Well anyone who has seen this must be gob-smacked.
A sport worth trillions of dollars, players worth millions and influencing trillions more in gambling dollars can tolerate such a blatant fraud without penalty or consequence.
[flash=480,270]http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/iFC3lq_-c-s?[/flash]
Hilarious.
Maybe he's rehearsing for the next Olympics :o Diving :P
Why I hate the effin game.
Why I hate the effin game.
Really? So if they stamped that out you would watch it an enjoy then.
Why I hate the effin game.
Really? So if they stamped that out you would watch it an enjoy then.
Yes
Why I hate the effin game.
Really? So if they stamped that out you would watch it an enjoy then.
Yes
Fair enough then, so as a game and sport you enjoy it, just not the way some players play it. I know a few people who use the diving reason to bag the game, but in truth they couldn't enjoy it (and admit as much after thinking about it). It's sad, as it really doesn't happen that often, but when it does I agree it looks bad. But I accept it as part of the game, and therefore enjoy it :)
This example is in the Lloyd class of diving ;D
This example is in the Lloyd class of diving ;D
FFS, Goat as much as I hate Lloyd, as much as we all hate Lloyd, his diving has nothing on this!
I am with GTC on this one, soccer is becoming a joke. I used to love it years ago, back then you would see stuff like this once or twice a season. Now you get a few in each half.
Then there are the blokes who get carried off late in a game and then jump off the stretcher as soon as it gets over the side line, yet another craphouse moment in the world sport!
If the footage wasn't funny enough, I had a great laugh at the commentators and how well I understood most of what they were saying.
This example is in the Lloyd class of diving ;D
FFS, Goat as much as I hate Lloyd, as much as we all hate Lloyd, his diving has nothing on this!
I am with GTC on this one, soccer is becoming a joke. I used to love it years ago, back then you would see stuff like this once or twice a season. Now you get a few in each half.
Then there are the blokes who get carried off late in a game and then jump off the stretcher as soon as it gets over the side line, yet another craphouse moment in the world sport!
Thanks LP. Its as close to cheating as f@#$ is to swearing as far as Im concerned. And not to mention the death rolls when they are tackled. I don't care how many people play it around the world, when it played like that, I'd rather go and watch lawn bowls.
What is wrong with lawn bowls. Have you ever seen these white heads go off at each other when they are angry or when they suspect cheating. ;D
What is wrong with lawn bowls. Have you ever seen these white heads go off at each other when they are angry or when they suspect cheating. ;D
LIKE
Soft as butter & fake as Dolly Parton's chest.
In the AFL that would constitute bringing the game in to disrepute.
I can't believe a game with a world body as powerful as it is could sit back and condone such behaviour on the world stage. If it does then that game is a farce.
Soft as butter & fake as Dolly Parton's chest.
You mean their not real??? :o
I dont see the big deal.
See the farcicle situation between Hampson and Hille from a few years ago, as to why this in isolation should not be seen to be reason to condemn the game.
Two head high contact decisions given within 10 seconds of each other.
As for this happening every week, I doubt it. This is a once a year proposition at best, and most often the "diving" that people condemn soccer players for, is at worst exaggeration of the foul in order to ensure the ref pays the free kick.
In the AFL that would constitute bringing the game in to disrepute.
I can't believe a game with a world body as powerful as it is could sit back and condone such behaviour on the world stage. If it does then that game is a farce.
You can see why the ACC made the bells and whistles show about corruption in sport, that dive is a prime example of what can happen!
I'd be checking the bank accounts of FIFA officials, spot bet anyone foul at the xx minute mark?
If global sport isn't getting hammered enough, Dank the new sports science executive for the IPL, like the IPLs reputation wasn't already bad enough! Yeah right, leave sport to the corporates, they won't steer it wrong!
Sooner or later someone must take a stand, I am happy for it to be the AFL, sport isn't run by Ayn Rand and it is not all about the success of individuals!
If soccer does not address this issue it can feck off I can't take it seriously anymore, it is an epidemic!
Soccer players have been diving since long before I was born and they're still the number 1 sport in the world and by a long way.
Players get kicked all the time. Being kicked equates to a foul. If you don't go down you don't get paid said foul. The players have no choice.
Players get kicked all the time. Being kicked equates to a foul. If you don't go down you don't get paid said foul. The players have no choice.
You mean cheating is a choice?
Does EFC know this? ??? I have Hird they think it is just a consequence resulting from the actions of others!
You're just rambling nonsense LP.
Boxing and UFC fans would laugh at Aussie rules players dropping to the turf from love taps.
Players get kicked all the time. Being kicked equates to a foul. If you don't go down you don't get paid said foul. The players have no choice.
You mean cheating is a choice?
It's not cheating I told you already, the foul is there more often than not. Would like to see you holding your ground with a 7 foot African built like a brick shthouse sliding in at a rate of knots. Playing soccer takes more balls than some would have you think. Those that would have you think that way obviously haven't played the game.
So true carrots, but this Vertonghen vision is simply deplorable and is the sort of cheating that only occurs rarely but when it does its a blight on the game.
FIFA should step in and take notice of stuff like this, and retrospectively suspend players who perform this action with no real possible clause. Vertonghen initiated head contact, with the result being an unfair advantage. Given video replays and the delay which normally occurs whilst the red carded player walks off the park, they should be given a minute to review the footage, and determine whether or not the red card was swan dive of this nature, and if so, reverse the decision. That will make players think twice before milking a non existant assasination like the one Vertonghen pulled.
Im all for the trip that isnt seen without exaggerating the contact, but this sort of stuff is just crap.
It's not cheating I told you already, the foul is there more often than not.
More often than not!
Like hurdling an opponents leg and rolling on the ground in agony, at least once a game.
Falling down and rolling a few dozen times almost right off the pitch after the slightest brush!
Tripping over your own feet and falling to the ground behind play holding your face.
Having a sub run on the ground and stop a goal!
Until they get fair dinkum about cases like this and ban players for years or life they are a joke, a massive joke that any sane person cannot take seriously! The trivial staging that is happening in AFL is under more scrutiny that the blatant lying that forms part of soccer.
You're just rambling nonsense LP.
Boxing and UFC fans would laugh at Aussie rules players dropping to the turf from love taps.
Yeah right there is a valid comparison, comparing any other sport to blood sports. Actually you are right, comparing UFC and AFL is probably as relative as AFL is to Soccer. And that is being kind to soccer, that Vertonghen event looks more like ballet or opera than sport.
You're just rambling nonsense LP.
Boxing and UFC fans would laugh at Aussie rules players dropping to the turf from love taps.
I m sure aussie rule players would laugh at boxing and efc ball skills too - hardly a comparison
All I remember is a caption I read sometime ago ... "soccer players pretend they're hurt, AFL players Pretend they're not"
It's not cheating I told you already, the foul is there more often than not.
More often than not!
Like hurdling an opponents leg and rolling on the ground in agony, at least once a game.
Falling down and rolling a few dozen times almost right off the pitch after the slightest brush!
Tripping over your own feet and falling to the ground behind play holding your face.
Having a sub run on the ground and stop a goal!
Until they get fair dinkum about cases like this and ban players for years or life they are a joke, a massive joke that any sane person cannot take seriously! The trivial staging that is happening in AFL is under more scrutiny that the blatant lying that forms part of soccer.
You're just rambling nonsense LP.
Boxing and UFC fans would laugh at Aussie rules players dropping to the turf from love taps.
Yeah right there is a valid comparison, comparing any other sport to blood sports. Actually you are right, comparing UFC and AFL is probably as relative as AFL is to Soccer. And that is being kind to soccer, that Vertonghen event looks more like ballet or opera than sport.
Having a sub stop a goal???
Really?
Did that even happen? Scattergun approach.
FWIW the AFL's credibility took a real hit over this drugs event and the whole competition looks like a complete farce particularly when you view the inequality in salary caps and flimsy excuses for it.
More often than not!
Like hurdling an opponents leg and rolling on the ground in agony, at least once a game.
Falling down and rolling a few dozen times almost right off the pitch after the slightest brush!
Tripping over your own feet and falling to the ground behind play holding your face.
Having a sub run on the ground and stop a goal!
Until they get fair dinkum about cases like this and ban players for years or life they are a joke, a massive joke that any sane person cannot take seriously! The trivial staging that is happening in AFL is under more scrutiny that the blatant lying that forms part of soccer.
ASADA says hi!
I m sure aussie rule players would laugh at boxing and efc ball skills too - hardly a comparison
Well thanks for making my point.
Yeah right there is a valid comparison, comparing any other sport to blood sports. Actually you are right, comparing UFC and AFL is probably as relative as AFL is to Soccer. And that is being kind to soccer, that Vertonghen event looks more like ballet or opera than sport.
Some Junior Aussie rules football leagues no longer keep score so they don't hurt the children's feelings.
Having a sub stop a goal???
Really?
Did that even happen? Scattergun approach.
FWIW the AFL's credibility took a real hit over this drugs event and the whole competition looks like a complete farce particularly when you view the inequality in salary caps and flimsy excuses for it.
Are you really a soccer fan or are you just staging for the debate. How can you call yourself a soccer fan and not know about that story?
Drawing the drugs in sport debate into the soccer diving argument as some sort of justification, really?
And inequality in wages in AFL, compared to soccer, really?
Very long bow, a very long floppy bow!
Like I stated, you would have to be insane to justify this behavior in defending any code, irrespective of the sporting code it occurred in. Trying to do so is just irrational. Cheating as part of the game, we might as well have soccer matches decided by a game of Golden Balls (Liars at 5 paces!)
Some Junior Aussie rules football leagues no longer keep score so they don't hurt the children's feelings.
All juniors codes do the same thing, actually in Australia it started in soccer back in the 90s when they did a great job of selling soccer to young mums as a safe alternative to that nasty wasty AFL or Rugby!
Some Junior Aussie rules football leagues no longer keep score so they don't hurt the children's feelings.
All juniors codes do the same thing, actually in Australia it started in soccer back in the 90s when they did a great job of selling soccer to young mums as a safe alternative to that nasty wasty AFL or Rugby!
I wish they did it during the 00s in the AFL!
Drawing the drugs in sport debate into the soccer diving argument as some sort of justification, really?
You think staging is worse than taking performance enhancing drugs in a contact sport?
You think staging is worse than taking performance enhancing drugs in a contact sport?
No, do you think they are even similar enough to include in discussion on diving for fouls in soccer, other than both are potentially a criminal corruption of a result?
I am not even sure why PI2C mentioned ASADA in the first place it is irrelevant to the discussion. I assume he thinks the lack of AFL players being banned by ASADA justifies soccer authorities allowing players caught staging on video to get off free!
I have another analogy for you;
AFL is to Soccer like UFC is to WWF!
LP, you're suggesting the sport is tainted by the diving, i'm suggesting the AFL is even further tainted by the use of PEDs. Not hard to figure out and the relevance is well and truly there.
Soccer doesn't have sides tanking to finish last.
LP, you're suggesting the sport is tainted by the diving, i'm suggesting the AFL is even further tainted by the use of PEDs. Not hard to figure out and the relevance is well and truly there.
I still don't get it.
Are you saying PEDs are not in soccer, is that your point?
Or are you saying the diving in soccer is trivial compared to PEDs.
But I see them both as cheating, so I am not sure why you discuss PEDs in AFL as a counter argument for the diving that occurs in soccer!
Soccer doesn't have sides tanking to finish last.
Hmm are you sure about that, sides have never lost a game to get into the right side of a world cup draw?
Can't agree with the topic. Love my soccer as much as my footy and I think if AFL was played at the scale soccer is then there would be more to complain about.
Can't believe anyone could defend diving in soccer. It's like Selwood ducking his head (disgraceful) and the EFC drug scandal (unforgivable). We acknowledge the flaws in our game and attempt to overcome them. Diving in soccer makes the game unwatchable to fringe viewers who are yet to commit to the game.
Soccer doesn't have sides tanking to finish last.
Hmm are you sure about that, sides have never lost a game to get into the right side of a world cup draw?
Yes I'm sure sides don't tank to finish last. Finish last in the leagues and your relegated, last in the cup groups and you're eliminated.
In the sporting world today we saw the very antithesis of Vertonghen.
Ryan Harris.
In the sporting world today we saw the very antithesis of Vertonghen.
Ryan Harris.
Hear, hear!
Can't believe anyone could defend diving in soccer. It's like Selwood ducking his head (disgraceful) and the EFC drug scandal (unforgivable). We acknowledge the flaws in our game and attempt to overcome them. Diving in soccer makes the game unwatchable to fringe viewers who are yet to commit to the game.
Selwood ducks his head far more regularly than diving occurs in soccer.
We are not defending diving in soccer. Its akin to all the things that fall into the category of "playing for a free kick" in either code.
Its part of both codes, and in fact all codes. You draw the contact and then ensure that contact is noticed. The end.
Some of it is borderline ridiculous which is a once in a blue moon proposition and that can occur in either code, and I can think of a couple of incidents off the top of my head. One is Jack Darling going down from a Marcus Davies push to draw a double goal, another is a double goal against Essendon a few years ago, in which Davey got in someone's face, after a goal, was given a little shove, and he went down like someone just shot him, resulting in a goal. That is ticky touchwood stuff, but the rules are clear.
One thing you will rarely see in soccer is a stuff up of such proportions in massive games like an elimination final. (in context, this was the difference between winning and losing given the final margin was 3 points and this is the Darling incident I just mentioned).
In any case, you cant condemn a code based on something that doesnt make up a major part of the game. That would be like turning away from footy based on the contact below the knees rule.
Can't believe anyone could defend diving in soccer. It's like Selwood ducking his head (disgraceful) and the EFC drug scandal (unforgivable). We acknowledge the flaws in our game and attempt to overcome them. Diving in soccer makes the game unwatchable to fringe viewers who are yet to commit to the game.
Selwood ducks his head far more regularly than diving occurs in soccer.
We are not defending diving in soccer. Its akin to all the things that fall into the category of "playing for a free kick" in either code.
Its part of both codes, and in fact all codes. You draw the contact and then ensure that contact is noticed. The end.
Some of it is borderline ridiculous which is a once in a blue moon proposition and that can occur in either code, and I can think of a couple of incidents off the top of my head. One is Jack Darling going down from a Marcus Davies push to draw a double goal, another is a double goal against Essendon a few years ago, in which Davey got in someone's face, after a goal, was given a little shove, and he went down like someone just shot him, resulting in a goal. That is ticky touchwood stuff, but the rules are clear.
One thing you will rarely see in soccer is a stuff up of such proportions in massive games like an elimination final. (in context, this was the difference between winning and losing given the final margin was 3 points and this is the Darling incident I just mentioned).
In any case, you cant condemn a code based on something that doesnt make up a major part of the game. That would be like turning away from footy based on the contact below the knees rule.
You make perfect sense. You could also include numerous examples based on Hayden Ballantyne as well.
In any case, you cant condemn a code based on something that doesnt make up a major part of the game. That would be like turning away from footy based on the contact below the knees rule.
Hasn't the AFL brought in rules following those incidents that players found diving without contact can be brought before the tribunal under the bringing the game in to disrepute rule, will soccer do the same?
I have no problem accepting the breadth of sports that it occurs in, I have a real problem when authorities of a sport ignore it, and I have a problem when fans of a sport worship the offenders like being deceptive or being a liar is a "skill" worth defending!
Hasn't the AFL brought in rules following those incidents that players found diving without contact can be brought before the tribunal under the bringing the game in to disrepute rule, will soccer do the same?
Since they brought in those rules, who has been charged?
A lot of soccer clubs fine their players for doing this for example Tony Pulis manager of Crystal Palace just fined his winger Jerome Thomas for falling over in the box with no contact.
A lot of soccer clubs fine their players for doing this for example Tony Pulis manager of Crystal Palace just fined his winger Jerome Thomas for falling over in the box with no contact.
How much has he been fined if it's a public donation to charity it is real, I read it as a reaction after the Vertonghen fact!
A lot of clubs, really, can you name the player fined previous to Jerome Thomas incident?
At a quick glance.....
Moyes has previously fined players at Everton for diving, including Phil Neville, now a member of his backroom staff at Old Trafford, and was outspoken in his criticisms of Luis Suárez – like Young, another with a history of diving – before the Merseyside derby last season.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/16/david-moyes-ashley-young-dive-manchester-united
At a quick glance.....
Moyes has previously fined players at Everton for diving, including Phil Neville, now a member of his backroom staff at Old Trafford, and was outspoken in his criticisms of Luis Suárez – like Young, another with a history of diving – before the Merseyside derby last season.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/16/david-moyes-ashley-young-dive-manchester-united
Another mystery fine, do you have any that actually quote an amount rather than imply a bag of jelly beans!
You realise I'm just clicking on the first thing I'm seeing this doesn't really require much effort.
The MLS Disciplinary Committee — after spending days debating whether to issue a first precedence-setting suspension for "diving" in a game — instead on Friday announced a decision to fine D.C. United forward Charlie Davies $1,000.
The play at issue happened in the 83rd minute of the June 18 match vs. Real Salt Lake.
http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2011-06-24/charlie-davies-dive-nets-1000-fine-DC-United
You realise I'm just clicking on the first thing I'm seeing this doesn't really require much effort.
The MLS Disciplinary Committee — after spending days debating whether to issue a first precedence-setting suspension for "diving" in a game — instead on Friday announced a decision to fine D.C. United forward Charlie Davies $1,000.
The play at issue happened in the 83rd minute of the June 18 match vs. Real Salt Lake.
http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2011-06-24/charlie-davies-dive-nets-1000-fine-DC-United
Based on your earlier arguments you offer $1000 fine to a bloke probably earning 600X ~ 1000X that amount annually, in a backyard competition what is more, as evidence of major league Soccer taking diving seriously. Really? You would have been better off referencing Dingley United.
And what is more you introduced ASADA and the AFL situation into this debate, with the penalties hanging over the heads of the players and the fines and penalties already handed out to the club and some of it's officials, and you offer a $1000 fine in a smuck competition as a serious comparison. Again Dingley United is a better reference.
You asked for an example I provided one. You then asked for one with a monetary value and I provided you with that. You need to learn how to become more gracious in defeat.
You asked for an example I provided one. You then asked for one with a monetary value and I provided you with that. You need to learn how to become more gracious in defeat.
When it happens I will be!
Thanks for proving my point! :))
Thanks for proving my point! :))
I haven't noticed a point yet? ;D
You asked for an example I provided one. You then asked for one with a monetary value and I provided you with that. You need to learn how to become more gracious in defeat.
Don't hold your breath.
You asked for an example I provided one. You then asked for one with a monetary value and I provided you with that. You need to learn how to become more gracious in defeat.
Don't hold your breath.
$1000 might be a lot of money in most peoples world, but in the world of soccer players it probably isn't even a round of drinks. Hardly a fine, more like losing some small change down the couch!
Given there are millions of betting dollars riding on those games, perhaps $100K might make a difference.
All day to think about it and thats what you come up with?
Not all of the soccer players are on big dollars and that could be a match payment for a player of that calibre.
All day to think about it and thats what you come up with?
Not all of the soccer players are on big dollars and that could be a match payment for a player of that calibre.
Obviously they play free after Beckham took all the US bikkies!
I mean poor Charlie Davies, only on $250K for a dozen or so games. In the season he was fined he was among the clubs highest paid and reported to be playing for bread and water on $250K ending up the league leading goal scorer. $1000 fine, yeah right! Most of these guys are reported to be earning far more off the field due to the fledgling leagues tight salary cap.
And Vertonghen isn't he on about $6M a season, what fine for him a round of drinks for the team and a cut of the dodgy betting pool?
It stinks mate, as bad as EFC and their pathetic PED attempts.
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/09/new-england-signs-charlie-davies-now-apparently-a-bigger-part-of-the-revolution-plan/
Only on 60k now. So given that information a $1000 fine would be fair as a sanction for that competition that can be applied unilaterally.
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/09/new-england-signs-charlie-davies-now-apparently-a-bigger-part-of-the-revolution-plan/
Only on 60k now. So given that information a $1000 fine would be fair as a sanction for that competition that can be applied unilaterally.
Except the $1000 fine came back when he was playing at D.C. United on $250K, back then he was probably wiping his arse with $1000 bills!
Of course we won't mention Vertonghen's unilateral fine, $0!
This Soccer game may be even more crooked than cycling!
Just ignore the troll and it will go away.
They tried that with the diving and it didn't work either! ;)
Lets finish this topic off with some great highlights of the world game as it has become!
[flash=460,360]http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/7QBPGXJE86I[/flash]
Fills my heart with pride just watching it! I particularly like to see that the games officials getting involved, the sport is in safe hands.
Now that you're done trolling the site's soccer fans I'll just lock the thread.