The only excuse I can make for last night is that I'm sure plenty of the boys are sore and we did field a VFL team against, more or less, a strong Essendon side.
List lodgement period will be interesting.
Is this a result of our mids just sitting back and letting Judd do the work for the last 5 years? No one seems willing to try and turn the game around.
Betts so disappointing last night that left foot snap in the last from the goalsquare. Betts would kick that 999/1000 times. Goes to show our players aren't focused at all. That's where the poor kicking for goal comes from.
Our game plan is to ignore fantastic attacking options through the middle and kick to one on ones down the boundary. The amount of time we have a great option and ignore it to go to a one on one is so frustrating aint no way that game plan is going to get you a premiership nowadays.
One problem I noticed is certain senior players ignore better options because of who the player is and this has been going on for years now. Scotland had Duigan on his own the centre square, ignored him and kicked it long and high to Marc Murphy who had to out mark his opponent. Murph has never taken a contested mark in his life.
The only excuse I can make for last night is that I'm sure plenty of the boys are sore and we did field a VFL team against, more or less, a strong Essendon side.
They were missing a fair few, we had all our key position players and once again were good enough to win if we had the focus to do it. Heppell was a huge out for them.
Our game plan is to ignore fantastic attacking options through the middle and kick to one on ones down the boundary. The amount of time we have a great option and ignore it to go to a one on one is so frustrating aint no way that game plan is going to get you a premiership nowadays.
One problem I noticed is certain senior players ignore better options because of who the player is and this has been going on for years now. Scotland had Duigan on his own the centre square, ignored him and kicked it long and high to Marc Murphy who had to out mark his opponent. Murph has never taken a contested mark in his life.
It's true Buckley copped it bigtime vs the Saints earlier in the year as well. We're a side that likes to move the ball quickly and precisely. I understand we need to slow it down from time to time but let's play to our strengths FFS.
@MBB
True - for instance, the number of times we just tried to find Hendo in our F50, who was too often in a heavily contested situation, when we could have looked elsewhere. Well I lost count - we just seem to dumbly follow a very unimaginative pre-set routine.
I think Malthouse/match committee/whoever made the call to bring in Joseph stuffed up. How many run with players did we have last night? This was magnified when McLean went down. We were breaking down along the wings because we had no option to kick to because our guys didn't want to leave who they were tagging.
OMG just saw the Bummers scenes after the game we provided them with a proud great moment in their history last night. We gave them some hope and joy in possibly the worst week in the history of their club.
I think Malthouse/match committee/whoever made the call to bring in Joseph stuffed up. How many run with players did we have last night? This was magnified when McLean went down. We were breaking down along the wings because we had no option to kick to because our guys didn't want to leave who they were tagging.
TBH I don't know WTF MM was thinking bringing in Duigan and Joseph. They're not the future and they won't be here next year. Duigan cracked in hard at times and Joseph wasn't awful however, this is not in line with developing the side.
OMG just saw the Bummers scenes after the game we provided them with a proud great moment in their history last night. We gave them some hope and joy in possibly the worst week in the history of their club.
When they kicked the last goal, I heard someone yell 10 seconds and I evacuated.
I think Malthouse/match committee/whoever made the call to bring in Joseph stuffed up. How many run with players did we have last night? This was magnified when McLean went down. We were breaking down along the wings because we had no option to kick to because our guys didn't want to leave who they were tagging.
TBH I don't know WTF MM was thinking bringing in Duigan and Joseph. They're not the future and they won't be here next year. Duigan cracked in hard at times and Joseph wasn't awful however, this is not in line with developing the side.
I don't mind either player but they are defensive shut down players. Walker and Kreuzer are offensive, when I saw the late changes I knew if the bombers came to play we were in trouble.
Last time we met this team Waite kicked a lazy 7 goals out of the 10 we managed.
Yet all game that's right all game he plays defence while we struggle to put goals on the board. :-\
Not enough being said about this.
Absolutely worth mentioning again. I think it was EB1 who said earlier that it was clear Hendo was having trouble with their tall defenders, it was clear as day all evening. At the other end, there Waite was being butchered by Hurley. Waite single-handedly smashed Essendon in round 11 as our key forward, whereas Hendo started that same round 11 encounter like a house on fire filling the holes as an intercept merchant across half-back (until someone was injured early, then Hendo had to play a lockdown role)....so what does Mick do despite 2 GLARING problems.....sits on his hands. Nice coaching.
Btw.....wtf was McInnes thinking in that last minute? Take the friggin' mark, compose yourself, ice the clock, give off a cheapie short-pass, a draw ensues (still not ideal, but better than a straight out loss). Deadset panic-merchants.
I think Malthouse/match committee/whoever made the call to bring in Joseph stuffed up. How many run with players did we have last night? This was magnified when McLean went down. We were breaking down along the wings because we had no option to kick to because our guys didn't want to leave who they were tagging.
TBH I don't know WTF MM was thinking bringing in Duigan and Joseph. They're not the future and they won't be here next year. Duigan cracked in hard at times and Joseph wasn't awful however, this is not in line with developing the side.
You miss the point, the Match Committee consists of Sticks Swan McKay MM and Wiley
Assuming the MC makes majority decisions, it is possible that MM and Wiley did not want Joseph at least.
We have a President and CEO that does Board and Football matters.
Carlton is a dinosaur.
OMG just saw the Bummers scenes after the game we provided them with a proud great moment in their history last night. We gave them some hope and joy in possibly the worst week in the history of their club.
Yep, this is what kills me most.
CFC had to win that game for us - the supporters - last night. It was a must win. Against one of our most hated sides, after the 7 months of crap they've had and in particular the horrible week they've just had.
And CFC couldn't even do that for us >:( After years of crap and waiting and waiting. Murph used to be a gun - is he injured? If he is, stop screwing playing him. He looked terrible last night.
MM, imo, has been so rigid with this team about following his rules, that they don't think for themselves at all. Countless times I saw better options presented but no, they had to go down the wing or slow it down. Once I saw a Bomber running out of our F50 and Gibbs was right next to him, but no, he peeled off to stay with his guy when if he had've run straight at the other guy he would've forced a turn over.
We need these people to STAND UP when games are there to be won - Murphy, Gibbs, Waite. The others in Hendo, Tuohey, Scotland, Simpson all usually try their guts out. Don't blame players like Joseph or Duigan - FFS they've played how many games this year? Gibbs has played every single game and he still can't be our go to guy when the going gets tough, and he screwing well should be that guy.
Murphy needs to give back the captaincy at seasons end. I love the guy but something is seriously wrong and it's not getting better.
It's crap that a game of football that meant SO MUCH to us supporters meant screw all to this group. Thanks very much MM and the players :'(
OMG just saw the Bummers scenes after the game we provided them with a proud great moment in their history last night. We gave them some hope and joy in possibly the worst week in the history of their club.
When they kicked the last goal, I heard someone yell 10 seconds and I evacuated.
Same - couldn't get out of the place quick enough.....hanging around for their celebrations......not for me.
OMG just saw the Bummers scenes after the game we provided them with a proud great moment in their history last night. We gave them some hope and joy in possibly the worst week in the history of their club.
We give that club more joy than any other....they'd happily play us 23 weeks of the years if they could. Both their wins against us this year will be wins those fcukers will remember & talk about fondly for years......
Thanks Carlton.....thanks a whole fcuking lot.....
I pray we trade Murphy and Gibbs.
We will not succeed with them, and do not want them educating our future players.
We need to recruit some players the GAF
Btw.....wtf was McInnes thinking in that last minute? Take the friggin' mark, compose yourself, ice the clock, give off a cheapie short-pass, a draw ensues (still not ideal, but better than a straight out loss). Deadset panic-merchants.
Twas a brain fade of Simon White proportions (hasn't played a game since his meltdown in the last scum game). Just had to take the mark but zero awareness, zero focus, really undid all his good work this year for mine.
When Norf threatened to win the game late in the third against the Hawks yesterday I just knew the Hawks would take it up a cog and smash Norf with everything they had and everyone would buy in.
And although Norf were in it still on the scoreboard going into the last, the game was over. Everybody knew it and there was nothing Norf could do about it.
That's the difference between good and mid table sides.
We don't have it and have not shown it in at least 10 years.
I'm not talking about beating the odd top team now and again , its about beating a top team when they take it up a notch and play brutal football.
We don't do it.
Im gob smacked as to how people can continue backing the players and pointing at the coach. These guys did the exact same thing when Ratten was coaching for his career and finals were on the line last year. A season on and our coach has been with this mob for less than 12 months and these guys have done it again with finals on the line again.
The players lost me when they failed to rally behind the coach. Why? Because they are a group that have been molly coddled to the point that they can only play well when everything is going to plan.
Miss a few shots at goal and the collective crap their dacks.
Its time for us to back someone to do whatever it takes.
Nothing had changed in 12 months and that's not a failing of the coach?
We should just let then run themselves and save the mill then.
Of course nothing has changed in twelve months. The playing group is still the same and they are too busy playing for themselves and lack the collective stones to rally behind their coach to save his job and play finals.
I was dissapointed to see Ratten go, because as much as he failed his players his players failed him, and I will not back anyone but Malthouse because at least he has a proven track record of doing a good job and might be the only person at the club who can claim this (judd aside who is not who he used to be). Collingwood might have been almost premiers under mick for much of his tenure but given just how bad we have been for roughly 13 years now, i would take that over the making up numbers team we have been.
So why bother emloyin a coach Thry?
So why bother emloyin a coach Thry?
So he can implement the change that we want to see. The players taking so long to respond is on them not the coach. Its not a complicated message that gets delivered but you have to be listening to hear it, and you need to be smart enough to understand it.
When have you labelled any of our group smart? How often do they kick to the low percentage option? Eddie betts vs Carlisle in the air or something equally stupid where Hendo is two on one against?
This is why its taking so long to get through to them.
Im gob smacked as to how people can continue backing the players and pointing at the coach. These guys did the exact same thing when Ratten was coaching for his career and finals were on the line last year. A season on and our coach has been with this mob for less than 12 months and these guys have done it again with finals on the line again.
The players lost me when they failed to rally behind the coach. Why? Because they are a group that have been molly coddled to the point that they can only play well when everything is going to plan.
Miss a few shots at goal and the collective crap their dacks.
Its time for us to back someone to do whatever it takes.
Nothing had changed in 12 months and that's not a failing of the coach?
We should just let then run themselves and save the mill then.
Of course nothing has changed in twelve months. The playing group is still the same and they are too busy playing for themselves and lack the collective stones to rally behind their coach to save his job and play finals.
I was dissapointed to see Ratten go, because as much as he failed his players his players failed him, and I will not back anyone but Malthouse because at least he has a proven track record of doing a good job and might be the only person at the club who can claim this (judd aside who is not who he used to be). Collingwood might have been almost premiers under mick for much of his tenure but given just how bad we have been for roughly 13 years now, i would take that over the making up numbers team we have been.
Something has changed.
Our late season feel good moment - smashing the Bombers by 60+ points has been replaced by incompetence.
I know the old game plan had to go, I know the players aren't good enough to win a flag but I also know MM doesn't have all the answers and sometimes doesn't have any answers at all.
He needs some quality assistants, quality fitness staff and better recruiters and FMD that MC has to change.
He might be able to improve the team, but he has deficiencies as well and if the club are going to stick with him they better address them or he'll be shown to be yesterdays man yet again and we'll go down with him.
So why bother emloyin a coach Thry?
So he can implement the change that we want to see. The players taking so long to respond is on them not the coach. Its not a complicated message that gets delivered but you have to be listening to hear it, and you need to be smart enough to understand it.
When have you labelled any of our group smart? How often do they kick to the low percentage option? Eddie betts vs Carlisle in the air or something equally stupid where Hendo is two on one against?
This is why its taking so long to get through to them.
So Port has better and smarter players than us?
So why bother emloyin a coach Thry?
So he can implement the change that we want to see. The players taking so long to respond is on them not the coach. Its not a complicated message that gets delivered but you have to be listening to hear it, and you need to be smart enough to understand it.
When have you labelled any of our group smart? How often do they kick to the low percentage option? Eddie betts vs Carlisle in the air or something equally stupid where Hendo is two on one against?
This is why its taking so long to get through to them.
So Port has better and smarter players than us?
Port has a better team balance and two of the sharpest most accurate key forwards in the comp
So why bother emloyin a coach Thry?
So he can implement the change that we want to see. The players taking so long to respond is on them not the coach. Its not a complicated message that gets delivered but you have to be listening to hear it, and you need to be smart enough to understand it.
When have you labelled any of our group smart? How often do they kick to the low percentage option? Eddie betts vs Carlisle in the air or something equally stupid where Hendo is two on one against?
This is why its taking so long to get through to them.
So Port has better and smarter players than us?
I don't think they do Shades.
I'm convinced the secret to their success is a positive and enthusiastic coach, assistants, club pres and admin full of confidence about where they are going. They ALSO RATE THEIR LIST.
We have a negative coach with dodgy assistants coaches, fitness staff he doesn't rate a board and Pres with no answers and they've publicly TRASHED THE LIST.
Last time we met this team Waite kicked a lazy 7 goals out of the 10 we managed.
Yet all game that's right all game he plays defence while we struggle to put goals on the board. :-\
Not enough being said about this.
The team is insipid no doubt but MM is not half the coach he was.
I love his passion and loved watching him go mad every now and then when coaching the pies but his weekly demeanor suggests something is very wrong.
Standing in the box, hitting and throwing things, incorporative press conferences all point to a man who has lost control as its obvious he has no way of getting the success most thought he would. Being such a proud man he is so bloody frustrated he can't hide it. I think he took this gig quietly thinking he inherited a Geelong that with with him giving the odd spray and maybe just his presence he could get us further then our previous coach. WRONG.
So how do we buy ourself out of this one? Buying at the time the best player in the comp failed. Sacking our nutcase FF failed didnt do much. Sacking a past legend and buying the most expensive coach in the afl will ultimately be another fail.
We are in a heap of sh1t. Sorry but being a big player in this years draft is not going to fix this mess. It time to start again. Its not top up time. A heap of pain ahead. Murphy being our captain pretty much sums up what we are about. If he doesn't stand down at years end the club must make the decision for him.
I have been feeling in for the last 18 months so this is no knee jerk one bad loss reaction but I am over the afl and worse I'm over my team.
They both stand for nothing and treat supporters like fools.
Not anymore. Might still watch our game if I have nothing else going on but there will be no membership, no going to games, no watching daily rubbish footy shows-all this is gone for good.
Time to move on.
Shhh, Shawny people here get upset if you even think that the coach should take any blame for a wasted year ;)
Agree 100% on Waite sitting in defense all night, he frrrkn owned Carlisle in the last game >:(
When Malthouse got to this place he talked about the game plan and the players standing by him.
You have a much bigger issue than that Mick. This is as mentally weak group of players as you will see. They are ill-disciplined and do not work hard enough. We have also recruited precious little young talent over the last little bit so we also have a group that is somewhat entrenched in their ways.
Being predictable as it comes is only going to work if we have the hardest working side in the competition. Under Ratten, the opposition put numbers at the stoppages, crowded our space. Under Malthouse, they do the same thing but on the boundary line and for the next contest. The players don't work hard enough.
If we are going to hug the boundary, then we need to work hard to keep the ball trapped in that area of the ground. Our opposition does not find it difficult to open up our zone over the ground by making a switch or finding a dangerous man all by himself.
This is again a workrate issue.
The only hope I have is that Ross Lyon was able to take a pretty soft bellied team and make them work as hard as any group out there... twice. Good luck Mick.
Our game plan is to ignore fantastic attacking options through the middle and kick to one on ones down the boundary. The amount of time we have a great option and ignore it to go to a one on one is so frustrating aint no way that game plan is going to get you a premiership nowadays.
One problem I noticed is certain senior players ignore better options because of who the player is and this has been going on for years now. Scotland had Duigan on his own the centre square, ignored him and kicked it long and high to Marc Murphy who had to out mark his opponent. Murph has never taken a contested mark in his life.
Or it could have something to do with the gameplan, being to run the boundary line at all costs, take a risk in centering the ball and you're in the 2s . The reason we never had clean entries into our 50 is that the Cheats just ran to cover the boundaries every time, while the rest flood the centre and by the time we get there all the space is gone. Very frustrating to watch TBH!
Btw.....wtf was McInnes thinking in that last minute? Take the friggin' mark, compose yourself, ice the clock, give off a cheapie short-pass, a draw ensues (still not ideal, but better than a straight out loss). Deadset panic-merchants.
....really undid all his good work this year for mine.
Yep - thought exactly the same thing. One action can undo so much. No composure & crapped himself.....was a disappointing moment in his young career, as I'm gonna remember him for this for a very long time. Unfair; possibly. Justified; absolutely.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Dominated the game largely. At one stage had 16 of the last 18 scoring shots. And lost the game of footy.
Just mentally inept. And nothing to fall back to when the going gets tough. This was Ratts biggest failing, yet 12 months on I see nothing has changed.
I guess we can write off the season now, most supporters were happy to anyway.
Twelve months on ...... same list, same Leopards, same spots !
I think that's very much a part of it Goat. Robbo was dropped for taking options through the middle wasn't he? Players like Yarran, Murphy, Gibbs et al need space to be at their best. I think Carrazzo's form and injury has been a big loss for us this year because he does work so hard both ways.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Dominated the game largely. At one stage had 16 of the last 18 scoring shots. And lost the game of footy.
Just mentally inept. And nothing to fall back to when the going gets tough. This was Ratts biggest failing, yet 12 months on I see nothing has changed.
I guess we can write off the season now, most supporters were happy to anyway.
Twelve months on ...... same list, same Leopards, same spots !
I don't disagree, but isn't the point of the coach to Change these spots. Ala Lyon at Fremantle?
Or during free agency, draft and trade period, do we have a coach not interested and a board divided about where we are at as a group?
In a way, we are worse off than the scum because they will still have a good side when Hird returns in 12 months time, better than ours anyway. In 12 months time we could be without Judd, Scotland, Carrazzo and even possibly Simpson. We will have zero leadership left at the club.
Fark you Carlton. You crape me to farking tears. I can only put up with so much crape in one lifetime. Go and get farked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shove this membership right up your farking collective a55es.
I hate you right at this very moment as much as I hate the very club that beat you tonight.
You could have made the finals and lost by a gazzilion points and I couldnt have given a ratsd tossbag but losing to this mob ...........go and get farked. I hate you. i now barrick for Richmond FFS. Suck on that you hopeless bunch of wannabees !!!!!
Simmo, you are a gem but the rest of you can go and get farked !!
BB you echo my thoughts from last night exactly, except the Richmond thing... reckon I'm going to get on the Gold Coast Suns.
In a way, we are worse off than the scum because they will still have a good side when Hird returns in 12 months time, better than ours anyway. In 12 months time we could be without Judd, Scotland, Carrazzo and even possibly Simpson. We will have zero leadership left at the club.
The annoying thing was that last night our average age and games played was higher than the dons.
I think we are paying the price for not playing the kids in '10 and '11 plus the not so savage list cuts in over the last 3 years.
There has been the wrong kind of pressure for the boys to perform.
Last time we met this team Waite kicked a lazy 7 goals out of the 10 we managed.
Yet all game that's right all game he plays defence while we struggle to put goals on the board. :-\
Not enough being said about this.
The team is insipid no doubt but MM is not half the coach he was.
I love his passion and loved watching him go mad every now and then when coaching the pies but his weekly demeanor suggests something is very wrong.
Standing in the box, hitting and throwing things, incorporative press conferences all point to a man who has lost control as its obvious he has no way of getting the success most thought he would. Being such a proud man he is so bloody frustrated he can't hide it. I think he took this gig quietly thinking he inherited a Geelong that with with him giving the odd spray and maybe just his presence he could get us further then our previous coach. WRONG.
So how do we buy ourself out of this one? Buying at the time the best player in the comp failed. Sacking our nutcase FF failed didnt do much. Sacking a past legend and buying the most expensive coach in the afl will ultimately be another fail.
We are in a heap of sh1t. Sorry but being a big player in this years draft is not going to fix this mess. It time to start again. Its not top up time. A heap of pain ahead. Murphy being our captain pretty much sums up what we are about. If he doesn't stand down at years end the club must make the decision for him.
I have been feeling in for the last 18 months so this is no knee jerk one bad loss reaction but I am over the afl and worse I'm over my team.
They both stand for nothing and treat supporters like fools.
Not anymore. Might still watch our game if I have nothing else going on but there will be no membership, no going to games, no watching daily rubbish footy shows-all this is gone for good.
Time to move on.
Shhh, Shawny people here get upset if you even think that the coach should take any blame for a wasted year ;)
Agree 100% on Waite sitting in defense all night, he frrrkn owned Carlisle in the last game >:(
Exactly, what are people so upset about.
Everyone has given Mick 12 months leeway so what does this loss matter. Can't have it both ways.
A question to the moderators of this forum and anyone else who might know, does anyone in authority at the club read this forum.
Mick claims he doesn't, but if some of the board do, I hope they accept the comments on here for what they are.
Firstly, they are our opportunity to vent.
But more importantly, they are our only real outlet as paid up members or even larger financial contributors through coterie groups, to let the powers that be at the club know, that what has been served up this year has been woeful.
WE want them to know that unlike James Hird, who last night took 1% responsibility for having his players injected with drugs, the side effects of which won't be known for years, they must accept 100% responsibility for the heartache and angst that they have provided us this year.
They must accept 100% responsibility for their lack of foresight, poor recruiting, and employment of skills coaches that don't have the ability or capacity to teach our players the skills of the game.
The buck stops at the top. For too long, CFC has been an old boys club. The anal orifice licking, has been sickening to watch.
There needs to be a complete clean out from the President down, and the Board needs to consist of hardened businessmen, dare I say it, of the calibre of Paul little, who don't settle for second best.
It's been a long 2013. I remember in 1964, our 100th year in the VFL, rather than uplift the club, we had our worst ever finish up to that point in time, finishing tenth.
I fear that unless radical action is taken, there will more of the same in our 150th. year.
Fark you Carlton. You crape me to farking tears. I can only put up with so much crape in one lifetime. Go and get farked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shove this membership right up your farking collective a55es.
I hate you right at this very moment as much as I hate the very club that beat you tonight.
You could have made the finals and lost by a gazzilion points and I couldnt have given a ratsd tossbag but losing to this mob ...........go and get farked. I hate you. i now barrick for Richmond FFS. Suck on that you hopeless bunch of wannabees !!!!!
Simmo, you are a gem but the rest of you can go and get farked !!
BB you echo my exact thoughts, except the Richmond thing... reckon I'm going to get on the Gold Coast Suns.
might be geelong for me. CFC is like an ex wife - lots of good memories, but cant put down the bottle
I think Malthouse/match committee/whoever made the call to bring in Joseph stuffed up. How many run with players did we have last night? This was magnified when McLean went down. We were breaking down along the wings because we had no option to kick to because our guys didn't want to leave who they were tagging.
TBH I don't know WTF MM was thinking bringing in Duigan and Joseph. They're not the future and they won't be here next year. Duigan cracked in hard at times and Joseph wasn't awful however, this is not in line with developing the side.
You miss the point, the Match Committee consists of Sticks Swan McKay MM and Wiley
Assuming the MC makes majority decisions, it is possible that MM and Wiley did not want Joseph at least.
We have a President and CEO that does Board and Football matters.
Carlton is a dinosaur.
Alot of assumptions that you, me and everyone here no fark all about. Happy to hear constructive criticism but suggesting stuff based on assumptions and possibility doesnt sit right with me.
Last time we met this team Waite kicked a lazy 7 goals out of the 10 we managed.
Yet all game that's right all game he plays defence while we struggle to put goals on the board. :-\
Not enough being said about this.
The team is insipid no doubt but MM is not half the coach he was.
I love his passion and loved watching him go mad every now and then when coaching the pies but his weekly demeanor suggests something is very wrong.
Standing in the box, hitting and throwing things, incorporative press conferences all point to a man who has lost control as its obvious he has no way of getting the success most thought he would. Being such a proud man he is so bloody frustrated he can't hide it. I think he took this gig quietly thinking he inherited a Geelong that with with him giving the odd spray and maybe just his presence he could get us further then our previous coach. WRONG.
So how do we buy ourself out of this one? Buying at the time the best player in the comp failed. Sacking our nutcase FF failed didnt do much. Sacking a past legend and buying the most expensive coach in the afl will ultimately be another fail.
We are in a heap of sh1t. Sorry but being a big player in this years draft is not going to fix this mess. It time to start again. Its not top up time. A heap of pain ahead. Murphy being our captain pretty much sums up what we are about. If he doesn't stand down at years end the club must make the decision for him.
I have been feeling in for the last 18 months so this is no knee jerk one bad loss reaction but I am over the afl and worse I'm over my team.
They both stand for nothing and treat supporters like fools.
Not anymore. Might still watch our game if I have nothing else going on but there will be no membership, no going to games, no watching daily rubbish footy shows-all this is gone for good.
Time to move on.
Shhh, Shawny people here get upset if you even think that the coach should take any blame for a wasted year ;)
Agree 100% on Waite sitting in defense all night, he frrrkn owned Carlisle in the last game >:(
Exactly, what are people so upset about.
Everyone has given Mick 12 months leeway so what does this loss matter. Can't have it both ways.
Who's everyone? I was expecting half a season to "adjust to the new gameplan", and then start noticing improvement but it's actually gone the other way :-\ . The Board expected "to strike in the next couple of years". Do you think we will be in a position "to strike" next year?
@goat
I agree with you mate. I had the same expectations but from round 1 the warning signs were there that not a lot has changed.
Many supporters are backing Mick just because its him, and the excuse is well he needs 12 months. Well if that is the case last nights result shouldn't matter to those who think that way.
Yet here we are with 14 or so pages of vitriol directed at everyone. Now I'm sure some of these posters are backing Mick's 3 year plan. So why so disappointed? Isn't this part off he Process?
I think we can safely dismiss 'the process' as a load of BS, don't think we'll be hearing Mick talk about that again.
@goat
I agree with you mate. I had the same expectations but from round 1 the warning signs were there that not a lot has changed.
Many supporters are backing Mick just because its him, and the excuse is well he needs 12 months. Well if that is the case last nights result shouldn't matter to those who think that way.
Yet here we are with 14 or so pages of vitriol directed at everyone. Now I'm sure some of these posters are backing Mick's 3 year plan. So why so disappointed? Isn't this part off he Process?
Do you believe we will be in a position to strike in 2015?
Do you believe we will be in a position to strike in 2015?
Only for the top 8
We need a couple of onfield leaders.
@goat
I agree with you mate. I had the same expectations but from round 1 the warning signs were there that not a lot has changed.
Many supporters are backing Mick just because its him, and the excuse is well he needs 12 months. Well if that is the case last nights result shouldn't matter to those who think that way.
Yet here we are with 14 or so pages of vitriol directed at everyone. Now I'm sure some of these posters are backing Mick's 3 year plan. So why so disappointed? Isn't this part off he Process?
Do you believe we will be in a position to strike in 2015?
more like stroke
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Got tired of reading all the rants and decided to stop at the first post that best described the situation. 8 pages before I came across it. You can say all you like about how p!ssweak we were but the truth is they were contesting, they were putting in and they were having a crack. We are just not good enough. The writing was on the wall as soon as our 'gun' inclusion Duigan missed his first 2 sprays/shots on goal and when Brock went down. By the time the 3rd quarter came around 4 goals
8 was no surprise and the last quarter fadeout was inevitable. God awful result but lets face it unless the CFC plays at it's optimum level for 100% of the time these results are going to be as common as bird droppings.
@Goat
Mate, I don't think anyone can really answer that question until we've seen what happens with FA/Trade/Drafts. We need to be very very busy in all of these.
@goat
I agree with you mate. I had the same expectations but from round 1 the warning signs were there that not a lot has changed.
Many supporters are backing Mick just because its him, and the excuse is well he needs 12 months. Well if that is the case last nights result shouldn't matter to those who think that way.
Yet here we are with 14 or so pages of vitriol directed at everyone. Now I'm sure some of these posters are backing Mick's 3 year plan. So why so disappointed? Isn't this part off he Process?
Do you believe we will be in a position to strike in 2015?
Not with the current coaching set up... Nope
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Got tired of reading all the rants and decided to stop at the first post that best described the situation. 8 pages before I came across it. You can say all you like about how p!ssweak we were but the truth is they were contesting, they were putting in and they were having a crack. We are just not good enough. The writing was on the wall as soon as our 'gun' inclusion Duigan missed his first 2 sprays/shots on goal and when Brock went down. By the time the 3rd quarter came around 4 goals 8 was no surprise and the last quarter fadeout was inevitable. God awful result but lets face it unless the CFC plays at it's optimum level for 100% of the time these results are going to be as common as bird droppings.
Both spot on. I would also add that being not good enough includes being not mentally tough enough or physically fit enough to play/compete at the level required in today's football.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Got tired of reading all the rants and decided to stop at the first post that best described the situation. 8 pages before I came across it. You can say all you like about how p!ssweak we were but the truth is they were contesting, they were putting in and they were having a crack. We are just not good enough. The writing was on the wall as soon as our 'gun' inclusion Duigan missed his first 2 sprays/shots on goal and when Brock went down. By the time the 3rd quarter came around 4 goals 8 was no surprise and the last quarter fadeout was inevitable. God awful result but lets face it unless the CFC plays at it's optimum level for 100% of the time these results are going to be as common as bird droppings.
Both spot on. I would also add that being not good enough includes being not mentally tough enough or physically fit enough to play/compete at the level required in today's football.
Exactly Cookie.
The only way I can accept this is if this becomes "watershed" day and vowing this type of sh1t will never happen again. Much like Geelong in 2007 after round 5 in where they sat 2-3 after another p1ss poor loss.
Other than that I want a complete review club and changes made because this simply isn't good enough. Work ethic, attitude, culture that IS the problem in our club. We can play alright but simply don't want it badly enough and not willing to work for it.
@goat
I agree with you mate. I had the same expectations but from round 1 the warning signs were there that not a lot has changed.
Many supporters are backing Mick just because its him, and the excuse is well he needs 12 months. Well if that is the case last nights result shouldn't matter to those who think that way.
Yet here we are with 14 or so pages of vitriol directed at everyone. Now I'm sure some of these posters are backing Mick's 3 year plan. So why so disappointed? Isn't this part off he Process?
Do you believe we will be in a position to strike in 2015?
Not with the current coaching set up... Nope
Same, I'd expect as much change to the coaches as to the list.
@goat
I agree with you mate. I had the same expectations but from round 1 the warning signs were there that not a lot has changed.
Many supporters are backing Mick just because its him, and the excuse is well he needs 12 months. Well if that is the case last nights result shouldn't matter to those who think that way.
Yet here we are with 14 or so pages of vitriol directed at everyone. Now I'm sure some of these posters are backing Mick's 3 year plan. So why so disappointed? Isn't this part off he Process?
Do you believe we will be in a position to strike in 2015?
Not with the current coaching set up... Nope
Our list is now light-years behind about 10 other lists (and that's being conservative). Whether it was Mick not doing his homework or the Club powers-that-be at their spin-talk best, but Mick arrives at the Club & suddenly, due to so many chumps on cushy contracts, is totally & utterly hamstrung in what he could & couldn't do with the list.....the status quo remained & now look at us, another year wasted carrying all the usual suspects....and we fall behind, yet again, as teams all around us unearth future 200 gamers, as we go another year without even the hint of a NAB Rising Star nomination.
The list stinks, 'cos the Club over-rated too many on it & that's without even touching on our recent train-wreck draft selections. With so many chumps now able to be offloaded, Mick gets one almighty shot in this off-season to at least set this list onto a corrected course.....so don't fcuk it up!!!
I had to work last night and relied on occasional updates from mates. Once I learned that Walker & Kruezer were late outs, replaced by Duigs and Joseph, I expected that they would jibb their way to a loss.
Not interested in watching the replay, I read a few game reviews when I got home and found myself to be strangely calm. This morning I thought I'd look at the aftermath on the board and realised that I feel nothing... not angry, not disappointed, nothing.... And its just hit me that my passion for the once mighty CFC has been beaten into submission and is now gone. I can do this no more. :-[
Not fit enough!!
Too many fade out, too often overrun.
You can look mentally soft when you are physically weaker than the opposition. They have no belief in their ability to run out a game.
They need to have the off season mantra of 'fittest and strongest' in preparation for 2014.
Dick always said get the best, now find the best conditioning coach in the business here or OS.
Dick always said get the best, now find the best conditioning coach in the business here or OS.
The Weapon?...lol!
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Got tired of reading all the rants and decided to stop at the first post that best described the situation. 8 pages before I came across it. You can say all you like about how p!ssweak we were but the truth is they were contesting, they were putting in and they were having a crack. We are just not good enough. The writing was on the wall as soon as our 'gun' inclusion Duigan missed his first 2 sprays/shots on goal and when Brock went down. By the time the 3rd quarter came around 4 goals 8 was no surprise and the last quarter fadeout was inevitable. God awful result but lets face it unless the CFC plays at it's optimum level for 100% of the time these results are going to be as common as bird droppings.
Both spot on. I would also add that being not good enough includes being not mentally tough enough or physically fit enough to play/compete at the level required in today's football.
Exactly Cookie.
*sigh*....another with the "We're not good enough" crap as the sole excuse....but then you also go on & (correctly mind you) agree with Cookie in regards to being mentally weak.....so which is it rocky? Btw, not having a crack also equates to not running hard enough both ways, not working hard enough to create opportunities for your teammates, not ensuring you've covered all bases around the stoppages, not sticking diligently to your opponent. Generally when you lose a game of footy, it's because a team wasn't good enough - yeah, we all get that already....how bout we take the simplicity out of it & dig a bit deeper than that, as it was there for all to see last night.
Who was Goddard's opponent last night btw?
I had to work last night and relied on occasional updates from mates. Once I learned that Walker & Kruezer were late outs, replaced by Duigs and Joseph, I expected that they would jibb their way to a loss.
Not interested in watching the replay, I read a few game reviews when I got home and found myself to be strangely calm. This morning I thought I'd look at the aftermath on the board and realised that I feel nothing... not angry, not disappointed, nothing.... And its just hit me that my passion for the once mighty CFC has been beaten into submission and is now gone. I can do this no more. :-[
The reason you feel the sense of calm Zed is for the very reason you mentioned; you did not have to witness the game.....if you wish to remain clam, never ever watch that game.....ever. I also wish I'd missed the game, but alas, it's too late for me.....*sigh*, the horror will live with me forever......
The only way I can accept this is if this becomes "watershed" day and vowing this type of sh1t will never happen again. Much like Geelong in 2007 after round 5 in where they sat 2-3 after another p1ss poor loss.
Other than that I want a complete review club and changes made because this simply isn't good enough. Work ethic, attitude, culture that IS the problem in our club. We can play alright but simply don't want it badly enough and not willing to work for it.
We have been having them each year for a while!
@Brettie
The interesting thing for me Brettie is with that list you provided, which I agree with btw. For me, they are indicators or symptoms of not being good enough. The big question I have, and I don't expect you to provide an answer, is whether or not we can ever correct all of those deficiencies?
If our players are incapable of being rehabilitated then no coach can do that - if they are, then let's hope MM can. So far, the old ways seem hard to change and list changes look necessary.
I was at the game, our boys tried so I don't get the lack of effort comments. We're just not very good.
Dominated the game largely. At one stage had 16 of the last 18 scoring shots. And lost the game of footy.
Just mentally inept. And nothing to fall back to when the going gets tough. This was Ratts biggest failing, yet 12 months on I see nothing has changed.
I guess we can write off the season now, most supporters were happy to anyway.
Twelve months on ...... same list, same Leopards, same spots !
I don't disagree, but isn't the point of the coach to Change these spots. Ala Lyon at Fremantle?
Or during free agency, draft and trade period, do we have a coach not interested and a board divided about where we are at as a group?
You can't change them, if they don't want to change.
We lack depth and most of our 50 - 150 players as soft a mush.
Midfield is all to often crape and unaccountable.
I reckon Freo's list was always pretty good, they just lacked direction with the ex Essendon moron in charge. Ross will get out of them what St Kilda couldn't do.
We are getting more like the Saints.
@Brettie
The interesting thing for me Brettie is with that list you provided, which I agree with btw. For me, they are indicators or symptoms of not being good enough. The big question I have, and I don't expect you to provide an answer, is whether or not we can ever correct all of those deficiencies?
If our players are incapable of being rehabilitated then no coach can do that - if they are, then let's hope MM can. So far, the old ways seem hard to change and list changes look necessary.
True enough cookie - I guess the 'not good enough' tag is an amalgam of a lot of things, but I think they need to be specifically pointed out, because to some 'not good enough' means a couple of bad kicks, a couple of missed tackles, etc., when it's a lot deeper than that.
This upcoming off-season could arguably be one of Mick's greatest ever challenges since he took-up the coaching caper. He's in charge of the most under-performing of the traditional 'Big Four' Vic teams, he's had a year to study this list, he's got an uninterrupted off-season, (finally) some expired contracts & hopefully the green light to slash & burn. If he can't get it right now....we're fooked - even moreso.
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
Because Mick knows how to build a list and run a club.
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
A scapegoat was required.....Ratten fitted the bill, Mick was available, CFC have been obsessed with him being our coach ever since the late Richard Pratt decreed it.
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
Because Mick knows how to build a list and run a club.
If this is indeed the case (and admittedly has been proven), then 2014 is gonna be a VERY big year for Mick.....very big.
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
Because Mick knows how to build a list and run a club.
And where are we at 12 months in?
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
Because Mick knows how to build a list and run a club.
If this is indeed the case (and admittedly has been proven), then 2014 is gonna be a VERY big year for Mick.....very big.
Yes indeed - this is now very very apparent and as you stated earlier Brettie, probably Mick's biggest ever challenge.
Who was Goddard's opponent last night btw?
That's a good question. I thought it was Gibbs but I think he was on Watson for a large part of the night.
Irony - thy name is Carlton. I see that Pagan is quoted in today's paper as saying the AFL have learnt their lesson via the Carlton salary cap punishment and won't ever go so hard at any other team again.
Gosh, that's lucky. AFL: "Er, sorry old chaps. We fully didn't expect to push you into the crap for 20 years. No hard feelings, eh what."
*sigh*....another with the "We're not good enough" crap as the sole excuse....but then you also go on & (correctly mind you) agree with Cookie in regards to being mentally weak.....so which is it rocky? Btw, not having a crack also equates to not running hard enough both ways, not working hard enough to create opportunities for your teammates, not ensuring you've covered all bases around the stoppages, not sticking diligently to your opponent. Generally when you lose a game of footy, it's because a team wasn't good enough - yeah, we all get that already....how bout we take the simplicity out of it & dig a bit deeper than that, as it was there for all to see last night.
Sorry Brettie but trying to dig deep into all the problems we have as a team would take pages and pages and for all that effort what would it get me other than RSI? I guess what I'm saying is we're just not at the Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney level who if they play at 60% still win. All our planets need to be in alignment for us to get over the line and so little things like Brock going off or missing early shots on goal can have a dramatic impact.
Our deficiencies get highlighted by plenty on these pages they don't need me to bang on about how shizen we are and how Mick's a disaster and that Murph should step down. I'm just offering an opinion not trying to solve the problem, as if I ever could by posting something on a website.
Three other observations from yesterday's game (blood pressure coming down ... slowly).
1. Betts remonstrating with the umpire and telling him he was just trying "to get inside his [opponent] head". My old man always told me that if you argue with the umpire or get involved in sledging it's a sign that you're not concentrating or are 100% focused on the game. He was right.
2. Ryder's mark to kick that goal which put them in front made me wonder - when was the last time Warnock took an overhead mark?
3. Just watching that abysmal mixup between Simpson and McInnes again - sorry to say that was Simmo's fault (notwithstanding he shouldn't have had to crumb the ball in the first place because of McInnes' terrible panic attack). All he had to do was take one step to his left - McInnes at least was doing the right thing and trying to shepherd him to go that way.
Obviously MM could not go out there and kick goals for our players, but I am really becoming concerned if we have got the right coach. So few of our players have taken steps forward, with many treading water or going backwards.
Looks like our gameplay often consists of bombing it long, continually along the boundary. The pressure must be building for MM.
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
Because Mick knows how to build a list and run a club.
And where are we at 12 months in?
The underlying problems at Carlton run alot deeper than 12 months. Think MM worked out now what he has walked into. Years of underlying problems relating to work ethics, attitude and culture going back 12 years won't get fixed in a year. Years of not trying back and giving up easily in mid 2000's, tanking, etc.. means the white flag is easy to raise if it gets too hard. similar situation like for Parko in his first year back in 1991, after we lost our last 8, he cleaned the list out with blokes that wouldn't work, as well as those not up to it, got in bloke that would, built the list that way and won a flag 4 years later.
Key is to get the pride back into the place otherwise it'll all be like shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic. You're nothing without the "want" and pride.
The only way I can accept this is if this becomes "watershed" day and vowing this type of sh1t will never happen again. Much like Geelong in 2007 after round 5 in where they sat 2-3 after another p1ss poor loss.
Other than that I want a complete review club and changes made because this simply isn't good enough. Work ethic, attitude, culture that IS the problem in our club. We can play alright but simply don't want it badly enough and not willing to work for it.
We have been having them each year for a while!
the only watershed moment that's happening is when muphy takes a pi$$ in the edelsten sponsored urinal
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
Because Mick knows how to build a list and run a club.
If this is indeed the case (and admittedly has been proven), then 2014 is gonna be a VERY big year for Mick.....very big.
Yes indeed - this is now very very apparent and as you stated earlier Brettie, probably Mick's biggest ever challenge.
A mystery wrapped in an inigma is our team ATM. We are good enough to comprehensively win the scoring shot contest but still lose the game. We have destroyed three seasons under two coaches by having multi-consecutive-game brain fades that defy explanation, or at least have not been explained to supporters. So we are left to make guesses. No doubt MM has his work cut out addressing the mental weaknesses of the players and the team as a whole. He has to as there aren't no quick fixes any more and no demands for half the list to be chopped can change that.
From what I saw high in the northern stand last night and over recent games is that even some pretty good teams are having a hard time getting through us. The scum aren't that good but they have not been the only ones who've had players pirouetting for want of good options coming out of defence. Given that our boys can just about manage that, why are they so slow to pick up the rest of what's needed? Is it that, until this year for almost all, their only prolonged AFL experience of coaching was provided by Ratts? It might be one facet of a complex picture. Perhaps.
No doubt we need an injection of class and strength in the midfield and a couple of effective talks. But we need a better mindset at least as much.
@laj, good points especially regarding the early 90s.
Membership? Each to their own and no one should be too judgmental of the disillusioned. We've put up with a hell of a lot and the cohesion and spirit of striving for excellence we had in better days is missing. It won't return quickly or without unity and a lot of hard work. Certainly the club and the players especially need a stinging message that their stocks are dire with supporters. There may be a good way to do that. I'm sure there is some spark of realisation of that at Prinny Park. I'll be buying mine as usual next year.
the only watershed moment that's happening is when muphy takes a pi$$ in the edelsten sponsored urinal
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At least murphy is finally doing something then!
We tend to throw the toys out of the cot when we loose to this mob. Always have and always will!
@Swan43
Swan, you make a valid point that we do put pressure on teams in their D50 and make them work to break out. However, once they do get out and goal side of our fwd press then we are more often than not shot to pieces and our defence is left fully exposed because our mids can't or won't get back. I watch it time and time again.
The other major weakness is that we lack proper composure in defence leading to many panicky clearances and turnovers that put the opposition into dangerous attacking positions, often in the corridor right in front of goal - again, it happens all the time.
We give away a lot of goals like that, and if, as we did last night, we also squander our own hard-won chances, then it's an obvious recipe for a loss.
WHY didnt Waite go forward he has history against this mob and Hurley was having his way with him
WHY doesnt Gibbs play as an offence midfielder, not a run with and not a Half Back
WHY does a man who is 206cm tall not no how to take an overhead catch
WHY isnt Kade Simpson our Captain, simply sensational last night, lone hand.
WHY would any player of note want to come to Carlton
WHY is MM so crapty all the time when dealing with media. Grow up act your age and realise its part of
your job.
WHY when we are supposed to have a gameplan based on defence, do the opposition find so much
space.
Its now 3.45pm and ive just come out of the bedroom. Just too angry to speak to anyone!
Not fit enough!!
Too many fade out, too often overrun.
You can look mentally soft when you are physically weaker than the opposition. They have no belief in their ability to run out a game.
They need to have the off season mantra of 'fittest and strongest' in preparation for 2014.
Dick always said get the best, now find the best conditioning coach in the business here or OS.
Jamison in particular looked like he was dead set gonna die in the last qtr.
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
Because Mick knows how to build a list and run a club.
If this is indeed the case (and admittedly has been proven), then 2014 is gonna be a VERY big year for Mick.....very big.
I fear for his mental well being after accepting coaching this rabble.
As a CFC reserved seat, social club member for 26 years, buyer of umpteen expensive bloody raffle tickets, etc., etc., I deserve better than what I had to witness last night. It was disgusting!!!!
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
FMD, 9 times this year we have had to activate the sub in the first or second qtrs (4 in the 1st, 5 in the 2nd) and we have lost all 9 games.
As a CFC reserved seat, social club member for 26 years, buyer of umpteen expensive bloody raffle tickets, etc., etc., I deserve better than what I had to witness last night. It was disgusting!!!!
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Same with 43 years membership.... >:(
Why so upset everyone.?
Add Judd, Kreuzer, Walker, Garlett, McLean and whoever else was out and me may have just kicked the extra 7 behinds we needed :)
@goat
I agree with you mate. I had the same expectations but from round 1 the warning signs were there that not a lot has changed.
Many supporters are backing Mick just because its him, and the excuse is well he needs 12 months. Well if that is the case last nights result shouldn't matter to those who think that way.
Yet here we are with 14 or so pages of vitriol directed at everyone. Now I'm sure some of these posters are backing Mick's 3 year plan. So why so disappointed? Isn't this part off he Process?
Do you believe we will be in a position to strike in 2015?
Not with the current coaching set up... Nope
Our list is now light-years behind about 10 other lists (and that's being conservative). Whether it was Mick not doing his homework or the Club powers-that-be at their spin-talk best, but Mick arrives at the Club & suddenly, due to so many chumps on cushy contracts, is totally & utterly hamstrung in what he could & couldn't do with the list.....the status quo remained & now look at us, another year wasted carrying all the usual suspects....and we fall behind, yet again, as teams all around us unearth future 200 gamers, as we go another year without even the hint of a NAB Rising Star nomination.
The list stinks, 'cos the Club over-rated too many on it & that's without even touching on our recent train-wreck draft selections. With so many chumps now able to be offloaded, Mick gets one almighty shot in this off-season to at least set this list onto a corrected course.....so don't fcuk it up!!!
x2 with Karma...
There are so many insightful posts here since last night.
I said at the start and all year that all I wanted was Ruthless and Relentless. The club failed.
The club, from President to Northern Blues are not cutting it. I simply sat in amazement in my little seat in level 1 M35, looked at my brother in law and we shook our heads. Sadly I KNEW we would loose without being at least 40 points up at the start of the fourth. I just knew that our sub standard fitness levels would lead to stupid decisions or total capitulation by some, that poor skill levels, slow reactions, a lack of leadership and pride would lead us to a loss.
A few observations.
Murphy: I am ashamed to say I flamed him as much as some Bomber players. He should not have played last night. No willingness to go in hard, no speed off the mark, no penetration in kicking..he is clearly injured. It says as much about him as it does the MC that no one sat him down to say you aren't playing. In fact you should relinquish your captaincy for the good of the Squad. He needs to go to the doc, get fixed up and get set for next year.
Gameplan: how many times did the players force themselves to stop going the inside option, look up and have to WAIT for options along the boundary, before kicking Hail Marys to a Ready Bombers defence. I understand that the coach has a plan, but FFS the trust has to go both ways that if a player sees an opportunity to go inside that he should have license and clearance to do so. It kills me to see any of our player's natural instincts dulled down for the sake of a gameplan when we KNOW we do not have the cattle. Might as well go full out attack next week. Hell, at least it won't be dull.
The List: So many peacocks. Jesus H Christ. Either they have heart but lack the skills and poise (Armfield) or they are the opposite (Gibbs). I have had it with these players. Sheiks list is a good one and I am excited what MM will do to this list. Carte Blanche MM.
Coaching: MM should be given some good assistants to work with, as not only is our list under developed, but our recruitment is craphouse. We make people like Kommer look good :o
General: I will still buy my Membership because I cannot stop myself. I also think it is incorrect to simply state that we give MM one more year. It is more of a believe that the organisation as a whole needs a complete clear out. From President down. Only in such a revitalised environment, alongside trading pea hearts like Gibbs and giving MM whatever the hell he wants will this Club move forward. If MM has not got us forward, a lot, by 2014, under the above conditions, should we get a new coach. I will go to the AGM again and implore that a few of us should go together, would be interesting to trade thoughts afterwards.
I also had an interesting chat with a bloke sitting in front of me about his Sister and her Partner who are both Nurses and reading THAT Report. Apparently their eyes bulged when they saw the list of drugs on there. Interestingly, while it was very ironic that the guy who did not choose to get himself injected, Zaharakis, kicked the winning goal. the guy told me that Zaharakis was noted as coming home from training, worried about the mention of Peptides at the Club. They made him do 15km a day runs and doing such intensive leg weights sessions that his family had to carry up the stairs to bed each day because he couldn't walk anymore. Average weight gain over three months? 7kgs. The moment they stopped the drugs...small tissue injuries. Bodies were used to the juice and broke down as soon as they stopped the supply.
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In some small part I pity the players, it must be because I have a Son of my own, but then I remember that they are adults and my pity dissipates.
I do not want us in the Finals. I want a clean out of staff and players and a new President. I want our Club to be respected and Feared. Not mocked as a Has Been.
@Swan43
Swan, you make a valid point that we do put pressure on teams in their D50 and make them work to break out. However, once they do get out and goal side of our fwd press then we are more often than not shot to pieces and our defence is left fully exposed because our mids can't or won't get back. I watch it time and time again.
The other major weakness is that we lack proper composure in defence leading to many panicky clearances and turnovers that put the opposition into dangerous attacking positions, often in the corridor right in front of goal - again, it happens all the time.
We give away a lot of goals like that, and if, as we did last night, we also squander our own hard-won chances, then it's an obvious recipe for a loss.
Fair calls, Cookie. Personally reckon that while the lack of just one more functioning KPP would make a huge difference, the glaring deficiency is in the mids.
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
Because Mick knows how to build a list and run a club.
If this is indeed the case (and admittedly has been proven), then 2014 is gonna be a VERY big year for Mick.....very big.
I fear for his mental well being after accepting coaching this rabble.
Yeah, think about his retirement fund and you won't feel so bad :P
Who was Goddard's opponent last night btw?
That's a good question. I thought it was Gibbs but I think he was on Watson for a large part of the night.
Checked today & Goddard's opponent was Duigan......see ya Nick, ball-butcherer and cannot keep an opponent in check to save himself.
Overall, it was a pitiful performance, and whilst we played well (in patches) I fear that was more due to Essendon's weaknesses that it was with our enforcing our game plan ... if there was one.
I hate the expression, but it's nonetheless apt ... we didn't impose our authority on the game long enough or well enough to register a win. That can be exacerbated to some extent by decent conversion in the forward 50, but we're incapable of either setting up play well enough to take advantage of those opportunities and when we do, missing gift goals.
I've been a member / supporter since I don't know when, and this side lacks a lot. Leadership is almost non existent when Judd's absent (and yes, Murphy is NOT captaincy material, and more disturbingly, I think he knows it) and the club (or Murphy) should admit the error and replace him with Kade Simpson.
I cringe at the fact he's a left footer who's just as guilty at missing running shots more than most, but he's been simply outstanding this year. Courage personified.
One other player who's come under fire is Tom Bell. He's raw, he makes fundamental mistakes (and some of those courtesy of his teamates not covering / calling for him) but I have no doubt he's worth the investment. One body rattling effort against an opponent by him last nite convinced me he must be retained.
Where do we go from here? Dunno. But we do need a serious cleanout (assuming we have trade bait, targeted players and SC scope) and with some luck, we can finally see the back of some players (and yes, I'm looking at you Bryce Gibbs) who look to the club more than they do their contracts.
WHY would any player of note want to come to Carlton
This is a really relevant question. We want/have to get rid of our chumps.....but we have to get something positive to replace them - based on not just last night's, but most of our past month, what half-decent AFL player would want a sea-change at Carlton. We're gonna have to think outside the square instead, targeting players who have fallen out of favour/desperate for a 2nd chance elsewhere.....where the success rate isn't so rosey......*sigh*
Gameplan: how many times did the players force themselves to stop going the inside option, look up and have to WAIT for options along the boundary, before kicking Hail Marys to a Ready Bombers defence. I understand that the coach has a plan, but FFS the trust has to go both ways that if a player sees an opportunity to go inside that he should have license and clearance to do so. It kills me to see any of our player's natural instincts dulled down for the sake of a gameplan when we KNOW we do not have the cattle. Might as well go full out attack next week. Hell, at least it won't be dull.
Entire post was great Woodstock. Spot on. This ^^^ particularly resonates. Definitely seems to be a dislocation between what MM wants and what the players are capable of (or want). No wonder he goes so ballistic when Eddie, et al., try and do the cute instead of the team thing. Guess it took Lyon 18 months to get the Freo players singing from the same hymn sheet but, gee whizz, no comparison between the lists when it comes to talent.
Might have to get myself to that AGM. Still not sure what my voting rights are or whether en masse we can wield much influence.
Someone on another forum stated they'd heard that Luke Sayers didn't want the top job because of career commitments at PwC. That's disappointing as I reckon he's the success oriented, driven type of individual we need at the helm. But if that's the truth behind his reasoning then I'd say "feck off". Being on the board at Carlton is not supposed to be a hobby or a gig you use to tart up your resume. In fact, that sort of attitude (if true) simply mirrors the on field malaise we witness from most of the players every other week - i.e. "it's all too hard".
I remember both Aka and Ted Richards clearly stating that CFC was definitely not a destination. That was six years ago. Juddy was meant to have changed that perception. Clearly he didn't.
Remember when we used to be everybody's preferred choice of a flag in the twilight, Evans, Clarke, Wells, Williams...
Difference is that this lot of professionals, are in fact imposters, those older blokes were part time footballers, not the fancy, state of the art trained athletes parading in navy blue. More like the Parkville Blues, all booky and soft, not the blue collar hard arses from days gone by.
Anyway, why are we so despondent, Cam Mooney said we'd be crape, would take us a season to get to know the coach, and him one to judge the list. Tosser was right, maybe has a better perception of footy reality than any of us, would that really surprise anyone, how many premiership players do we really have on this site????
Yes last night was disappointing, I hate the scum more than anyone else, filth included. The text's haven't stopped all day. But am willing to give Mick his time, he has the score on the board. So deep breaths, clean out the dead wood once and for all, and reboot.
Gameplan: how many times did the players force themselves to stop going the inside option, look up and have to WAIT for options along the boundary, before kicking Hail Marys to a Ready Bombers defence. I understand that the coach has a plan, but FFS the trust has to go both ways that if a player sees an opportunity to go inside that he should have license and clearance to do so. It kills me to see any of our player's natural instincts dulled down for the sake of a gameplan when we KNOW we do not have the cattle. Might as well go full out attack next week. Hell, at least it won't be dull.
Entire post was great Woodstock. Spot on. This ^^^ particularly resonates. Definitely seems to be a dislocation between what MM wants and what the players are capable of (or want). No wonder he goes so ballistic when Eddie, et al., try and do the cute instead of the team thing. Guess it took Lyon 18 months to get the Freo players singing from the same hymn sheet but, gee whizz, no comparison between the lists when it comes to talent.
Might have to get myself to that AGM. Still not sure what my voting rights are or whether en masse we can wield much influence.
Someone on another forum stated they'd heard that Luke Sayers didn't want the top job because of career commitments at PwC. That's disappointing as I reckon he's the success oriented, driven type of individual we need at the helm. But if that's the truth behind his reasoning then I'd say "feck off". Being on the board at Carlton is not supposed to be a hobby or a gig you use to tart up your resume. In fact, that sort of attitude (if true) simply mirrors the on field malaise we witness from most of the players every other week - i.e. "it's all too hard".
Actually the guy bleeds Blue and openly admitted he could not commit to the job as much as he would want to. CEO rolls typically last four years, hence he is about half way through the gig. He's got the jib though, I've seem him in action at a PwC Roadshow. Was impressed.
Fair enough Big Jack.
Then I ask the Question again. Why pay out Ratts at $900k or whatever and bring in mick for $3 mill if we fundamentally can't improve the players we have. Seems like a waste of money... no?
Ratts was going nowhere but south, game plan flawed. We were too often on the wrong side of one sided smashings.
Pay him out, was the right thing to do. We were dating the wrong girl, don't be upset if she doesn't rock your world, move on.
There was not enough time to analyse and make judgement on Ratten's playing list at the changing of the battens.
Mick only had from early November due to his previous employment contracts (if memory serves correct) to review, there was not enough time to see who can and who can't. He certainly couldn't rely on others to make the decisions or take advice from, you only had to look at the list to see it aint going anywhere..
Different story at the end of 2013, I would hope, expect up to 9 to 12 plus delistings/trades, with some so called big CARLTON names to be dangled like a carrot come trade time. This free wheeling ego driven Metro Gen Y pretty boy club needs do harden the F*** up.
Shake up with the brainless assistants and fitness is also going to happen.
Our list is now light-years behind about 10 other lists (and that's being conservative). Whether it was Mick not doing his homework or the Club powers-that-be at their spin-talk best, but Mick arrives at the Club & suddenly, due to so many chumps on cushy contracts, is totally & utterly hamstrung in what he could & couldn't do with the list.....the status quo remained & now look at us, another year wasted carrying all the usual suspects....and we fall behind, yet again, as teams all around us unearth future 200 gamers, as we go another year without even the hint of a NAB Rising Star nomination.
The list stinks, 'cos the Club over-rated too many on it & that's without even touching on our recent train-wreck draft selections. With so many chumps now able to be offloaded, Mick gets one almighty shot in this off-season to at least set this list onto a corrected course.....so don't fcuk it up!!!
After castigating the playing list for so many years and getting torn to shreds because of it, to read so many posters now acknowledging that that the list is full of sub-standard players has near bought a tear to my eye !!
Henderson and Waite. The only swingmen in history who don't swing.
Our list is now light-years behind about 10 other lists (and that's being conservative). Whether it was Mick not doing his homework or the Club powers-that-be at their spin-talk best, but Mick arrives at the Club & suddenly, due to so many chumps on cushy contracts, is totally & utterly hamstrung in what he could & couldn't do with the list.....the status quo remained & now look at us, another year wasted carrying all the usual suspects....and we fall behind, yet again, as teams all around us unearth future 200 gamers, as we go another year without even the hint of a NAB Rising Star nomination.
The list stinks, 'cos the Club over-rated too many on it & that's without even touching on our recent train-wreck draft selections. With so many chumps now able to be offloaded, Mick gets one almighty shot in this off-season to at least set this list onto a corrected course.....so don't fcuk it up!!!
After castigating the playing list for so many years and getting torn to shreds because of it, to read so many posters now acknowledging that that the list is full of sub-standard players has near bought a tear to my eye !!
I just look at the other clubs and how they've developed(some have passed us) and some of the ones we laughed at, are now nipping on the heels
still pissed still raged not looking forward to work tomorrow
FK you cfc
FMD, 9 times this year we have had to activate the sub in the first or second qtrs (4 in the 1st, 5 in the 2nd) and we have lost all 9 games.
THIS...THIS...THIS SAYS SO VERY MUCH^^^^^.
THIS is an incredibly important post. How many other sides suffer the same yet dig deep and win against the odds???????? If our club has a psychologist - sack him/her.
If you look up the word 'fragile' in the dictionary, there is a photo of the (once) Mighty CFC.
Bravo, CTC.
A part of me likes that results like this happen (& dogs, saints, etc) because it reiterates just how poor our list and finals prospects are. We are mediocre! No sugar coating can change that. I hope the off season is brutal because we could be a decade plus away from premiership glory if we keep treading water like this. We've lost our edge and ruthlessness and have accepted mediocrity
Our list is now light-years behind about 10 other lists (and that's being conservative). Whether it was Mick not doing his homework or the Club powers-that-be at their spin-talk best, but Mick arrives at the Club & suddenly, due to so many chumps on cushy contracts, is totally & utterly hamstrung in what he could & couldn't do with the list.....the status quo remained & now look at us, another year wasted carrying all the usual suspects....and we fall behind, yet again, as teams all around us unearth future 200 gamers, as we go another year without even the hint of a NAB Rising Star nomination.
The list stinks, 'cos the Club over-rated too many on it & that's without even touching on our recent train-wreck draft selections. With so many chumps now able to be offloaded, Mick gets one almighty shot in this off-season to at least set this list onto a corrected course.....so don't fcuk it up!!!
After castigating the playing list for so many years and getting torn to shreds because of it, to read so many posters now acknowledging that that the list is full of sub-standard players has near bought a tear to my eye !!
Brother Sheik....Some of the blind faithfull wearing navy blue sunglasses and sitting behind the lady with the big hat(borrowing a line from my old mate Java Blue)still refuse to accept the list is substandard and want to blame all our woes on Mick Malthouse and hail Brett Ratten as a supercoach.....it was the latter who presided over the mess we have now and allowed the recruiting/list management to reach new levels of mediocrity...yep Chris Judd summed it up well ....a mediocre list.
You and I know its another rebuild from scratch or a miracle fix without bottoming out, and with experienced players along the lines of what the Swans might be able to recruit and weld into a fighting unit ....big ask for any coach to make the latter happen especially with a recruiting department that is clueless.......
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Easy to have a go at supporters who backed him and didn't back him....blah blah.
Fact is, we are minnows as supporters, almost lemmings according to the marketing dept - to use a vernacular - sold a size 8 girl 21 and DD and what is ...well vastly different (use your imagination)
If the club told me and all of you - its going to be hard, we're developing, probably wont play finals, but stick with us, we need you- it would be somewhat unfair to have a go at the CFC.
We were lied to - at worst, definitively misled. They have heads in that club paid copious amounts of money for some very average output -
I like what I heard from Bredan McCartney recently, he said we're developing, and when we get there, it'll be sustained. I haven't heard any talk like that at CFC
I attempted to get us to address the fact that we have been irrelevant since 1995 (with my subject of this CFC being the worst in our modern history... and today remain even moreson) some weeks ago.
We trained in-doors two weeks ago because it was raining. I wonder how often the Fluffy Ducks, Pussy Cats, D1ckers, Dawks and even Rottingwood do the same?
Have our mega sophisticated ammenities softened our girls? Have we bred a culture of status and sophistication that dislikes getting dirty hands? Have we become the club to go to for lots of loot and really classy facilities? I believe we even use our facilities to entice blokes to come to our club... oh, yes, come to 'cushy.com.' You get these really cool things to help you recover... and free gel for your hair!!!
I attempted to get us to address the fact that we have been irrelevant since 1995 (with my subject of this CFC being the worst in our modern history... and today remain even moreson) some weeks ago.
We trained in-doors two weeks ago because it was raining. I wonder how often the Fluffy Ducks, Pussy Cats, D1ckers, Dawks and even Rottingwood do the same?
Have our mega sophisticated ammenities softened our girls? Have we bred a culture of status and sophistication that dislikes getting dirty hands? Have we become the club to go to for lots of loot and really classy facilities? I believe we even use our facilities to entice blokes to come to our club... oh, yes, come to 'cushy.com.' You get these really cool things to help you recover... and free gel for your hair!!!
And don't forget the heated toilets! ::)
I attempted to get us to address the fact that we have been irrelevant since 1995 (with my subject of this CFC being the worst in our modern history... and today remain even moreson) some weeks ago.
We trained in-doors two weeks ago because it was raining. I wonder how often the Fluffy Ducks, Pussy Cats, D1ckers, Dawks and even Rottingwood do the same?
Have our mega sophisticated ammenities softened our girls? Have we bred a culture of status and sophistication that dislikes getting dirty hands? Have we become the club to go to for lots of loot and really classy facilities? I believe we even use our facilities to entice blokes to come to our club... oh, yes, come to 'cushy.com.' You get these really cool things to help you recover... and free gel for your hair!!!
And don't forget the heated toilets! ::)
or the camera room that sees the injuries before they come.
(why did walker miss the game again?)
Our training facilities now rule the club. Seems our blokes would rather be in with the training facilities than out on the ground... and what would be the result of that? Just look at the ladder.
Thanks for a ba$tard of a weekend CFC. Like many others - but this one hurt the most
go and FK urselves.
i'm giving my money to a charity that needs it next year. No More money from me EVER!
You owe me big time. FK ur sanctimonious stick with us BS. Been listening to that crape for 10 years.
Go FK urself sticks and your 2 premierships before 2015. useless cnt. U were a stand in prez at best, now fk off.
3/4 of the board, go back to your daddies, the CFC supporters doesn't need you.
Who was Goddard's opponent last night btw?
That's a good question. I thought it was Gibbs but I think he was on Watson for a large part of the night.
Checked today & Goddard's opponent was Duigan......see ya Nick, ball-butcherer and cannot keep an opponent in check to save himself.
No Gibbs had Goddard for some time...
Who was Goddard's opponent last night btw?
That's a good question. I thought it was Gibbs but I think he was on Watson for a large part of the night.
Checked today & Goddard's opponent was Duigan......see ya Nick, ball-butcherer and cannot keep an opponent in check to save himself.
No Gibbs had Goddard for some time...
Not as much as Duigan, Gibbs had Jobe for a lot of the time.
Our training facilities now rule the club. Seems our blokes would rather be in with the training facilities than out on the ground... and what would be the result of that? Just look at the ladder.
Collingwood (and Malthouse) had facilities (both IT and training) streaks ahead of the rest of the competition and it was a big contributor to their success.
We just need to add the phases of the moon and you've managed to find just about everything to blame except the pony you backed :P
Who was Goddard's opponent last night btw?
That's a good question. I thought it was Gibbs but I think he was on Watson for a large part of the night.
Checked today & Goddard's opponent was Duigan......see ya Nick, ball-butcherer and cannot keep an opponent in check to save himself.
No Gibbs had Goddard for some time...
Not as much as Duigan, Gibbs had Jobe for a lot of the time.
Ratts tried to harness every positive out of our list, whilst MM has exposed it to all manner of AFL pressure. The former provided perceived opportunity whilst the latter dealt in reality, hence here we are.
Our training facilities now rule the club. Seems our blokes would rather be in with the training facilities than out on the ground... and what would be the result of that? Just look at the ladder.
Collingwood (and Malthouse) had facilities (both IT and training) streaks ahead of the rest of the competition and it was a big contributor to their success.
We just need to add the phases of the moon and you've managed to find just about everything to blame except the pony you backed :P
Easier than facing the truth.
But there's always hope.
Maybe we limp into 9th, get a gift from the AFL and beat the Tiges in the first final.
All of a sudden MM is equal to anything we've done in more than a decade.
But he has failed this year, to this point.
Who was Goddard's opponent last night btw?
That's a good question. I thought it was Gibbs but I think he was on Watson for a large part of the night.
Checked today & Goddard's opponent was Duigan......see ya Nick, ball-butcherer and cannot keep an opponent in check to save himself.
No Gibbs had Goddard for some time...
Not as much as Duigan, Gibbs had Jobe for a lot of the time.
Gibba never had Goddard, he played his usual run with role on Jobe. Duigan had Goddard for the entire game, even followed him to the bench.
Dear Sticks and the Board,
Can we have our footy club back please?
Thanks,
Cookie.
Our training facilities now rule the club. Seems our blokes would rather be in with the training facilities than out on the ground... and what would be the result of that? Just look at the ladder.
Collingwood (and Malthouse) had facilities (both IT and training) streaks ahead of the rest of the competition and it was a big contributor to their success.
We just need to add the phases of the moon and you've managed to find just about everything to blame except the pony you backed :P
Easier than facing the truth.
But there's always hope.
Maybe we limp into 9th, get a gift from the AFL and beat the Tiges in the first final.
All of a sudden MM is equal to anything we've done in more than a decade.
But he has failed this year, to this point.
Failed badly imo - the point I'd almost prefer Ratts! ???
Our training facilities now rule the club. Seems our blokes would rather be in with the training facilities than out on the ground... and what would be the result of that? Just look at the ladder.
Collingwood (and Malthouse) had facilities (both IT and training) streaks ahead of the rest of the competition and it was a big contributor to their success.
We just need to add the phases of the moon and you've managed to find just about everything to blame except the pony you backed :P
Easier than facing the truth.
But there's always hope.
Maybe we limp into 9th, get a gift from the AFL and beat the Tiges in the first final.
All of a sudden MM is equal to anything we've done in more than a decade.
But he has failed this year, to this point.
It would be naive to think or say us making the finals by default is an achievement.
Gibba never had Goddard, he played his usual run with role on Jobe. Duigan had Goddard for the entire game, even followed him to the bench.
Gibbs played on Goddard for some time.
Gibba never had Goddard, he played his usual run with role on Jobe. Duigan had Goddard for the entire game, even followed him to the bench.
Gibbs played on Goddard for some time.
I never saw them matched up at all. Goddard played down back for the majority, Duigan was with him.
Gibba never had Goddard, he played his usual run with role on Jobe. Duigan had Goddard for the entire game, even followed him to the bench.
Gibbs played on Goddard for some time.
I never saw them matched up at all. Goddard played down back for the majority, Duigan was with him.
Was sitting behind the IC gate and can confirm Duigan rotated with Goddard for the bulk of occasions. Duigan was effective in the first quarter and caused Goddard to be dragged depth in defense. After 1/4 time Bumbers let Goddard run free and Duigan became less effective, the problem though wasn't really Duigan. The problem seemed we had no viable marking target besides Henderson in F50, nobody presenting very little forward movement. Often they kicked to Hendo in 3 on 1 situations. The loss of Walker and Kreuzer before game cooked our balance.
For me this is a real weakness at our club, the situation remains unchanged since Ratten was replaced. We have no smart ball users going inside F50, our decision making is generally quite poor. I'd be giving our forward coaches the flick at the earliest possible opportunity.
I never saw them matched up at all. Goddard played down back for the majority, Duigan was with him.
Unless you were watching Goddard for 100% of the time you can't for sure know who was playing on him for the entire game.
First off, we had 7 of our best 22 not playing, then Brock Maclean went down in the first quarter. Second, except for 20 mins in the second quarter and about 10 minutes in the last, we played all over them. Finally, it was only when we decided to knock Simpson out, the only Carlton player actually trying to win the game for us, did Essendon get over the top of us.
Our goal kicking was appalling. It wasn't just the 22 behinds, but also the large number of total misses. Can someone please explain what Armfield was doing just before half time. I happened to get to the ground early this week and saw both of the warm ups. The worrying thing for me that they were missing shots at goal in the first warm up, and then they went in and got changed into their gear and came out and continued to miss shots at goal. Then the played the same way throughour the match. Could someone please esplain to the players that practicing doing something does make it better. You need to practice doing things right to improve. In other words it is no point practicing your goal kicking if you are not practicing kicking goals. Did anyone in the coaching panel, like the forward coach, notice the players were missing shots at goal in the warm ups and then take them aside to fix the problem. Everone seemed to busy being pally with the Essendon coaching group.
The worst thing about Saturday's result is that it has vindicated Essendon's behaviour. They will be thinking that if the gods thought what they were doing was wrong then they would punish them. This result will only encourage them to not take responsibility for the despicable acts they have been engaged in and encourage the belief that they are the victims in all of this. It is going to take me a long to forgive Carlton for Saturday's performance.
Gibba never had Goddard, he played his usual run with role on Jobe. Duigan had Goddard for the entire game, even followed him to the bench.
Gibbs played on Goddard for some time.
To be honest, I'm getting sick of our no.1 pick having to play "run with" roles. What about the part where others do "run with" roles on our no.1 pick. We might get better footy out of him then .
Gibba never had Goddard, he played his usual run with role on Jobe. Duigan had Goddard for the entire game, even followed him to the bench.
Gibbs played on Goddard for some time.
To be honest, I'm getting sick of our no.1 pick having to play "run with" roles. What about the part where others do "run with" roles on our no.1 pick. We might get better footy out of him then .
It's what we've made him unfortunately Jimbo. He hasn't developed his game as a midfielder therefore he hasn't become one. Ratts is to blame for this IMO but perhaps there are certain flaws in Bryce's game that we can't pick up that the coaches do. It certainly didn't take Malthouse long to play him in the same defensive roles as Ratts had previously done. Weird thing is he looks so dangerous and damaging when he gets the ball forward of the middle.
When I read this forum I cannot help but think a lot of people comment based on Stats.
And I read today that analysis centers like Final Siren, Dream Team and others have the likes of Warnock, Yarran and Bell rated highly. While they were heavily involved in play the effectiveness and efficiency of their possessions leaves me dead cold.
So here is my top five things to get yourself some ratings;
- Tap the ball directly to an opponent.
- Kick the ball to hopelessly outnumbered team mates.
- Get pinned trying to break tackles.
- Run around the contest as much as possible.
- Play for soft free kicks.
And if they were our highest rated players, where does that leave the rest???
Gibbs is a natural midfielder. We just choose to play him as a half back or run with. Was a lot of hype at start of year that mm would let him become the offensive midfielder he should be. In reality it's more of the same from mm, we def don't do the guy any favours
Will get howled out of the Forum for this.....but I counted at least 8 of Simmo's kicks going straight to Bomber players..yes he was clearly our best and most courageous player..unquestioned from me>>but Simmo's disposal is symptomatic of why we are a mediocre 8-9th team.....looping chipped kicks with too much hang time for opposition teams to read and intercept....have a look at Hawthorns kicking skills...the current industry standard....they hit low hard passes that a) get from a to b quicker and b) cut the opposition player from getting in for the spoil/intercept......our field kicking skills suck let alone our goal kicking...maybe they go hand in hand....do we have a kicking skills coach? If so he should be sacked......
Also can someone take hold of Levi for 6 months of special basic kicking skills training in summer?
Just a few simple thoughts...maybe the Elephant in the room?
Will get howled out of the Forum for this.....but I counted at least 8 of Simmo's kicks going straight to Bomber players....
Gags - I haven't got the stats, but unless Simmo is shown as having committed 8 clangers, then you will be roundly proven to be incorrect with that call.
Happy to stand corrected Brettie...just my observations at the game...depends how a clanger is classed I probably included some contested marks where Bomber players outmarked our guys so probably on the harsh side....just was an irritating trait that left an impression..no probs but I stand by my other comments on our general kicking skills
Simmo wasnt the lone ranger there thou.
The whole bloody team were kicking high loopy kicks all freaking night. U 16's stuff FFS.
I can understand when you have nothing to kick to but an opposition defender.....sure .Kick it as high as buggery to allow our players time to get to the contest. But how many bloody times did we kick it to contests that we were outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1?????
I'm another that will not put my hard earned into this club next year.
Not until I see our team playing with the passion , desparation and never say die attitude that I had come accustomed to watching, in a team wearing the Navy Blue.
Happy to stand corrected Brettie...just my observations at the game...depends how a clanger is classed I probably included some contested marks where Bomber players outmarked our guys so probably on the harsh side....just was an irritating trait that left an impression..no probs but I stand by my other comments on our general kicking skills
All good Gags, just that overall any bad Simmo may have done on the night in that regard (and he is very much guilty of a weekly howler) was far outweighed by his good....and the bad of others.....
Who'd you tip Brettie?
According to Caro on FC MM was told not to say anything about the scum in the lead up to the game and our players were apparently muzzled on the field and told not to sledge. Who is giving this directive? Surely it should be up to the coach what is said out on the field?
According to Caro on FC MM was told not to say anything about the scum in the lead up to the game and our players were apparently muzzled on the field and told not to sledge. Who is giving this directive? Surely it should be up to the coach what is said out on the field?
That explains it PI2C - I was expecting a few on field fireworks but it all seemed pretty relaxed out there to me. In fact the atmosphere generally at the game, at least where I was sitting, seemed pretty flat and I actually had a bit of a chat myself with some Bummer fans before the game in the bar.
We have literally managed to bumble 3 close games in the dying this year. Richmond round 1, running into goals and missing, bumbling at the death in round 11 against Essendon, then on top of bad kicking, McInnes idiotic fk up with half a minute to go, punching wgen he should've mark, then wiping out Simmo to allow for the winner to be kicked. Could've got McInnes and stung him up.
Even a draw would've shored up 9th spot but no, some idiot had to fk up again.
Like I said, in the previous Bummers game it was Simon White, this time, enter McInnes with a horrid couple of blunders at the most crucial stage.
According to Caro on FC MM was told not to say anything about the scum in the lead up to the game and our players were apparently muzzled on the field and told not to sledge. Who is giving this directive? Surely it should be up to the coach what is said out on the field?
WTF?? It is open slather out on the field (unless racist), gee talk about being a nanny state and not wanting to hurt someones feelings :P
I think the thread title needs to change from"Injectors" to "Jabbers".
Had a gutfull last night over the gushing over Essendon, saying how it was a stirring come from behind victory blah, blah blah, blah.
Carlton lost the game, Essendon did not win it!
How any self respecting AFL commentator can look at 10 more shots on goal and think Essendon played well is kidding themselves.
Am kinda glad it was not on fta tv in sa.
Play kids, use our picks wisely.
We should also withdraw from finals if we are still sitting 9th come next Monday (assuming the jabbers cop their first round of penalties).
@Ray
Ray I was chatting to some Bummer fans on the train going home after the game and even they said exactly the same thing - Carlton threw it away.
Have read about 2 post's of this thread, I don't want to re-live it.
I don't think I have ever been so angry in my life than after this game.
I hate losing to Essendumb at the best of times, but as things are at the moment ....
It wasn't just the appalling kicking for goal, the bigger issue for me was that when the game was in the balance and up for grabs in the last qtr, we did not even give a whimper.
Pathetic.
No point saying much more, it's probably already been said.
Had a gutfull last night over the gushing over Essendon, saying how it was a stirring come from behind victory blah, blah blah, blah.
Carlton lost the game, Essendon did not win it!
How any self respecting AFL commentator can look at 10 more shots on goal and think Essendon played well is kidding themselves.
How many of us were expecting us to lose at 3/4 time. I wasn't at all surprised it happened.
TBH the thing that struck me was seeing highlights of it on the Sunday Footy Show the next morning. Usually I'd switch it off and wouldn't be able to handle it but I sat there and watched and it dawned on me. I don't give as much of a fk any more. The club has pi55ed me off to the point where i don't get as beat up over a loss, it doesn't mean as much to me.
Had a gutfull last night over the gushing over Essendon, saying how it was a stirring come from behind victory blah, blah blah, blah.
Carlton lost the game, Essendon did not win it!
How any self respecting AFL commentator can look at 10 more shots on goal and think Essendon played well is kidding themselves.
How many of us were expecting us to lose at 3/4 time. I wasn't at all surprised it happened.
Most of us have seen this thing happen before. Even I was saying we will lose this while the kids were convinced we would win. How can you lose dad being 22 points up.
First off, we had 7 of our best 22 not playing, then Brock Maclean went down in the first quarter. Second, except for 20 mins in the second quarter and about 10 minutes in the last, we played all over them. Finally, it was only when we decided to knock Simpson out, the only Carlton player actually trying to win the game for us, did Essendon get over the top of us.
Pretty much agree with that - we did more than enough to win this game by 5 or 6 goals.
I remember David Parkin a few years back talking about his time in footy as a player, coach, commentator and mentor. He said that every single aspect and skill required of an AFL player had improved considerably over his time in the game, except goal kicking.