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Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #61 –
We got Hewett to beef up our engine room and Kennedy rose to the occasion. Without those two we are back to our old midfield problems.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #62 –
Quote from: pinot on
He's right over the past fortnight our midfield has been substantially weaker and Walsh trying to do too much and too demanding - not his fault just doesn't trust the players with him in the midfield past couple of weeks. Even looked weak in the midfield when Cerra was missing against Richmond round 14 and when he returned round 16 against the Saints he was short of match fitness - lost both games. Missing both Hewett and Kennedy in the midfield is hurting the team structurally in their clearance work. Need to build depth in this area.

A mate of mine and I were texting during the game, he suggested throwing around the fwds and defenders (ie swapping a few over). I replied saying you could put Jesus Christ fwd or back, if the mids dont win the footy or defend in the middle, it wont achieve anything. I think our mids a have been soundly beaten for 2 weeks in a row and most other games we have lost. I think their work rate has been well down.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
A mate of mine and I were texting during the game, he suggested throwing around the fwds and defenders (ie swapping a few over). I replied saying you could put Jesus Christ fwd or back, if the mids dont win the footy or defend in the middle, it wont achieve anything. I think our mids a have been soundly beaten for 2 weeks in a row and most other games we have lost. I think their work rate has been well down.

Yep - I don't think we need to hunt for A graders but players capable of playing that brutal bull role when required. Richmond had Jack Ross and Jack Graham coming into the midfield when/if Prestia, Cotchin, Lambert were missing. They are not bonafide A graders but good enough to play to a structure. I don't think we need A graders - got a couple of youngsters in the VFL that can help.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #64 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I think our mids a have been soundly beaten for 2 weeks in a row and most other games we have lost. I think their work rate has been well down.
Our Mids are fine, they are carrying the team at stoppages, the problem is we are being smashed in the ruck.

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Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #65 –
Quote from: Lods on
We also assume that as injured players return they'll slot striaght back in as good as they were when they left.
The majority just don't.

Weitering and H have both been a shell of themselves, since coming back.  Makes a big difference.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #66 –
Every single returning player has been completely off.  Other than Saad, I'm struggling to find a bloke playing consistent football for us ATM.
Blokes like Docherty Young Cerra Fisher Harry have been invisible.   Would struggle to beat 18th right now I reckon.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #67 –
What can be said? It was as a pathetic effort for the first three quarters I have seen in 20 years. I mean to say, after the sanctions and under Pagen, we had a crap side, we were broke, had crap facilities and a Coach no-one liked. What was the excuse for yesterday. I remember talking to David McKay at time and telling him all I wanted was a side that has a go because I believe that if you have a side that has a go, you can bring in better players over the time and the Club will improve. What we have done overt he past twenty years is only bring in good players and what we haven't done is develop a team that has a go. Over the past twenty-five years we have had teams that have picked and chose when they were going to turn up for matches, picked and chose which quarters we were going to play, and picked and chose within quarters whether they would have a go. We lost the final against Brisbane all those years ago because the ball was in dispute in the middle of the ground, the Carlton players decided it would be a ball up and stopped playing while the Brisbane players kept going, won the ball sent it forward and they got a goal. Game Over.
There is no team plan if you are not going to win the ball, there is no team plan if you are not going to kick and handball the ball to your team mates, there is no team plan if you aren't going to stick your tackles, there is no team plan if you are not going to run and create and there is no team plan if you are not going to put pressure on your opponents when they have the ball.
When I use to work, teaching and trouble shooting in organisations, I used to say that if you cannot identify the problem you cannot identify the solution. I remember looking on in horror at the start of the season when Sayers was doing a press conference with Voss and Cook and he started trying to convince people of the correctness of the decision to sack Teague  and Liddle by saying the players were chanting Vossy, Vossy, Vossy and Cookie, Cookie, Cookie. Why players would be chanting the name of the CEO is beyond me.
Yesterday further demonstrates what I have been saying for years now, it is not the players, it is not the coaches, it is not the administration, it is not the Club Presidents and it is not the Boards, though many on the Board need to have a good hard look at themselves with the continual leaking to the media over the past twenty odd years. The problem is the culture of the Club.
The worst part of Elliot was that he destroyed the winning culture that Barassi, Nicholls and Harris developed in the 60's and 70's. When Elliot drove the salary cap breaches he basically said that the only way we can win is by cheating. The culture of the Club has changed since then but it now believes it can be successful if it is better than everyone else and only if there is a messiah to lead us because clearly we ar incapable of doing it ourselves.. Pagen, Malthouse, Judd and now Voss, were all suppose to be messiahs btut they have all turned out to be just naughty boys.
Our problem is that we have a losing culture. As I have said a number of times, winners win because they win and losers lose because they lose. Our Club wallows in the celebration of the mediocre. We don't only celebrate the good old days and great performances of teams and individuals we dwell in the past and hope someone will bring us to the promised land. Collingwood is a pretty ordinary side yet they have won eleven games on the trot, nine of which have been under two goals. When was the last time one of our teams made a charge of any sort. The players and Club talk about how great the fans are but they give us nothing. They play with process and without passion. If we are on top then everything is fine, however if our opponents turn up with fight and have fire in their belly, Carlton just turn it up. I am not just having a go at the current team. This has been happening for twenty-five years. As I have been saying, it is cultural. Losing has got to hurt. It doesn't and hasn't for a long time. If it had hurt then something would have been done about it by now.
Just give me a team that is going to have a red hot go throughout an entire match week in and week out. We have got the players, we have got the Coaches and we have got the administration. If we give 100% 100% of the time, success will take care of itself.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #68 –
our players are to slow (forget first 10 rnds close wins were a band aid) how many times / games have we watched opposition score easy goals ,we dont defend as a team and our game plan is the worse in the league .voss and Austin got lot of work to do

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #69 –
The Coaches' votes tell a sorry tale - all Brisbane players except Weitering, who scored 1 vote. No redemption for that final quarter, and rightfully so IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #70 –
The review of the first 3 qtrs would have had the majority our blokes squirming in their seats today. After 2 weeks of utter puss and throwing the season away, I would expect nothing less than a scintillating effort against a down Melb.
But what I will see is more of the same, players are booking their trips by the look of it.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #71 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
The review of the first 3 qtrs would have had the majority our blokes squirming in their seats today. After 2 weeks of utter puss and throwing the season away, I would expect nothing less than a scintillating effort against a down Melb.
But what I will see is more of the same, players are booking their trips by the look of it.

We just don't have wherewithal left,  especially with the loss of Cripps now, to come close.
Reality always wins in the end.
 

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #72 –
The team needs help in the middle - hope Hewett and Kennedy make miraculous recoveries.

If not Hayes and Stocker are the next best fit.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #73 –
Quote from: pinot on
The team needs help in the middle - hope Hewett and Kennedy make miraculous recoveries.
Pretty sure Kennedy can't come back because of the 12 day protocol? Hewett I don't think will play again this year.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #74 –
Quote from: rocky on
Pretty sure Kennedy can't come back because of the 12 day protocol? Hewett I don't think will play again this year.
Pretty rich to ask him to come back from a broken jaw this early.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time