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Title: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on March 28, 2024, 09:15:50 pm
Already for tomorrow.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 29, 2024, 07:14:42 pm
How stiff is Marchy?

After a horror start, he worked his way back into the game only to be KOd by Boyd landing on his head. 🤞that he wasn’t concussed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: spf on March 29, 2024, 07:20:21 pm
I thought Elijah Hollands had a pretty solid first hit out. He had 22 touches, 6 marks, 5 tackles, 2 clearances and a goal. I liked it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 29, 2024, 07:22:57 pm
Did what we had to and what I expected. Solid contribution across the board.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: cookie2 on March 29, 2024, 07:24:30 pm
I thought Elijah Hollands had a pretty solid first hit out. He had 22 touches, 6 marks, 5 tackles, 2 clearances and a goal. I liked it.

A good debut and I thought he got better as the game went on and he settled in more.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: spf on March 29, 2024, 07:27:58 pm
Corey Durdin kicked two, but when you look at his game time compared to Fantasia and what he produced, I wouldn't be surprised to see a change.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: northernblue on March 29, 2024, 07:44:53 pm
I thought Elijah Hollands had a pretty solid first hit out. He had 22 touches, 6 marks, 5 tackles, 2 clearances and a goal. I liked it.

Scratchy start but finished the game well
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 29, 2024, 07:45:49 pm
A good debut and I thought he got better as the game went on and he settled in more.

Yes, Lij looked lost and fumbly in the first quarter but steadily worked his way into the game.  His last quarter was outstanding.

I think we’ve found a player!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on March 29, 2024, 07:49:00 pm
How stiff is Marchy?

After a horror start, he worked his way back into the game only to be KOd by Boyd landing on his head. 🤞that he wasn’t concussed.

I sat next the bench he was out of it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on March 29, 2024, 07:51:37 pm
Kemp or Young back next week then
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: pertz on March 29, 2024, 07:53:34 pm
A solid professional win. Hope CC is ok. Happy with the outcome.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 29, 2024, 08:04:51 pm
Might start calling Owies Cyril, doesn't touch it much but he does...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on March 29, 2024, 08:09:47 pm
Kemp or Young back next week then

Has to be Kemp, did well in the Magoos.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: pinot on March 29, 2024, 08:39:22 pm
Elijah is a keeper his workrate is insane
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Lods on March 29, 2024, 08:55:52 pm
Really felt for Larkey.
I don't like seeing people upset.
And I don't think he got full enjoyment out of the game. :D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: northernblue on March 29, 2024, 09:01:59 pm
Really felt for Larkey.
I don't like seeing people upset.
And I don't think he got full enjoyment out of the game. :D

🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: bratblue on March 29, 2024, 09:22:58 pm
I thought Elijah Hollands had a pretty solid first hit out. He had 22 touches, 6 marks, 5 tackles, 2 clearances and a goal. I liked it.

It was nice to see double dutch out there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Mantis on March 29, 2024, 09:32:20 pm
Some great performances and some silly brain fade disposals. Acres had me worried in the second half. He can either be a freak and quality number one, or I just need to close my eyes when he has the ball. Not bagging him and he wasn’t the only player up and down like a yo-yo. Glad we won, and won well. I would have exploded if it ended up a goal or two result. Our list is far too good for close results against kids.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: rocky on March 29, 2024, 11:35:17 pm
It's late and I've had a few, but I'd love it if we could just smash a club like the good old days. Like really smash them.
Maybe next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 30, 2024, 06:42:27 am
I like how we play with controlled aggression (directed mainly at the footy). However we do know when to fly the flag and Weiters and Crippa are the "Captains" in that area. No longer do we get pushed around, fake toughness that teams like Norf and the Cheats display only costs them free kicks and 50s.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Lods on March 30, 2024, 07:50:09 am
I suspect this win might not get the merit it deserves, because I actually thought the opposition wasn't too bad.
North are a young side with a bit of talent coming through.
They moved the ball really well at times, but just lacked a bit of polish and discipline....yet we've beaten them by nearly ten goals.
There was a point in the game around the middle of the third where we started to get a bit 'lairy' and they kicked a couple of goals. It was good to see that checked.
Clarkson actually talked us up in his presser (probably as a bit of a deflection) but he said....
Coming off the bye they were "just so fresh and strong, they're a strong side anyway".
He also made mention of our pressure which he said was "supreme".
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on March 30, 2024, 08:28:33 am
I suspect this win might not get the merit it deserves, because I actually thought the opposition wasn't too bad.
North are a young side with a bit of talent coming through.
They moved the ball really well at times, but just lacked a bit of polish and discipline....yet we've beaten them by nearly ten goals.
There was a point in the game around the middle of the third where we started to get a bit 'lairy' and they kicked a couple of goals. It was good to see that checked.
Clarkson actually talked us up in his presser (probably as a bit of a deflection) but he said....
Coming off the bye they were "just so fresh and strong, they're a strong side anyway".
He also made mention of our pressure which he said was "supreme".

It was a good convincing win against a side who has a bit of talent but never really worried us.  They did move it end to end far too easily at times and largely we have played pretty ordinary at times this season. 

The good thing is no matter how bad we are going we seem to turn it on and then eclipse sides.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: pinot on March 30, 2024, 08:39:50 am
Cottrell is one of the players to work in space and stop the transition and quite frankly first three games have been woeful. Lucky to get a tackle out of him at the moment.
Ollie had a better game - much more productive
Durdin is a nice finisher but four touches and one tackle in three qtrs of football is not enough.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 30, 2024, 08:43:30 am
Cottrell is one of the players to work in space and stop the transition and quite frankly first three games have been woeful. Lucky to get a tackle out of him at the moment.
Ollie had a better game - much more productive
Durdin is a nice finisher but four touches and one tackle in three qtrs of football is not enough.
And yet Cotts covered more ground than anyone (again) with 15.9km. People might not think so but he plays his role every week, sometimes its a sacrificial one which utilises his running power.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Micky0 on March 30, 2024, 08:58:19 am
And yet Cotts covered more ground than anyone (again) with 15.9km. People might not think so but he plays his role every week, sometimes its a sacrificial one which utilises his running power.
Agree, love Cotters endeavour and am sure, as has been in the media this week, he sacrifices his own game to allow others to maximise theirs - for the betterment of the team.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: pinot on March 30, 2024, 09:12:03 am
Not doing enough for mine - give Binns a go
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on March 30, 2024, 09:19:09 am
Strong four qtr effort. Love that.
Welcome back, Weiters... brought his authority to the backline, and rapt to see him flying the flag when needed.
J Carroll coming along nicely.
To those on here who suggested Marchbank should have returned via the Magoos - you were right.
Lij silenced his doubters. Now to back it up.
Hewett - the quiet achiever.
Terrific team effort against a willing opponent.

As an aside, typical Clarkson coached side. Anyone else notice the number of spoils that 'accidently' made fist with head contact? H & Ollie particular victims. Then there were the knees in tight contests...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 30, 2024, 10:33:00 am
North were out of their depth experience, size and maturity wise and I thought we played well in patches and it was a ok win doing what we had to but nothing special.
Marchbank was a silly selection ahead of Young and Kemp but we are used to the MC stuffing up but it was no big deal vs average opposition. Nice return from Weitering who showed why he is the hardest player to replace in the team and didnt take long to sort Larkey out and a few others. Our old mate Zurhaar looked disinterested and I reckon will leave at Nth at seasons end.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: cookie2 on March 30, 2024, 10:49:05 am
We had a few lapses but the outcome never looked in any doubt imo. Cuts to the NM coaching box showed Clarko with a look of absolute resignation on his face.  NM are a long term project and its hard to judge how good we actually are against them but I was pleased enough with our efforts. Zurhaar looked pretty matey with Cripps after the game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 30, 2024, 11:09:09 am
And yet Cotts covered more ground than anyone (again) with 15.9km. People might not think so but he plays his role every week, sometimes its a sacrificial one which utilises his running power.

It would be interesting to know just how many contests he gets to.  While he might not end up with the pill, he is certainly influencing the outcome. 

Cotters is a smart footballer.  He gets into good positions and makes the most of his opportunities; the one-two with Harry in the pocket was a prime example.

If he keeps playing the same way, his place in the 22 is assured.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: stevie-poo on March 30, 2024, 11:13:15 am
CARNA BLUE BAGGERS!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 30, 2024, 11:13:28 am
The interview with George Hewett was interesting.  He was asked about his run with role on Davies-Uniacke in the first quarter.  George looked a little sheepish and said that he had that role for the entire game 🙂
Title: Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 30, 2024, 11:15:09 am
I sat next the bench he was out of it.

Vossy confirmed that Marchy is under the concussion protocols.  Poor blighter can’t take a trick 🙁
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on March 30, 2024, 02:50:12 pm
That jersey that Norf players wore was a shocker to look at
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: laj on March 30, 2024, 03:25:06 pm
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/03/30/only-eight-times-in-five-years-the-extraordinary-marker-in-win-over-roos/
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LP on March 30, 2024, 03:41:28 pm
I good win, but it feels like we still have not yet clicked.

It's so hard to tell in modern footy, to gauge the intensity, are the fumbles pressure and pace related or just players being a bit off.

From the start BigH looked like he was on, Hewett also looked switched on, Cripps was switched on, probably McGovern, the rest seemed to be a bit off the pace. I thought the Norp kids in the midfield showed us up for pace at various times, but they made bad choices under pressure which turned it over.

I thought it was a good from Carroll, given Norp are young it is a game that is good game to use as relative judgement for Carroll's draft peers. ( The classical music bloke Wardlaw looks to be a pick of the litter, reminds me of a young Voss. )

Marchbank unlucky again, but horribly out of touch early, that start was a goal away from becoming an MC shocker.

Fantasia, this is a player who has been in the system a decade this year and he looks timid, not sure AFL game time is doing him any favours, he looks massively down on confidence and off the pace.

Elijah Hollands started sketchy but ended up showing what I had expected from Fantasia. Played like a bloke who knows Walsh is returning, played like his life depended on it. If Elijah keeps playing like that it's going to make life very interesting at MC.

TDK slow start, still not convinced he's a solo against the likes of Xerri, TDK had some 2nd half influence but mostly due to Xerri's errors. It's a weird game style the AFL is going through at the moment, at one stage we had BigH versus Larkey in the centre, it's like using your best wine glasses as a hammer and chisel. Sooner or later someone is going to suffer a tragedy and this trend will end.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 30, 2024, 03:54:06 pm
I good win, but it feels like we still have not yet clicked.

It's so hard to tell in modern footy, to gauge the intensity, are the fumbles pressure and pace related or just players being a bit off.

From the start BigH looked on, Hewett looked on, Cripps looked on, probably McGovern, the rest seemed to be a bit off the pace.

I thought it was a good from Carroll, given Norp are young it is a game that is good game to use as relative judgement for Carroll's draft peers. ( The classical music bloke Wardlaw looks to be a pick of the litter, reminds me of a young Voss. )

Marchbank unlucky again, but horribly out of touch early, that start was a goal away from becoming an MC shocker.

Fantasia, this is a player who has been in the system a decade this year and he looks timid, not sure AFL game time is doing him any favours, he looks massively down on confidence and off the pace. Elijah Hollands started sketchy but ended up showing what I had expected from Fantasia.

TDK slow start, still not convinced he's a solo against the likes of Xerri, TDK had some 2nd half influence but mostly due to Xerri's errors. It's a weird game style the AFL is going through at the moment, at one stage we had BigH versus Larkey in the centre, it's like using your best wine glasses as a hammer. Sooner or later someone is going to suffer a tragedy.
I think Wardlaw lacks a yard of pace....no doubt he contests well and is very Ben Cunningham like imho.  I think Sheezel is the best of that crop as he is multi sided and good in traffic. Id expect Nth to concentrate on talls at both end of the ground in the next few drafts and offload some players looking for draft picks.
Agree...a few of our players looked a bit off their game but as we know you often get dragged down to the oppositions level and the game gets scrappy. eg Charlie could have kicked ten but was a bit fumbly with his marks and casual with his kicking..
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 30, 2024, 05:55:07 pm
It was good to see Fantasia get involved when he was subbed on.  His ball use was good and he was very quick to choose the right option.

Durdin didn't have much impact when he came on last week but I think it would be good to alternate him and Fantasia as the sub for the next couple of games.  They both have the ability to make the most from limited opportunities.

Twenty-one goals from eleven individual goal kickers is a nice spread; nine from key forwards, six from small forwards, and six from midfielders.  We just needed De Koning and a defender or two to score and it would have been perfect.  Yes, we were only playing North but I think they'll upset a few teams before the season is done.

How good is it to have Weiters back?  He was a bit rusty to start with but our defence is way more solid with Weiters leading the way ... and flying the flag with a bit of menace; Larkey may be a bit more circumspect when we meet them again.

Marchy was very shaky early one but he settled down and was playing quite well when Boyd landed on his head.  A bit of a loose cannon is Boydy and he needs to learn to just take out opposition players  ::)

Vossy was excellent with young Ollie in the post match presser.  He really is a natural communicator and doesn't try too hard.

A good win but none of the teams we've beaten have won a game yet.  Next week will be more of a challenge.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on March 30, 2024, 07:14:02 pm
I thought it was a good from Carroll, given Norp are young it is a game that is good game to use as relative judgement for Carroll's draft peers. ( The classical music bloke Wardlaw looks to be a pick of the litter, reminds me of a young Voss. )
Sergei Prokofiev: Romeo & Juliet; Montagues & Capulets: Honestly the only decent music they had. I was impressed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on March 30, 2024, 07:16:44 pm
That jersey that Norf players wore was a shocker to look at
It was 'better' than the one they had last year, because it didn't look quite as much like ours, but it was a shocker.
Really, if North want to wear our guernsey (it is the best going around), then they should have allowed Jack Elliot to take them over back in '80's or '90's.

I'm not unhappy that it didn't happen: too many nuffers at North, but still, you can see that they want to be us.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on March 30, 2024, 07:32:53 pm
It was good to see Fantasia get involved when he was subbed on.  His ball use was good and he was very quick to choose the right option.
He gave away a goal with a poor pass, but he did get involved. He seems to lost a year or two since his 'heyday'. To be honest, I'm glad he kicked his 1st goal for us. It was the sort of shot he used to make. But I think he's bound for the VFL when Motlop is back and firing. I was expecting Motlop to play, to be honest. Martin also has Fantasia well covered.

Durdin didn't have much impact when he came on last week but I think it would be good to alternate him and Fantasia as the sub for the next couple of games.  They both have the ability to make the most from limited opportunities.
Corey's 2 goals were nice, but he really didn't have a lot of influence. 4 possessions in 3 quarters isn't a huge reward.
Fantasia had 7 possessions in the last quarter.

Twenty-one goals from eleven individual goal kickers is a nice spread; nine from key forwards, six from small forwards, and six from midfielders.  We just needed De Koning and a defender or two to score and it would have been perfect.  Yes, we were only playing North but I think they'll upset a few teams before the season is done.
North have talent. The AFL saw to that. Their midfield is going to be good in the next few years. Xerri is a decent ruckman and their game style is dangerous. Still, I'm glad we beat them so thoroughly. It was our largest score against North since 1988!

How good is it to have Weiters back?  He was a bit rusty to start with but our defence is way more solid with Weiters leading the way ... and flying the flag with a bit of menace; Larkey may be a bit more circumspect when we meet them again.
Jacob is the keystone to our defence. Looking at the 2's, both Young and Kemp were OK, but both made some shocking errors (Kemp mostly by foot) and their 15 m passing game just doesn't do it for me. However, at least one of them will come in next week.

Marchy was very shaky early one but he settled down and was playing quite well when Boyd landed on his head.  A bit of a loose cannon is Boydy and he needs to learn to just take out opposition players  ::)
Marchbank was very lucky to have played, to be honest. This was his first serious hitout for the year and it showed. However, he was pretty unlucky to be concussed. Shows just how injury prone he is, alas.
As for Boyd, he made some shocking errors, but he did a couple of 2nd efforts that were stunningly good. His kicking, when on, was great (but it wasn't always on). Still, if he takes out a few opposition players, instead of ours, he'll keep his spot.
Cincotta showed another side to his game in the VFL: he played as a mid and did a good job. So Boyd has to keep playing well.
Billy Wilson could eventually replace Boyd, as he has real run and dash. But he isn't great in the air (or wasn't yesterday).

Vossy was excellent with young Ollie in the post match presser.  He really is a natural communicator and doesn't try too hard.
I didn't see it. :(

A good win but none of the teams we've beaten have won a game yet.  Next week will be more of a challenge.
We have yet to win on the Adelaide Oval.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Blue Moon on March 30, 2024, 07:33:31 pm
McKay was very strong, Charlie was a threat, E.Hollands looks a player and Weitering was excellent as always. Our midfield is so dangerous out of the middle.  TDK is getting very consistent in the ruck. Our disposal and decision making is still a problem at time but they appear to have faith in the system they are playing so mistakes will happen when you are backing yourself in. Defence is solid and the forward are starting to get some continuity. We have four or five out injured and four or five who could probably hold their spot in the side so our depth is looking good. Still not playing our best at the moment but we are playing better than what we were doing this time last year. We want to be playing our best at the end of the season.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 30, 2024, 09:45:53 pm
Not doing enough for mine - give Binns a go
Binns has the body of a 13 year old, he will get smashed to pieces at AFL senior level, that's why he hasn't got a game yet IMO. Not a hope in hell he gets a game ahead of Cotts.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 30, 2024, 10:01:20 pm
He gave away a goal with a poor pass, but he did get involved. He seems to lost a year or two since his 'heyday'. To be honest, I'm glad he kicked his 1st goal for us. It was the sort of shot he used to make. But I think he's bound for the VFL when Motlop is back and firing. I was expecting Motlop to play, to be honest. Martin also has Fantasia well covered.
 Corey's 2 goals were nice, but he really didn't have a lot of influence. 4 possessions in 3 quarters isn't a huge reward.
Fantasia had 7 possessions in the last quarter.

Fantasia’s poor pass was fairly typical of a bloke not quite up to the pace and pressure of the game, but I think he’ll get better.  Slotting that goal, which was his bread and butter, should help his confidence.

His pass to Owies, when he was well within range, was an important team first moment.

Owies and Durdin certainly made the most of their opportunities, and that’s all you can ask for from your small forwards (defensive work inside the forward 50 being a given).

I think our first choice medium/small forwards will be Martin, Motlop and Owies.  Fantasia and Durdin will be depth players and subs.  Ten games each out of Fantasia and Durdin will be a reasonable outcome.  Of course, Fantasia, at this stage, is a short term option and Durdin should be given a season or two to develop his craft.  Fantasia’s footy smarts and leadership are also considerations.

As bad as Fantasia’s goal-yielding pass was, McGovern’s was significantly worse.



Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 30, 2024, 10:10:16 pm
Binns has the body of a 13 year old, he will get smashed to pieces at AFL senior level, that's why he hasn't got a game yet IMO. Not a hope in hell he gets a game ahead of Cotts.

I’m not sure that VFL is much softer than AFL and I think that Binnsy would be fine if he got a game.  The thing is that he’s not competing with Cotters for a spot in the team.  He’s got to displace one of the Hollands brothers or Fogarty.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LordLucifer on March 31, 2024, 09:23:43 am
Had to work Friday & Saturday so wasn't home at all, had to get a room on the road for the night.

Watched the second half of the match drinking a schooner of Tooheys Old & scoffing a chicken parmy at the Argyle Hotel in Moss Vale (southern highlands).

There was a fair bit to like about this game but felt we should have won by a lot more, North are rubbish. One of my close buddies from school is a died in the wool Kangas fan and all he could sook up about was how they got reamed by the umpires. Was he watching the same game as me ??

Elijah Hollands showed some glimpses of what he has to offer, hope he keeps going with it.

Cerra looks at odds to me, uncharacteristically poor.

Curnow plays in bursts, it would be interesting to see what he could do if he went like that for a whole game, he'd probably kick 15-20.

Did TDK really lower his colours to that blonk Xerri ??

I have serious concerns about Fantasia's longterm viabilty, whilst others seem to like what he does, I'm not impressed at all. I'm also not enjoying Kennedy's output at present either, seems to making some poor decisions at crucial times, he's better than that.   

Thought Weitering showed great leadership when he went in & grabbed Larkey and yanked him off the wrestling maul on the ground and then as they were all breaking up, he pointed the finger at Larkey with an angry face and said something obviously along the lines of "pull your screwing head in mate".

We still need a few more players with some aggro, we are getting rid of the Von Trapps's but not quick enough IMO.  

 

    
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on March 31, 2024, 10:09:54 am
There was a fair bit to like about this game but felt we should have won by a lot more, North are rubbish. One of my close buddies from school is a died in the wool Kangas fan and all he could sook up about was how they got reamed by the umpires. Was he watching the same game as me ??
We had a lot more frees than North did, even if North's first 3 goals came due to frees. They were very undisciplined: they were trying to play like Clarkson and don't know how to do it yet, so there were 50 metre penalties and turnover frees a plenty. 34 frees to 21, and some of theirs were pretty lucky.



Curnow plays in bursts, it would be interesting to see what he could do if he went like that for a whole game, he'd probably kick 15-20.

Did TDK really lower his colours to that blonk Xerri ??
Xerri did a very good job against a guy who has been in career best form. Tom was a better alround player, getting kicks and marks around the ground, but Xerri was the reason they had so many clearances. I reckon Tom won on points, or I wouldn't have given him votes, but Xerri impressed me. I don't think he is as good as Goldstein, so trading Goldstein to the Drug Cheats strikes me as stupid, but that is another tale.

Thought Weitering showed great leadership when he went in & grabbed Larkey and yanked him off the wrestling maul on the ground and then as they were all breaking up, he pointed the finger at Larkey with an angry face and said something obviously along the lines of "pull your screwing head in mate".

We still need a few more players with some aggro, we are getting rid of the Von Trapps's but not quick enough IMO.      
Fair enough. I was impressed by Weitering's cool head, to be honest. Larkey (and no small number of his team mates) had lost the plot and were close to getting reported, (I wonder whose influence that is?) but Weitering was strong and firm and intelligent.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LordLucifer on March 31, 2024, 12:29:39 pm
Fair enough. I was impressed by Weitering's cool head, to be honest. Larkey (and no small number of his team mates) had lost the plot and were close to getting reported, (I wonder whose influence that is?) but Weitering was strong and firm and intelligent.

My point exactly !!

We need more players like him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 31, 2024, 01:57:21 pm
Blake Acres did his best to rectify his lack of out of bounds on the full kicks this season but just couldn't pull it off  :)

I didn't have him in my best players but he still made a valuable contribution.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on March 31, 2024, 02:25:49 pm
Blake Acres did his best to rectify his lack of out of bounds on the full kicks this season but just couldn't pull it off  :)

I didn't have him in my best players but he still made a valuable contribution.



Voss was tearing strips off him, the fact ACres was smiling seemed to infuriate him more.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 31, 2024, 02:34:31 pm
Voss was tearing strips off him, the fact ACres was smiling seemed to infuriate him more.

Vossy did seem particularly agitated at times and not his usual well controlled self.  Perhaps that contributed to our ruthless demolition of North in circumstances where we normally have backed off a bit 🤔
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: madbluboy on March 31, 2024, 02:37:22 pm
Vossy did seem particularly agitated at times and not his usual well controlled self.  Perhaps that contributed to our ruthless demolition of North in circumstances where we normally have backed off a bit 🤔

He didn't like when we were being a bit show boaty in the 3rd term.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 31, 2024, 03:14:40 pm
David King was impressed with our work:

“We know how tough they are in the middle and we know they’ve got the key forwards. They’ve got all the tools, all the ingredients.

Without the footy is the thing that’s hard to get elite level talent to buy into. They’ve always been good players, quality juniors or whatever.

So to go at 200 [pressure rating] yesterday, they’ve only done that eight times in five years. So that to me shows they don’t just want to beat a poor opposition… they want to crush them without the footy.

That’s a real statement.”

Despite have significantly more of the ball, we smashed North in tackles 76 to 55, and 19 of those tackles were inside 50.  We've got to bring that pressure next week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: WASurfer on March 31, 2024, 06:19:47 pm
Did what we had to do and probably should've won by more.

Is it just me, or is Charlie dropping a lot of marks in the first 3 weeks that he would've clunked easily in the past two seasons? Looks to be getting in the right spot and then just having the ball bounce straight out. Luckily he's like a cat when the ball hits the ground.

Harry is absolutely on at the moment....kicking goals but getting the ball all round the ground and marking everything that comes his way. It's an awesome double act to have.

The defence looked so much better with Weitering there. I was one suggesting Marchbank shouldn't come straight back in and nothing changed as the game wore on....not sure if he was on Zuurhar early on but, if he was, it was a terrible match up.

Hewett goes under the radar and is back playing good footy and I thought it was Cerra's best game of the season.

Hopefully Martin and Motlop come back in against Freo and one of Kemp or Young probably comes back in for Marchbank.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: frostydog on March 31, 2024, 06:39:40 pm
Fev's still got it!

https://7news.com.au/video/sport/brendan-fevola-kicks-amazing-goal-for-charity-bc-6349929837112
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: laj on March 31, 2024, 06:55:56 pm


A good win but none of the teams we've beaten have won a game yet. 

Have now!!!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on March 31, 2024, 07:33:41 pm
Have now!!!

Yes, Richmond’s nail biting win over the Swans makes us look even better  :)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on March 31, 2024, 08:19:03 pm
Fev's still got it!

https://7news.com.au/video/sport/brendan-fevola-kicks-amazing-goal-for-charity-bc-6349929837112
Absolutely, that goal was a classic! And it was Fev to a tee.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on April 01, 2024, 12:10:38 am

Without the footy is the thing that’s hard to get elite level talent to buy into. They’ve always been good players, quality juniors or whatever.

So to go at 200 [pressure rating] yesterday, they’ve only done that eight times in five years. So that to me shows they don’t just want to beat a poor opposition… they want to crush them without the footy.

That’s a real statement.”


The players who might previously have been considered to be 'fringe' players are no longer one-way players and those that were are no longer on the roster (e.g. Fisher, Honey), having made way for guys like Fogarty and Cottrell.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 01, 2024, 12:58:45 pm
The players who might previously have been considered to be 'fringe' players are no longer one-way players and those that were are no longer on the roster (e.g. Fisher, Honey), having made way for guys like Fogarty and Cottrell.

So the rebuild is finally done  :)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LoveNavy on April 01, 2024, 09:48:43 pm
Good win
Consistency solid
Cohesion building
Defence excellent
Goalkicking spread nicely
Gear shifting being refined
Attitude excellent
Pressure excellent and persistent
Hats off to tackling coaching
Poor b%gger Marchy
Weiters a true professional (love the aggro look)
New Blues Brothers looking smart
We can effectively host a newbie or two
Pressure for spots is there abouts
Vossy's a media class act

EDIT
McG has taken a battering, especially Lions / Roos. Hats off to associated staff
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Three Votes on April 02, 2024, 11:28:39 am
I've always felt that playing a rabble brings you down to their level somewhat, and a few dropped marks and missed kicks left me feeling that this was the case.

But....how bloody nice was it to finally go to a game and support a big strong side that simply brushes kids aside and kicks 20 goals in a business-like manner! It's been a loooooooong time since I went away from a game feeling like I did after this one.

Did what we had to do.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: RiverRat on April 02, 2024, 01:04:56 pm

Pressure excellent and persistent
Hats off to tackling coaching - a BIG YES


The ability to stick tackles, rather than have opponents break through arm-tackles, has been noticeable.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: tonyo on April 02, 2024, 02:37:03 pm
The ability to stick tackles, rather than have opponents break through arm-tackles, has been noticeable.
They need to introduce a new stat - tackles with more than one tackler involved.  We seem to have mastered this art.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Lods on April 02, 2024, 06:06:37 pm
They need to introduce a new stat - tackles with more than one tackler involved.  We seem to have mastered this art.

It's actually one of the things I look for these days.
When I see the multi-player tackles I know we're "on" in terms of pressure. ;D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 02, 2024, 08:01:24 pm
I caught the end of Daniel Hoyne covering off our game on SEN tonight, he talked about whether our ball movement has improved enough for us to be able to contend further than a PF. From the small sample size he has seen it was a yes. I was also very surprised to hear that young Boyd is rankled the 7th best kicker in the comp after three games! Perhaps I'll ease off on him for a bit. Dawson (from Adelaide I think) is ranked 1.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 03, 2024, 08:42:30 am
Good to see Harry getting the maximum coaches’ votes.  His form and its recognition by the coaches and most commentators is reward for the work that he put in over the off season, with Ash Hansen’s help.

It’s also vindication of Vossy’s decision to add ruck duties to Harry’s role.  His impact around the ground has been a major factor in our play and, if anything, has made Harry a more potent forward.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 03, 2024, 12:22:37 pm
And some praise for unsung heroes Cotters, Boydy, Georgie and Fog:

"Hoyne has praised hard running half-forward Matt Cottrell, George Hewett for his defensive work in the midfield, Jordan Boyd for his ball use and Lachie Fogarty, who is currently the number one player in the competition for tackles inside 50."

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/04/02/the-four-under-the-radar-carlton-players-deserving-of-praise-according-to/?fbclid=IwAR1C0JdRGLQ6Bx6sR6pY4ZM2_L0i3cF6XGxn-Yz0xMRGRBs61hT44Kol7qA
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 03, 2024, 12:55:38 pm
And some praise for unsung heroes Cotters, Boydy, Georgie and Fog:

"Hoyne has praised hard running half-forward Matt Cottrell, George Hewett for his defensive work in the midfield, Jordan Boyd for his ball use and Lachie Fogarty, who is currently the number one player in the competition for tackles inside 50."

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/04/02/the-four-under-the-radar-carlton-players-deserving-of-praise-according-to/?fbclid=IwAR1C0JdRGLQ6Bx6sR6pY4ZM2_L0i3cF6XGxn-Yz0xMRGRBs61hT44Kol7qA
We don't need someone telling us how good and valuable George, Fog and Cotters are. We knew of George's class and Cotters workrate. however Fog in particular has reinvented himself and good on him. As I said, I was surprised at how highly Boyd was rated.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 03, 2024, 01:21:22 pm
WeI don't need someone telling us how good and valuable George, Fog and Cotters are. We knew of George's class and Cotters workrate. however Fog in particular has reinvented himself and good on him. As I said, I was surprised at how highly Boyd was rated.

Yet we still have supporters suggesting that one or more of that quartet aren't doing enough and should be replaced.  It's good to see a neutral observer confirming my impressions.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 03, 2024, 03:50:06 pm
Yet we still have supporters suggesting that one or more of that quartet aren't doing enough and should be replaced.  It's good to see a neutral observer confirming my impressions.
Agreed, our brand of footy is one of being selfless, committed to the contest and one which is not overly reliant on one or two stars. It wasn't that long ago that we (certainly me) lamented "too much left to too few". Now its the complete opposite.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: DJC on April 03, 2024, 04:47:43 pm
Agreed, our brand of footy is one of being selfless, committed to the contest and one which is not overly reliant on one or two stars. It wasn't that long ago that we (certainly me) lamented "too much left to too few". Now its the complete opposite.

And I think that shows with the few starting to shine in different ways; Crippa is more of the icing on the cake than the baking dish, if that makes sense.  Rather than carrying his teammates, he is being carried along with his teammates and is getting more outside ball and more time to make his disposals count.  His 75% disposal efficiency is the highest he's managed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Post by: LoveNavy on April 03, 2024, 10:20:11 pm
And some praise for unsung heroes Cotters, Boydy, Georgie and Fog:

"Hoyne has praised hard running half-forward Matt Cottrell, George Hewett for his defensive work in the midfield, Jordan Boyd for his ball use and Lachie Fogarty, who is currently the number one player in the competition for tackles inside 50."

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/04/02/the-four-under-the-radar-carlton-players-deserving-of-praise-according-to/?fbclid=IwAR1C0JdRGLQ6Bx6sR6pY4ZM2_L0i3cF6XGxn-Yz0xMRGRBs61hT44Kol7qA

They've all played important roles and shown improvements. I think most of us see their value but it's great to see them acknowledged more widely.
Their progress is a symptom of a club that has finally lined up many of it's ducks.

Waiting for the thing to turn and click has been painful. It's so invigorating to see the changes unfold and stick.

Our youngsters will be the next crop to show that supercharged progress. Carroll, Motlop (injuries permitting), Cowan to name a few. I'm keen to watch the real newbies development.