A few weeks ago this would have been our 'danger game'. Now the Collingwood one is looking harder. But, are we ready to take on a team with a full list?
It's early in the week but the thought of a Gawn/Jackson/Viney/Petracca/Oliver/Brayshaw midfield taking on us without Cripps, Kennedy and Hewett doesn't bare thinking about. I think Pittonet has to play this week.
It's early in the week but the thought of a Gawn/Jackson/Viney/Petracca/Oliver/Brayshaw midfield taking on us without Cripps, Kennedy and Hewett doesn't bare thinking about. I think Pittonet has to play this week.
We will get hammered if Cripps is out...Dees have a tough midfield and the best rucks in the comp, be doing well to be competitive.
Put Stocker on the ball.
Put Stocker on the ball.
Trying to make him a back pocket player where he can help in the midfield asap.
Phew... For a nanosecond I mistakenly thought Cochin might have been in trouble, but he got off again. What a surprise. My bad.
I reckon Cripps probably deserved a week but it's amazing how frequently we get done for line ball stuff yet other clubs, with serial recidivists, seem to get their players off.
We will get hammered if Cripps is out...Dees have a tough midfield and the best rucks in the comp, be doing well to be competitive.
IF ?
As Clubber Lang said about his fight with Rocky, "Pain".
Not sure I will be able to bear watching this one.
Not sure I will be able to bear watching this one.
The following week will be worse for host of reasons Cook.
Dees and Pies will be licking their lips knowing they face the swiftly sinking Blues.
Some great gains against a variety of changes and challenges. Unfortunately I think we'll finish with LLLL.
If we get lucky at the expense of the Dogs results. Finals experience will be enriching. If not, we must get our list in shape for 23. The injury list that is!
Go Blues
I know walsh and Cerra are already stars but it took Judd breaking down to see cripps really become "the man".
Who steps up in cripps absence?
Setterfield
Dow
Kemp
Carroll
Stocker
For mine Carroll is the pick of this lot. We've gone from too many to not enough really quickly and this is why Ed curnow goes around again next year for mine.
Sure the calves are in trouble but he is the only name on this list id be relieved to have as a complimentary in.
I know walsh and Cerra are already stars but it took Judd breaking down to see cripps really become "the man".
Who steps up in cripps absence?
Setterfield
Dow
Kemp
Carroll
Stocker
For mine Carroll is the pick of this lot. We've gone from too many to not enough really quickly and this is why Ed curnow goes around again next year for mine.
Sure the calves are in trouble but he is the only name on this list id be relieved to have as a complimentary in.
Carroll? To step up this week? My lord.
Not sure I have Cerra as a star yet, his kicking was horrible vs Brisbane and I think the next two weeks will tell what we have recruited in terms of star quality.
I think his season has been passable but I don't rate him as a match winner just yet.
Melbourne will be a big test and I want to see him on Petracca or Oliver.....
After Cripps out. Loss by 5 goals.
Not sure I have Cerra as a star yet, his kicking was horrible vs Brisbane and I think the next two weeks will tell what we have recruited in terms of star quality.
I think his season has been passable but I don't rate him as a match winner just yet.
Melbourne will be a big test and I want to see him on Petracca or Oliver.....
I don’t think you do want to see that. He looks like a player that plays a great supporting role. A player that complements a midfield group to add class. Without Cripps, Hewitt and Kennedy, he would have to lead by example and take on the best opponent. I don’t think he is strong and tough enough to execute that role. I don’t think he has the class to match it with the best yet. Too green still. Needs more years of experience to be at that level. Still has things he needs to learn. That is just my observation. He is a need for us. Not a match winner without support from grunt players around to feed him. Not yet.
For mine Carroll is the pick of this lot. We've gone from too many to not enough really quickly and this is why Ed curnow goes around again next year for mine.
Sure the calves are in trouble but he is the only name on this list id be relieved to have as a complimentary in.
Not sure how a bloke injured all year can help with midfield depth.
Plenty of c-grade mids you can recruit in the off-season to help with depth. Might even snag a b-grader or 2, or better yet, find a Hewitt who was performing as good as the a-graders.
2022, what a ride. Now, all eyes on 'the now' and this Saturday night's game. But first a humble musing.
When you’re a passionate, committed supporter of the BlueBaggers, as most of us here are, it actually hurts to see the performances of the past two weeks. Especially against the backdrop and promise of an 8-2 start. Not to mention narratives from the club stating goals of earning the competition’s respect, finals and that the second half of the year would be better than the first half. I wasn’t at all surprised with our Crowmuncher or BrisVegas efforts… I just couldn’t see how we’d get something different with the same approach and weakened personnel on the paddock (particularly, to be specific, no Hewett and Kennedy).
Personally, I thought the first stated goal, earning the competition’s respect, after the huge, much needed changes, should have been the single focus; the not-negotiable; the expectation. We’ve a painful history of poor finishes to the season, and this one is no different… at this stage. Over promising then under delivering opens a lot of wounds at our club.
No matter how hard you try, the mistakes of the past will revisit if not thoroughly acknowledged, addressed and acted upon. And last year we certainly did that. No more easy/quick fixes (sweeping under the carpet stuff). Boldness, honesty, thoroughness and commitment to best practice excellence delivered a much better Board, President and CEO. Quality people who understand sustained success, and what is required, now hold the reins.
Reality: Our on-field success, though, is a work-in-progress… we’re building foundations and the coaching group is getting a good look at our list, and themselves.
I’ve no doubt that the hard work of our pre-season, many new, experienced and strong coaching voices injected much needed direction, enthusiasm and passion into our talented group. But it’s made for a longer season than most, though needed.
However, our on-field past still leaves baggage, apparent for all to see in our back half of the season… once a little fatigue from a long season set in – we resorted to type, particularly in our last two games. There are scars from sustained failure being dealt with (above the shoulders stuff) and these scars have retarded leadership and discipline, also plain to see since the bye.
Then… and to compound the issues of baggage, is the inability to establish continuity with the on-field group. Yep, the inordinate injury list.
Then… the playing list, plenty of talent but a few non-hackers and injury prone folks who couldn’t be relied upon – not their fault, that’s who they are.
Change. Only a perception from the cheap seats, but it hasn’t looked like our blokes are actually engaged/enjoying playing on game day. We must do something for these next two games that engenders enjoyment, challenge and embraces boldness… a bit more freedom? How to move the balance away from chore/fear/minimizing damage/opponent to a united, excited desire and wanting of the challenge; wanting your opponent to bring their best so you can show your ruthlessness, that you’re not to be messed with.
And this boldness also has to include coaches and selection. Bring in Pitto, Kemp, Stocks and Hayes… and give them big jobs and encourage them to grasp responsibility and dare. Challenge them. Show faith in them.
There has been much to love about this year, particularly the development of TDK, Boyd, Kennedy, Motlop, Young, Newman, LOB, Gov as a defender, Cottrell, Charlie’s dynamic return, Doc: an inspirational story, Small Durds, the impact of Hewett and potential CFC B&F form of Saad. But the year aint done and yes, right now, we’re in the sh1tter but I believe we have the people to change that, in style, this Saturday night.
Nicely put Baggers.
Was I the only one cringing every time BigH opened his mouth last night On The Couch ?
Nicely put Baggers.
Was I the only one cringing every time BigH opened his mouth last night On The Couch ?
Only because you're the only one who watches on the couch ;)
What was said? I haven't watched that in ages.
Nicely put Baggers.
Was I the only one cringing every time BigH opened his mouth last night On The Couch ?
I just watched it now on YT. I had no issue with his demeanor or what he said. I thought he handled himself quite well tbh.
Harry on On the Couch
Didn't see anything wrong with it personally.
https://www.youtube.com/v/TM7ZaQfdX8A
Nicely put Baggers.
Was I the only one cringing every time BigH opened his mouth last night On The Couch ?
Just watched the H interview on OTC. To be honest, I thought he was excellent. Gave a very intelligent perspective with confidence and comfortable demeanor.
I was particularly buoyed when he spoke of -- regarding the past two weeks and the approach for this week -- dare and freedom, going forward. Music to my lugholes.
From one West Gippy lad to another... well done young fella.
Talk is cheap. Attack the ball properly and kick a bag over the next two weeks.
Talk is cheap. Attack the ball properly and kick a bag over the next two weeks.
I’m not even calling for the bag, but geez there was cheap talk aplenty.
I know there’s little of substance the players can say but the talk of what we are building over the past few weeks… Was that the Adelaide or Brizvegas games that we did so well in ?
Talk is cheap. Attack the ball properly and kick a bag over the next two weeks.
Kick the effin ball properly to him and Charlie and the rest takes care of itself. The delivery to them has been abysmal.
H handles himself very well as always.
there lays our problem kick it to charlie/ harry,opposition teams know this and defend well ,we need to be smarter going forward if we are going to win
there lays our problem kick it to charlie/ harry,opposition teams know this and defend well ,we need to be smarter going forward if we are going to win
They need to kick it out in front of them, no defender can defend Charlie or Harry running at the footy with outstretch arms.
If a smaller loose defender wants to sit in the hole, good luck with that.
I could stop them marking the rubbish they have been getting (ie sitting it in their heads).
Come what may, this little black duck will be 100% behind the boys this Saturday night. Meet the challenge. You bet I'm optimistic.
Fun stat....
Longest active streaks of 20+ disposal games
49 - SAM WALSH
47 - Jack Macrae
45 - Rory Laird
36 - Andrew Brayshaw
26 - Matt Crouch
25 - Lachie Neale
25 - Caleb Serong
Walsh going for 50 in a row this week.
For mine:
FB Saad Weitering Stocker
HB McGovern Young Marchbank
C O'Brien Docherty Cottrell
HF Silvagni Curnow Fisher
FF Motlop McKay De Koning
R Pittonet Walsh Cerra
Int Owies Kemp Durdin Setterfiel
Med Sub Newnes
Out Dow Martin Cripps
In Kemp Stocker Pittonet
Doc into the midfield to provide some leadership in the centre
I'd play around the ruck combo to throw Melb off, eg if they are expecting Pitt to go with Gawn, swap TDK in agains Gawn at the last second before the centre bounce.
Maybe give SOS a run in the midfield vs Petracca or Oliver.
Gotta throw the team around I reckon
B Saad Weitering Kemp
HB Docherty Marchbank McGovern
C Obrien Stocker Cottrell
HF Silvagni McKay Fisher
F Motlop C.Curnow Owies
R Pittonet, Cerra Walsh
Int Owies, Dow, Durdin, Mirkov
Sub Setterfield
in Stocker, Mirkov, Kemp, Honey, Pittonet
out TDK(Managed), Martin inj, Cripps susp,, Young(Managed), Setterfield(medi sub)
@ElwoodBlues1 i think I read that honey is still out with a calf ?
B Saad Weitering Kemp
HB Docherty Marchbank McGovern
C Obrien Stocker Cottrell
HF Silvagni McKay Fisher
F Motlop C.Curnow Honey
R Pittonet, Cerra Walsh
Int Owies, Dow, Durdin, Mirkov
Sub Newnes
in Stocker, Mirkov, Kemp, Honey, Pittonet
out TDK(managed), Martin inj, Cripps susp, Setterfield omit, Newnes(medi sub)
Mirkov?
Not sure we are that desperate yet.
We didn't play him when we had only one ruck, won't play him when we have 3.
Same team but Newnes in, Mirkov out.
Carroll Sub.
@ElwoodBlues1 i think I read that honey is still out with a calf ?
Fair enough NT, then Honey will come out for Newnes and Setterfield gets the medi vest.
Mirkov?
Not sure we are that desperate yet.
We didn't play him when we had only one ruck, won't play him when we have 3.
Same team but Newnes in, Mirkov out.
Carroll Sub.
For me its a nothing game and its about resting TDK for the following week.....you probably need 2 and half rucks vs Gawn and Jackson anyway. Mirkov might run around like a headless Giraffe or he might be a nuisance and learn something, I just want TDK to put his feet up, have a Stella or a Peroni or two and rest his weary bones.
Managing Young too...been down and looks tired also...
Fair enough NT, then Honey will come out for Newnes and Setterfield gets the medi vest.
I couldn’t link it but they’re hoping Honeys available v pies and I suspected you’d bring in Newnes and sub in the “BluePendlebury”
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For me its a nothing game and its about resting TDK for the following week.....you probably need 2 and half rucks vs Gawn and Jackson anyway. Mirkov might run around like a headless Giraffe or he might be a nuisance and learn something, I just want TDK to put his feet up, have a Stella or a Peroni or two and rest his weary bones.
Managing Young too...been down and looks tired also...
Its gonna be hard enough with our best available in, resting that many an bringing spuds like Honey will make it a thrashing that will destroy the confidence of the group. Best side in, pedal to the metal and try and win both.
For me its a nothing game and its about resting TDK for the following week.....you probably need 2 and half rucks vs Gawn and Jackson anyway. Mirkov might run around like a headless Giraffe or he might be a nuisance and learn something, I just want TDK to put his feet up, have a Stella or a Peroni or two and rest his weary bones.
Managing Young too...been down and looks tired also...
Dees are gettable. This is their 'bye-week' before a do or die clash with Lions in R23.
I'd rest TDK for sure, but run with Pitto/SOS combo and have Harry do F50 throw in duties for your 'half-a-ruck'.
I would want to be trying to find a settled side leading into finals (yes, we can definitely still make it) and mix and matching (ie Mirkov) is not going to help us achieve that.
Apparantly Martin and Stocker could be available this week.
Zac Williams will be available R23.
I couldn’t link it but they’re hoping Honeys available v pies and I suspected you’d bring in Newnes and sub in the “BluePendlebury”
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The Blue Pendles wasnt great last week but its thin pickings in the twos so the sub role is the best I can do for him although those look away Pendles point guard passes might be handy vs Trac and the abominable red headed one....
The Blue Pendles wasnt great last week but its thin pickings in the twos so the sub role is the best I can do for him although those look away Pendles point guard passes might be handy vs Trac and the abominable red headed one....
The only look-away handballs that can be attributed to Setterfield is when he looks away as his opponent is handballed the ball, refusing to chase and/or tackle.
Dees are gettable. This is their 'bye-week' before a do or die clash with Lions in R23.
I'd rest TDK for sure, but run with Pitto/SOS combo and have Harry do F50 throw in duties for your 'half-a-ruck'.
I would want to be trying to find a settled side leading into finals (yes, we can definitely still make it) and mix and matching (ie Mirkov) is not going to help us achieve that.
Apparantly Martin and Stocker could be available this week.
Zac Williams will be available R23.
Reckon the Dees will be on the bounce back after the Pies debacle and that midfield of theirs will flog us.
I wouldnt even bother with selecting Williams or Martin........although I might do it just to get a photo of those two with McGovern and Marchbank in the same team, thats going to be a once in a lifetime opportunity and verging on a miracle, although I'd probably ask the AFL for two medi subs on the grounds of hardship and compassion.
Reckon the Dees will be on the bounce back after the Pies debacle and that midfield of theirs will flog us.
I wouldnt even bother with selecting Williams or Martin........although I might do it just to get a photo of those two with McGovern and Marchbank in the same team, thats going to be a once in a lifetime opportunity and verging on a miracle, although I'd probably ask the AFL for two medi subs on the grounds of hardship and compassion.
If you keep dishing out these big hits you’ll end up before the MRO
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Come what may, this little black duck will be 100% behind the boys this Saturday night. Meet the challenge. You bet I'm optimistic.
Baggers, I hope by the time this match starts I will be able to match your enthusiasm, but at the moment my mind refuses to let go of the memory of those three quarters of putrescent rubbish this side presented to its loyal supporters last week.
Well if there is a time this club needs to dig deep and find something in the bowls of its guts this is it.
Talent thin
Form thin
Fitness thin
But hope flickers and while that flickers there's a path to glory
Well if there is a time this club needs to dig deep and find something in the bowls of its guts this is it.
Talent thin
Form thin
Fitness thin
But hope flickers and while that flickers there's a path to glory
Yep, the spinnaker is hanging limply from the mast, it’s time for those available to look each other in the eye and stand fast.
Baggers, I hope by the time this match starts I will be able to match your enthusiasm, but at the moment my mind refuses to let go of the memory of those three quarters of putrescent rubbish this side presented to its loyal supporters last week.
in fairness to the boys we've played one quarter of scintillating football all season with 2 that were just non events, and another that was reasonably good. The difference now is we are getting spanked in our down quarters and our best quarters are a bit meh.
Battle Fatigue :(
in fairness to the boys we've played one quarter of scintillating football all season with 2 that were just non events, and another that was reasonably good.
The difference now is we are getting spanked in our down quarters and our best quarters are a bit meh.
I can't agree with the first claim, it's just a bit nugatory, we haven't been that bad!
The second claim is almost an affirmation, a declarative statement of fact.
We've certainly lost that ability to control tempo that we had earlier in the season, partly this will be teams examining the Voss tactics in detail and picking apart what works against us and what doesn't. Some of it is due to loss of foot soldiers and the resulting team imbalance.
Perhaps a bigger question remains, are the problem systematic or symptomatic?
FB Saad Weitering Stocker
HB McGovern Young Marchbank
C O'Brien Docherty Cottrell
HF Silvagni Curnow Fisher
FF Motlop McKay De Koning
R Pittonet Walsh Cerra
Int Owies Martin Durdin Carrol
Med Sub Newnes
Out Dow Cripps Setterfield
Think this side might still be top heavy, we need speed and spread to stand any chance, one of TDK or PIT may miss. Maybe we play SOS as a mid to run with Oliver.
In Stocker Pittonet Carrol
Baggers, I hope by the time this match starts I will be able to match your enthusiasm, but at the moment my mind refuses to let go of the memory of those three quarters of putrescent rubbish this side presented to its loyal supporters last week.
Don't worry, M37, as I watched that tripe we dished up in our past few games, I was shattered, furious and gobsmacked, but, paradoxically, not surprised when it culminated in the BrisVegas farce. Seemed inevitable.
However, H's words during his OTC interview buoyed me. Yes, words are cheap, but there was substance in his words 'dare' and 'freedom'... exactly the things missing from our approach of the previous weeks. Dare and freedom delivered 8 gls in the final qtr against BrisVegas. Perhaps too many layers were added to our game plan too soon? Just too much for a wounded list to adapt (to) and adopt.
This Saturday night has much to do with resilience and boldness. Attack every contest, stick every tackle and get that aggott to our forwards with speed, accuracy and efficiency.
FB Saad Weitering Stocker
HB McGovern Young Marchbank
C O'Brien Docherty Cottrell
HF Silvagni Curnow Fisher
FF Motlop McKay De Koning
R Pittonet Walsh Cerra
Int Owies Martin Durdin Carrol
Med Sub Newnes
Out Dow Cripps Setterfield
Think this side might still be top heavy, we need speed and spread to stand any chance, one of TDK or PIT may miss. Maybe we play SOS as a mid to run with Oliver.
In Stocker Pittonet Carrol
Reckon Jack would blow up real quick chasing the abominable red head around.
Maybe Setterfield can show supporters he has the goods and tag Oliver..
I remind all that the Hooped veterans beat the Dish lickers without Danger and Duckwood.
Sometimes your soldiers have to grit their teeth, jump out of the trench and kick arse.
We need to somehow win or break even in the midfield battle.
If we make the Elimination we will have reinforcements.
Having said all that, this year has been better than we all thought and with some culling of the list we will be better next year.
Need to seriously look at our Fitness/Rehab team. There is something not right there.
As Clubber Lang said about his fight with Rocky, "Pain".
Then he lost. We just need someone to write a similar script...lol.
We got Stocker to play in the midfield. Good as time as any to put him there.
We got Stocker to play in the midfield. Good as time as any to put him there.
Yep. And Kemp. Give the lads a challenge and give the Go Ds something to think about.
In my view the Dees have the two top dominant ruckmen in the AFL at the moment, both are highly mobile, agile and aggressive.
What the rest of the midfield do might have little impact on the outcome, because in the ruck at the moment we are floundering.
We've created a scenario in which TDK cannot use his natural skills, Pitto is struggling for form on his return to footy, and SoJ won't be in the contest this week given who he is up against as the Dees 2nd ruck.
I saw the late game use of Young in last weeks defeat as a pretty blunt concession about the state of our ruck predicament.
TDK is not a tagging / negative ruck option, he needs to be set free and played like Grundy to become an attacking option. He is not nearly as useful dropping behind play to limit the opponents impact.
It's easy to focus on the negatives, but there is a better than even money chance the Dogs get done in one game and / or we win one against the tide. There are many many dominoes that have to stack perfectly in a preferred alignment before our season is scuppered.
If one domino falls, Cripps comes back fresh as a daisy for the finals! ;)
We have in the past made an extra effort when Cripps has not been playing and hopefully we will do that again. However we will be under siege at stoppages and centre clearances so our defence will really be tested. Maybe we need to turn this into a spoil fest, just mainly try and disrupt and feed off whatever may fall our way? Don't think it will be pretty.
FB Saad Weitering Stocker
HB McGovern Young Marchbank
C O'Brien Docherty Cottrell
HF Silvagni Curnow Fisher
FF Motlop McKay De Koning
R Pittonet Walsh Cerra
Int Owies Martin Durdin Carrol
Med Sub Newnes
Out Dow Cripps Setterfield
Think this side might still be top heavy, we need speed and spread to stand any chance, one of TDK or PIT may miss. Maybe we play SOS as a mid to run with Oliver.
In Stocker Pittonet Carrol
One ruck vs Gawn and Jackson? I wouldnt do it.
One ruck vs Gawn and Jackson? I wouldnt do it.
Jackson will even be a handful for us when he is floating forward, he the ultra-aggressive attack on the ball type we traditionally do not do well against.
Will be a busy day for McGovern and Marchbank.
we need to change our game style/plan ,.we cannot have melb to intercept marks across HFF (cats game vossy) and mids just read melb rucks . start
We have two options this week.
1. Try and stop Melbourne and beat them in match ups. I just dont see it this week. We dont seem to have the right types of cattle to beat Clayton Oliver, Petracca, Neal Bullen, Harmes and co at the coalface. They are bigger, and harder than anything we have available.
So rather than try and beat them at that game which is likely to end up in Marc Murphy getting clobbered at the coalface part two, I suggest we do the following:
2. Weather permitting we go tall. Its hard to tell so far this week, but as much as I rate the running power of LOB, Newnes, and Cotters, we need to really expose them for size and skill because we arent going to beat them with hardness, and Langdon is another level of running power that our guys cant hope for.
So, with that in mind, we should be looking to play much taller and try and put some genuine talls that can move on the wings. That means getting Charlie and Marchbank on a wing each. Get TDK down to full forward, and bring Mckay to CHF. JSOS and Pittonet to do the ruckwork in a tandem as they are better value in a losing ruck than TDK is who is either winning or losing in the ruck laterly and get him in the ruck for the odd occasion. This should be the sort of chaos move that will make life a bit tricky for Lever and May to work out and hopefully give us a chance to score some goals before they work their way through it.
This week Motlop is the one we cant carry. I would be taking him out, because as much as I love the kid, he is a cameo player and we are going to need relentless pressure in the forwardline and getting to the ball drop. That means Cotters, Owies Durdin and Fisher to complement the other forwards.
As much as we like to pay out on our defense for being unaccountable, with glacial wingers set to expose the lack of height, this week I would be deploying Saad and Docherty in offensive options. Ignore chopping your teamates out. Drift forward and give us some flare to make life difficult on the rebound. Get the likes of Stocker and Plowman in with the sole instruction to pound kosi and fritsch at every contest as these two will give us the most headaches of the Melbourne forwardline.
They will eventually figure out we are going with a chaotic game plan, and thats when we can switch to more conventional roles for our players, but hopefully by then a bit of a lead and some belief will build in our boys. Without the big bodies in the middle, we might elect to counter punch off half back rather than try and win it at the coal face.
Go Blues. Bring the right mix of chaos and Melbourne wont know what to do about us.
FB Plowman Weitering Stocker
HB Docherty Young Saad
C C.Curnow Cerra Marchbank
HF Owies Mckay Fisher
FF Durdin Dekoning Cotterel
R Pittonet Walsh JSOS
Int McGovern Dow Setterfield Newnes
Med Sub O'Brien
One of the only a couple of good things to come out of the Cripps suspension is simply this.
AFL clubs plan match day tactics to the Nth degree, they observe, diagnose, deconstruct and debate team tactics endlessly. This week the Dees won't know what we are likely to do, we have gone from a known known to a known unknown.
One of the only a couple of good things to come out of the Cripps suspension is simply this.
AFL clubs plan match day tactics to the Nth degree, they observe, diagnose, deconstruct and debate team tactics endlessly. This week the Dees won't know what we are likely to do, we have gone from a known known to a known unknown.
No Couch, no Bairstow, no Hocking! We can't lose.
Who are the big brutish forwards that Melbourne have, that require Weitering and Young?? I'd go with Weitering, Marchbank, McGovern as the talls with Docherty, Saad, Plowman (yes Plowman) and Stocker as the 7 backs and then have De Koning drop back on Gawn when he moves forward like we did in the practice match to good effect.
Going to be won or lost in the contest and unfortunately for us our three best contested ball players will be missing. We are going to get beaten up in the contest the only thing we can hope for are counter attacks from the half back and crisp ball movement to forward half. Can not afford skill errors and turn the ball over.
Going to be won or lost in the contest and unfortunately for us our three best contested ball players will be missing. We are going to get beaten up in the contest the only thing we can hope for are counter attacks from the half back and crisp ball movement to forward half. Can not afford skill errors and turn the ball over.
Need Doc in the centre to lead the way. No one more inspiring in our team the Doc, a few mighty, courageous acts and the rest will walk through brick walls. Season is on the line and running out of chances.
We have two options this week.
1. Try and stop Melbourne and beat them in match ups. I just dont see it this week. We dont seem to have the right types of cattle to beat Clayton Oliver, Petracca, Neal Bullen, Harmes and co at the coalface. They are bigger, and harder than anything we have available.
We have the reigning Coleman medalist and another one currently leading.
How do Melbourne stop that?
Dees are bigger than us, and you want to go taller?
IMO, we go faster.
Oliver and Petracca are not going to chase too many players down, so we play through their men.
Put Fisher in the guts.
If Martin is fit, use him through there.
Play Carroll.
Free up Saad and let him play on a wing. RUN RUN RUN.
Do that, and they won't be able to setup behind the ball and we'll allow our assets in McKay and Curnow 1 on 1 opportunities, and they won't be stopped.
Yes, going small/fast means that we will lose the clearances, but Dees don't have a good forward line, and we have a good defence, so back ourselves in to stop their entries, and hurt them on the rebound with speed and run.
Motlop, Durdin, Owies, Lob, Walsh, Cottrell, Carroll, Martin.....run run run.
If we wanna be a finals team, we lay down for no team. We make them beat us.
I wouldn't trust Martin to run longer than 10 minutes before breaking down. He's lost any trust and I wouldn't be picking him this week.
We have the reigning Coleman medalist and another one currently leading.
How do Melbourne stop that?
Dees are bigger than us, and you want to go taller?
IMO, we go faster.
Oliver and Petracca are not going to chase too many players down, so we play through their men.
Put Fisher in the guts.
If Martin is fit, use him through there.
Play Carroll.
Free up Saad and let him play on a wing. RUN RUN RUN.
Do that, and they won't be able to setup behind the ball and we'll allow our assets in McKay and Curnow 1 on 1 opportunities, and they won't be stopped.
Yes, going small/fast means that we will lose the clearances, but Dees don't have a good forward line, and we have a good defence, so back ourselves in to stop their entries, and hurt them on the rebound with speed and run.
Motlop, Durdin, Owies, Lob, Walsh, Cottrell, Carroll, Martin.....run run run.
If we wanna be a finals team, we lay down for no team. We make them beat us.
we aren't a quick side though. Their run is a strength. Langdon, Salem, hunt are all very fast and hard runners.
Taking into account form, injuries, what's at stake etc., beating the Demons will be the upset of the year IMO.
Given Martin's long history of calf issues, the fact he came off last week with "calf tightness" makes him an incredible risk to get through a game...leave him out IMO.
Melbourne don't have a dominant key forward but rely on goals from the likes of Fritsch, Pickett, Harmes and the like. Fritsch is the worry as I can't see an ideal match up for him.
I think Charlie and Harry can more than match it with May/Lever and probably outmark them....issue will be getting it in the middle to begin with, then finding someone who can use it quick enough and well enough to get it down there.
Who are the big brutish forwards that Melbourne have, that require Weitering and Young?? I'd go with Weitering, Marchbank, McGovern as the talls with Docherty, Saad, Plowman (yes Plowman) and Stocker as the 7 backs and then have De Koning drop back on Gawn when he moves forward like we did in the practice match to good effect.
Reckon it will be players like Fritsch, Pickett and Petracca that will worry us forward more than the talls.....the former is the type of player we struggle to contain given he is a good mark for his size and evasive/smart on the ground plus a good kick for goal.
Given we are light on in the middle I expect Petracca forward a bit more in that Dusty Martin type role...
we aren't a quick side though. Their run is a strength. Langdon, Salem, hunt are all very fast and hard runners.
We are not a quick side generally, but we can be quick. We have quick players, we have a quick mindset, lets push that and mix it up.
Just get the ball into Charlie and Harry quickly and they will get nervous.
We are not a quick side generally, but we can be quick. We have quick players, we have a quick mindset, lets push that and mix it up.
Just get the ball into Charlie and Harry quickly and they will get nervous.
In the last quarter of the Brisbane game, we went hard and fast going forward, and we looked like a different side. We did hit some leads, but we got more goals from the chaos the fast entries were causing. Regardless of whether or not Brisbane took their foot off the gas, it was the mindset of attack hard and fast that got the scores.
When we flip the ball around across the half-forward line, all we do is let the opposition set up inside 50 and make it almost impossible. Inevitably, we turn the ball over with a crap sideways kick, and then watch as the other side sprints away and sets up a 'Joe-the-goose' from the goal square (I have lost count of how many of those I have seen this year).
Go hard and fast - bang it in and scare them - at least it will be at our end of the ground!
Voss mentioned in his presser that he doesn't believe the last quarter style is a sustainable brand, so unless he's foxing, I wouldn't expect to see too much of that in the last 2 games.
Voss mentioned in his presser that he doesn't believe the last quarter style is a sustainable brand, so unless he's foxing, I wouldn't expect to see too much of that in the last 2 games.
Its not. We saw that under Teague.
But, you don't have to do it for 120 minutes. You do it when you need to.
Of course having the right players in the side allows you to do it better and for longer than not having them.
We've proven this year we can score quickly.
We've proven that we have the best 2 forwards in the league that can beat anyone they come up against when the ball is put in an advantageous position.
We can play 2 men behind the ball all night and slow down the game, clog up the backline and force a turnover, but when we do.....GO! Attack, run, carry, create and deliver long to our forwards.
Its just like cricket, you don't try and hit every ball for 6, its not sustainable.
But you can have a solid defence that waits for the opportunity or an error and capatalise on it without hesitation.
Block, block, block, loose ball - 6, block, block, block, loose ball - 6.
Pitto In
TDK Out
Cripps has been named in the side....waiting for the appeal outcome
IN
Liam Stocker,
Marc Pittonet
OUT
Paddy Dow (Omitted),
Tom De Koning (Omitted),
Will Setterfield (Omitted)
EMG
[2] Paddy Dow,
[17] Brodie Kemp,
[12] Tom De Koning,
[43] Will Setterfield
De Koning has done a sterling job for such a young man. Battled manfully against bigger, tougher, more seasoned opponents for the best part of 2 months. Deserves a rest. Well played Tom.
I can't see a future for Dow or Setterfield if they're not getting a game with our current injury woes.
Dow will come on for the Skipper. Glad to have Pitt and Stocer in.
Martin will last 5 mins, we could be called "CALF -TON"
Setters days are numbered....
Dow and Setters papers stamped - so disappointing with so much talent.
Please play Stock in the middle Vossy.
Cripps has been named in the side....waiting for the appeal outcome
IN
Liam Stocker,
Marc Pittonet
OUT
Paddy Dow (Omitted),
Tom De Koning (Omitted),
Will Setterfield (Omitted)
EMG
[2] Paddy Dow,
[17] Brodie Kemp,
[12] Tom De Koning,
[43] Will Setterfield
TDK definitely needed a rest!
So if the Crippa sojourn to the appeals tribunal fails, it'll be Dow or Kemp, you'd think. Know who I'd prefer!
Kemp for Cripps in the midfield?
Wasn't he drafted as a big bodied mid?
Kemp is really a utility player. Started in defence in his early junior years, then played as an inside mid, the was named as FF in the AA team.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/307782/pick-no17-brodie-kemp
General Manager of List Management and Strategy Stephen Silvagni said welcoming Kemp to Ikon Park was a significant moment for the Club.
“Brodie is someone who has clearly shown how damaging he can be all throughout the underage career, whether it be down back, in the midfield or up forward,” Silvagni said.
“He started out as a defender, had a real impact as an inside midfield and then ended up being named as the full forward in the All-Australian team.
“Brodie has some real upside in his game and, with the amount of work our recruiting team has put in, we’re very confident we’ve added some real quality to our football club."
Happy TDK is out. Give him a rest and try a different setup with Pitto+SOS.
Stocker being in is something we all wanted.
Durdin back in the 22 is required.
Cripps or Dow/Setterfield is a big difference.
Cripps has been named in the side....waiting for the appeal outcome
IN
Liam Stocker,
Marc Pittonet
OUT
Paddy Dow (Omitted),
Tom De Koning (Omitted),
Will Setterfield (Omitted)
EMG
[2] Paddy Dow,
[17] Brodie Kemp,
[12] Tom De Koning,
[43] Will Setterfield
Cripps named, wishful thinking.
Happy TDK is out. Give him a rest and try a different setup with Pitto+SOS.
Stocker being in is something we all wanted.
Durdin back in the 22 is required.
Cripps or Dow/Setterfield is a big difference.
Agree...wonder if they might try Stocker down back and Saad on the wing to free him up or just stick Stocker in the middle?
My tip is Petracca will play forward a bit more and I'd give Stocker the job, I'd put Saad on Langdon as we know Saad can both defend and get plenty of ball himself, might free him up and solve a problem with Langdon at the same time and make him chase Saad rather than freewheel around like he usually does.
Agree...wonder if they might try Stocker down back and Saad on the wing to free him up or just stick Stocker in the middle?
My tip is Petracca will play forward a bit more and I'd give Stocker the job, I'd put Saad on Langdon as we know Saad can both defend and get plenty of ball himself, might free him up and solve a problem with Langdon at the same time and make him chase Saad rather than freewheel around like he usually does.
Cripps won't Play, I reckon TDK will come in, games have started
The way we're going cripps tribunal hearing will be going until the pies game.
Longer it goes I think, the better for us
The problem is we're planning for this match two nights away, with two different scenarios.
One with Cripps playing, one with him not playing.
Roles may have to change depending on the outcome.
Longer it goes I think, the better for us
They've been deliberating longer than the AFL counsel spoke.
Still deliberating at 10pm?
Still deliberating at 10pm?
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=6066.msg372210#new
The problem is we're planning for this match two nights away, with two different scenarios.
One with Cripps playing, one with him not playing.
Roles may have to change depending on the outcome.
I assume Cripps was named in the team so if cleared he could actually play…?
Justice served - just because someone goes hard at the contest doesn't mean they get put through tribunals. That's a football incident and it was a joke it has taken this long.
My 5 goal loss prediction is now 8 to 12 points.
Cripps won't Play, I reckon TDK will come in, games have started
Is now.
Is now.
Indeed and I am both shocked and not surprised if that makes sense. Shocked they even listened and admitted they got it wrong. Not surprised as I thought from day 1 that the wording from the prosecution (Cripps chose to bump), which was the basis of the sanction, was pure speculation as opposed to fact.
The mood in the 'four walls' now suddenly changes. It's the sort of mood swing that could carry onto the ground tomorrow night. Stranger things have happened.
Yep psychology is amazing.
It shows our boys aren't mentally tough enough to deliver a flag yet, but this could turn us back to the team we were first half of the year.
They haven't been the same since weitering broke down and now that might change.
Whilst I appreciate the good news regarding Cripps may deliver a bit of a boost (from a starting 18 perspective and also from an "against the odds" perspective), I'm not sure it will make much difference to the result. Cripps has been in patchy form lately, as has the whole team. Unless he and the boys play a game for the ages, I expect the Demons to win comfortably.
I hope the club doesn't use this against Voss, when they do an end of season review.
I really do not understand where this perspective that "Cripps form is patchy" comes from?
It's a bit like labelling Kouta inconsistent because he wasn't BoG every game. I get that fans want the stars to shine, but sometimes 2nd BoG or getting some AFLCA votes is all that you can hope for.
If Cripps form is patchy, the same fans must think it's time to drop Charlie and BigH! :o
I never called for anyone to be dropped. But the form of the whole team, including Cripps, McKay and Curnow, has dropped in recent weeks. This is revealed in the optics, in the numbers, in W/L column, in the media reporting, in post match press conferences, in the Jim Park votes on here...........
Cripps last 6 weeks has been a bit eyebrow raising if you go looking through his stats.
Hitting the scoreboard half the time on average, and fewer average disposals per game, along with a higher handball to kick ratio than usual. This might be a deliberate move away from relying on him too heavily which might be something that we discussed, or it might simply be because Kennedy and Hewett were doing a bit more at the coalface inside.
If i were to wager based on his form line, I would say that he was in good condition until the first GWS game, and then he picked up a niggle.
Interestingly enough, it was about the time we started rucking him that he started showing a dip in output.
Players get judged a lot by their own standards.
When a champion isn't as influential as he can be that's what's often meant by patchy.
Some even get judged by their potential.
Curnow is a player who can turn a game with a short burst of brilliance.
But I don't think we've ever seen the 'complete' game from him.
I look forward to it.
But in recent weeks he's been patchy...often missing for large parts of the game.
Now of course, a lot of that 'patchiness' is also due to team support and opposition strategy.
If i were to wager based on his form line, I would say that he was in good condition until the first GWS game, and then he picked up a niggle.
Interestingly enough, it was about the time we started rucking him that he started showing a dip in output.
I think he's carrying an injury. I think it's back related.
A lot of his possessions since the middle of the year have been under increased pressure as well...So even though he's still getting his hands on the ball even short handballs have missed the mark.
^^
Yep loads more contested ball and a lot more clearances means he has gone back to being in the centre a lot more. Interesting enough against Adelaide 5 free kicks for, which means he is likely getting scragged and held a lot more too.
Got Covid. guys. You'll have to shout for me.
Got Covid. guys. You'll have to shout for me.
Bad luck Crash, I'm just getting over it. Not recommended!
Got Covid. guys. You'll have to shout for me.
Speedy recovery Crash
So I downloaded by tickets from the members app, they say:
SEC ROW
GA5 GA3
Any ideas what this means? Which stands what gate?
Just have a feeling, we are going to get it done. Think we turn up tomorrow and book our ticket to September. Up the Baggers!
I assume Cripps was named in the team so if cleared he could actually play…?
He was named in the team because that's New Carlton 😉
No longer tip toeing through the tulips singing to someone else's tune. We're in the business of being brave and bold as we define our own path towards success.
May there be many brave, bold acts of commitment to follow 💪After all one of our champions wrote the chapter. Cheers Doc.
BTW
I'm not totally convinced that's the case. It was fun writing it though.
Go Blues. We're down to the last two chances..
Cripps won't Play, I reckon TDK will come in, games have started
Want some humble pie 🥧
Want some humble pie 🥧
Cheers, but how many thought he'd really get off?
Cheers, but how many thought he'd really get off?
I didn't but for once I kept it to myself 🤐
Between you and me. I think it's a miracle. I just hope it means our days of getting scr#£ed over are, well, over.
I really do not understand where this perspective that "Cripps form is patchy" comes from?
It's a bit like labelling Kouta inconsistent because he wasn't BoG every game. I get that fans want the stars to shine, but sometimes 2nd BoG or getting some AFLCA votes is all that you can hope for.
If Cripps form is patchy, the same fans must think it's time to drop Charlie and BigH! :o
Cripps had been tagged hard as has Saad, opposition midfields have been breaking even or bettering us and Cripps lack of dominance is shown by getting the ball in high numbers still but doing nothing with it, ditto for Walsh.Imho it's timed with Hewett and Kennedy of late being out and TDKs form tapering off..
Cripps has been a known quantity in the AFL for years. Without looking at the detail, I'm guessing the tactics against him in R20 would be the same as R1. What may have changed is not the opposition tactics per se, but rather than Cripps may be fatigued, injured, or maybe support from team mates has dried up because they're injured. All of which would make Cripps easier to tag, but not necessarily that other teams have changed what they do. IMO.
Cripps has been a known quantity in the AFL for years. Without looking at the detail, I'm guessing the tactics against him in R20 would be the same as R1. What may have changed is not the opposition tactics per se, but rather than Cripps may be fatigued, injured, or maybe support from team mates has dried up because they're injured. All of which would make Cripps easier to tag, but not necessarily that other teams have changed what they do. IMO.
Cripps, Walsh & Saad are standing out as beacons, because of the support around them falling away because of injuries and fatigue.
Stop/limit those 3 and there just isn’t the numbers to keep on keeping on.
We live in hope however…
Our interstate win rate has been very poor this season but thats ok because I think we won the games we had to win.
Can't play the way we did against Geelong and Saints. Hunger level needs to be amplified by 500%
Have a listen from 9:04, Brenton Sanderson does Carlton strategy on Whateley
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1031215
If GWS happened to beat the Bullies before our game starts tonight therefore securing our place in the 8, would this have a positive effect on our group to play with more freedom and mentally less pressure and a better chance of grabbing a win??
If GWS happened to beat the Bullies before our game starts tonight therefore securing our place in the 8, would this have a positive effect on our group to play with more freedom and mentally less pressure and a better chance of grabbing a win??
It may help them to play with less mental pressure, but I'm not sure about playing with more freedom, since the latter is due more to game plan and coach instructions IMO.
If GWS happened to beat the Bullies before our game starts tonight therefore securing our place in the 8, would this have a positive effect on our group to play with more freedom and mentally less pressure and a better chance of grabbing a win??
I think so.
We know we're in, now let's show everyone that we mean business.
PP....I'd like to think we play the way we need to play....regardless of the results of other games. Anything resembling the last 2 weeks and Melbourne will take us to the cleaners tonight.
PP....I'd like to think we play the way we need to play....regardless of the results of other games. Anything resembling the last 2 weeks and Melbourne will take us to the cleaners tonight.
I think so. One of the coaching cliches which is currently in vogue is "to play our way." Leaving aside what that actually means, I suspect Voss, like most current coaches, is very method and systems focused. I get the feeling that he will go for "run and dare" only as a Plan B or C.
I think so. One of the coaching cliches which is currently in vogue is "to play our way." Leaving aside what that actually means, I suspect Voss, like most current coaches, is very method and systems focused. I get the feeling that he will go for "run and dare" only as a Plan B or C.
I have heard 3 separate "murmurings" in the last week that suggest Voss has no plan B.
I have heard 3 separate "murmurings" in the last week that suggest Voss has no plan B.
I'd like to think the last quarter of the Brisbane game was a Plan B, but I have no way of knowing for sure.
I'd like to think the last quarter of the Brisbane game was a Plan B, but I have no way of knowing for sure.
I love the analogy Brenton Sanderson used about the green light in the link I posted. I reckon Carlton have had that attitude since the bye (dont go red). From rnd 1 to the bye, they were free spirited and daring (ie stay green). I reckon what we saw in the last was pre bye Carlton, not necessarily plan B.
I love the analogy Brenton Sanderson used about the green light in the link.
FMD GTC, that stuff is U15s theory.
AFL goes way past that, I can't believe how Gerard Wobbly carried on like it was some sort of top secret inside deep dive!
If GWS happened to beat the Bullies before our game starts tonight therefore securing our place in the 8, would this have a positive effect on our group to play with more freedom and mentally less pressure and a better chance of grabbing a win??
With Greene and Preuss non-starters, I don't think GWS will trouble the Bulldogs.
I love the analogy Brenton Sanderson used about the green light in the link I posted. I reckon Carlton have had that attitude since the bye (dont go red). From rnd 1 to the bye, they were free spirited and daring (ie stay green). I reckon what we saw in the last was pre bye Carlton, not necessarily plan B.
It's an interesting point to ponder. I suspect that in those early rounds, the boys were playing according to plan - win the contest and go forward at speed. Personally, I would not think that fast ball movement automatically means risky football. I think in those early rounds we were playing exactly as Voss wanted, and it was working a treat. When it stopped working, then you need to think of other methods, and that's when you start to go for the risky kick, handball etc. If you play risky, there's a higher chance of turnovers, and I think Voss understands full well that our turnover game and our transition game are not to the level, and are still works in progress. Which is why I think he's not so enthused about playing like the last q of the Lions game. IMO.
I have heard 3 separate "murmurings" in the last week that suggest Voss has no plan B.
Ross Lyon said same...even said we don't use enough imagination with selection and he wanted Stocker in the middle.
The tagging of Saad has really wrecked our system too...have gone from being a top team in forward entries to no 11 and I bet if you dug deeper those entries wouldn't be great quality either.
Lyon said Harry has to get involved more too or words to that effect which in layman's talk means make more effort...
Macca....they're making a game of it....3/4 time and nothing in it. Reckon we're all on GWS in this last quarter!!!
Dogs won. We've got to do it all on our own.
Pressure is on now. Bulldogs can beat Hawthorn in the last round. Richmond shouldn’t have problems with Hawthorn and Essendon.
Ross Lyon said same...even said we don't use enough imagination with selection and he wanted Stocker in the middle.
The tagging of Saad has really wrecked our system too...have gone from being a top team in forward entries to no 11 and I bet if you dug deeper those entries wouldn't be great quality either.
Lyon said Harry has to get involved more too or words to that effect which in layman's talk means make more effort...
And who takes seriously anything Lyon says? He is still smarting at missing out on what he thought would be a nice little earner to end his career and being made to look foolish with his way off target assessments of our fortunes.
Stocker, Kemp or Charlie in the middle are the sorts of suggestions supporters make. None have played in the midfield at AFL level and have spent the year working on their roles in the forward line or defence. Do they learn a midfield role in a couple of training sessions.
One of the positive things about our loss to the Lions was how Vossy moved the magnets and how the players responded in the last quarter. We didn't get the four points but that was right up there with the best footy we have played all season. Still, if we can kick 8 goals to 4 in the last quarter, why did we only manage 4 goals to 13 in the first three quarters? I suspect that it's more above the shoulders than anything else.
I'm not sure how you tag a defender. It's more a matter of Saad's opponent not being accountable and getting easy kicks when we turn the ball over. Our sliding defence should really cover that (and we shouldn't turn the ball over in vulnerable positions), but I would like to see a hard-nosed, lockdown defender in our back 7 ... and keep Newnes on the wing if he has to play anywhere. Saad only had two score involvements and two inside 50s but he still had an equal season high 10 rebound 50s and gained 500m, well above average.
And who takes seriously anything Lyon says? He is still smarting at missing out on what he thought would be a nice little earner to end his career and being made to look foolish with his way off target assessments of our fortunes.
Stocker, Kemp or Charlie in the middle are the sorts of suggestions supporters make. None have played in the midfield at AFL level and have spent the year working on their roles in the forward line or defence. Do they learn a midfield role in a couple of training sessions.
One of the positive things about our loss to the Lions was how Vossy moved the magnets and how the players responded in the last quarter. We didn't get the four points but that was right up there with the best footy we have played all season. Still, if we can kick 8 goals to 4 in the last quarter, why did we only manage 4 goals to 13 in the first three quarters? I suspect that it's more above the shoulders than anything else.
I'm not sure how you tag a defender. It's more a matter of Saad's opponent not being accountable and getting easy kicks when we turn the ball over. Our sliding defence should really cover that (and we shouldn't turn the ball over in vulnerable positions), but I would like to see a hard-nosed, lockdown defender in our back 7 ... and keep Newnes on the wing if he has to play anywhere. Saad only had two score involvements and two inside 50s but he still had an equal season high 10 rebound 50s and gained 500m, well above average.
Last quarter goals come under the heading of junk time in the main and Brisbane have a habit of switching off so I dont take much heart from late rallies , the magnets if moved were moved too late. Being a high forward entry team and going to NO 11(Lyons stats) if true is a telling stat. Tagging rebound defenders is fairly common now, Tom Stewart cops it most weeks and I'd expect Salem to be closely watched tonight if our coaching staff have much idea as its been a tactic used by other teams who have had success beating Melbourne. Speaking of tagging I was a bit horrified to read we didnt tag Lachie Neale last week, not sure you can beat Brisbane without stopping Neale and that magnet should have been moved at the start of play rather than just give him the 3 votes Voss needs to show a bit more imagination and feel for the momentum of the game imho, winning 2 out of the last 5 tells me its a bit more than just above the shoulders and players are not working as hard as they need to pick up the slack created by injuries to Hewett and Kennedy especially.
Cerra out setters in
I see it but I don't believe it ....
Cerra hasn't been right since he returned from injury. No idea if this is related.
Let's hope we don't follow the pathic example of our AFLW v Dees. 16 - 86 late in the 4th. Our women looked like U10's with many appearing to have no idea about footy. That’s going to be a long painful season.
Cerra out setters in
Guess that creates opportunity for the Navy Blue Pendlebury to dazzle us again, maybe he can surprise the punters and play the game of his career so far, sometimes opportunity brings out the best in fringe players.
I see it but I don't believe it ....
We're just sticking to this years narrative. Injury Crisis.
Abductor apparently. You just know gone for the year.
We are Carlton
Vossy will witness first hand whether Setters is in fact a big bodied mid. 😳
Its all a cunning plan, we don't really want to play finals this year! 🤪
Cerra out setters in
Great. Losing confidence by the minute.
Maybe one of the reasons we went hell-for-leather to keep Crippa... knowing that Cerra was dodgy.
Cerra, as mentioned, hasn't been much chop since his injury. Setterfield would want to put in a blinder to remain on the list. Dow the medi-sub... good grief!
At the moment we're still the masters of our own destiny, win this and the 8 is set. Will require something special, which we have the ability for, to bowl over the Go Ds.
Guess that creates opportunity for the Navy Blue Pendlebury to dazzle us again, maybe he can surprise the punters and play the game of his career so far, sometimes opportunity brings out the best in fringe players.
Well he can't complain that he is behind too many other similar type players.
Cerra, Hewitt, Kennedy are all out.
Walsh and Cripps will get all the attention.
If he half as good as some suggest, he should be in the votes tonight.
We made... what 4 changes this week. Dees unchanged. That's our season in a nutshell.
Go battered Blues
Great. Losing confidence by the minute.
Even though Cerra's form hasn't been great, I had a similar reaction to you, Green Stick. The shoulders slumped.
Well he can't complain that he is behind too many other similar type players.
Cerra, Hewitt, Kennedy are all out.
Walsh and Cripps will get all the attention.
If he half as good as some suggest, he should be in the votes tonight.
I'm just hoping to see some of those no look Pendlebury handpasses and slow motion side steps....
Wonder if Cerra's abductor was an issue last week? It would explain some of his woeful kicking.
I'm just hoping to see some of those no look Pendlebury handpasses and slow motion side steps....
Everything he does is in slow motion, problem is the opposition are at normal speed.
In all honesty though, re Setterfield, this is a big opportunity for him. Perhaps similar circumstances to Kennedy last year.
Given an opportunity due to injuries, he needs to make the most of it.
Unfortunately, i don't think he has the work ethic.
I watched him closely in the second half last week when he didn't have the ball.....and found perhaps his biggest weakness....lack of desire, hunger, ability to push himself. In the last half, he got out of a jog once. And that was to get into space for a backwards kick across half back. Not for chasing an opopnent, or pushing hard back on the turnover....to get a cheap kick.
I'll be watching him closely again and see if the same occurs in the first half or not. Could be a fitness issue, but i suspect not.
Just once I would like to have a full list to select from. Hasn't happened for so long, I barely know what it feels like.
I'm just hoping to see some of those no look Pendlebury handpasses and slow motion side steps....
...and precise passes by foot, not too mention the superior peripheral vision!
Agreed Crash. Even at the very start of the season it was Walsh out for the first few weeks. Then when he came back, we lost McGovern and McDonald. Then Pittonet went down. Then Williams broke down.....We lost McKay for 3 weeks....then Weitering. Martin in and out all season. Marchbank finally gets back and hurts his knee in the first game....ditto Durdin. Throw in blokes like Cunningham out all year. Cerra his missed games here and there....it's just been a sh#t show on the injury front for what seems like 3 years or more. We can't take a trick.
Then you look at Melbourne who've virtually got a clean bill of health with their list....just a few weeks out from finals.