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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LordLucifer -
He was terrible. Defence wins premierships and he can't defend. With Saad and McGovern we can afford to have him there for his rebound but not now.

Ironically we played better when he went off against the Giants.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Lods -
If you have access to a crystal ball that allows us to predict anything other than the now, then let me know. ;)

Otherwise, we can only use previous trends and statistics to give our best guess on what will happen.

For the record i was being a bit broad with my 'full side' comments. I was more referring to a normal injury list of a handful of people.....rather than the umpteen we have now.

The problem is that being so adamant that a current trend is the basis for future outcomes is just illogical.
It may work out as predicted, it may not.
The game we follow is so fluid, so unpredictable, that the guy we criticise today is sometimes the champion of tomorrow.
We see it often when the first half of a player's season is compared to the second half.
In that respect things like statistics can be a 'brake' on our thinking.
We adopt a position based on stats and form at the time and refuse to move until it becomes so obvious that maybe things weren't so clear cut.

I have no idea what's going to happen, especially with the ruck situation.
Injuries, loss of form and other variables make it impossible to predict.
But I do keep an open mind, and try not to make definitive predictions.
If you do that with AFL you're probably going to be wrong as often as you're right.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
There’s a bit of a contradiction in your post. A lot of it is about the ‘future’(when it rains, when players return from injury) and what might happen, yet the judgements made on the two-ruck situation were made in the ‘present of 2023’ when there were aspects of both players not up to scratch, and both struggled a bit with injury at stages during the season.
Judging in the present is also one of the issues with statistics. They are a measure of the past, (even last weekend’s statistics). A string of good games by a player and those early season statistics can alter dramatically.

We don’t know what will happen in the games to come and a whole lot of variables will come into play. The team we’re playing at ‘present’ may be completely different to the side that takes the field at the end of the year. We may get players back… and/or (perish the thought) we may lose important players. There’s not a lot of point predicting a line-up with a full side to choose from, because that’s a pretty unlikely scenario.

If we do have a full side to choose from, they might as well just give us the cup.

If you have access to a crystal ball that allows us to predict anything other than the now, then let me know. ;)

Otherwise, we can only use previous trends and statistics to give our best guess on what will happen.

For the record i was being a bit broad with my 'full side' comments. I was more referring to a normal injury list of a handful of people.....rather than the umpteen we have now.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Lods -
@LP
The lack of a free for Williams and his response was only one aspect of criticism...not really important in the scheme of things.
I was talking more about the criticism centred around his defensive game and errors.
That's of greater concern than whether he staged for a free or not.
That's what he has to redeem in the eyes of some.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
The above assertion is just an extension of the media trying to peg Voss on a fixed selection strategy, nobody should be gifted a spot, the MC should not take a formulaic approach. the real world is not like Supercoach.

Week to week MC selections should be based on merit, conditions and the strategy of the day. I hope our MC will be clever enough to analyse and pick the eyes out of the best strategies for each opponent, some weeks we might go tall, some weeks we might go small.

Every week the opposition will try to leverage our deficiencies, if we are predictable it becomes easier for them, like last weekend kicking it on the head of Charlie or BigH who were stuck between 2 or 3 defenders.

Call it what you want, but its simple facts. 30 into 23 doesn't go and someone has to make way.

The players i mentioned will be one of the ones who make way when we get players of the calibre of Saad, McGovern, Cerra.....even Fogarty, Martin, Cuningham, Motlop.....not to mention Docherty, Silvagni next year as well.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
He's come in for some severe criticism so the onus is on him now to prove his mettle.
It's a character test for him, and he has the talent to rise to it...it's whether he has the attitude and will.
@Lods Fans carry on a bit, they bang on about it was just an arm across the body, no force, etc., etc..

But from an AFL perspective that delay from somewhat trivial contact costs you 2 or 3 steps, and 2 or 3 steps of an AFL player on the move is 6 or 7 metres, you'll never close the gap unless you are chasing a dullard like Riewoldt.

In NRL, they look for shoulder to shoulder, if a player is detained illegally it's a professional foul with either a send off, a penalty try or sometimes both! The AFL need to look at this as part of the score review chain, to stop those two bullcrap incidents enacted by Handbagger players.

I don't care if it's in the fall of the ball zone, I want to see the contest in that zone, but this sh1zen happening 20m or 30m away from the footy is a joke. Scott's learned that his blokes can get away with if it's far enough off the ball, and it delivers them a field wide overlap.

Perhaps a few players need to hand out a Barry Hall solution to scraging, reminds me of the good old days when Yarran dropped the pest Chapman! The media jumped on Yarran, but Yarran copped his whack, they said nothing about Chapman's poking, pinching, ankle kicking tactics behind play.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
What happened to Williams has always been a free, his flopping is a symptom of the Handbaggers being allowed to scrag and delay players way off the ball. Even if he wasn't scraged it's unlikely he would have got half way to the opponent before they scored, it's the absence of the free that changed the game not Williams ability to get near the fall of the ball.

The discussion about Williams is a smokescreen to stop the focus on an illegal Handbagger tactics, nothing more and nothing less.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by madbluboy -
I wondered whether the Fox commentators would admit they got it wrong on the Williams incident after the MRO handed out a fine but I didn't think so. They have now doubled down and called for his dropping. Do these people ever wonder why no one actually like them.

He was terrible. Defence wins premierships and he can't defend. With Saad and McGovern we can afford to have him there for his rebound but not now.

Ironically we played better when he went off against the Giants.