After a year of honorable losses, we now have an honorable draw. Progress !!
Very good fightback by the boys. Both teams had their chances to win.In the context of the game, a fair result. On to next year.
Should've punched it through..
Watching Watson the last 2 weeks he has really looked like a forward.
Simon White... To keep or not to keep? He's never going to be a star.......
Simon White... To keep or not to keep? He's never going to be a star.......
Personally think he's shown enough improvement (just by a whisker) to be given the benefit of the doubt. Mick seems to like these average players that he can take on as projects.
Simon White... To keep or not to keep? He's never going to be a star.......
Not a star but works hard and has size and courage. More than I can say for many others on the list.
Simon White... To keep or not to keep? He's never going to be a star.......
Blue collar worker who has been set a task each week and has been ok. 'It's a yes from me!'
Simon White... To keep or not to keep? He's never going to be a star.......
He's not a star but earned his stripes this year. Actually like to get Frawley as a free agent, put him at full back and let Jammo be the 3rd tall now he's getting older.
Happy with that after being 30 down halfway throughthe 3rd term
Plenty of outs too, so huge upside going into Pre season
We need a big trade/draft period
To draw with the drug cheats without Walker, Murphy, Buckley, Kreuzer, Robbo, Henderson, Everitt, Thomas is a good effort. Got more depth than we think going by the last quite a few weeks (pretending last week didn't happen). We pumped them for 3 qtrs but WTF was that 2nd qtr?!!!!!
How much is Gibbs getting paid? >:(
How could he run too close to the man on the mark with his years of experience?
Shocking from our soon to be B&F.
I didn't mind that the ball wasn't rushed through by us. The players would have known the was fk all time left but 15 seconds is more than enough to go coast to coast. Gibbs should have nailed it....end of story.
FFS what a wasted year in terms of development, Watson could have been playing for at least the last 10 or so rounds.
How much is Gibbs getting paid? >:(
How could he run too close to the man on the mark with his years of experience?
Shocking from our soon to be B&F.
I didn't mind that the ball wasn't rushed through by us. The players would have known the was fk all time left but 15 seconds is more than enough to go coast to coast. Gibbs should have nailed it....end of story.
You have got to be kidding?
He was 55 out late in the game and you say you didnt mind out forwards punching it thru for a behind to lead the game with 15 seconds on the clock. Surely that's a joke.
We are the dumbest team in the comp.
This game was yet another example of game on the line dumb decisions that our team seems to make more then any other team
No confidence at all wih out boys when game is on the line late in the game.
This game summed our season up. How many times have I said that we're never safe when 5 goals up but never out of it when 5 goals down. We had both in the same game and ended up a draw..lol.
How much is Gibbs getting paid? >:(
How could he run too close to the man on the mark with his years of experience?
Shocking from our soon to be B&F.
I didn't mind that the ball wasn't rushed through by us. The players would have known the was fk all time left but 15 seconds is more than enough to go coast to coast. Gibbs should have nailed it....end of story.
You have got to be kidding?
He was 55 out late in the game and you say you didnt mind out forwards punching it thru for a behind to lead the game with 15 seconds on the clock. Surely that's a joke.
We are the dumbest team in the comp.
This game was yet another example of game on the line dumb decisions that our team seems to make more then any other team
No confidence at all wih out boys when game is on the line late in the game.
Brother, if he was 55m out, then the man ran over the mark. He marked it at 45m out didnt he??? Whats he doing kicking it from 55??? :-\
This game summed our season up. How many times have I said that we're never safe when 5 goals up but never out of it when 5 goals down. We had both in the same3 game and ended up a draw..lol.
That was a real positive for me.
We got a good lead and lost it to the point where the commentators, and a lot of supporters were thinking "how far Essendon"...... and then we were able to fight back....and really should have pinched it.
To come back after being over-run was a plus.
just got back.....
waite can take a 1 yr..extension....deserves no more.
A draw nearly always brings mixed feelings.
How Gibbs kick was not knocked/pushed through for a behind I will never understand !!
Awesome 1 qtr, 2nd qtr was as bad as the 1st was good. to fight back in the 2nd half with a depleted team showed some good character.
McLean proved he still has value in our list.
Watson showed he has some value, for us? Or some other team?!!
The biggest worry is that we were carried by Juddy ... again. Simply superb. The 2 goals they got in the last quarter were when he was off the ground.
The second biggest worry is that, of our up and comers, there's Menzel, then there's daylight.
Inexcusable that Gibbs' shot wasn't punched through.
The CheatsFC supporters around me were absolutely livid they didn't win, so I'm happy :)
just got back.....
waite can take a 1 yr..extension....deserves no more.
Doesn't deserve that based on today's game.
Pity we didn't get up. The way the Tigers have started we'd have possibly sent the druggies interstate the first week.
I liked that Bell showed some spunk.
Tough little customer he is.
Personally, the circumstances of that draw could not be any sweeter. Eat crap Essendon :)) :))
Damn.. was looking at an old ladder. Nevermind
Beautiful day, Saturday afternoon at the 'G, good crowd and Carlton/Essendon going at it hammer and tongs, what more could anyone want?
The Maestro was our best, thank God he's not hanging up the boots, top games from Brock McLean and Zach Tuohy, old Carratts quietened Watson down a bit when it looked like he was going to tear us a new one, good to see Matty Watson finally get a bit of confidence on a big stage, Gibbsy gave it everything and was shagged when he took that last kick, but what about that raking pass from Ciaran Sheehan???.
The Blues played a ripper, skill errors laid on but they fought like crazy for the whole 100 minutes and refused to roll over, there's a real spirit taking shape at our footy club.
If judd is on 500k the rest can take what they're given.
Gees they are a dirty, dirty side... yet Goddard - the biggest squealer of all gets a golden run!
It was only a little one but Hurley should get two weeks for the little kick on Waite in the last. Howlett is another that goes in somewhat indiscriminantly.
I've never seen a side so comprehensively on top yet not win... pity the 2 points secured their finals position... pretenders.
Brock belied his lack of pace to be more than handy and thought Waite did ok and gave us real spark and "X" factor at times. Pity we lack a little polish and midfield run - that mob aren't a quarter as good as they think they are. Touhys best game o fteh year but pity he didn't drill that last goal.
Why wasn't Gibbs' kick punched through? Though I guess Watson was trying to mark it and spilled it.
Thank the lord I don't have to listen to the flogs that comprise the Channel 7 cheer squad, I mean commentary team, any more this year - fawning mob of sycophants.
just got back.....
waite can take a 1 yr..extension....deserves no more.
Doesn't deserve that based on today's game.
16 possies and 11 marks.
16 possies and 11 marks.
Started slowly but sure warmed into the match, that play where he won a two on one then dished off to Watson for a goal was superb.
I for one hope he stays at Carlton.
Went to social club after our last gamefor the year and there was nothing on. Only security waiting for everone to leave and they even turned off the t8gers game. What a crap club we are.
How much is social club membership....I was thinking of getting one for the family
Mighty Mick after the siren :D
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-30/malthouse-post-match
I think he meant Tom Bell not Peter ;) :D
Don't know to make of that season. Shockingly weak first half of the year, showed very decent fight and substance (finally!!!) in the 2nd half with depleted teams (bar last week) against good sides. Game plan was tweaked to suit us more, seemed to find some blokes that could actuailly play as the season went including finding blokes we thought we average bit did alot better when put in different positions.
A measly 7 1/2 wins but 3 games where we were robbed by the umpire straight out, two against Geelong, a miskick by Wood against Freo. A bit of luck plus ALOT more application in the first half of the year and it could've been so much different.
Something to learn from for next year as this one may have been a real waste.
16 possies and 11 marks.
Started slowly but sure warmed into the match, that play where he won a two on one then dished off to Watson for a goal was superb.
I for one hope he stays at Carlton.
I for two hope the same.
How much is Gibbs getting paid? >:(
How could he run too close to the man on the mark with his years of experience?
Shocking from our soon to be B&F.
I didn't mind that the ball wasn't rushed through by us. The players would have known the was fk all time left but 15 seconds is more than enough to go coast to coast. Gibbs should have nailed it....end of story.
It's just my personal theory, but I think that last 30/40 seconds of play comes from a mindset, the mindset of a team not accustomed to winning, and certainly not accustomed to winning close ones. Gibbs is not a long kick - 2E or someone else else should've run through for Gibbs to handball, cut the angle and distance down, had a shot that made the distance and at least got a point. As a plan B, the team should've set up correctly around the goal square etc. Ah well, never mind.................
The biggest worry is that we were carried by Juddy ... again. Simply superb. The 2 goals they got in the last quarter were when he was off the ground.
The second biggest worry is that, of our up and comers, there's Menzel, then there's daylight.
Inexcusable that Gibbs' shot wasn't punched through.
The CheatsFC supporters around me were absolutely livid they didn't win, so I'm happy :)
I didn't see today's game but I would have thought 4 goals from watts is encouraging. Casboult has also had a breakout year, Buckley is a jet and we've had plenty of good ordinaries come through the team in the 2nd half of the year which should bode well for the future. Another good draft required however.
Menzel IMO is a little overrated at the moment, has done nothing for weeks and is lucky to be getting a game.
Mighty Mick after the siren :D
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-30/malthouse-post-match
I think he meant Tom Bell not Peter ;) :D
Lol... peter bell.
Mick gave Watson a big wrap at the end of that post Match.
Given the club a bit of a headache when all the forwards are available.
Mick's happy with that ;)
The biggest worry is that we were carried by Juddy ... again. Simply superb. The 2 goals they got in the last quarter were when he was off the ground.
The second biggest worry is that, of our up and comers, there's Menzel, then there's daylight.
Inexcusable that Gibbs' shot wasn't punched through.
The CheatsFC supporters around me were absolutely livid they didn't win, so I'm happy :)
I didn't see today's game but I would have thought 4 goals from watts is encouraging. Casboult has also had a breakout year, Buckley is a jet and we've had plenty of good ordinaries come through the team in the 2nd half of the year which should bode well for the future. Another good draft required however.
Menzel IMO is a little overrated at the moment, has done nothing for weeks and is lucky to be getting a game.
Menzel is young and was up and down with injury late in the year. Looks a gun.
five don't go into three
lol
Firstly, Judd is ahead of 90% of players in the comp, why he would even consider retiring is beyond me. Watching him stream through the middle from stoppages time after time today for the first half was both demoralising and impressive. Demoralising because we do have the ball us to take advantage of him, impressive because his acceleration and speed is still there and some.
Gibbs was magnificent today, if he is ever moved back to the flank from being an attacking midfielder the coach and MC must be immediately sacked.
We continue to be one of the worst ball using teams in the competition, yet effort keeps us in the game. You cannot blame blokes for not marking when half our kicks to in the clear players advantage their opponent. Fix this one aspect of our game and we rise up the ladder faster than most would think possible.
This is exactly what Watson needed. He needed a go up forward and they gave him a chance and he performed. Didn't watch the game so I can't comment on his actual performance besides what the stats say.
I listened to a 3 minute recap on the radio and it sounded like (Gibbs?) didn't punch the ball over the line or something like that.
This is exactly what Watson needed. He needed a go up forward and they gave him a chance and he performed. Didn't watch the game so I can't comment on his actual performance besides what the stats say.
I listened to a 3 minute recap on the radio and it sounded like (Gibbs?) didn't punch the ball over the line or something like that.
Be careful what you write from listening to radio, it can make you look like a goose!
This is exactly what Watson needed. He needed a go up forward and they gave him a chance and he performed. Didn't watch the game so I can't comment on his actual performance besides what the stats say.
Me neither but four goals is four goals is four goals.
This is exactly what Watson needed. He needed a go up forward and they gave him a chance and he performed. Didn't watch the game so I can't comment on his actual performance besides what the stats say.
I listened to a 3 minute recap on the radio and it sounded like (Gibbs?) didn't punch the ball over the line or something like that.
Gibbs was the one who kicked the ball.
Players thought that there was time remaining and tried to keep the ball alive. Better play might have been Touhy to run past for a receive and long bomb. Imagine the noise....
This is exactly what Watson needed. He needed a go up forward and they gave him a chance and he performed. Didn't watch the game so I can't comment on his actual performance besides what the stats say.
Me neither but four goals is four goals is four goals.
I thought he looked similar in the VFL last week. Actually lookeed like a key forward last week both one on one and on the lead. Kicked 3.1 from what must've been the most limited opportunities ever in the history of the VFL/VFA. The one he missed was a soda. So wasn't surprised by this weeks effort. His pace won't be such a liability on the forward line, especially if you read the play well and get that metre on your opponent.
Players thought that there was time remaining and tried to keep the ball alive. Better play might have been Touhy to run past for a receive and long bomb. Imagine the noise....
Reckon there'd have been a huge noise too if he kicked a point too.....lol.
Players thought that there was time remaining and tried to keep the ball alive. Better play might have been Touhy to run past for a receive and long bomb. Imagine the noise....
I watched from exactly side on to that kick, the EFC player ran 1m or 2m over the mark and was not penalised. Gibbs marked at about 45~46m out well inside the F50 arc. The umpire indicated the mark at about 46m, the EFC player ran over the mark to about 47m as Gibb's kicked.
That young umpire was the same bloke who paid the bad decision on the McLean shepherd, he was behind Goddard's back and could not have seen the contact, the kid just guessed! And he also made the poor non-decision on the Daniher(I think) holding the ball!
AFL umpires should not be guessing, it cost us the game today!
If you want to see for yourself check out the video and pause it a 4s. http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-08-30/mclean-goes-hard-at-goddard The umpire who paid the free is near the top left.
Also listen to the commentary of the full clip, and note how Tim Watson tries to hang McLean for a high bump that never really happened.
We bag our own pretty hard but gees there are some over rated hacks running around for that mob... blokes that look awesome in the clear with the ball but make dumb decisions and don't defend particularly well...I can remember Betts kicking 8 against that mob and I can see why.
Should've punched it through..
Watching Watson the last 2 weeks he has really looked like a forward.
Watson can have another 12 months as a forward to prove himself and to be fair he looked good today but I'm still not sold on him...played on Hibberd and Dempsey who are half his size
and I need to see more of him doing the business vs more normal type opponents that the top teams will send to him....
Gibbs should have made the distance and ran too close to the man on the mark but the result really didnt mean anything and I was more interested in how he performed
for the 4 quarters and he did ok.
Waite looked like a player upset to be leaving his mates....
Casboult.....not the answer as a KP player and indeed Watson has a big opportunity as he can convert...
Judd....great and I worry when he does hang up the boots..
Bell(Tom/Peter).....a player of contrast......either great and looking like a Kouta clone and the next minute lookong brain dead and lost when has to think too much for too long...
Goddard...you weak NIDA graduate....what an actor.....and then later gave Judd a cheap shot on the way through a passage of play...wish Brock had knocked him out .....disgraceful umpiring....too hard a bump???..gimme me a break.
That umpire had a bad day LP... the Maclean shepard was a bad, bad call, but the non-free against Daniher really shat me off because that kid looks to be yet another black and red protected species... then again, Bell got away with one in the third when he was clearly run down so it evened up.
There were a couple late eg Lucas smashed high and front on etc that were missed but they don't pay frees late in games like that unless you are Geelong...
Can't believe what Goddard gets away with, yet he runs around squealing like the most hard done by bloke in the league. Maclean's hit was a beauty and it was interesting to see a few of our blokes get into the bumbers about it. They don't like getting it back that mob.
How much is social club membership....I was thinking of getting one for the family
Don't bother. It's not worth it.
That's the best I've seen Watson play in a dark navy blue jumper - he looked very very promising as a forward. My major gripe was though, WTF has it taken the powers that be at the club this long to try him out as a forward?? I was almost on the point of throwing my empty coffee cup at the screen. Hell, we've been suggesting trying him there for at least a year - gee they are slow learners at CFC!
Anyway, rant over. A few potential positives there for next year esp. Watson and Sheehan. Brock also looked OK but was not shown up for pace today. Maybe with a few new additions next year may possibly bring us a bit more joy.
Casboult.....not the answer as a KP player and indeed Watson has a big opportunity as he can convert...
EB1, I watched them closely today and it was clear Casboult was feeling the heat of having Watson make himself a presence. To be fair to Casboult, at times it looked like all three tall forwards were playing for their career.
Watson needs to get a lot nastier if he is to make it as a forward, he needs to use his size and bulk to hurt a few defenders.
Mind you the blokes playing on him today probably only compete because they are juiced up freaks!
That's the best I've seen Watson play in a dark navy blue jumper - he looked very very promising as a forward. My major gripe was though, WTF has it taken the powers that be at the club this long to try him out as a forward?? I was almost on the point of throwing my empty coffee cup at the screen. Hell, we've been suggesting trying him there for at least a year - gee they are slow learners at CFC!
Anyway, rant over. A few potential positives there for next year esp. Watson and Sheehan. Brock also looked OK but was not shown up for pace today. Maybe with a few new additions next year may possibly bring us a bit more joy.
Give the kid and the club a break, he was a career defender and is learning forward play at VFL level. He probably needs another year at VFL level as a forward to get the gig sorted out in his head! But as good as he was today there were times he failed to compete against two smaller defenders.
@LP
I nearly did give 'em a break - a broken coffee cup or a broken TV screen.
Sorry LP, don't get you - I thought I was being positive about Watson - the club, well that's another story.
Casboult.....not the answer as a KP player and indeed Watson has a big opportunity as he can convert...
EB1, I watched them closely today and it was clear Casboult was feeling the heat of having Watson make himself a presence. To be fair to Casboult, at times it looked like all three tall forwards were playing for their career.
Watson needs to get a lot nastier if he is to make it as a forward, he needs to use his size and bulk to hurt a few defenders.
Mind you the blokes playing on him today probably only compete because they are juiced up freaks!
LP..on the money with the juiced up freaks...Hibberd looked like the Michelin man out there.....
Agree on Watson and I have been a severe critic of what he has dished up but he seems a better player in the seniors overall(think Jim stated this) and learning to be a forward takes time and
you are on the money he needs to throw his weight around more. Problem is he was a U18 bully boy who just had little kids bouncing off him like pinballs and never had to think much about wrestling or fighting for position and acting nasty.
This is new territory for him....being down forward means working harder..a new concept.
Did anyone else at today's game wonder why we gave Heppell a clear run through the defensive side of the centre square all day?
He cut us to pieces.
Gibbs shot was from outside 50 when he made contact, into a breeze which had affected kicks in that direction all day, after 100 mins of football....for all those hanging him for not making the distance, pull your friggin' heads in.
We saw the best & worst of Carlton today....thankfully more good than bad.
Waite's a conundrum.....saw the best & worst of him today. He's clearly going imo, but what a waste to lose him for nothing. Watson's form today may be a tasty glimpse of what we'll get as a replacement.
Brock reminded all today that he's not quite yet spent as a quality AFL player. His best game of the year for mine.
Bell will be a star. Period.
Rowe was smashed in the 2nd & 3rd quarters, but regained his composure to finish the game strongly. Most improvement I've ever seen in a Carlton player over the course of a year that I can remember.
Finally saw a positive glimpse of what Cripps will bring to the table. Not huge numbers in the last, but what he did was quality.
Levi Casboult, discuss......
Anyone have any idea as to what happens with our team at certain parts? In the second quarter you could sense we just came to a complete stop no run, Nothing, then the confidence seems to fade... For a while And then out of nowhere we pull it out again! Don't get what it is... The fade outs.. Anyone?
Anyone have any idea as to what happens with our team at certain parts? In the second quarter you could sense we just came to a complete stop no run, Nothing, then the confidence seems to fade... For a while And then out of nowhere we pull it out again! Don't get what it is... The fade outs.. Anyone?
I think the Bummers just put a lot more pressure on us and stopped our run and flow in the 2Q. We couldn't break the shackles again until into 3Q when they began to to tire and we could again start to re-assert ourselves.
@LP
I nearly did give 'em a break - a broken coffee cup or a broken TV screen.
Sorry LP, don't get you - I thought I was being positive about Watson - the club, well that's another story.
If the club had played him as a forward early this season he'd be trade bait now, 100% trade bait.
This is the best thing that could happen to him, a slow steady rise to a long career. He has spent a season in the VFL learning to deliver what he delivered today but he still has a way to go. Late in the last he got the ball at about 55m in front of the members and centred it with a 40m outside edge of the boot pass. The kid can and should have had a crack at the sticks, he is capable of it.
Did anyone else at today's game wonder why we gave Heppell a clear run through the defensive side of the centre square all day?
He cut us to pieces.
I was screaming the entire match as to how we let him off the lead today. He sets up so much of their play, it isn't funny. This game completely did my head in. Us being up by 3 goals in the 1st quarter, and then to have turned this lead over in 10 mins of footy in the 2nd quarter. Then to be behind by 5 goals in the 3rd quarter, to sneak back into a position where we are a chance. Then to come so close, and miss winning was just criminal. >:(
@LP
I nearly did give 'em a break - a broken coffee cup or a broken TV screen.
Sorry LP, don't get you - I thought I was being positive about Watson - the club, well that's another story.
If the club had played him as a forward early this season he'd be trade bait now, 100% trade bait.
This is the best thing that could happen to him, a slow steady rise to a long career. He has spent a season in the VFL learning to deliver what he delivered today but he still has a way to go. Late in the last he got the ball at about 55m in front of the members and centred it with a 40m outside edge of the boot pass. The kid can and should have had a crack at the sticks, he is capable of it.
That's something I've noticed quite a few of our guys do recently. Not have a ping from 40-50 but centre it, quite often to a contest.
Looks like a team instruction to drop the amount of behinds and giving the ball back in the kick in. Maybe something like "if you are very confident have a go, but if unsure then kick it to a position where we can apply pressure."
five don't go into three
lol
Important comment - good pick up TNT Blue. Tells me that Meat, Watto or Waitey won't be at Princes Park next year. Can't see Kreuz or Hendo being traded.
I also found MMs comment that few blokes doubt themselves more that Watto. Man, that explains a lot. Question is, can he build on what he achieved today? Can he achieve that with serious opponent?
I called it a couple of years ago, I said Watson moves and plays like a forward but we play him down back all the time. :o
Good to see him given ago, well done mate.
By the way did anyone listen to MMM with Brayshaw? The guy is a complete tosser for continually bagging Watson for his large head, totally unprofessional.
By the way did anyone listen to MMM with Brayshaw? The guy is a complete tosser for continually bagging Watson for his large head, totally unprofessional.
Can't be any worse than having to listen to the Ch7 cheer squad. ::)
Mighty Mick after the siren :D
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-30/malthouse-post-match
I think he meant Tom Bell not Peter ;) :D
Lol... peter bell.
he was telling the reporter to "do some homework" and then he drops the "peter bell".
its a million dollars per annum for a farcical comedy - pressers, the best part of the day
five don't go into three
lol
Important comment - good pick up TNT Blue. Tells me that Meat, Watto or Waitey won't be at Princes Park next year. Can't see Kreuz or Hendo being traded.
I also found MMs comment that few blokes doubt themselves more that Watto. Man, that explains a lot. Question is, can he build on what he achieved today? Can he achieve that with serious opponent?
Yeah
I didn't get it that way Baggers
In fact I thought Mick gave the impression that he was quite pleased that in 2015 they were going to have a bit of a dilemma with a glut of forward options....a nice problem to have...an
"outstanding" problem in fact
on Matthew Watson
"Fantastic
I think Watto needs to look at that game and say over and over ...why hasn't this happened before?....because there is no-one more self doubting than him, and it's taken a long time for us to have the confidence to say....now step up!
Now what he's done is thrown a spanner in the works with regard to our forward line structure ...which is outstanding...Henderson will be available early next year...Kreuzer will...five don't go into three....which is terrific for us"
So it's a nice problem to have...... but also there's probably a little message to those holding out for extra contract concessions that Watson just damaged your bargaining position to some extent.
watto's 4 goals saved the blues about 300k next year
waite gone , meat stays on reduced money, watto plays forward
kruz stays, and hendo goes back again IMO
@LP
I nearly did give 'em a break - a broken coffee cup or a broken TV screen.
Sorry LP, don't get you - I thought I was being positive about Watson - the club, well that's another story.
If the club had played him as a forward early this season he'd be trade bait now, 100% trade bait.
This is the best thing that could happen to him, a slow steady rise to a long career. He has spent a season in the VFL learning to deliver what he delivered today but he still has a way to go. Late in the last he got the ball at about 55m in front of the members and centred it with a 40m outside edge of the boot pass. The kid can and should have had a crack at the sticks, he is capable of it.
Sorry LP but he's only been tried as a forward in the VFL in the last few weeks of the season, from the reports I've read - admittedly I've not attended any VFL games to actually see him. People on here though, me included, were suggesting he should be tried as a forward a lot longer ago than that. Wonder why that didn't dawn on the club earlier, especially when we're supposed to be desperate for a KPF? If he's looking like he may be suited to that role now why wouldn't he have done so then? That wouldn't have precluded him from a "slow steady rise to a long career" now would it, possibly would have put him on the right track earlier? Just askin'. 8)
4 goals from Watson is a great effort but let's not be seduced, he still had NFI about marking, positioning, what to do when the ball hits the ground, his hand are slow.......he is not AFL standard.
Not sure if it showed up on the TV, but it was plain as day at the ground.
And while on forwards, unless he can kick straight, Casboult is no use to us. End of argument.
4 goals from Watson is a great effort but let's not be seduced, he still had NFI about marking, positioning, what to do when the ball hits the ground, his hand are slow.......he is not AFL standard.
Not sure if it showed up on the TV, but it was plain as day at the ground.
And while on forwards, unless he can kick straight, Casboult is no use to us. End of argument.
I agree with all of this. The thing that stood out for me was his lack of pressure. Once the ball wasn't within arms reach he gave up. Don't get me wrong, a 4 goal haul is nothing to sneeze at and I'm happy for the kid but I'm not expecting him to be a regular AFL player.
That's the best I've seen Watson play in a dark navy blue jumper - he looked very very promising as a forward. My major gripe was though, WTF has it taken the powers that be at the club this long to try him out as a forward?? I was almost on the point of throwing my empty coffee cup at the screen. Hell, we've been suggesting trying him there for at least a year - gee they are slow learners at CFC!
MM's comment about no one doubting Watson more than Watson, well I can think of one bloke that doubts him more and that's Mick himself! We've been wasting time playing White who is never going to be more than back up at absolute best and this whole time we could have been developing Watson as a forward. Mick has most definitely instilled the hunger to win back in this side after he lost it but fk me he's made some terrible moves/decisions along the way.
MM's comment about no one doubting Watson more than Watson, well I can think of one bloke that doubts him more and that's Mick himself! We've been wasting time playing White who is never going to be more than back up at absolute best and this whole time we could have been developing Watson as a forward. Mick has most definitely instilled the hunger to win back in this side after he lost it but fk me he's made some terrible moves/decisions along the way.
Still making sense, Carrots. Mick coaches to mistakes a bit too often.
Ahhh my old pal Java......brings back memories of our heated debates over your man Britts. Hope you're well buddy. ;)
Yep Milkman, the way Watson stops or looks loast as soon as he is not directly involved will curtail his senior career if he doesn't do something about it. Needs to work on repeat efforts or simply to clunk the balls he gets his hands to... which is quite a few to be honest. Pity he dropped that kick of Gibbs'.
five don't go into three
lol
Important comment - good pick up TNT Blue. Tells me that Meat, Watto or Waitey won't be at Princes Park next year. Can't see Kreuz or Hendo being traded.
I also found MMs comment that few blokes doubt themselves more that Watto. Man, that explains a lot. Question is, can he build on what he achieved today? Can he achieve that with serious opponent?
Yeah
I didn't get it that way Baggers
In fact I thought Mick gave the impression that he was quite pleased that in 2015 they were going to have a bit of a dilemma with a glut of forward options....a nice problem to have...an "outstanding" problem in fact
on Matthew Watson
"Fantastic
I think Watto needs to look at that game and say over and over ...why hasn't this happened before?....because there is no-one more self doubting than him, and it's taken a long time for us to have the confidence to say....now step up!
Now what he's done is thrown a spanner in the works with regard to our forward line structure ...which is outstanding...Henderson will be available early next year...Kreuzer will...five don't go into three....which is terrific for us"
So it's a nice problem to have...... but also there's probably a little message to those holding out for extra contract concessions that Watson just damaged your bargaining position to some extent.
That's the way I interpreted it Lods, he was almost salivating at the prospect of all those options plus probably new ones he might bring in.
I can't believe all the positive comments and hope that many supporters have shown on ONE reasonable performance. Yes ONE reasonable game.
IMO this player has been on the list for far too long. That's the problem with our club and the difference with the heavyweights. We don't face reality well and don't make the tough decisions that the hawks and cats have - we hold on for way too long to players that long term are a 1-100 chance to make it. Watson is yet another example.
Im far from an expert but from early on he never looked like making the grade. He is lost at sea when the ball is on the ground has absolutely no game sense let alone any goal sense. That goal he kicked front he boundary was straight out of his ar5e (remember Casboult goal from the boundary against the same pr1ck of a team a few years back-see my point)
Sure yesterday's game was one of his better ones but to now talk him up as a genuine forward line option for next year.......... :o
Fact is when he's got given a chance up forward in the seniors he's done okay, not his fault he doesn't get many chances.
Edit: well maybe it is to some extent but some players just play better in the seniors, Watto is one of them. I believe Baggers and RR when they say he's been awful in the twos but let's be honest, the guy has never been given much of a chance in the seniors. If we'd given him a run of 10 games who knows where he'd be now? Possibly the best kick on our list.
@ Shawny
A touch harsh there Shawny. We have been crying out for another forward option and he may be one. OK let's not get carried away, he's not the messiah but he could be better than just another naughty boy. I'm all for giving him the opportunity to finally come good.
I can't believe all the positive comments and hope that many supporters have shown on ONE reasonable performance. Yes ONE reasonable game.
IMO this player has been on the list for far too long. That's the problem with our club and the difference with the heavyweights. We don't face reality well and don't make the tough decisions that the hawks and cats have - we hold on for way too long to players that long term are a 1-100 chance to make it. Watson is yet another example.
Im far from an expert but from early on he never looked like making the grade. He is lost at sea when the ball is on the ground has absolutely no game sense let alone any goal sense. That goal he kicked front he boundary was straight out of his ar5e (remember Casboult goal from the boundary against the same pr1ck of a team a few years back-see my point)
Sure yesterday's game was one of his better ones but to now talk him up as a genuine forward line option for next year.......... :o
I'm not a fan yet and sure one good game doesnt make a career but he at least can kick straight and options for us are limited with Waites likely departure so he has another season to cement a spot and then his contract runs out.
He just moves better down forward and looks smarter than when played down back, his test will come though when he plays on the genuine KP defenders and not players like Hibberd who are much smaller...sit back and enjoy the ride for the next 12 months and lets hope he can become a real player for us..
And it was better than a 'reasonable' performance. 4 goals is the new 6 goals didn't you know?
@shawny agree
saying watson is a forward is like saying kruezer is a forward
opposition sides will find weaknesses with watson and we will be calling for his head. watson has 1 year left on his contract. if we get a good trade at years end great but if he stays next year play him forward all year by giving him at least 18 senior games and then make the call......
4 goals from Watson is a great effort but let's not be seduced, he still had NFI about marking, positioning, what to do when the ball hits the ground, his hand are slow.......he is not AFL standard.
Not sure if it showed up on the TV, but it was plain as day at the ground.
And while on forwards, unless he can kick straight, Casboult is no use to us. End of argument.
Agree with all of this.
Watson played OK but he was playing on second or third string defenders, and even then what the hell was he doing trying to take a contested pack mark with 16 seconds on the clock when all he needed to do was fist it through for a point, just plain dumb.
Casboult will never cut it as an AFL standard key forward, there are just too many short comings in his game.
This is really starting sht me. It seems to be popular to blame Watson for not fisting the ball through but no one has any inkling as to whether he knew how much time was left. Reeks of bias.
OMG just stated watching thee replay, how is Tim Watson calling Watto's free in the square incidental contact and lucky? His arms got chopped and he got belted in the face FFS.
This is really starting sht me. It seems to be popular to blame Watson for not fisting the ball through but no one has any inkling as to whether he knew how much time was left. Reeks of bias.
I got a text from a mate as Gibbs was lining up saying there was a minute left, obviously took a while for the text to come through. Still can't believe Gibbs couldn't make the distance.
This is really starting sht me. It seems to be popular to blame Watson for not fisting the ball through but no one has any inkling as to whether he knew how much time was left. Reeks of bias.
Malthouse said they weren't able to get runners in there to tell them how much time they had...
Thanks Geelong
OMG just stated watching thee replay, how is Tim Watson calling Watto's free in the square incidental contact and lucky? His arms got chopped and he got belted in the face FFS.
That was hilarious.
This is really starting sht me. It seems to be popular to blame Watson for not fisting the ball through but no one has any inkling as to whether he knew how much time was left. Reeks of bias.
I got a text from a mate as Gibbs was lining up saying there was a minute left, obviously took a while for the text to come through. Still can't believe Gibbs couldn't make the distance.
I was driving home from the airport punching the air outside the window as 3AW said we couldn't lose from here....my missus warned me not to jinx it.
This is really starting sht me. It seems to be popular to blame Watson for not fisting the ball through but no one has any inkling as to whether he knew how much time was left. Reeks of bias.
I got a text from a mate as Gibbs was lining up saying there was a minute left, obviously took a while for the text to come through. Still can't believe Gibbs couldn't make the distance.
Wind, fatigue, plus I've never believed Bryce to be a particularly long kick. It's never ideal when a mid (who's been running all game) has a shot for goal around the 50 with a minute of game time left. Those legs would have little power left by then.
watching c9 sfs..im convinced we lost the game because we didnt have a plan, committment or team structure or plan to push the ball through for a point...waite watson and wood...could have all pushed gibbs kick through.. .trainer should have told 1 minute to go....the coach assistants runners team all failed.....we should be drilled for these situations....
watching c9 sfs..im convinced we lost the game because we didnt have a plan, committment or team structure or plan to push the ball through for a point...waite watson and wood...could have all pushed gibbs kick through.. .trainer should have told 1 minute to go....the coach assistants runners team all failed.....we should be drilled for these situations....
Dude, they couldn't get runners in to the 50 to tell them to speed up because you can't anymore
The players didn't know how much time they had.
...waite watson and wood...could have all pushed gibbs kick through.. .
Everyone at the ground knew there was bugger all time left.
Watson got first hands on it so it was up to him to make sure it went over the line, but he's very inexperienced and hadn't played seniors for ages.
We should cut him some slack but it was a basic error.
watching c9 sfs..im convinced we lost the game because we didnt have a plan, committment or team structure or plan to push the ball through for a point...waite watson and wood...could have all pushed gibbs kick through.. .trainer should have told 1 minute to go....the coach assistants runners team all failed.....we should be drilled for these situations....
Dude, they couldn't get runners in to the 50 to tell them to speed up because you can't anymore
The players didn't know how much time they had.
what about interchange players then running into 50 with the message?
...waite watson and wood...could have all pushed gibbs kick through.. .
Everyone at the ground knew there was bugger all time left.
Watson got first hands on it so it was up to him to make sure it went over the line, but he's very inexperienced and hadn't played seniors for ages.
We should cut him some slack but it was a basic error.
Just a dumb stubborn comment. Don't like to admit when you're wrong do you?
This is really starting sht me. It seems to be popular to blame Watson for not fisting the ball through but no one has any inkling as to whether he knew how much time was left. Reeks of bias.
I got a text from a mate as Gibbs was lining up saying there was a minute left, obviously took a while for the text to come through. Still can't believe Gibbs couldn't make the distance.
I was driving home from the airport punching the air outside the window as 3AW said we couldn't lose from here....my missus warned me not to jinx it.
Was watching the Ch7 delayed telecast and didn't know the result. My wife came home with 1 min 47 secs left on the clock and just said "Pity they drew!" I thought she was effin' joking...............! >:( Is that adequate grounds for divorce?
Just about mate WTF was she thinking how long have you been married for??
Just a dumb stubborn comment. Don't like to admit when you're wrong do you?
Whatever.
What's Malthouse done to get up your nose this week?
Just about mate WTF was she thinking how long have you been married for??
Must have had a brain fade - I couldn't believe she did that. I've given her a severe talking to! ;)
...waite watson and wood...could have all pushed gibbs kick through.. .
Everyone at the ground knew there was bugger all time left.
Watson got first hands on it so it was up to him to make sure it went over the line, but he's very inexperienced and hadn't played seniors for ages.
We should cut him some slack but it was a basic error.
Just a dumb stubborn comment. Don't like to admit when you're wrong do you?
When I heard about it I wondered why it wasn't punched through then when I saw the the delayed telecast after I think the was dying too much to knock it through from the initially marking contest. It was still 4 to 5 metres out and dropping fast making it hard to punch through. Whether it could've been rushed after that when it was bouncing around it's hard to say.
Just about mate WTF was she thinking how long have you been married for??
Must have had a brain fade - I couldn't believe she did that. I've given her a severe talking to! ;)
A weekly occurrence at my house cookie! :))
OMG just stated watching thee replay, how is Tim Watson calling Watto's free in the square incidental contact and lucky? His arms got chopped and he got belted in the face FFS.
Tim Watson's commentary doesn't get any better Carrots....he was just disgraceful all match ::)
^^
Agree.
After watching that fateful moment it's amazing how everyone goes after the whipping boy Watto, Wood could have just tapped it straight through for the behind, would have been much easier than trying to grab it and snap the goal. Of course he had no idea about the clock so you can't blame anyone but he had a much better opportunity than Watto.
OMG just stated watching thee replay, how is Tim Watson calling Watto's free in the square incidental contact and lucky? His arms got chopped and he got belted in the face FFS.
Tim Watson's commentary doesn't get any better Carrots....he was just disgraceful all match ::)
Agree on Watson...just biased dribble for the whole game
OMG just stated watching thee replay, how is Tim Watson calling Watto's free in the square incidental contact and lucky? His arms got chopped and he got belted in the face FFS.
Tim Watson's commentary doesn't get any better Carrots....he was just disgraceful all match ::)
Agree on Watson...just biased dribble for the whole game
People went nuts over Eddie commentating Coll games........ But a bloke who's son is playing and who basically recruited the coaching set up of a club is OK to be unbiased in his call??? "Patty Ryder could be the most athletic player in the comp"...... c'mon Tim!!!
OMG just stated watching thee replay, how is Tim Watson calling Watto's free in the square incidental contact and lucky? His arms got chopped and he got belted in the face FFS.
Tim Watson's commentary doesn't get any better Carrots....he was just disgraceful all match ::)
Agree on Watson...just biased dribble for the whole game
People went nuts over Eddie commentating Coll games........ But a bloke who's son is playing and who basically recruited the coaching set up of a club is OK to be unbiased in his call??? "Patty Ryder could be the most athletic player in the comp"...... c'mon Tim!!!
Delusional disorder is characterized by the presence of either bizarre or non-bizarre delusions which have persisted for at least one month ::)
OMG just stated watching thee replay, how is Tim Watson calling Watto's free in the square incidental contact and lucky? His arms got chopped and he got belted in the face FFS.
Tim Watson's commentary doesn't get any better Carrots....he was just disgraceful all match ::)
Too true. Too many red and black glasses. Unfortunately a lot of the Channel 7 people are not afraid to let their biases show. The love for Richmond at the moment is mind boggling. How much do those guys support rather than commentate?
I guess it shows we need more Blues in the media. We don't often even appear as guests. Essendon players, on the other hand, appear to have weekly invitations.
Agree on Watson...just biased dribble for the whole game
People went nuts over Eddie commentating Coll games........ But a bloke who's son is playing and who basically recruited the coaching set up of a club is OK to be unbiased in his call??? "Patty Ryder could be the most athletic player in the comp"...... c'mon Tim!!!
Delusional disorder is characterized by the presence of either bizarre or non-bizarre delusions which have persisted for at least one month
::)
An excerpt from the MRP report....
"Contact between Carlton’s Brock McLean and Essendon’s Brendon Goddard from the second quarter of Saturday’s match was reviewed. After viewing all available vision and receiving a medical report from the Essendon Football Club, it was the view of the panel there was no forceful high contact made. No further action was taken."
Frustrating to say the least.
Won't mention the Joe Danniher non decision as he shimmied like a deer in headlights against Jammo.
I read that Carlton has had one of the best runs with the umpires in terms of frees for and against but I can't help but think a few poor decisions at key times have certainly impacted on our win loss ratio.
When I heard about it I wondered why it wasn't punched through then when I saw the the delayed telecast after I think the was dying too much to knock it through from the initially marking contest. It was still 4 to 5 metres out and dropping fast making it hard to punch through. Whether it could've been rushed after that when it was bouncing around it's hard to say.
Yeah, having had another look I think Watson was right to try and mark it, but Wood then should have rushed it through. Can't criticise either too much, I thought they both played well.
But it's another example of how we just don't have enough poise and 'smarts' in these situations.
And what's with Bryce being too tired to kick the ball further later in a match?!? Poppycock. It was into the wind, so maybe that held it up. But taking the 'too tired' argument to its logical conclusion - grand final, siren sounds, scores level, player to kick from right on 50. Doesn't make the distance? Oh well, can't be too surprised/disappointed. He would have been
really tired. Geez, if people are willing to put up these excuses then we've become a much more mediocre club than I thought.
And what's with Bryce being too tired to kick the ball further later in a match?!? Poppycock. It was into the wind, so maybe that held it up. But taking the 'too tired' argument to its logical conclusion - grand final, siren sounds, scores level, player to kick from right on 50. Doesn't make the distance? Oh well, can't be too surprised/disappointed. He would have been really tired. Geez, if people are willing to put up these excuses then we've become a much more mediocre club than I thought.
I was at the MCG, I went outside for a smoke at half and three quarter time then walked back to the car through the Fitzroy gardens, there wasn't a breath of wind.
I've got no idea why there were more goals kicked at the other end but it wasn't down to the wind, Tuohy made the distance easily from as far out as Gibbs a few minutes earlier.
Gibbs isn't a long kick anyway and he'd worked very hard during the game, he also seemed to get close to the man on the mark but that was probably down to being unhappy about the distance.
While I'm on about it, just about every other team works the mark harder than we do, most of our blokes just make a token effort and give a wave of the hand but other sides actually try and smother the kick, an Essendon player forced Casboult into error earlier in the game by jumping hard as he kicked.
It's something we need to work much harder at.
I was at the MCG, I went outside for a smoke at half and three quarter time then walked back to the car through the Fitzroy gardens, there wasn't a breath of wind.
I've got no idea why there were more goals kicked at the other end but it wasn't down to the wind, Tuohy made the distance easily from as far out as Gibbs a few minutes earlier.
That is not correct I was side on to both. Tuohy was at least 5m closer, and Tuohy's opponent did not run over the mark!
If you check the replays you can see the umpires shirts fluttering in the wind in the center bounces.
That is just the way it is at the MCG, the stands are 7 or 8 stories high and what people experience at ground level in the car park means nothing. If for example you parked on the downwind side you would be in the stands wind shadow.
we dont present enough to the ball carrier ,this happens all over the ground.When u watch hawks or syd everyplayer is on the move being 20 or30 m kicks and so you go fwd.We have to improve our training for pre season ,stronger and quicker.
we dont present enough to the ball carrier ,this happens all over the ground.When u watch hawks or syd everyplayer is on the move being 20 or30 m kicks and so you go fwd.We have to improve our training for pre season ,stronger and quicker.
Agreed, but I don't think fitness is the issue.
For me the answer is to recruit some forwards not waste time trying to convert players into them!
An excerpt from the MRP report....
"Contact between Carlton’s Brock McLean and Essendon’s Brendon Goddard from the second quarter of Saturday’s match was reviewed. After viewing all available vision and receiving a medical report from the Essendon Football Club, it was the view of the panel there was no forceful high contact made. No further action was taken."
Frustrating to say the least.
Won't mention the Joe Danniher non decision as he shimmied like a deer in headlights against Jammo.
I read that Carlton has had one of the best runs with the umpires in terms of frees for and against but I can't help but think a few poor decisions at key times have certainly impacted on our win loss ratio.
How the hell did this incident get to the MRP?
The AFL is now officially a confused organisation in dialectical conflict.
On the one hand, the AFL markets and promotes its history with its biffo and hard hits and hence accrues money from the community and on the other hand bans players under the MRP for the same incidents...
How the hell did this incident get to the MRP?
More to the point, why the hell was it a free kick?
That is not correct I was side on to both.
So was I.
Tuohy was at least 5m closer, and Tuohy's opponent did not run over the mark!
If he was closer at all it wasn't by 5 metres, and his shot went through half post high where Gibbs' pulled up a couple of metres short.
He's a longer kick that Gibbs anyway but I don't think wind was a factor.
An excerpt from the MRP report....
"Contact between Carlton’s Brock McLean and Essendon’s Brendon Goddard from the second quarter of Saturday’s match was reviewed. After viewing all available vision and receiving a medical report from the Essendon Football Club, it was the view of the panel there was no forceful high contact made. No further action was taken."
Frustrating to say the least.
Won't mention the Joe Danniher non decision as he shimmied like a deer in headlights against Jammo.
I read that Carlton has had one of the best runs with the umpires in terms of frees for and against but I can't help but think a few poor decisions at key times have certainly impacted on our win loss ratio.
...so what does that say about Goddard and his actress performance? :o >:( :)
If he was closer at all it wasn't by 5 metres, and his shot went through half post high where Gibbs' pulled up a couple of metres short.
He's a longer kick that Gibbs anyway but I don't think wind was a factor.
Yes he was, you can go the AFL watch the replay and select Marks Inside 50 from the available options to chose the second last of the game to get Tuohy's shot, then wait for Gibbs to compare both positions. Tuohy marks on a circle of dark grass 5m to 8m inside F50 arc, Gibbs marks one step short of the 50m logo itself. Tuohy kicks three running steps inside F50, Gibbs kicks one or two running steps outside F50.
For your reference those 50m logos are about 2m high, that makes about 6m or 7m difference between the two kicks.
If he was closer at all it wasn't by 5 metres, and his shot went through half post high where Gibbs' pulled up a couple of metres short.
He's a longer kick that Gibbs anyway but I don't think wind was a factor.
Yes he was, you can go the AFL watch the replay and select Marks Inside 50 from the available options to chose the second last of the game to get Tuohy's shot, then wait for Gibbs to compare both positions. Tuohy marks on a circle of dark grass 5m to 8m inside F50 arc, Gibbs marks one step short of the 50m logo itself. Tuohy kicks three running steps inside F50, Gibbs kicks one or two running steps outside F50.
Fair enough, that's not how I remember it but I haven't seen a replay and I was a bit excited at the time so I could well be mistaken.
It's no big deal in the washup, I was happy with the draw.
Fair enough, that's not how I remember it but I haven't seen a replay and I was a bit excited at the time so I could well be mistaken.
It's no big deal in the washup, I was happy with the draw.
Sorry to stomp on that issue but stuff gets posted here and it often becomes "fact" if enough people read it, in reality both kicks traveled about the same distance.
Ahhh my old pal Java......brings back memories of our heated debates over your man Britts. Hope you're well buddy. ;)
Can't remember feeling much heat on my side of the debate, mate. ;) ;D I'm well - you and yours the same i hope? Drop in every now and again but finding it hard to get excited after 12 Groundhog years - Elwood still banging his head up against the recruitment wall and Sheiky's as cracked as ever. ;D
Next year could be a bit better.
Ahhh my old pal Java......brings back memories of our heated debates over your man Britts. Hope you're well buddy. ;)
Can't remember feeling much heat on my side of the debate, mate. ;) ;D I'm well - you and yours the same i hope? Drop in every now and again but finding it hard to get excited after 12 Groundhog years - Elwood still banging his head up against the recruitment wall and Sheiky's as cracked as ever. ;D
Next year could be a bit better.
Glad to see you back JB and keeping well ..and yep still punching on about recruitment or maybe still feeling punchy as that recruiment wall doesnt get any smaller....agree we should be better next season and hopefully you can grace us more often with your astute offerings...
Agree about next year guys and yes I'm fine thanks Java. I echo Elwood's sentiments hope to see you around more often.
Interesting was just watching highlights of round 24 2004, a decade ago. We finished very well that season as well and that was also Pagan's second year in charge and funnily enough he had turned the list over as well. We all thought we were on the way up in 2005 (pretty sure we won the NAB Cup and started the season 15/1 for the premiership).
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Tell me why we got rid of McLean again ???
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Tell me why we got rid of McLean again ???
Apparently he had a bad attitude - I wonder if that's why he was in the leadership group ::)
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No one else picked him... so there must have been something going on.
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No one else picked him... so there must have been something going on.
I would hope so, coz from where I'm sitting it seemed like a strange decision. I thought he was very unfortunate.
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Tell me why we got rid of McLean again ???
Apparently he had a bad attitude - I wonder if that's why he was in the leadership group ::)
Where did the idea that he was let go for having a bad attitude come from?
I thought the reason a new contract was being floated was because of the opposite... A good attitude and someone who could be a role model for an increasingly younger list.
Mclean got the ass because Whiley became part of the Jaksch deal. In the end the club decided to invest in Whiley and cut Brock loose. He effectively took Brock's spot on the list. It had nothing to do with attitude as some have suggested.
Mclean got the ass because Whiley became part of the Jaksch deal. In the end the club decided to invest in Whiley and cut Brock loose. He effectively took Brock's spot on the list. It had nothing to do with attitude as some have suggested.
Makes sense.
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Tell me why we got rid of McLean again ???
Apparently he had a bad attitude - I wonder if that's why he was in the leadership group ::)
Where did the idea that he was let go for having a bad attitude come from?
Kruddler ;)
Brock's main weakness was lack of pace and his inability to chase and play both ways. He actually said that himself. Whiley no doubt was the cause of his demise - he may have got another year otherwise.
I saw a bit of that game. Where is Bell at by the way?
He's not that quick, he doesn't lay enough tackles or get enough possessions. If he's getting a game the team are not going that well.
He needs to sharpen up his disposal and start impacting games a lot more as he's at an age where he'll be under pressure at the end of next season.
Re. Brock - I admire his ability to make an impact. He was one of our best vs. Essendon. Work rate off the ball phenomenal. But just couldn't hurt the opposition as he had no pace. We'll miss his disposal count but not his defensive running.