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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #886 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Meanwhile, back in the real world.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/coronavirus-black-lives-matter-protest-linked-to-tower-cluster/news-story/197ffe79f3e0044be2ee1495c5708364

Good one, FB. You say 'back in the real world,' then quote an article from a News Corp rag (probably find that the person at the BLM rally who passed it on -- if true -- got it from a gal from Qld who got it from a fella from a boat who got it from...) There's a sad bloke who writes for the HUN called Andrew Bolt... I think you'd love him.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #887 –
Quote from: LP – on
I want to post some support for our doctors and nurses, to all the medical and hospital staff as well as those in our GP clinics. They are superstars and heroes, as heroic as any war veteran.

The media paint some ideological picture that we are good or superior at dealing with this clinic, but reality is we've just been lucky because locally we didn't have a Trump type in control. Someone who's inaction has cost more lives than a war!

So far locally demand for critical care hasn't outstripped the resources available, but there is a very good chance that is about to be tested and Thry will probably confirm they are gearing up for that right now.

Great acknowledgment, Spotted One. The medical care in this country is 2nd to none... in fact, to date, our survival rates for C-19 are at the world pinnacle. Yes, our medical people are absolute bloody champs... and let's not forget that when this is well and truly under control these folks will need some deep care as well... burn-out and vicarious PTSD will need to be addressed. Wrapped you brought up this topic.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #888 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Good one, FB. You say 'back in the real world,' then quote an article from a News Corp rag (probably find that the person at the BLM rally who passed it on -- if true -- got it from a gal from Qld who got it from a fella from a boat who got it from...) There's a sad bloke who writes for the HUN called Andrew Bolt... I think you'd love him.
We can sort of see the writing on the wall for these types, they seem to fall within two categories, The Best of British Officers, and The Cat Callers.

The British Officers are always the ones always calling for a charge but they never lead it, they always command from the safety of the home fortifications while musing about the horrors of war! Their actions do not match words, and when things go wrong it's due to a shortfall in grunt fortitude or a failure of logistics.

The Cat Callers offer derision, they may even provoke a riot to create dissent, but they sob like children for support when their behaviour catches up with them. When the truncheons come out they are always claiming persecution. They are always looking for someone to rescue them, they always look for others to blame for circumstances of their own doing. They may get infected first, then they'll spread the disease to others who have been trying to do the right thing, before they try to lay the blame for their circumstance on some other poor dupe. If they survive they claim it was nothing of consequence, and that those who died around them only have themselves to blame. The Cat Callers are anarchists and finger-pointers.

For those who notice, yes I'm using inclusive language deliberately.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #889 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Good one, FB. You say 'back in the real world,' then quote an article from a News Corp rag (probably find that the person at the BLM rally who passed it on -- if true -- got it from a gal from Qld who got it from a fella from a boat who got it from...) There's a sad bloke who writes for the HUN called Andrew Bolt... I think you'd love him.

Cheap shot Baggers.

Don't engage if that's your best.
Finals, then 4 in a row!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #890 –
There's no doubt that, for the largest part, the nation owes the front liners our thanks and far ahead of some woeful political bungling and mismanagement.  The cost of all of this is gonna hurt     



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #891 –
To those claiming this is all Dans fault because he put inept security guards in charge. THink about it this way,

If people listened to the advice he has given. Stay home. Social distance. Wear masks. etc.

There would be zero cases.

People don't take responsibility for themselves.....and thats dans fault?
The security guard is apparantly free of blame in the eyes of most......somehow its dans fault.

Everyone knows what to do.
People are not doing it.

Great line from Men In Black.
"A person is smart. People are dumb"

Dans 'issue'? He looks at us as individuals rather than as a collective.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #892 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
To those claiming this is all Dans fault because he put inept security guards in charge. THink about it this way,

If people listened to the advice he has given. Stay home. Social distance. Wear masks. etc.

There would be zero cases.

People don't take responsibility for themselves.....and thats dans fault?
The security guard is apparantly free of blame in the eyes of most......somehow its dans fault.

Everyone knows what to do.
People are not doing it.

Great line from Men In Black.
"A person is smart. People are dumb"

Dans 'issue'? He looks at us as individuals rather than as a collective.

That's naff Kruddler.

Of course the security crew are at fault - that's beyond obvious.

That doesn't negate the government's culpability.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #893 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
That's naff Kruddler.

Of course the security crew are at fault - that's beyond obvious.

That doesn't negate the government's culpability.

You're not getting it, FB. No, the security guards were maybe complicit and perhaps incompetent BUT it is still the responsibility of each and every citizen to NOT want to break quarantine guidelines. It is no more simple than that. Everyone plays ball, C-19 comes under control.

Are you culpable if one of your subordinates deliberately and willfully disobeys your instructions?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #894 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
That's naff Kruddler.

Of course the security crew are at fault - that's beyond obvious.

That doesn't negate the government's culpability.

....yet still no mention about who the security guard did the deed with.

2 people (at least) to blame before you get to Dan Andrews.
I'm tipping Dan Andrews didn't hire the security guard personally either.
Did he personally hire the company who hired the security guard?
How many people in the 'chain of command' do we need to go through before we get to Dan Andrews?

Ultimately the buck stops at the top, but all this hysteria is like trying to fire the CEO of a global bank because some work experience kid lost a $1 coin under the desk when counting out some cash at your local bank.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #895 –
I blame the selfishness of some people. If the people told to quarantine for 14 days after returning from overseas could be trusted to do so we wouldn't need any security guards at the hotels. Same type of thing still happening at a large scale, kfc parties etc.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #896 –
Why all this obfuscation?  Dan has overseen this mess.  The buck stops with him, he admits it, as he should.

Read billions of bucks and many peoples long term health and lives even.

Quarantine should be just that, quarantine. Not difficult to predict that people would break the rules so no point blaming them.  Its the processes put in place that have let us down badly. Other states got it right so it wasn't that hard.

Dan talked about complacency but it seems that he, the health department and other officials who ignored warnings were guilty of exactly that.  Allowing the BLM protest attests it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #897 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
To those claiming this is all Dans fault because he put inept security guards in charge. THink about it this way,

If people listened to the advice he has given. Stay home. Social distance. Wear masks. etc.

There would be zero cases.

People don't take responsibility for themselves.....and thats dans fault?
The security guard is apparantly free of blame in the eyes of most......somehow its dans fault.

Everyone knows what to do.
People are not doing it.

Great line from Men In Black.
"A person is smart. People are dumb"

Dans 'issue'? He looks at us as individuals rather than as a collective.
The security guards were as dumb as dog crape, the person who put them into that position is even dumber.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #898 –
Quote from: bratblue – on
Quarantine should be just that, quarantine. Not difficult to predict that people would break the rules so no point blaming them.  Its the processes put in place that have let us down badly. Other states got it right so it wasn't that hard.
It's quarantine not jail.

I heard a report from one of the top brass police that suggested they didn't even officially have the power to enforce it! the laws have been watered down under human rights agendas.

If you want an idea for why stuff like this is so hard in Victoria go ask Julian Burnside or Susan Carland!

Did you notice Dannii Minogue is being guarded by a "Trusted 3rd Party" under an industry formulated quarantine scheme, all ticked off by the Qld state government and medical officers, as was the Vic plan. "Trusted 3rd Party", Industry Plan, read "Security Guards"!

btw., The Qld Health Minister freely offered a list of critical industries that have an agreed exemption under an industry wide plan.
Entertainment! (Critical Industry!) :o
Mining (The current drop in carbon emissions is intolerable, don't mention the war!)
Health
Military (Hunting illegal Victorians)
Police
Emergency Services (Blocking border crossings with volunteer fire fighters!)
Politicians
Bureaucracy
Transport
Fishing (Welcome to the reef whalers and Nth Korean fishermen)
Tourism (Who the feck is coming?)
Agriculture (Can't do without our 457 Visa holders, profits will dive!)

In other words, about 1/2 the Qld population it seems!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #899 –
Part of Dan's job imo would be to protect the people of Victoria from threats to their well-being, posed in various forms including pandemics. All likely risks should be assessed and mitigated in provision of that protection, including the one of people ignoring or under-estimating the threat and not willingly following directions, a not unheard of phenomenon. The security at quarantine sites has been clearly shown to be inadequate i.e. was a failure - a failure of risk assessment, a failure of decision making and a failure of process. This all reefs back to the Victorian government of which Daniel Andrews is the leader.

I'm not a particular fan of his - he has overseen some good stuff and some bad stuff imo but this has to go down as a bad one imho.
Reality always wins in the end.