Carlton Supporters Club

So I ask you Jamie.

We spent nearly $800k to send players to Arizona, in high altitude environments, on pressurized aircraft for 24 hours each way in sub zero temperatures do they could sit and ride bikes...

So again is it poor management?

It's just a question.

Facts are in November 3 months before the start of the season we had a huge squad ( more than the previous year) and a lot of guys doing work at home.
Yes there are other injuries but we were talkig about pos season surgeries not other injuries which happen to all clubs?

Show me where I have mentioned mick?

If you and Carrots think that our pre season involves just doing two weeks in Arizona and all who took part have no excuses,

Quote from: Dirty Harry on May 12, 2014, 01:15:25 pm

If you and Carrots think that our pre season involves just doing two weeks in Arizona and all who took part have no excuses,

No excuses when it comes to post season surgery.....and yes, they don't have that as an excuse from where I sit.

Jamie you said it's hard to come on here, well from my perspective the excuses that continue to come up are quite nauseating to me as well. I agree there's a middle ground and both sides are to blame. I don't think you do.

To me if 37 were fit enough in November to travel to te states and let's say 40 all up were doing stuff In November then regardless of surgeries we had a fair squad do a fair chunk of a pre season. So No I don't buy the injury thing as an excuse. Look at the pre season thread, I actaully said we looked underdone... Doesn't make sense to me.

And why is it now only an issue with the group and the coaching staff. The article MBB showed said we were bullish with our squad doing a lot of the pre season. When did it change. When we were 0-4.

If you don't believe that then I'm not sure what to say. Should they start pre season I September (we will this year).

Let's talk about how we had salary cap pressure and couldn't trade last off season even though we had enough room for Cloke to come?

I just want to club to be honest.

Quote from: shadesy on May 12, 2014, 01:36:02 pm

To me if 37 were fit enough in November to travel to te states and let's say 40 all up were doing stuff In November then regardless of surgeries we had a fair squad do a fair chunk of a pre season. So No I don't buy the injury thing as an excuse. Look at the pre season thread, I actaully said we looked underdone... Doesn't make sense to me.

And why is it now only an issue with the group and the coaching staff. The article MBB showed said we were bullish with our squad doing a lot of the pre season. When did it change. When we were 0-4.

If you don't believe that then I'm not sure what to say. Should they start pre season I September (we will this year).

Let's talk about how we had salary cap pressure and couldn't trade last off season even though we had enough room for Cloke to come?

I just want to club to be honest.

To be fair, if we had have got Cloke, we would have had to have traded 2 or 3 players out...   I remember reading that we even had to re do some contracts when the AFL made Judds whole salary go onto our TPP...

Quote from: Dirty Harry on May 12, 2014, 01:39:44 pm

Quote from: shadesy on May 12, 2014, 01:36:02 pm

To me if 37 were fit enough in November to travel to te states and let's say 40 all up were doing stuff In November then regardless of surgeries we had a fair squad do a fair chunk of a pre season. So No I don't buy the injury thing as an excuse. Look at the pre season thread, I actaully said we looked underdone... Doesn't make sense to me.

And why is it now only an issue with the group and the coaching staff. The article MBB showed said we were bullish with our squad doing a lot of the pre season. When did it change. When we were 0-4.

If you don't believe that then I'm not sure what to say. Should they start pre season I September (we will this year).

Let's talk about how we had salary cap pressure and couldn't trade last off season even though we had enough room for Cloke to come?

I just want to club to be honest.

To be fair, if we had have got Cloke, we would have had to have traded 2 or 3 players out...   I remember reading that we even had to re do some contracts when the AFL made Judds whole salary go onto our TPP...

Haha seperate issue... I won't go into it.

Let's just say 8-10 year players like Thornton, Russell and bower would have been on more than the standard $80k draftee contract ;-)

Boy do we need a win tonight!! For all our sakes!!

They thought they were going to win??

It's 11 on the premiership clock, who's fault was that?

Yeah because players, most of who are seasoned professional athletes,  don't have minds of their own, and know that they shouldn't take any opponents lightly.
FFS!! 

Quote from: LP on May 12, 2014, 09:47:22 am

They thought they were going to win??

It's 11 on the premiership clock, who's fault was that?

Yeah because players, most of who are seasoned professional athletes,  don't have minds of their own, and know that they shouldn't take any opponents lightly.
FFS!! 

Quote from: Dominator_7 on May 12, 2014, 03:17:04 pm

Quote from: LP on May 12, 2014, 09:47:22 am

They thought they were going to win??

It's 11 on the premiership clock, who's fault was that?

Yeah because players, most of who are seasoned professional athletes,  don't have minds of their own, and know that they shouldn't take any opponents lightly.
FFS!! 

So in reality, we have two sides of the coin even on the pro-Malthouse side. Some believe the players aren't good enough and some believe they don't want it enough. And some flip flop between the two. (not you Dom)

Nah I had you pegged in the 'players aren't good enough' category. Paranoid much?