Ready for this week.
Set shot kicking for goal in the first cost us everything and we played catch-up for the rest of the match.
There were some absolutely baffling umpiring decisions which angered me immensely but we have no control over them.
Way too angry to type anything more balanced & worth reading.
Very frustrating loss.
Poor kicking for goal.
Poor entries into F50. Targeted CC 16 times for what return.
Small forwards MIA.
Yet for all that..could have won it
Our small forwards are a big problem. No third marking option either.
Sorry forgot the umpiring. Some Mind boggling decisions.
We couldn't have played worse, especially defensively, kicked poorly, and slaughtered by officialdom and still just lost by 13.
That miss by Durdin was a killer. We had plenty of others kicking terribly but that was at such a vital moment. Just crushed momentum, our heads dropped and they got 4 quick ones. He kicks that then anything happens. He was far from the only one but that was part of 0.3 kicked in the first 2 minutes of the last qtr. We should have been in front in that time.
As poor as we were defensively their well-drilled defence conceded 105. We had literally half the side out, which must upset our team defence structures.
No way they are beating us later in the year.
Despite poor conversion and umpiring going against us i thought Scott out coached Voss and we had no answers to counter the play. Used Hawkins as a decoy and burnt us on the rebound with outside run and as a result when they went inside they had space to work into. As they are so clinical when they have time and space we were always going to be up against it.
We love it in tight and contested and killed them in the middle but once the game was in play we couldnt go with them on the rebound and they made us pay everytime.
Lost opportunity against the best in the business right now. Look at the stats and you'd reckon we'd won. 21 more I50s but just butchered the ball in front of goal and around the ground. Other than Weiters the defence was spanked today more so early on.
They are well coached, well drilled and as the commentators said do everything well. What they are right now is what we need to become, simple as that.
Our best IS good enough.
The AFL needs to look at dropping umpires.
The decision making was awful
Lost opportunity against the best in the business right now. Look at the stats and you'd reckon we'd won. 21 more I50s but just butchered the ball in front of goal and around the ground. Other than Weiters the defence was spanked today more so early on.
They are well coached, well drilled and as the commentators said do everything well. What they are right now is what we need to become, simple as that.
Our best IS good enough.
Yep. The end.
I'm hoarse from my all too frequent umpiring advice 😮💨
6 days on, we're up against the other best in the business.
Rest, recover, review, reset.
Go Blues
Need to get our defensively structures functioning properly. Last 3 weeks the opposition has kicked 100, 98, 118. Those 3 scores have been 16.4, 15.8 and 18.10 while we couldn't hit the side of a barn door from point blank range when shooting for goal. Our 2 losses this year, we've lost it more than the other side has won it.
Well that was annoying and not worth dwelling on.
They were efficient.
We were not
Worst umpiring I have seen in years
24 tackles i50. How many were rewarded?
Of the more obvious non-decisions was Elijah's perfect tackle about 25m in front of goal 🙄
Actually, he played very well. Seems to be finding his feet and understanding the game plan.
Cam Guthrie's deliberate oob non-decision, followed by a slingshot Cats goal was another frustrating moment.
Well, stats do lie.
We were wasteful. Created plenty of opportunities, then butchered those opportunities - too often. The Pussycats were clinically efficient. They had no passengers.
For the commentators to be reporting that the Pussycats were getting the 'rub of the green' was telling. Umpire nude-nut needs a 'please explain' from the AFL.
Yep. The end.
I'm hoarse from my all too frequent umpiring advice 😮💨
6 days on, we're up against the other best in the business.
Rest, recover, review, reset.
Go Blues
I find yelling at the screen or at the umps when at the ground about as futile as the players arguing the point with them. Yeah there were some bad ones missed, but there were plenty they didn't get either. When you watched them just get on with it and we were carrying on about them, they made us pay every time. They are such a professional outfit, at the moment they just dont lose focus. I've just always been a bit meh about umpiring, had we not have butchered the ball, we could have easily won. Make no mistake, we did a lot right, we also did too much wrong (mainly skill errors under their pressure).
C'est la vie.
Drop the axe Vossy - too many players are getting a free ride.
That was ours to lose - and we did 🙄
Think we panicked early and then couldn’t make up ground.
Umpiring was putrid and whoever said when the calls are made the Cats just get on with it whereas we didn’t, not what I saw. In fact a few that should’ve been called for dissent thst just sail thru like a lot of the run Geelong got today. We got zero reward for our efforts and they were able to kick out of bounds with no penalty, hold the ball long after being tackled and/or dropping it without penalty too.
That being said, we were a good chance to snatch it until some strange 50m penalty to give them more breathing space 🙄
Need more pressure in our forward line, they were MIA badly.
Drop the axe Vossy - too many players are getting a free ride.
And bring in who? The injury list doesn't allow this, although I would be tempted to just axe a couple to send a message.
Sorely missing the run of Saad and McGovern down back.
We are too predictable going forward and inefficient when it gets there.
The stats say it all.
Bring on the Pies.
^in saying that some strange crap kicking by even Kennedy, was perplexing. Can’t imagine they were exhausted from last week so not sure what happened.
And Tuohy can piss right off.
And bring in who? The injury list doesn't allow this, although I would be tempted to just axe a couple to send a message.
Sorely missing the run of Saad and McGovern down back.
We are too predictable going forward and inefficient when it gets there.
The stats say it all.
Bring on the Pies.
Good Points
Im very worried about the pies pace next week. They also love to run in waves and i hope voss can devise a gameplan to make it difficult for them. While the cats are faster on the outside we had no plan and no structure at all to slow them down. If we cant counter it next week will be a similar result.
Sorry forgot the umpiring. Some Mind boggling decisions.
We won't be seeing these three Umps again anytime soon. They were appalling.
We won't be seeing these three Umps again anytime soon. They were appalling.
During the TV commentary, Dunstall repeatedly spoke about the anti Carlton umping decisions. At one point he said Carlton are playing against 2 teams.
I'm not suggesting that excuses our many shortcomings but it does validate what some folk saw.
During the TV commentary, Dunstall repeatedly spoke about the anti Carlton umping decisions. At one point he said Carlton are playing against 2 teams.
I'm not suggesting that excuses our many shortcomings but it does validate what some folk saw.
What stood out for me was Cripps jumper being pulled at most stoppages, he got a few and they missed a few more.
It’s a pretty good effort against the current undefeated team, with 16 on the injury list, dodgy umpiring, some near misses and sloppy play. Geelong had an even spread of experienced, first choice contributors, we were relying too much on our stars. Plenty going against us, and we dominated pretty much every statistical indicator, and nearly overran them. They were good enough and had enough of their best 22 to keep their noses in front.
A super effort by our boys. If ever one could be optimistic after a loss, it would be this game.
Charlie is interesting at the moment. I can see that he is trying to keep his feet and impact the secondary contest when it hits the deck. TBH today I would have liked to seen him run and jump at/on a few packs. He was a little 1 dimensional I thought.
As for TDK telling the world about "iso" in the media recently, not very clever.
Drop the axe Vossy - too many players are getting a free ride.
There is no-one left.
Vossy is filthy with the performance. Not a happy man knows the Presser.
There is no-one left.
Exactly, only Cincotta left in the in the twos with some size and ability. Binns looked like an Auskicker next to the Geel brutes. He needs to come and eat at Chateaux G2C, Ill get some weight on him.
Vossy is filthy with the performance. Not a happy man knows the Presser.
Voss very unhappy with the defensive side of things.
And the defence in general which I thought...
lacked confidence, understanding, was unsure and structurally all over the shop.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1540359/afl-r7-voss-post-match?videoId=1540359&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1714213080001
As for TDK telling the world about "iso" in the media recently, not very clever.
What is this?
Binns looked like an Auskicker next to the Geel brutes. He needs to come and eat at Chateaux G2C, I'll get some weight on him.
Yet people have been demanding his inclusion.
I said orazio provides valuable leadersgip and few listened.
How much more space would we find with some better instruction. On field leaders are important.
Ollie Hollands has needed a spell since round two.
Need to find touch and confidence - is a complete liability right now
Explain to me how the whole Southern Stand saw Williams get coat hangered but not one of the 4 umpires saw it? That turned the game back in their favour.
We wasted opportunities, but when you get non-decisions with such a bias in the impact of umpiring decisions, it's hard to win, it's like you are battling two opponents all the time.
Dangerflog basically throws himself at opponents legs unpenalised, diving head first hitting blokes below the knees and claiming high contact. Sure he didn't get a free, but he must have tripped or grab the legs of our blokes at least 5 or 6 times, and he basically did his best to use his body to take out our midfield's legs. He ended Judd's career by tunnelling, and he's happy to take others out, opponents needs to start putting some knees in the way of his head!
The umpiring screwed us over on advantage multiple times, sure we wasted footy, but I've not seen a half of footy like the first where the game was so closely contested yet the umpiring was so influential in the outcome.
We were dominant in the midfield, then the Handbaggers were basically permitted to tackle blokes before the ball arrived. Cripps got 3 frees, he should have had 10 or more, it was bullcrap! Then after missing 2 or 3 crucial frees, they give up a nothing evener on the HBF.
While Henry gets 2 of his 3 goals through blatant non-decision push outs by himself and a team-mate.
How do Stanley and Blicavs get to wrap arms around Pitto and TDK, yet be rewarded frees kicks for our blokes holding?
There should be a bunch of blokes apologising to Cripps tonight, he led them into battle and they folded like crepe paper.
Insult to injury. Liverpool's last fortnight to go with our losses to adelaide and geelong.
Ive never felt so flat.
Not up to the challenge on elite level yet.
You can’t learn as much from a win as you can from a loss or failure. Our next run of games will test Voss and what he has to work with. Collingwood, Melbourne and Sydney. Tough run. Our best game beats the best sides doesn’t eventuate on the scoreboard if you can’t deliver a four quarter effort. I won’t be completely devastated if we drop another 2 or 3 games in our next 5 outings. It builds character and hunger. Not happy that we lost. Never expected to beat the current flag favourites. They are the benchmark. We don’t have the list they have. We don’t have the polish just yet to make the most of our forward 50 entries. Give it time.
What is this?
TDK in an interview interview told of how when Charlie calls "iso", he wants them to clear the space and give him room (ie I assume iso means isolate). For me, divulging tactics in the media in any way shape or form is a no no. I get it, opo coaches know stuff about you already, but let them find it out themselves, dont give the info to them. Attention to detail.
TDK in an interview interview told of how when Charlie calls "iso", he wants them to clear the space and give him room (ie I assume iso means isolate). For me, divulging tactics in the media in any way shape or form is a no no. I get it, opo coaches know stuff about you already, but let them find it out themselves, dont give the info to them. Attention to detail.
Probably not a great idea to talk tactics in an interview but Curnow would only have to do it once or twice and the opposition would see what's going on. and be aware.
No point whingeing about the umpires although it’s hard not to.
One that has me befuddled is the 50 against Harry for moving off the mark. If the umpire called “Stand” before Cripps came in to take over the mark it certainly wasn’t audible on the commentary.
And, for what it’s worth, the ball bobbled off Henry’s chest as it crossed the line. Only a few centimeters of “air time” but you’re telling me they don’t have camera in all 4 posts? At the MCG?? In 2024???
Probably not a great idea to talk tactics in an interview but Curnow would only have to do it once or twice and the opposition would see what's going on. and be aware.
And better it’s out now than before the GF.
Zac Williams gave up four goals through poor defending and turn over.
Newman is out of form and not close checking.
Lost same way as we did against Adelaide lack of run and speed in transition with two rucks.
Williams isn't in my best best 22 - doesn't defend anywhere near hard enough. Great when he has the ball running down field, it's the other stuff.
We all know our defence is a bit decimated at the moment, but it was awful yesterday.
If Weitering is the general down there.... then yesterday was his Waterloo.
He held Hawkins well, but his troops failed all around him.
Young is so hesitant that on one of the few occasions he did attack the ball with some intensity to take a mark it stood out like a sore thumb.
Kemp hasn't progressed (gone backwards in fact) and as soon as McGovern and Saad are back he should go forward where his marking may be of benefit.
Newman looks a bit flat and at times frustrated. I suspect with regulars missing he's being required to do a bit extra.
Cowan is still finding his feet, but doesn't seem to have made a lot of progress, and will be playing mostly VFL.
Williams...bad outweighed the good.
Probably the most damning vision from yesterday was one of the last.
In what Fkn situation, when momentum was with us, is the only player close enough to put any pressure on Jeremy Cameron (the most dangerous opposition player).... Jaxon Binns. >:(
Williams isn't in my best best 22 - doesn't defend anywhere near hard enough. Great when he has the ball running down field, it's the other stuff.
Agree he was disappointing yesterday the media have accused him of staging for a free where he appeared to be caught high and then that passage of play produced a important goal for Geelong.
Weird game. I couldn't work out whether we were lucky to be within 4 goals for most of it, or unlucky that we weren't 4 goals in front.
Not much more to be added to general comments that have been made. For commentators to call out umpires, there's something wrong, but we can't control them, so focus on the plenty of opportunities that we wasted. There was a lot of good stuff in there as well...
I don't normally give a lot of weight to umpire failings....I'd lose too many televisions if I did, but...
There has been a bit of noise around Carlton getting a good rub of the green so far this year.
There are lots of memes around from opposition supporters about preferential treatment for Carlton, and especially Cripps.
You'd like to think some of the 'odd' decisions yesterday weren't a bit of a square up.
But a few probably need a 'please explain'
The Cripps and Harry debacle standing the mark.
and
The 'inconclusive' score review of a mark on the line.
Unless there was other vision for the reviewer, the goal post obscured the important part of the play.
Agree he was disappointing yesterday the media have accused him of staging for a free where he appeared to be caught high and then that passage of play produced a important goal for Geelong.
If he staged then he should be suspended. I would like the AFL to come out and say it was a free kick or he staged.
That's two games of the last three where we lost in a similar manner. That's a glaring issue. Maybe so many close wins prior papered over some cracks?
At half time my most dominant thought was just how wasteful we were. And how perplexing (to be kind) umpiring was sucking the wind out of our sails. Jason D (and others) summed up the umpiring rather nicely.
As Principal LODS noted, as did this little black duck, Vossy was most unimpressed with our lack of discipline. He refused to individualize as it was team discipline (defence), or the lack thereof, that he focussed on. The Pussycats were 'allowed' to be clinically efficient in front of goal (as were the Croweaters and GWS).
We're sixth on the ladder with an ordinary %. Good feedback. About where we belong. But we all know we're better than that... or are we? Perhaps after so many years in the wilderness we're (and players?) just happy to be in the eight? Not sure Vossy shares that contentment.
Some thoughts on individuals/specifics.
Baffled as to why a strong-bodied, hard, quick and close checking Cincotta is being left out of our defence. Williams brings dash and some impressive cameos, but his defensive work is below parr.
Young is way too one-dimensional and lacks intensity.
Delivery into the forward line is ordinary. Sixteen times (or thereabouts) we dumped the aggot on Charles' head - defenders love that. When we looked for other options we were more productive (efficient?), as an example when E Hollands (who often made very good position) was utilized, it bothered the defence and we hit the scoreboard... just not often enough ...utilizing other forward options. Lazy stuff to put the aggot on Charles' head and expect him to produce miracles. When we were, all too seldom, delivering the pill in front of a leading Charles or H, or Chugga, or Owies, or Elija or...., it often had a better outcome.
Small Durds just doesn't do enough.
Thank the gods for Crippa, Pitto, Walsh, Weiters, Acres, Chugga and H.
If he staged then he should be suspended. I would like the AFL to come out and say it was a free kick or he staged.
It looked soft compared to other hits but anything above the shoulders is high. It doesn't matter if the tackler is a 'good guy'.
Plus Williams probably got a finger to the face as the hand went past hence staying down and holding his face.
Kruddler mentioned it before the Giants game.
Saad and McGovern are very quick.
Cowan and Young are not.
Geelong's first goal was set up by Danger inside 50, guess who was on him? Young.
In what Fkn situation, when momentum was with us, is the only player close enough to put any pressure on Jeremy Cameron (the most dangerous opposition player).... Jaxon Binns. >:(
Yep. My TV barely survived that one.
Further to that, doesn’t matter which player of ours it was, why the hell were they 3 metres away? For god’s sake, if anyone should have a player’s hand placed on their chest by way of tracking their position in space and time, it’s Cameron - especially when the game’s on the line in the last few minutes.
That was ours to lose - and we did 🙄
Think we panicked early and then couldn’t make up ground.
Umpiring was putrid and whoever said when the calls are made the Cats just get on with it whereas we didn’t, not what I saw. In fact a few that should’ve been called for dissent thst just sail thru like a lot of the run Geelong got today. We got zero reward for our efforts and they were able to kick out of bounds with no penalty, hold the ball long after being tackled and/or dropping it without penalty too.
That being said, we were a good chance to snatch it until some strange 50m penalty to give them more breathing space 🙄
Need more pressure in our forward line, they were MIA badly.
Crips was livid. He gave away a stupid free kick after the goal and and they goaled again. Game over.
Kruddler mentioned it before the Giants game.
Yet, I wouldn't say the Handbaggers are faster across the ground than GWS and our D50 coped.
But the Handbaggers made extreme use of the footy, while we wasted it, and that was fundamentally the difference.
Explain to me how the whole Southern Stand saw Williams get coat hangered but not one of the 4 umpires saw it? That turned the game back in their favour.
X100.
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Small Durds just doesn't do enough.
Thank the gods for Crippa, Pitto, Walsh, Weiters, Acres, Chugga and H.
In hindsight the MC probably made the wrong call benching Owies and keeping Durdin on, Owies problem wasn't that he wasn't leading to the right spaces, but that we didn't kick to his advantage, much the same for Charlie and BigH.
Too many times we had smalls, mediums free inside F50, even Kennedy and Cripps, and yet we kicked it on the head of Charlie or BigH. Our blokes are 30m away in space and nobody at the crumb. That is bad decision making / bad vision by the kicker, not the fault of the forwards.
Kennedy's best game this season, gets better as each week passes, also Acres best so far this season, might get them both kick started for 2024. TDK had a good game as well.
Imagine if Dangflog wasn't permitted to dive on the pill and take out opponents legs without penalty? Go back and watch the replay, twice you'll see him grab the boots of Carlton players without getting close to the footy, he gets a free pass for flopping like a squid out of water.
Hard to believe some wanted no BigH in the 22 at seasons start, hard to imagine us being competitive without him!
Why can the likes of Tuohy or Guthrie take the footy run 2 or 3 steps, be tackled and then just hold onto to it unpenalised, but Hewett or Acres does that and it's holding the ball?
Watching the replay is infuriating, all those little moments go against us, we probably missed out at least 5 or 6 free kicks in and around our HFF in just a half of footy, incidents where the Handbaggers just held onto the footy after trying to break a tackle, dropped it cold, or just threw it away. Our tacklers were not rewarded at all!
Our offence is fine, it's our all over the ground defence.
Fogarty was ranked the best pressure forward in the comp and since we have lost him we have conceded 100, 98 and 118 points.
The likes of Carrol and Durdin offer no pressure which makes it harder for Acres, Cottrell and Hollands to give chase. Which makes it hard for Williams, Kemp and Cowan to defend.
Why can the likes of Tuohy or Guthrie take the footy run 2 or 3 steps, be tackled and then just hold onto to it unpenalised, but Hewett or Acres does that and it's holding the ball?
Watching the replay is infuriating, all those little moments go against us, we probably missed out at least 5 or 6 free kicks in and around our HFF in just a half of footy, incidents where the Handbaggers just held onto the footy after trying to break a tackle, dropped it cold, or just threw it away. Our tacklers were not rewarded at all!
Clarkson complained about this in 2016 when they were knocked out of the finals by the dogs. He asked how can you have 100 tackles and not one holding the ball? What is the point in tackling?
The likes of Carrol and Durdin offer no pressure which makes it harder for Acres, Cottrell and Hollands to give chase. Which makes it hard for Williams, Kemp and Cowan to defend.
I suppose injuries are forcing our hand, but I still don't understand subbing Owies and keeping Durdin, Carroll and adding Binns.
We are missing Fogarty, and probably Cunningham as well, but rather than sub Owies I'd have subbed Durdin or Carroll and sent Owies further up the field. Unless of course there are reasons, maybe Owies is not 100% fit. Early this season and last season, it was Owies you'd find on the last line body on body with an opponent.
Even so, I don't understand the change from the GWS to the Handbaggers game, maybe the GWS game took more out of our lot than we realise.
Cowan's first couple of games back weren't too bad, but he turned it into a hot potato a lot, Cincotta is a bit unlucky.
I don't understand Young.
But then again I don't understand a skied ball inside F50 and all our forwards crowding around the fall of the ball 35m out and watching it bounce.
Zac Williams gave up four goals through poor defending and turn over.
Newman is out of form and not close checking.
Lost same way as we did against Adelaide lack of run and speed in transition with two rucks.
Williams is not a defender per se', we all know that and Chris Scott exploited it to perfection. Unfortunately, his team mates (in defence) let him down by lack of support. Zac is a creative run and carry HB with good disposal skills, yesterday he was taken to places he just didn't want to go to. He and his team mates will review it and learn. The key to a premiership is a solid, consistant back 6 or 7, whilst we are treading water at the minute, we aren't are premiership threat right now due to the disruption of the defensive unit. Once we get them back and they can regain their cohesion and consistency, then will we see if we are contenders or not.
In hindsight, we might have been better off having Charlie run with Cameron for a one on one all over the ground and force Cameron to go with him. Weiters has Hawkins covered, Charlie is a good match size and aerobically for Cameron.
We still have BigH, TDK and Cripps to push into F50, but stop Hawkins and Cameron and the Handbaggers look much more limited for options. I don't know how many of the Handbagger scores started with a Cameron involvement from somewhere outside the arc, but I'd assert it was plenty.
We had ample scoring opportunities to win the game anyway but just blew too many of them.
Midfield is great best in the competition
Key forwards best in the competition
Unfortunately it takes a team to win games and not individuals.
Not so much interested who will be chopped but rather who is Cincotta and Cerra going to replace and potentially Cunners.
Explain to me how the whole Southern Stand saw Williams get coat hangered but not one of the 4 umpires saw it? That turned the game back in their favour.
Not sure if you saw the replay or not, but i wouldn't have paid it from the replay, and if i was Vossy, i would be tearing strips of Williams for diving and giving them a goal as a result.
I don't know what Cincotta has done or said but his card appears to be marked. I think i had him in my best 22 at the start of the year or at least next in line. He has been an emergency just about every game, and it doesn't how many injuries we get, he still remains an emergency.
Honestly, i would've preferred him in the side over Young yesterday, and that is saying something with the twin towers they had there.
Young loses his opponent too many times, and that costs us goals. Kemp and Weitering don't lose their opponents half as much, and even if they did we'd still be better off with the extra run we'd get by not having Young as a hinderence in that area.
McGovern provides exactly that, and Cincotta is a poor mans McGovern.
Why can the likes of Tuohy or Guthrie take the footy run 2 or 3 steps, be tackled and then just hold onto to it unpenalised, but Hewett or Acres does that and it's holding the ball?
The constant just holding onto the ball without trying is furiating to watch.......but thats what happens with the 'no prior' rule.
I keep banging on about it, but remove that rule and that doesn't happen.
Players can't simply cause a stoppage because they want to by not attempting to move the ball on. THAT needs to be penalised, but current rules don't allow it.
Remove 'prior' and that immediately disappears. Players are handballing/kicking/slapping/punching/tapping the ball on rather than simply hatching it.
AFL won't do it, because they are too slow to see/fix trends and justify their own existence, but i'm telling you, the game would be much better for it.
I don't know what Cincotta has done or said but his card appears to be marked. I think i had him in my best 22 at the start of the year or at least next in line. He has been an emergency just about every game, and it doesn't how many injuries we get, he still remains an emergency.
The problem that's now been created is that he hasn't been playing football on a regular basis for a while now at any level...so will essentially come in cold.
Nothing in any proposed rule changes can stop the asymmetry, the problem is not a rule the problem, it's that some teams basically badger and batter officials until things fall their way.
A great example is happening today, rather than the AFL media focussing on Handbaggers continually infringing off the ball, the Handbagger mafia is at play beating up a storm about Williams staging for a free? The AFL media has largely ignored the act of holding 20m off the footy, it's a smokescreen by the Handbaggers, who are desperate to escape a focus on their off the ball activities.
Another great example came from yesterday, Cripps continually gets coated hangered by opponents and while he get's some frees he probably deserves twice as many. He hunts the footy, puts his head over the ball and get's grabbed over the shoulder, the bloke is 195cm, most have to reach up to grab his shoulders! It's bizarre in an era in which the head is supposed to be protected.
Fans forget, when the Handbaggers do the fast break, it leaves opponents loose all over the ground, if the opposition force a turnover they are left vulnerable, so they get away with it by nefarious off the ball tactics that stop opponents finding or closing space.
We have more AFL umpires out on the ground than every before, how can it be they don't see the illegal holds and shepherds that allow the Handbagger Dad's Army to remain competitive? Those illegal checks and grabs, basically keep opponents close enough for the Dad's Army to impose pressure and slow the transition if they lose the footy. They also stop our own defence closing space when you turn it over yourself. Some fans have bought into it, but the reality is by the time Williams extricates himself from the arm drag it's too late, he's been illegally stopped / delayed and the opposition have 10m of clear space, so he has no choice and it didn't just happen once or just to Williams.
The problem that's now been created is that he hasn't been playing football on a regular basis for a while now at any level...so will essentially come in cold.
Gotta bite the bullet sometime.
Couldn't have been any worse than Binns was......which is to be expected as a debutant....but it fills a need.
Nothing in the rule changes can stop the asymmetry, the problem is not a rule the problem is that some teams basically badger and batter officials until things fall their way.
A great example is happening today, rather than the AFL media focussing on Handbaggers continually infringing off the ball, the Handbagger mafia is at play beating up a storm about Williams staging for a free? The AFL media has largely ignored the act of holding 20m off the footy, it's a smokescreen by the Handbaggers, who are desperate to escape a focus on their off the ball activities.
Fans forget, when the Handbaggers do the fast break, it leaves opponents loose all over the ground, if the opposition force a turnover they are left vulnerable, so they get away with it by nefarious off the ball tactics that stop opponents finding or closing space.
We have more AFL umpires out on the ground than every before, how can it be they don't see the illegal holds and shepherds that allow the Handbagger Dad's Army to remain competitive?
You consistently seem to miss the point of removing the rule.
It doesn't fix every decision in the game.
It doesn't solve world hunger.
It doesn't cure cancer.
It fixes players/teams using it as a tactic to cause stoppages instead of trying to continue the play. Thats it.
Remove it, and that tactic goes with it.
The knock on from there is a much more free flowing game with more of a one-on-one focus because the ball will be pinging around so quickly (due to less stoppages) that teams will be found out if they don't man up. Leaving your man behind will be high risk, low reward.
In turn, that will help defensively with turnovers if you start with a more defensive mindset to begin with.
Currently, its attack at all costs and if it doesn't go your way, hatch the ball, cause a stoppage and reset.
TDK in an interview interview told of how when Charlie calls "iso", he wants them to clear the space and give him room (ie I assume iso means isolate). For me, divulging tactics in the media in any way shape or form is a no no. I get it, opo coaches know stuff about you already, but let them find it out themselves, dont give the info to them. Attention to detail.
Or be clever. Charlie calls "iso" and we kick it to Harry.
Having watched the replay this morning, even the commentators were astounded by how much the Handbagger Dad's Army get away with, even Dunstall who normally thinks us getting a raw deal is good was inspired to something, before trying to explain it way with an excuse of being kind to the Handbaggers.
Or be clever. Charlie calls "iso" and we kick it to Harry.
Yes, the Handbagger ball use and decision making made us look D-Grade, they picked the open target 9 out of 10 times, and we went to blokes who were outnumbered 3:1.
Having watched the replay this morning, even the commentators were astounded by how much the Handbagger Dad's Army get away with, even Dunstall who normally thinks us getting a raw deal is good was inspired to something, before trying to explain it way with an excuse of being kind to the Handbaggers.
Dunstall only gives us a raw deal when we don't try.
He used to barrack for the blues and very much has a soft spot for us now. If he is critical, you can guarantee we are on here as well. He actually loves the club.
Dunstall only gives us a raw deal when we don't try.
He used to barrack for the blues and very much has a soft spot for us now. If he is critical, you can guarantee we are on here as well. He actually loves the club.
Dunstall publicly stated on one of the footy shows, just last season or the season before, that despite following the Blues as a kid he now hates Carlton.
Even so, love or hate us, his comments about the rub of the umpiring can't be challenged because it's just too obvious. It was so obvious it must be almost embarrassing to some AFL officials.
Like or loath that stuff, opposition club's can't allow it to continue, they have to find a way to bring the Handbagger tactics into focus.
The positive is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics, half the side out and lost by just 13pts.
The negative is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics and if that doesn't improve then getting blokes back won't help as it should. Pressure rating spent much of the day in the 160s, only going over 200 when we were a few goals behind.
Last week was similar until mid-way through the 3rd qtr where every changed once we were 20pts down. Pressure rating went from the 150s straight to 240 and stayed there changing the game. Maybe we thought we could get away with it again and didn't.
I followed the pressure ratings the last 2 weeks and it rose massively once we fell behind. Once we raised it both GWS and Geelong had issues with it. Yesterday, not long enough.
Thinking after that presser from Voss that defensively we will be way better next week. Won't be 118 to 105 again.
lack of run and spread how many years have i watched carlton get done in this same manner yet we keep recruiting slow players eg E hollands ,carol 2 latest addition havent got breakaway speed .
If anyone had any doubts about Pittonets ruck ability after yesterdays efforts then they don't understand football.
Lets play a game of Pittonet vs .....
Hitouts
Pittonet - 28
vs
Blicavs + Stanley - 28
Hitouts to advantage
Pittonet - 7
vs
Blicavs + Stanley - 4
Possessions
Pittonet - 19
vs
Blicavs + Stanley - 19
Clearances
Pittonet - 11
vs
Blicavs + Stanley - 5
vs
Bruhn + Miers = 11 (Geelongs highest 2 clearances winners on the ground yesterday)
TOG
Pittonet - 66%
vs
Blicavs (83%) - Stanley (80%)
Pittonet only played 2/3's of the game, but output the combined tally of both cats rucks (or best mids), so anything we got from TDK was a bonus.
Unfortunately TDK wasn't as good as he was last week, 0.3 instead of 3.0 the biggest difference, but was good enough as a forward target to keep persisting with him as a ruck/forward.
Last week was similar until mid-way through the 3rd qtr where every changed once we were 20pts down. Pressure rating went from the 150s straight to 240 and stayed there changing the game. Maybe we thought we could get away with it again and didn't.
I followed the pressure ratings the last 2 weeks and it rose massively once we fell behind. Once we raised it both GWS and Geelong had issues with it. Yesterday, not long enough.
I hinted a week or two ago that this sort of loss was coming, we can't keep living on the edge and escaping with close wins, we have to find ways to lock down on opponents and have easier wins or we'll be cooked before the finals.
At times last year we got off to flying starts then faded, this year we are slow out of the blocks but finishing strongly, we need to find a balance. I'd say last year's late season game style was less punishing than this years game style, but we should be better at controlling the footy this year so if we get off to the better start it would be harder for opponents to close the gap.
Dunstall publicly stated on one of the footy shows, just last season or the season before, that despite following the Blues as a kid he now hates Carlton.
Even so, love or hate us, his comments about the rub of the umpiring can't be challenged because it's just too obvious. It was so obvious it must be almost embarrassing to some AFL officials.
Like or loath that stuff, opposition club's can't allow it to continue, they have to find a way to bring the Handbagger tactics into focus.
....and he has also stated that he has a soft spot for Carlton during the same time frame.
On his footy show 'bounce' which is most likely where you heard him say that, he plays a character as much as anything else. Kinda like Sam Newman. When he is more himself, you can see his true feelings come out.
The positive is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics, half the side out and lost by just 13pts.
The negative is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics and if that doesn't improve then getting blokes back won't help as it should. Pressure rating spent much of the day in the 160s, only going over 200 when we were a few goals behind.
Last week was similar until mid-way through the 3rd qtr where every changed once we were 20pts down. Pressure rating went from the 150s straight to 240 and stayed there changing the game. Maybe we thought we could get away with it again and didn't.
I followed the pressure ratings the last 2 weeks and it rose massively once we fell behind. Once we raised it both GWS and Geelong had issues with it. Yesterday, not long enough.
Thinking after that presser from Voss that defensively we will be way better next week. Won't be 118 to 105 again.
We've played 2 of the best teams in the league the last 2 weeks. Played terrible for majority of the last 8 quarters, with half a side not available and come out of it with a 1-1 record and plenty of upside.
We should fear no side.
We've played 2 of the best teams in the league the last 2 weeks. Played terrible for majority of the last 8 quarters, with half a side not available and come out of it with a 1-1 record and plenty of upside.
We should fear no side.
Once the second half of the season comes, with players back, heading to a peak I believe we handle anyone. If we want it badly enough this year we can certainly win it. It seems we do.
....and he has also stated that he has a soft spot for Carlton during the same time frame.
Hmm, maybe, but in particular I'm not so sure the comments in the heat of the moment aren't genuine.
As for having a "soft spot for Carlton", I'll assert it's his and the AFL's purse that has Carlton giving them a thrill, they love the crowds bringing in the dollars!
It's the very same motivation for McGuire, they want us in the race for as long as possible as long as we fall on the last hurdle, Carlton actually winning the race is their nightmare, but maybe not the AFLs!
Once the second half of the season comes, with players back, heading to a peak I believe we handle anyone. If we want it badly enough this year we can certainly win it. It seems we do.
If its one thing Vossy knows its that once you get to finals, everything that comes before means nothing.
The way Leigh Matthews used to get his side cheery ripe for finals and dominate despite never finishing top.
2001 - 2004
2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Flag, flag, flag, runners up.
Hmm, maybe, but in particular I'm not so sure the comments in the heat of the moment aren't genuine.
As for having a "soft spot for Carlton", I'll assert it's his and the AFL's purse that is where a strong Carlton gives them a thrill!
I think you're jumping at shadows again or maybe your tin foil hat is too tight.
I'd love to have Dunstall commentate every game as he favours us more than anyone else.
He even called out Huddo who used 'we' when talking about the Cats....he is a Geelong supporter in case you didn't know.
Kingy was on our side as well.
Moons has an unashamed Cats bias, but still saw we got robbed on a few occasions.
The way Leigh Matthews used to get his side cheery ripe for finals and dominate despite never finishing top.
2001 - 2004
2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Flag, flag, flag, runners up.
Managed two rucks through those seasons to perfection, the media bashed Matthews for bringing Keating in(cold) late in the season, in retrospect it was a master stroke. Recall many in the media thought Keating was cooked and should have retired.
It's basically where Chris Scott learned the Dad's Army system of senior player management.
An aside, ignoring all the other stuff, we should be bitching about Stanley holding, not getting penalised for holding allowed Stanley to reduce the influence of Pitto. A fit Pitto is perfectly suited to the new rules because he's so strong when fit.
Another left field, should we have told TDK to run with Cameron, what do we do if next when we play the Handbaggers, only Rnd 15 not far away, if McGovern is out? The last few seasons Cameron hasn't played as mobile, the ongoing Handbagger weakness in the ruck has forced Cameron up the field reminiscent of his early GWS days. Opponents need to find a way to curtail his influence.
How that umpire penalised Pitto for a hold is bizarre, the umpire was in front of the contest on the side Stanley was holding from, free of obstruction could see Stanley's arm wrapped around Pitto's waist, and pinged Pitto for holding! :o
If its one thing Vossy knows its that once you get to finals, everything that comes before means nothing.
The way Leigh Matthews used to get his side cheery ripe for finals and dominate despite never finishing top.
2001 - 2004
2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Flag, flag, flag, runners up.
Same with Hardwick and Richmond. They went flag, PF, flag, flag. Only year they finished on top was the year they didn't win.
If anyone had any doubts about Pittonets ruck ability after yesterdays efforts then they don't understand football.
Not sure many doubted him or his ruck ability.
You're the one who wanted to leave him out of the side :D :D
One of the things that's really impressive is his use of handball at the moment.
He's standing in tackles and dishing it off.
One of the thing that's really impressive is his use of handball at the moment.
He's standing in tackles and dishing it off.
For me, it's Pitto's strength that allows him to push off opponents under the new ruck rules, which basically makes him more agile than he would be if he was just in a flat foot race to the footy. If opponents grab his arm they are likely to get pinged for holding, and when Pitto pushes off he becomes another ground ball player, he is above average below the knees for a bloke his size.
In this regard the "strong arm" rule is perhaps better for Pitto than say Nankervis or McInerney who are less mobile.
I always thought the go for TDK would be to play similarly, basically concede the tap with a minimal effort but push off to recover and become another midfielder in the chain of play. You either assist team-mates or become a road block for opponents, but you must always be one or the other.
Not sure many doubted him or his ruck ability.
You're the one who wanted to leave him out of the side :D :D
One of the thing that's really impressive is his use of handball at the moment.
He's standing in tackles and dishing it off.
Plenty did and kept saying how useless those stats were and how he does nothing around the ground too.
Can't hear any of that now.
Even i underestimated his abilities.
Its imagine what a player can do when he gets back to full fitness.
My preference is still to play 1 ruck and have another player give a chop out, but that other player needs to be able to hold down another spot on his own merits. Currently, TDK is doing that with the absense of a 3rd tall in Silvagnis mold. The moment TDK drops off up forward is the moment he or Pitto needs to be dropped.
Then its a matter of who you think is best and why.
....and thats the part people cant agree on because different people weigh up different areas differently.
Plenty did and kept saying how useless those stats were and how he does nothing around the ground too.
Can't hear any of that now.
Even i underestimated his abilities.
Its imagine what a player can do when he gets back to full fitness.
My preference is still to play 1 ruck and have another player give a chop out, but that other player needs to be able to hold down another spot on his own merits. Currently, TDK is doing that with the absense of a 3rd tall in Silvagnis mold. The moment TDK drops off up forward is the moment he or Pitto needs to be dropped.
Then its a matter of who you think is best and why.
....and thats the part people cant agree on because different people weigh up different areas differently.
That's the thing though
Pittonet and Tom 'are' very different ruckmen.
And both would be well within the best 22 at the moment.
Would you drop Pittonet or Tom to add 'one of' Cincotta, Binns, Durdin, Owies, Carroll, Cowan, either Hollands etc etc.
I didn't give him a vote, but plenty impressed with Boyd, gets better every week.
Made a few mistakes that burned some opportunities, but fixed most of them, his relentless 2nd efforts are A-Grade, others need to watch his intensity.
And both would be well within the best 22 at the moment.
Would you drop Pittonet or Tom to add 'one of' Cincotta, Binns, Durdin, Owies, Carroll, Cowan, either Hollands etc etc.
Agreed, they are automatics at the moment, Midfield and Ruck is not our problem.
If anything yesterday perhaps we got it wrong with Charlie and BigH, should have got up the ground a bit more and made themselves an annoyance for Cameron? Most rucks can't go with Cameron, so you either need a big mobile KPD or you have to find ways to make him accountable, if Cameron charges off up the ground to become the loose man in defence, make his opponent a focus.
Sounds easy.
Its more to do with the service Cameron was getting from their high half and small forwards.. they were the problem imo. Defensive transitioning to plug in holes wasn't good enough as lacked run - team defence wasn't where it should be and that needs to be fixed this week.
Yep. My TV barely survived that one.
Further to that, doesn’t matter which player of ours it was, why the hell were they 3 metres away? For god’s sake, if anyone should have a player’s hand placed on their chest by way of tracking their position in space and time, it’s Cameron - especially when the game’s on the line in the last few minutes.
Yes, can't help but agree totally. Where was the Carlton player whose job was to wear Cameron (Geelong's most dangerous forward) like a skin? At least Binnsie tried to man up, but hardly his role.
Feel for our coaches watching on such inept defensive work
Ab
Yes, can't help but agree totally. Where was the Carlton player whose job was to wear Cameron (Geelong's most dangerous forward) like a skin? At least Binnsie tried to man up, but hardly his role.
Feel for our coaches watching on such inept defensive work
Ab
No doubt Voss was disppointed with the whole defensive effort, but that one would have been particularly 'triggering' just prior to the after match presser.
Williams is not a defender per se', we all know that and Chris Scott exploited it to perfection. Unfortunately, his team mates (in defence) let him down by lack of support. Zac is a creative run and carry HB with good disposal skills, yesterday he was taken to places he just didn't want to go to. He and his team mates will review it and learn. The key to a premiership is a solid, consistant back 6 or 7, whilst we are treading water at the minute, we aren't are premiership threat right now due to the disruption of the defensive unit. Once we get them back and they can regain their cohesion and consistency, then will we see if we are contenders or not.
You cant be on 800k a year and turn the ball over like he did vs good teams like Geelong. As was pointed out by "Pinot"his efforts or lack of led to 3-4 goals being scored by Geelong and the attacking value he gives isnt worth his lack of defensive prowess. His disposal is way overrated imho and I wouldnt have him in my best 22 and he is very fortunate we are down on troops with injury and he doesnt have much competition for his spot.
Stengle at 175cm/73kg outbodied Zac 183cm/84kg in the goal square for an easy mark and goal which was just garbage defense from our man imo...its very hard to hold your place in the backline as an attacking only player and your skillset and decision making has to be at the Nick Daicos level to get away with it and Zac is nowhere near that high bar.
If he staged then he should be suspended. I would like the AFL to come out and say it was a free kick or he staged.
Watched it a few times on video and there appears to be high contact of sorts but ZW also appears to have exaggerated the force of the contact and the umpires ignored it due to the extra mayo he applied.
It probably should have been a free but you cant expect to get those all the time either and he should have played through the contact and not let Geelong(Henry) have a zero contest situation.
The umpires were terrible overall imo and let play go especially holding the ball/man situations and you just have to be able to read the game and how its being umpired and know that it was unlikely they would make that call as high contact imho and not gamble they might.
Saying all that I have just read Henry has been charged with striking Zac Williams which I presume was the same incident so the MRO has deemed the contact severe enough and should have been a free kick to our man ....more to play out in this saga and you were justified in calling for the AFL to adjudicate on the decision.
I didn't give him a vote, but plenty impressed with Boyd, gets better every week.
Made a few mistakes that burned some opportunities, but fixed most of them, his relentless 2nd efforts are A-Grade, others need to watch his intensity.
X 2 regards his improvement.
I said as much in the game thread.
That's the thing though
Pittonet and Tom 'are' very different ruckmen.
And both would be well within the best 22 at the moment.
Would you drop Pittonet or Tom to add 'one of' Cincotta, Binns, Durdin, Owies, Carroll, Cowan, either Hollands etc etc.
Right now, i'd drop Young for Cincotta. Give Kemp the lockdown role and allow Cincotta to cover the intercept role, which adds more run.
When the game starts getting wetter, you'd think about dropping one more tall. We'll wait and see who is out of form at the time.
The decision is made easier right now because we don't have Silvagni available, or any other option for 3rd tall.
There was never any doubt about their 'styles of ruck' or that they compliment eachother. The issue was they they were both doing not very much around the ground.....at all.
TDK was lacking in ruck area, and performing worse than Silvagni as a forward......but better than Pittonet as a non-ruck option.
Pittonet was performing better in the ruck, but not doing enough around the ground.
BOTH of them are not only performing better around the ground, but both are being genuine options around the ground and up forward.
Pittonet kicked a goal first game back. TDK kicked 3 last week, and 0.3 this week. I showed stats on pittonets ruck AND around the ground work and how it was the same or better than both rucks combined....and even 2 mids combined in clearances.
That kind of form from both of them was nowhere to be seen last year. THAT is what has changed......and thankfully its changed when the cupboard is very bare behind them.
However,
Once we start getting players back, if you want to play both rucks in your 22, you are leaving out someone like Kennedy, Cottrell, Hollands (x2), Williams.....etc.
You cant be on 800k a year and turn the ball over like he did vs good teams like Geelong. As was pointed out by "Pinot"his efforts or lack of led to 3-4 goals being scored by Geelong and the attacking value he gives isnt worth his lack of defensive prowess. His disposal is way overrated imho and I wouldnt have him in my best 22 and he is very fortunate we are down on troops with injury and he doesnt have much competition for his spot.
Stengle at 175cm/73kg outbodied Zac 183cm/84kg in the goal square for an easy mark and goal which was just garbage defense from our man imo...its very hard to hold your place in the backline as an attacking only player and your skillset and decision making has to be at the Nick Daicos level to get away with it and Zac is nowhere near that high bar.
I hear you brother, I agree completely. Drafting him in the first place was a mistake (IMO), promised him a gig in the midfield which failed miserably. His deficiencies in defence get masked somewhat by the likes of Saad, Gov and even Doc when he played there. Right now, we have a defender shortage and he has to do a defensive job, he failed miserably on the weekend.
Watched it a few times on video and there appears to be high contact of sorts but ZW also appears to have exaggerated the force of the contact and the umpires ignored it due to the extra mayo he applied.
It probably should have been a free but you cant expect to get those all the time either and he should have played through the contact and not let Geelong(Henry) have a zero contest situation.
The umpires were terrible overall imo and let play go especially holding the ball/man situations and you just have to be able to read the game and how its being umpired and know that it was unlikely they would make that call as high contact imho and not gamble they might.
Saying all that I have just read Henry has been charged with striking Zac Williams which I presume was the same incident so the MRO has deemed the contact severe enough and should have been a free kick to our man ....more to play out in this saga and you were justified in calling for the AFL to adjudicate on the decision.
We need to start striking blokes softly off the ball. The fines are worth it if you can get a few goals out of it.
We need to start striking blokes softly off the ball. The fines are worth it if you can get a few goals out of it.
Knowing our luck there would be a crackdown and one of our blokes would be made an example of and get a long holiday...interesting the Henry hit has been deemed low impact , intentional and body contact yet Zac was holding his head?
Watched the replay. Sure we missed way too many opportunities against a good team to have any chance of winning and yes there were some dubious decisions/non-decisions that conspired against us, but at the end of the day we are better than this team and to be truly taken seriously as a contender we have to start winning these games.
If Saad was fit I'd give Williams a rest. His 1st half yesterday was putrid.
McGovern for Young is a no-brainer
Motlop in can replace either of Durdin or Owies who are just not giving us enough. Hell I'd even give Boyd a crack as a small forward ahead of those two.
Ollie Hollands is not doing a lot at the moment. Gee we need Jack Martin back ASAP
There's a lot of blokes who can improve our side and I hope at some stage this year we get them back.
Midfield, Key forward are elite.
Need some players in the back and Martin is either fit or call an early retirement so we can find a player in mid season draft and we need to find a smart small forward.
Elijah Hollands is improving with every game but his brother has been VFL grade at best.
We actually played into geelongs tactics.
They rebound, we see a half back leave his man to pressure the ball carrier. Separation about 40 metres, so in effect the "presssure" is non existant and then its a short kixck to a team mate whos now free.
This hekps teams go coast to coast a lot against us, and i think that players need to pick their moments better on when to stay on their man or leave to pressure the ball carrier.
A long kick to a contest or making them run it, is more desirable. Leave your man later when you can get back or theyve run into trouble.
Watched the Video. Geelong are a good team that played very well. Their best player played very well. They have very few injuries. We butchered the ball in defence and going forward and we missed too many easy goals while they kicked just about everything. After quarter time they broke even in the middle and they were cleaner all day with the ball. They tackled hard and bullied our younger players, but not unfairly. They are well organized, disciplined and know how to win. We didn't give up. In the end we could have won.
While our injuries are a major concern and has destabilized our back line, we make too many mistakes. I think defensively we are getting drawn to the ball but not impacting on the contest and when the ball spills to the opposition they have players free out the back which leads to easy goals against us. We either need to impact the contest or have players structured back to prevent these out breaks.
The umpiring was appalling. They made wrong decisions that led to Geelong having extra chances which they often took. I think Williams got hit in the eye which is why he went down and whether he went down a bit easy or not, it was another free kick to us the umpires missed which resulted in a goal. I note the Match Review Committee found the incident warranted a fine for the Geelong player. Maybe the Fox commentators might admit they may have got it wrong, but I don't expect it.
I watched On The Water Front the other day. Carlton has to decide whether they want to be contenders or not. We need to get tougher in our heads. Too many missed opportunities. We need to get better.
Right now, i'd drop Young for Cincotta. Give Kemp the lockdown role and allow Cincotta to cover the intercept role, which adds more run.
When the game starts getting wetter, you'd think about dropping one more tall. We'll wait and see who is out of form at the time.
The decision is made easier right now because we don't have Silvagni available, or any other option for 3rd tall.
There was never any doubt about their 'styles of ruck' or that they compliment eachother. The issue was they they were both doing not very much around the ground.....at all.
TDK was lacking in ruck area, and performing worse than Silvagni as a forward......but better than Pittonet as a non-ruck option.
Pittonet was performing better in the ruck, but not doing enough around the ground.
BOTH of them are not only performing better around the ground, but both are being genuine options around the ground and up forward.
Pittonet kicked a goal first game back. TDK kicked 3 last week, and 0.3 this week. I showed stats on pittonets ruck AND around the ground work and how it was the same or better than both rucks combined....and even 2 mids combined in clearances.
That kind of form from both of them was nowhere to be seen last year. THAT is what has changed......and thankfully its changed when the cupboard is very bare behind them.
However,
Once we start getting players back, if you want to play both rucks in your 22, you are leaving out someone like Kennedy, Cottrell, Hollands (x2), Williams.....etc.
That would be sad (the bit in bold) but maybe necessary…because right now both Rucks offer more than most (if not all) of those mentioned in terms of game influence. The other thing is that it assumes all those players are in form and uninjured. If we only need to lose one to play the two rucks it probably won’t be an issue.
The important thing is both our Ruckman continue to stay healthy and maintain a degree of form. They will no doubt have a poor game here or there, but it would probably need to be a patch of multiple poor games before one loses their spot. DeKoning is still improving, and time together can only develop the combination and understanding with Pittonet
Wet weather during winter may be an issue and it may be a time when the one ruck option is looked at. But it won’t rain all winter, and games at Marvel are a ‘non-issue’ as will be most of the interstate games.
There’s a bit of a contradiction in your post. A lot of it is about the ‘future’(when it rains, when players return from injury) and what might happen, yet the judgements made on the two-ruck situation were made in the ‘present of 2023’ when there were aspects of both players not up to scratch, and both struggled a bit with injury at stages during the season.
Judging in the present is also one of the issues with statistics. They are a measure of the past, (even last weekend’s statistics). A string of good games by a player and those early season statistics can alter dramatically.
We don’t know what will happen in the games to come and a whole lot of variables will come into play. The team we’re playing at ‘present’ may be completely different to the side that takes the field at the end of the year. We may get players back… and/or (perish the thought) we may lose important players. There’s not a lot of point predicting a line-up with a full side to choose from, because that’s a pretty unlikely scenario.
If we do have a full side to choose from, they might as well just give us the cup.
Once we start getting players back, if you want to play both rucks in your 22, you are leaving out someone like Kennedy, Cottrell, Hollands (x2), Williams.....etc.
The above assertion is just an extension of the media trying to peg Voss on a fixed selection strategy, nobody should be gifted a spot, the MC should not take a formulaic approach. the real world is not like Supercoach.
Week to week MC selections should be based on merit, conditions and the strategy of the day. I hope our MC will be clever enough to analyse and pick the eyes out of the best strategies for each opponent, some weeks we might go tall, some weeks we might go small.
Every week the opposition will try to leverage our deficiencies, if we are predictable it becomes easier for them, like last weekend kicking it on the head of Charlie or BigH who were stuck between 2 or 3 defenders.
The positive is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics, half the side out and lost by just 13pts.
The negative is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics and if that doesn't improve then getting blokes back won't help as it should. Pressure rating spent much of the day in the 160s, only going over 200 when we were a few goals behind.
Last week was similar until mid-way through the 3rd qtr where every changed once we were 20pts down. Pressure rating went from the 150s straight to 240 and stayed there changing the game. Maybe we thought we could get away with it again and didn't.
I followed the pressure ratings the last 2 weeks and it rose massively once we fell behind. Once we raised it both GWS and Geelong had issues with it. Yesterday, not long enough.
Thinking after that presser from Voss that defensively we will be way better next week. Won't be 118 to 105 again.
Been thinking that the last 3 weeks the opposition is scoring very easily against us on transition Listening to Sunday pre game and they were talking about our Defensive transition I think and came up with the following stats.
Adelaide: 25 scoring shots from 49 entries.
GWS: 27 scoring shots from 51 entries.
Geelong: 28 scoring shots from 45 entries.
Better than 50% from each team.
That will not stand up in finals.
Good thing is it is something that can be fixed and worked on during the season.
Yet I wouldn't say the defensive problems are a function of our defence.
I'd assert, many of the shortfalls come from the other end of the ground or perhaps the midfield. It's possibly being masked by some players having good tackling or 1%er stats, but the counts can be misleading, it's far more important to know where and when they collect those stats.
For example, how many times did a Tuohy or Guthrie type find themselves unattended just outside of goal range, and Cameron for that matter? How many times was Cameron unattended exiting our F50, the escape kick, then became a target a kick or two later inside our D50? There is next to nothing the defence can do about that, the problem starts further up the field and it's not about body type or size, it's about evening up the numbers and closing down space.
Many times the Handbaggers were actually forced by our defence to pause entering our D50, and yet they still ended up with a loose player as a target inside F50, that player comes from somewhere in the overlap created outside of the arc.
Yet I wouldn't say the defensive problems are a function of our defence.
I'd assert, many of the shortfalls come from the other end of the ground or perhaps the midfield. It's possibly being masked by some players having good tackling or 1%er stats, but the counts can be misleading, it's far more important to know where and when they collect those stats.
For example, how many times did a Tuohy or Guthrie type find themselves unattended just outside of goal range, and Cameron for that matter? How many times was Cameron unattended exiting our F50, the escape kick, then became a target a kick or two later inside our D50? There is next to nothing the defence can do about that, the problem starts further up the field and it's not about body type or size, it's about evening up the numbers and closing down space.
Many times the Handbaggers were actually forced by our defence to pause entering our D50, and yet they still ended up with a loose player as a target inside F50, that player comes from somewhere in the overlap created outside of the arc.
Sometimes perfectly executed passes make it look like the defenders arent doing their job. Geel on Sat reminded me of the the Hawks during their premiership years with all those deadly left footers hitting targets in traffic at will.
I wondered whether the Fox commentators would admit they got it wrong on the Williams incident after the MRO handed out a fine but I didn't think so. They have now doubled down and called for his dropping. Do these people ever wonder why no one actually like them.
I wondered whether the Fox commentators would admit they got it wrong on the Williams incident after the MRO handed out a fine but I didn't think so. They have now doubled down and called for his dropping. Do these people ever wonder why no one actually like them.
He was terrible. Defence wins premierships and he can't defend. With Saad and McGovern we can afford to have him there for his rebound but not now.
Ironically we played better when he went off against the Giants.
What happened to Williams has always been a free, his flopping is a symptom of the Handbaggers being allowed to scrag and delay players way off the ball. Even if he wasn't scraged it's unlikely he would have got half way to the opponent before they scored, it's the absence of the free that changed the game not Williams ability to get near the fall of the ball.
The discussion about Williams is a smokescreen to stop the focus on an illegal Handbagger tactics, nothing more and nothing less.
I wouldn't be dropping Williams this week.
(Although it might be high on Voss's agenda.)
He's come in for some severe criticism so the onus is on him now to prove his mettle.
It's a character test for him, and he has the talent to rise to it...it's whether he has the attitude and will.
He's come in for some severe criticism so the onus is on him now to prove his mettle.
It's a character test for him, and he has the talent to rise to it...it's whether he has the attitude and will.
@Lods Fans carry on a bit, they bang on about it was just an arm across the body, no force, etc., etc..
But from an AFL perspective that delay from somewhat trivial contact costs you 2 or 3 steps, and 2 or 3 steps of an AFL player on the move is 6 or 7 metres, you'll never close the gap unless you are chasing a dullard like Riewoldt.
In NRL, they look for shoulder to shoulder, if a player is detained illegally it's a professional foul with either a send off, a penalty try or sometimes both! The AFL need to look at this as part of the score review chain, to stop those two bullcrap incidents enacted by Handbagger players.
I don't care if it's in the fall of the ball zone, I want to see the contest in that zone, but this sh1zen happening 20m or 30m away from the footy is a joke. Scott's learned that his blokes can get away with if it's far enough off the ball, and it delivers them a field wide overlap.
Perhaps a few players need to hand out a Barry Hall solution to scraging, reminds me of the good old days when Yarran dropped the pest Chapman! The media jumped on Yarran, but Yarran copped his whack, they said nothing about Chapman's poking, pinching, ankle kicking tactics behind play.
The above assertion is just an extension of the media trying to peg Voss on a fixed selection strategy, nobody should be gifted a spot, the MC should not take a formulaic approach. the real world is not like Supercoach.
Week to week MC selections should be based on merit, conditions and the strategy of the day. I hope our MC will be clever enough to analyse and pick the eyes out of the best strategies for each opponent, some weeks we might go tall, some weeks we might go small.
Every week the opposition will try to leverage our deficiencies, if we are predictable it becomes easier for them, like last weekend kicking it on the head of Charlie or BigH who were stuck between 2 or 3 defenders.
Call it what you want, but its simple facts. 30 into 23 doesn't go and someone has to make way.
The players i mentioned will be one of the ones who make way when we get players of the calibre of Saad, McGovern, Cerra.....even Fogarty, Martin, Cuningham, Motlop.....not to mention Docherty, Silvagni next year as well.
@LP The lack of a free for Williams and his response was only one aspect of criticism...not really important in the scheme of things.
I was talking more about the criticism centred around his defensive game and errors.
That's of greater concern than whether he staged for a free or not.
That's what he has to redeem in the eyes of some.
There’s a bit of a contradiction in your post. A lot of it is about the ‘future’(when it rains, when players return from injury) and what might happen, yet the judgements made on the two-ruck situation were made in the ‘present of 2023’ when there were aspects of both players not up to scratch, and both struggled a bit with injury at stages during the season.
Judging in the present is also one of the issues with statistics. They are a measure of the past, (even last weekend’s statistics). A string of good games by a player and those early season statistics can alter dramatically.
We don’t know what will happen in the games to come and a whole lot of variables will come into play. The team we’re playing at ‘present’ may be completely different to the side that takes the field at the end of the year. We may get players back… and/or (perish the thought) we may lose important players. There’s not a lot of point predicting a line-up with a full side to choose from, because that’s a pretty unlikely scenario.
If we do have a full side to choose from, they might as well just give us the cup.
If you have access to a crystal ball that allows us to predict anything other than the now, then let me know. ;)
Otherwise, we can only use previous trends and statistics to give our best guess on what will happen.
For the record i was being a bit broad with my 'full side' comments. I was more referring to a normal injury list of a handful of people.....rather than the umpteen we have now.
If you have access to a crystal ball that allows us to predict anything other than the now, then let me know. ;)
Otherwise, we can only use previous trends and statistics to give our best guess on what will happen.
For the record i was being a bit broad with my 'full side' comments. I was more referring to a normal injury list of a handful of people.....rather than the umpteen we have now.
The problem is that being so adamant that a current trend is the basis for future outcomes is just illogical.
It may work out as predicted, it may not.
The game we follow is so fluid, so unpredictable, that the guy we criticise today is sometimes the champion of tomorrow.
We see it often when the first half of a player's season is compared to the second half.
In that respect things like statistics can be a 'brake' on our thinking.
We adopt a position based on stats and form at the time and refuse to move until it becomes so obvious that maybe things weren't so clear cut.
I have no idea what's going to happen, especially with the ruck situation.
Injuries, loss of form and other variables make it impossible to predict.
But I do keep an open mind, and try not to make definitive predictions.
If you do that with AFL you're probably going to be wrong as often as you're right.
He was terrible. Defence wins premierships and he can't defend. With Saad and McGovern we can afford to have him there for his rebound but not now.
Ironically we played better when he went off against the Giants.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/blues-star-accused-of-staging-as-cats-gun-fined/ar-AA1nPWpr?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=5eae28a9074d4f18e7dfd0319178ceee&ei=29
David King wants Williams dropped, not hard enough, poor decision making, being beaten too easily in contests by smaller bodied players ie Stengle and wants coach Voss to validate his call for better defense by making an example of Williams and dropping him to the VFL...not banishing but making a statement. He suggested Binns as a replacement but Im not seeing Binns as a defender at this stage.
David King wants Williams dropped, not hard enough, poor decision making, being beaten too easily in contests by smaller bodied players ie Stengle and wants coach Voss to validate his call for better defense by making an example of Williams and dropping him to the VFL...not banishing but making a statement. He suggested Binns as a replacement but Im not seeing Binns as a defender at this stage.
Not a good time (player availability wise) to try and make an example of someone....especially given our month of games.
I reckon Vossy definitely would've highlighted what Williams did wrong, but done so behind closed doors. I doubt we'll see another one of them in a hurry.
David King wants Williams dropped, not hard enough, poor decision making, being beaten too easily in contests by smaller bodied players ie Stengle and wants coach Voss to validate his call for better defense by making an example of Williams and dropping him to the VFL...not banishing but making a statement. He suggested Binns as a replacement but Im not seeing Binns as a defender at this stage.
Browny was even more scathing than King.
Let's be sure we ignore that against GWS Williams was subbed out for a knock on his achilles. That might have affected his performance. But King and the rest don't want to admit they made a mistake. Just as the AFL won't admit a mistake on the McKay 50 meters. He stood up and checked out his sore leg, he didn't stand the mark.
Browny was even more scathing than King.
Not wrong...its a fair spray...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2021-zac-williams-one-of-the-laziest-footballers-says-jonathan-brown-contract-trade/news-story/da774d0f30b45bde60c5ffa312645c6d
Whatever you think of the Williams 'incident', one way or another the AFL got it wrong.
There was no free kick paid at the time......so either it deserved a free kick or it didn't.
If it deserved a free kick, it didn't get one, so it was wrong. Umpires were wrong.
If it DIDN'T deserve a free kick, then how can Henry be fined for it? Tribunal are wrong.
Take it whichever way you like, but there is no scenario where everyone was right, so someone was wrong.
Not wrong...its a fair spray...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2021-zac-williams-one-of-the-laziest-footballers-says-jonathan-brown-contract-trade/news-story/da774d0f30b45bde60c5ffa312645c6d
Thats from 3 years ago yeah.
Not a good time (player availability wise) to try and make an example of someone....especially given our month of games.
I reckon Vossy definitely would've highlighted what Williams did wrong, but done so behind closed doors. I doubt we'll see another one of them in a hurry.
Id replace him with Cincotta.....
Thats from 3 years ago yeah.
My point being has he improved?
My point being has he improved?
He was injured for most of that and is playing under a different coach with different expectations. He is still getting a game over someone like Cincotta who seems to do the team things, but perhaps lacks the pure ability and skill that Williams has.
Maybe if Saad, McGovern and Docherty were playing now, he wouldn't be.
He was borderling best 22 at the start of the year, and is borderline best 22 now. I don't think he has been terrible, but i think he can certainly improve. He is not alone there though.
I think his dive was good timing (career wise) even though it was terrible timing (game wise).
It gives Vossy the ability to lay down the law and get that sorta thing stamped out from Williams' game, but everyone else on the list too. With plenty of time to get it out of our system come finals time, when there is no room for that sorta thing.
He made a mistake. He's allowed one.
Whatever you think of the Williams 'incident', one way or another the AFL got it wrong.
There was no free kick paid at the time......so either it deserved a free kick or it didn't.
If it deserved a free kick, it didn't get one, so it was wrong. Umpires were wrong.
If it DIDN'T deserve a free kick, then how can Henry be fined for it? Tribunal are wrong.
Take it whichever way you like, but there is no scenario where everyone was right, so someone was wrong.
Was going to post something similiar, if the incident was worth a fine then it had to be worth a free kick.
This was just one of a handful of really crappy decisions we copped from the umpires that cost us dearly.
Just in case you thought that 50m penalty against Harry & Crippa made no sense, get a load of this for an explanation :
https://www.afl.com.au/video/1119499/footy-feed-extra-kane-on-stand-rule-ball-movement-extra-time-texts?videoId=1119499&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1714368368001&tagNames=AppNewsFeed:Yes
It's the vibe !!!!
Just in case you thought that 50m penalty against Harry & Crippa made no sense, get a load of this for an explanation :
https://www.afl.com.au/video/1119499/footy-feed-extra-kane-on-stand-rule-ball-movement-extra-time-texts?videoId=1119499&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1714368368001&tagNames=AppNewsFeed:Yes
It's the vibe !!!!
Clear as mud.
Common sense.....that was not used.
Just in case you thought that 50m penalty against Harry & Crippa made no sense, get a load of this for an explanation :
https://www.afl.com.au/video/1119499/footy-feed-extra-kane-on-stand-rule-ball-movement-extra-time-texts?videoId=1119499&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1714368368001&tagNames=AppNewsFeed:Yes
It's the vibe !!!!
Voss or Cook need to respond to that.
How about Cincotta into the backline and Zac goes half forward?
Been thinking that the last 3 weeks the opposition is scoring very easily against us on transition Listening to Sunday pre game and they were talking about our Defensive transition I think and came up with the following stats.
Adelaide: 25 scoring shots from 49 entries.
GWS: 27 scoring shots from 51 entries.
Geelong: 28 scoring shots from 45 entries.
Better than 50% from each team.
That will not stand up in finals.
Good thing is it is something that can be fixed and worked on during the season.
When we get our pressure rating over 200 no-one in the competition can touch us. Every aspect suddenly becomes strong including defensively. Problem is though we let it drop right back too often and too easily. Can't do 200 all game, 240 against GWS when we crushed them in the 10 min period, but we must keep it consistently in the 180s, not 150s. That's about switching on mentally.
2nd half of the year, when we start to peak, we should see more of that pressure.
How about Cincotta into the backline and Zac goes half forward?
Sounds like a plan we have so many players that are a liability at this moment and he is one huge culprit. He's only switched on when he feels like it. Must be laughing at us taking $4m over six years...another two years to go with Zac this is turning into a nightmare - we are paying him too much to play VFL. We are stuck with him...
Voss or Cook need to respond to that.
Why hasn't Cincotta been playing in the 2s?
Must play this week. Example needs to be made...three weeks of poor defending is two weeks too many.
Not wrong...its a fair spray...
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2021-zac-williams-one-of-the-laziest-footballers-says-jonathan-brown-contract-trade/news-story/da774d0f30b45bde60c5ffa312645c6d
I dont enjoy potting our players but he was very ordinary. Lets see how he responds.
How about Cincotta into the backline and Zac goes half forward?
Agree on Cincotta, thought ZW might go ok on the wing vs a very out of form Sidebottom, maybe the coach could challenge him with N.Daicos who plays off half back to shut him down..
I'd be tempted to play Zac Williams on a wing, rather than Ollie Hollands. Ollie is struggling and needs to time in the VFL to regain form and confidence.
Cincotta can play tight, he can even play midfield, which I didn't expect to see. he has real depth on his kicks as well.
I'd be tempted to play Zac Williams on a wing, rather than Ollie Hollands. Ollie is struggling and needs to time in the VFL to regain form and confidence.
Cincotta can play tight, he can even play midfield, which I didn't expect to see. he has real depth on his kicks as well.
Im a little concerned with Ollie Hollands lack of development. Not sure whether he is star struck and head got too big but been underwhelming. Ginbey, McVee, Wilmot and many others are hitting some PBs but Ollie has stagnated and even gone backwards.
Needs to regain touch and confidence.
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Zac Williams was subbed out last week, and possibly wasn’t cherry ripe for this game. Leaving aside significant personal issues and time out with injury, he should be given a chance to prove himself. Everyone plays a bad game at some point.
Im a little concerned with Ollie Hollands lack of development. Not sure whether he is star struck and head got too big but been underwhelming. Ginbey, McVee, Wilmot and many others are hitting some PBs but Ollie has stagnated and even gone backwards.
Needs to regain touch and confidence.
(https://i.imgur.com/QDBsGX8.jpeg)
Second year blues or potentially just shouldering a much bigger load than last year.
Maybe we should change his number back....
Personally, i think these things are just a function of opposition knowing more about him and matching up accordingly.
Zac Williams was subbed out last week, and possibly wasn’t cherry ripe for this game. Leaving aside significant personal issues and time out with injury, he should be given a chance to prove himself. Everyone plays a bad game at some point.
I’ve missed you Paul 🙂
The pile-on that Zac is experiencing probably won’t help 😡
He may not be at his best but he’s not far off and his class and ability show out. All of our defenders are under extra pressure with the absence of Saad and McGovern but I’m more than happy to back them in. Vossy and Sammy will make changes if necessary and Zac may need to freshen up or tweak his role. Either way, he’s a vital cog in our defensive structure.
I’ve missed you Paul 🙂
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Thanks. :-[
Our major problem at the moment is that Lewis Young has no confidence in his ability.......and the backline players themselves (Weltering, Newman, Williams Boyd, Kemp) have no confidence in him either after having the likes of McGovern, Saad, Docherty down back who they could rely on.
Bring in McGovern for Young and see the difference.
Second year blues or potentially just shouldering a much bigger load than last year.
Maybe we should change his number back....
Personally, i think these things are just a function of opposition knowing more about him and matching up accordingly.
It’s probably also a function of playing a more defensive role.
I suspect that Ollie is meeting the indicators set for him and is contributing to team indicators.
There’s a limit to the number of possessions a team can have. When you have players like Walsh, Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy racking up possessions, it follows that other players get fewer possessions and adopt more of a support role.
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The pile-on that Zac is experiencing probably won’t help 😡
He may not be at his best but he’s not far off and his class and ability show out. All of our defenders are under extra pressure with the absence of Saad and McGovern but I’m more than happy to back them in. Vossy and Sammy will make changes if necessary and Zac may need to freshen up or tweak his role. Either way, he’s a vital cog in our defensive structure.
14, 9 ,0 and 7 games in 3 and a bit seasons.
He's had no continuity in his game, and one could reasonably surmise that the ill fated attempt to turn him into a full time / mostly full time mid would have also knocked him off his trajectory.
Our major problem at the moment is that Lewis Young has no confidence in his ability.......and the backline players themselves (Weltering, Newman, Williams Boyd, Kemp) have no confidence in him either after having the likes of McGovern, Saad, Docherty down back who they could rely on.
Bring in McGovern for Young and see the difference.
I don’t see that at all. Young’s contested possessions and spoils are comparable with Weitering’s and Kemp’s and his teammates don’t hesitate to give him the ball if he’s the best option.
He was the victim of some good blocks by the Geelong forwards, some poor umpiring decisions and poor play by his teammates up the field, but his game was more than adequate.
So the press has jumped on us now in regards to our poor defensive efforts in the last 4 weeks. Only North have given up more points in this time. Good article in The Age today no point posting link as you won't be able to access it unless you're a subscriber.
I agree we have been poor but it is not that easy to fix. It's not just about the back 6, although losing Saad and McGovern certainly hasn't helped. When teams like Geelong and GWS slice through us from defence to there forward line, it is about our whole teams defensive efforts. And as I have been saying for a long time our lack of leg speed makes it hard to stop. We need players that can go with them when it gets turned over and we don't have many.
I don’t see that at all. Young’s contested possessions and spoils are comparable with Weitering’s and Kemp’s and his teammates don’t hesitate to give him the ball if he’s the best option.
He was the victim of some good blocks by the Geelong forwards, some poor umpiring decisions and poor play by his teammates up the field, but his game was more than adequate.
We differ in opinion👍
I'd say the defensive issues are mostly personnel related. We were 4th in points against last season. With 16 injuries including Fogarty, Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Martin, Cerra etc. we are struggling. Those are big outs. The "next man up" mantra only takes you so far, eventually you reach a tipping point where the b graders and top ups cannot do the job required over 4 quarters, week in week out. I was expecting those injuries to have a greater impact than they have, although the dam wall may burst later if we don't get those guys back
Our defence issues are directly related to our inefficient forward line. We should have outscored Geelong on Saturday but gave up five goals to their rebounds from defence.
More goals per forward 50 entries and more defensive pressure inside our forward 50 and our defence will be fine.
Yes, we’re missing Saady and Gov but Fog’s absence is probably more significant.
Our defence issues are directly related to our inefficient forward line.
Agreed, it's not the entire problem but it's a large contributing factor.
If you are going to frequently turn it over in F50 and keep missing gettable shots eventually the defence breaks down at the other end of the ground, simply because they are continually under pressure while the opposition are gaining confidence.
Wasted opportunities build pressure and destroy confidence all over the ground.
Hurt the Handbaggers on the scoreboard, and they are the ones feeling the heat going the other way.
Voss or Cook need to respond to that.
100% correct, her explanation is woeful.
Just in case you thought that 50m penalty against Harry & Crippa made no sense, get a load of this for an explanation :
https://www.afl.com.au/video/1119499/footy-feed-extra-kane-on-stand-rule-ball-movement-extra-time-texts?videoId=1119499&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1714368368001&tagNames=AppNewsFeed:Yes
It's the vibe !!!!
Laura Kane might be very good at her job but she has no idea when it comes to explaining umpiring decisions. She should delegate that part of her role to someone who understands footy.
As for the 50m penalty, Crippa was the closest player to where the mark was taken and Harry was a couple of metres away. The umpire should have told Crippa to stand and Harry to move away.
Then there's the Henry mark. Forgetting about the blatant push in the back that took Young out of the contest, the goal umpire's call was a behind. The review footage provided a good view of the goal post but absolutely no vision of the ball and Henry. The outcome had to be "umpire's call".
Just in case you thought that 50m penalty against Harry & Crippa made no sense, get a load of this for an explanation :
https://www.afl.com.au/video/1119499/footy-feed-extra-kane-on-stand-rule-ball-movement-extra-time-texts?videoId=1119499&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1714368368001&tagNames=AppNewsFeed:Yes
It's the vibe !!!!
She talks about common sense, how about the umpire use some and think to himself: Hang on minute, Cripps is standing the mark but it should be Harry "Hey Harry, come back and stand on the mark please, Patrick clear off please". The umpire in that instance has to have the awareness that unintentionally, the wrong player is standing the mark and if he is so adamant to correct it, then farken correct it. Dont penalise the guy after he looks, sees his team mate standing then leaves to get out of the zone. Alternatively, let it slide and play on. Imbeciles (umpire, Football Boss and interviewer, not a brain between them).
That answer by Laura Kane was horrific.
You could clearly see that Cripps was closest to the contest and Harry wasn’t actually involved where the player ended up.
Umpire error 100%
She talks about common sense, how about the umpire use some and think to himself: Hang on minute, Cripps is standing the mark but it should be Harry "Hey Harry, come back and stand on the mark please, Patrick clear off please". The umpire in that instance has to have the awareness that unintentionally, the wrong player is standing the mark and if he is so adamant to correct it, then farken correct it. Dont penalise the guy after he looks, sees his team mate standing then leaves to get out of the zone. Alternatively, let it slide and play on. Imbeciles (umpire, Football Boss and interviewer, not a brain between them).
The real common-sense aspect is really, who cares who stands the mark. Surely that's up to the players themselves. As long it is someone. It's surely not that hard.
What stood out for me was Cripps jumper being pulled at most stoppages, he got a few and they missed a few more.
i reckon a lot of teams roll the dice with this. hold the playmaker at every opportuinity - they arent going to call it every time. so, you hold him at 100 stopages, and they pay 2 free kicks. pretty good result
i reckon a lot of teams roll the dice with this. hold the playmaker at every opportuinity - they arent going to call it every time. so, you hold him at 100 stopages, and they pay 2 free kicks. pretty good result
What I've always stated is that it's the when and where that is more important than the count.
Sometimes they call it when you've got a clear break and kill your momentum, sometimes you get it on the HBF or Wing where it makes stuff all difference, then all of a sudden someone gets the odd one in front of goal which can be game changing.
I do like the NRL system, which as part of it's score review looks at infringements through the whole chain of play / possession to the score, start taking goals off teams who infringe in the chain of play and you'll see it greatly diminish. They wouldn't need to do it for everything, just when a goal is actually scored. Like that push in the back to Young last weekend.