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Poll
Question: Which Party will receive your first preference vote at this Federal election?
Option 1: ALP votes: 12
Option 2: LNP votes: 6
Option 3: Greens votes: 0
Option 4: One Nation votes: 2
Option 5: Other Official Party (Palmer, Hinch, Katter, Bernardi etc) votes: 3
Option 6: Independent votes: 2
Title: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Lods on May 17, 2019, 09:17:02 am
We've held off for long enough...
As long as possible.
So here's the definitive 'token' poll that will predict the outcome of tomorrow's election.

The passing of Bob Hawke introduces an interesting element to the election.

No need for folks to comment to keep it scrolling around...I'll just bump the thread until tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: capcom on May 17, 2019, 10:12:05 am
I thought this was a football forum.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: laj on May 17, 2019, 10:29:24 am
Got the Coalition at $26 to win 20 or more seats in Qld with a saver at $21 to win 19 seats. They have 21 seats currently there. If they can't get 19 they'll get their @rses handed to them.

Backed Labor at $4 to win 76-80 seats.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Baggers on May 17, 2019, 10:50:11 am
I wonder, just looking at the 2 leaders in question, if ever we've had such a poor choice?
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Mantis on May 17, 2019, 11:41:09 am
Is this election a case of dumb or dumber?
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Thryleon on May 17, 2019, 11:42:32 am
Is this election a case of dumb or dumber?

Its sad.

I actually have no idea what policies I am voting for because their campaigns and budget talk have received less media presence than Clive Palmers UAP party.

I can tell you what hes unhappy about, but I cant tell you what he is going to do to change any of it.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Lods on May 17, 2019, 12:08:41 pm
I thought this was a football forum.

Not this section of it
This is the general chat section and we discuss all sorts of things in here.
Music, TV, Movies, Politics
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 17, 2019, 12:09:10 pm
I wonder, just looking at the 2 leaders in question, if ever we've had such a poor choice?

Agree...its slim pickings with ScoMo looking after his top end mates and the Bill we cant afford......then you look at the alternatives....nutters...and more nutters....
Shorten will win but the senate will be packed with nutters...
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Mantis on May 17, 2019, 12:16:14 pm
Clive Palmer. Nothing good can come from him. Do I want him to influence how budgets are used for the good of myself and every Australian? No way.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/15/clive-palmer-gag-clause-qn-workers-told-to-make-no-disparaging-comments-if-they-want-entitlements
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: capcom on May 17, 2019, 12:22:47 pm
Not this section of it
This is the general chat section and we discuss all sorts of things in here.
Music, TV, Movies, Politics

For the same (to me, very obvious reason) I wouldn't go near religion as a topic, neither will I touch this. 
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 17, 2019, 12:24:19 pm
Clive Palmer. Nothing good can come from him. Do I want him to influence how budgets are used for the good of myself and every Australian? No way.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/15/clive-palmer-gag-clause-qn-workers-told-to-make-no-disparaging-comments-if-they-want-entitlements

His mass advertising with his robotic candidates is woeful..
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: PaulP on May 17, 2019, 12:27:53 pm
The best thing about Labor are Penny Wong and Tanya Plibersek.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: LP on May 17, 2019, 12:55:02 pm
His mass advertising with his robotic candidates is woeful..
Yet it's highly likely to succeed, he doesn't give a rats-ar5e about deeper thinkers, he targeting the lowest common denominators.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Lods on May 17, 2019, 01:03:30 pm
For the same (to me, very obvious reason) I wouldn't go near religion as a topic, neither will I touch this.

That's fair enough.
It's why we divide the forum up like we do.
There are lots of topics in this section that folks don't have a lot of interest or are topics they don't wish to comment on.

All the topics still go around on the scrolling bar though.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: LP on May 17, 2019, 01:07:02 pm
That's fair enough.
It's why we divide the forum up like we do.
There are lots of topics in this section that folks don't have a lot of interest or are topics they don't wish to comment on.

All the topics still go around on the scrolling thread though.

I think this forum is healthy, the spread of threads are no different to some of the conversations we'd have in the stands while watching a match, getting a beer at half time, or after the game in a bar or on a train!
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on May 17, 2019, 01:30:46 pm
The Liberals are hopeless - self indulgent hypocrites imo.

They sliced and diced both their best chances at winning an election - Bishop and Turnbull - because they were outsiders (with brains).


But Big Bad Bill Shorten? An all but certain winner.

God help this country....and I'm not religious   :o
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: dodge on May 17, 2019, 07:26:07 pm
Difficult choices.  Please give us some centrist policies and a vision that will unite a country and lead us to a a society that is cohesive.

The current Gov are full of hatred and meanness,  which divides.  The main alternative has question marks over him, however has a stronger team.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: kruddler on May 17, 2019, 08:14:42 pm
Difficult choices.  Please give us some centrist policies and a vision that will unite a country and lead us to a a society that is cohesive.

The current Gov are full of hatred and meanness,  which divides.  The main alternative has question marks over him, however has a stronger team.

Its a team game after all.

Personal opinions of the figurehead, whichever figurehead you lean too, shouldn't cloud your judgement on who to vote for.....or against.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on May 17, 2019, 08:44:34 pm
Difficult choices.  Please give us some centrist policies and a vision that will unite a country and lead us to a a society that is cohesive.

The current Gov are full of hatred and meanness,  which divides.  The main alternative has question marks over him, however has a stronger team.

Libs have been overrun by religious zealots....you'd think they would be the antithesis of hatred and meanness, but alas...
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Baggers on May 18, 2019, 11:15:56 am
The best thing about Labor are Penny Wong and Tanya Plibersek.

See, we can agree on some things! I also think Albanese is okay.

There were three cats from the LNP who I didn't mind (2 women and a bloke) but they've all resigned!
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Baggers on May 18, 2019, 11:18:39 am
Libs have been overrun by religious zealots....you'd think they would be the antithesis of hatred and meanness, but alas...

Aint that the truth.

But maybe they'e Old Testament zealots which means, basically, if you're not of my faith, not a male, not white, not hetero sexual, not sober and don't vote LNP then you'll burn in hell for an eternity.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: laj on May 18, 2019, 01:22:54 pm
Voted for the only one with any policy so that ruled out Morrison's mob.

Want Morrison's mob though to get 19+ seats in Qld though. Got $26 on Ladbrokes. Seeing they have 21 now if they don't get 19 there they get their @rse handed to them on a platter....and I lose money.

Did have money on Labor to get 76-80 seats.

ladbrokes odd:

Labor, with Hugh Bowman on board, Winx odds of $1.08
LNP are the "Happy Clapper's" now paying $8.00
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Mantis on May 18, 2019, 01:50:10 pm
Voted for the only one with any policy so that ruled out Morrison's mob.

Want Morrison's mob though to get 19+ seats in Qld though. Got $26 on Ladbrokes. Seeing they have 21 now if they don't get 19 there they get their @rse handed to them on a platter....and I lose money.

Did have money on Labor to get 76-80 seats.

ladbrokes odd:

Labor, with Hugh Bowman on board, Winx odds of $1.08
LNP are the "Happy Clapper's" now paying $8.00

Giving this election too much processed thought there buddy.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: laj on May 18, 2019, 03:50:55 pm
Giving this election too much processed thought there buddy.

Just looking for a cheap buck...lol.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 18, 2019, 04:28:24 pm
The Liberals are hopeless - self indulgent hypocrites imo.

They sliced and diced both their best chances at winning an election - Bishop and Turnbull - because they were outsiders (with brains).


But Big Bad Bill Shorten? An all but certain winner.

God help this country....and I'm not religious   :o
God help those with investment properties, discretionary trusts or an inheritance. Get rid of the them all and go on the dole, Bill will look after you then.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: laj on May 18, 2019, 04:37:47 pm
God help those with investment properties, discretionary trusts or an inheritance. Get rid of the them all and go on the dole, Bill will look after you then.

Don't pay tax no franking credits, sounds fair enough. Not as if they are struggling. If they were they be getting a pension, then the policy wouldn't affect them. We are the only country that uses that system. Going back to the system used by Keating and country's overseas. Brought in by howard as a vote buying exercise. 400bn that goes to the top end of town that can be used for those who need it, for services, the debt the Liberals doubled and increase the surplus, needed with global economic headwinds coming. This has been a highly incompetent Govt.

As you know there's no Death Tax.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 18, 2019, 05:18:07 pm
Don't pay tax no franking credits, sounds fair enough. Not as if they are struggling. If they were they be getting a pension, then the policy wouldn't affect them. We are the only country that uses that system. Going back to the system used by Keating and country's overseas. Brought in by howard as a vote buying exercise. 400bn that goes to the top end of town that can be used for those who need it, for services, the debt the Liberals doubled and increase the surplus, needed with global economic headwinds coming. This has been a highly incompetent Govt.

As you know there's no Death Tax.

The franking credits proposal is dumb legislation that will favour wealthy dividend investors who will still claim all those credits on their tax return.
It will really only affect those low income retirees on less than 37k who most or part will end up qualifying for the pension or part of and thus becoming another welfare burden.
Its should be means tested...IMO it wont get through the senate, the other problem will be some of those low income investors moving their money into other asset classes and maybe'into offshore investments and the supposed savings Labor have budgeted for wont happen.

If Labour were serious they would have means tested the concept and let the little blokes at the bottom on 37k keep their franking credits and stay off the pension and
make the top end of town unable to claim those credits as tax deductions but that wont happen as pollies from both sides have massive portfolios to protect.

The other bizarre concept is that govts want to phase out pensions and have all folk retiring on super yet want to deny those with self managed funds those franking credits.

Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: DJC on May 18, 2019, 06:45:44 pm
Franking credits is a crazy idea.  Why on earth would any government give taxpayers’ hard earned money to folk who don’t pay tax?

And I’m a self-funded retiree  :)

We all want better roads, health services, education, etc but no-one wants to pay more tax.  Stopping rorts like franking credits and negative gearing and making everyone pay their fare share of tax will provide the necessary funds.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 18, 2019, 07:05:38 pm
Franking credits is a crazy idea.  Why on earth would any government give taxpayers’ hard earned money to folk who don’t pay tax?

And I’m a self-funded retiree  :)

We all want better roads, health services, education, etc but no-one wants to pay more tax.  Stopping rorts like franking credits and negative gearing and making everyone pay their fare share of tax will provide the necessary funds.

Dont disagree but the big end of town get to keep theirs and the little self funded retiree gets whacked and pushed onto the pension, the big end of town will also move money into areas like REIT's that
have to pay 90% of profits by law to shareholders which include those credits and are usually higher dividend equities.
Its not going to bring the savings that Labor are saying it will...

Negative gearing changes will only make the govt richer and new landlords who will stick up rents to make up the lost money....poor renter will pay the price..
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Mantis on May 18, 2019, 09:38:13 pm
Looking at this election results trend is making me laugh. All I have been listening to experts in the media for the past week, has been a comfortable victory by the Labour Party and Bill Shorten being our next Prime Minister. These experts need to check their medications. If this is an election they couldn’t lose, then fail big time. Big time. By experts and by a party that couldn’t sell policies the general public were willing to buy into.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Woodstock on May 18, 2019, 09:49:35 pm
Looking at this election results trend is making me laugh. All I have been listening to experts in the media for the past week, has been a comfortable victory by the Labour Party and Bill Shorten being our next Prime Minister. These experts need to check their medications. If this is an election they couldn’t lose, then fail big time. Big time. By experts and by a party that couldn’t sell policies the general public were willing to buy into.

Too true. Bill won’t be leader for very long and Tanya will be Labor Leader. All those polls, both internal and external that got it wrong...it’s like the US Election. Amazing stuff. Let’s hope Labor don’t play the US Democrat card and kick themselves in the ass by not learning from their mistakes. Actually coming to think of it, maybe Labor have done just that!!!!

I’m amazed at people’s short term memories of the Government’s ineptitude of doubling the deficit and screwing average workers...and Shorten’s inability over what...6 years?, to become PM. I think it says more about Bill than the Libs.

Anyway, here’s to 3 years of prosperity. Congrats to the Libs. Now get Governing. And keep it classy.

I wonder how old Malcolm is feeling this evening?
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Thryleon on May 18, 2019, 10:04:40 pm
I have to say, that this has been the worst election campaign I've ever seen.

I cant tell you a thing about their policies.

Nothing.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: bratblue on May 18, 2019, 10:30:13 pm
Their policies were to promise money everywhere without thought in a lot of cases. The home loan deposit gaurantee for instance. Shorten lost the unlosable election.
Does Labor need a rebuild or a new coach?
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: cookie2 on May 18, 2019, 10:32:49 pm
The decision to ditch Malcolm is looking like  a good one.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 18, 2019, 10:42:52 pm
I'm a traditional Labor voter but disagreed with some of the policies put forward by Labor and it wasnt hard to figure out that nitwit Clive Palmer and fellow Nutter Pauline would
hurt Labor especially up North. Liberals traditionally run a better campaign of scare mongering and their advertising is a lot more clever and they pick their targets.
Labor were forced to pull Bill Shortens image in Queensland and I think in WA too, such is the lack of respect for him. He is a poor media performer and doesnt really know the financially aspects of Labor policy well and is a poor salesman.

I'd expect Anthony Albanese to be the new opposition leader if the election is indeed lost, the Liberals will change policy tact too IMO and will look to change their spots
on climate change hopefully. Morrison is a bozo and three years of him and his mates is hard to cop but Labor only have themselves to blame.
Good seeing Abbott go as he has been a terrible member in parliment but that will only aid the Liberals long term.
The Senate will be full of real nutters like Palmer, Pauline, and newbies like Zali Steggall who is a closet Liberal....
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: cookie2 on May 18, 2019, 11:07:11 pm
@ EB1

EB, Shorten was Labour's biggest liability and I believe he is the major reason they will probably lose. I've yet to meet anyone who trusts him or has any time for him and so the prospect of him as PM was unthinkable for too many people.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 18, 2019, 11:12:03 pm
@ EB1

EB, Shorten was Labour's biggest liability and I believe he is the major reason they will probably lose. I've yet to meet anyone who trusts him or has any time for him and so the prospect of him as PM was unthinkable for too many people.

Cookie, Shorten reminds me of John Hewson who lost an election you couldnt lose with his GST and infamous cake example...
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: LP on May 18, 2019, 11:12:56 pm
Interesting, quite a few I've chatted to said if Abbott looked like staying they would have flipped and voted Labor. The minute it started looking bad for him they felt safe voting coalition, mostly because in Abbott's absence they feel less threatened by the hard right.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: cookie2 on May 18, 2019, 11:42:38 pm
Cookie, Shorten reminds me of John Hewson who lost an election you couldnt lose with his GST and infamous cake example...

Yes. I find with Shorten though that I just can't relate to him or believe anything he says because as a person he seems to be a confection with limited ability to be convincing - what you see is not really what you get. He always seems to be acting a part in a very ulterior way - sinister almost. Hewson was certainly bad at getting his points across and relating to people but I was more convinced that what you saw was at least real, even if if you didn't like what he was saying. Actually, I've heard him in the media a number of times in recent times and he has some interesting insights.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: kruddler on May 19, 2019, 07:21:50 am
I'm not one for politics but I watched part of the debate between scomo and Bill and I thought Bill flogged him. So all the anti bill comments about his media performances and can't be trusted I dont quite get.

I think the influence of Palmer and Pauline is what won the election for the libs....and that's a scary foreshadowing of us going down the US path.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Professer E on May 19, 2019, 07:38:24 am
I found this election especially problematic....   Who could you vote for...  Who seriously deserved it? They are all crap. 

Bit bewildered really,  don't see how the polling could be so wrong.   Three more years of this chaotic do nothing government.  Meanwhile our society rots, our economy withers and our environment deteriorates.

But what staggers me the most is how people could return Barnaby Joyce. What can't this bloke get away with?!?

Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: cookie2 on May 19, 2019, 07:40:15 am
I'm not one for politics but I watched part of the debate between scomo and Bill and I thought Bill flogged him. So all the anti bill comments about his media performances and can't be trusted I dont quite get.

I think the influence of Palmer and Pauline is what won the election for the libs....and that's a scary foreshadowing of us going down the US path.

The west generally seems to be swinging to the right. Just read that Marine Le Penn has overtaken Macron in polling in France. Just one example. We are witnessing a major global ideological battle.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Professer E on May 19, 2019, 08:02:50 am
Which doesn't auger well for a happy,  conflict free planet.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 19, 2019, 08:30:54 am
A lot of very sad lefties sooking it up big time on twitter. Dont you love how an election unites a nation ::)
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Thryleon on May 19, 2019, 09:27:42 am
It's just the global political climate really.

Right wing governments are getting up pretty much across the world because frankly people are worried about their national identity and erosion of values.

It's just the current state of play.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Professer E on May 19, 2019, 09:30:11 am
If they didn't win this time they never will,  and I can understand their pain looking at the cast of deadsh1ts that are going to be "managing" the country going forwards.....Freydenberg, Dutton,  Joyce and the fringe loonies like Pauline and Anning and the cane toad from Queensland chucking rocks from the sidelines.   The country is deadset fuc****ed.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on May 19, 2019, 09:56:36 am
Anning and Abbott are goneski  - be thankful for that Prof.

Shame Dutton got back. Big shame....
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Woodstock on May 19, 2019, 10:00:05 am
If they didn't win this time they never will,  and I can understand their pain looking at the cast of deadsh1ts that are going to be "managing" the country going forwards.....Freydenberg, Dutton,  Joyce and the fringe loonies like Pauline and Anning and the cane toad from Queensland chucking rocks from the sidelines.   The country is deadset fuc****ed.

Anning is gone, lost the Vote. Frydenburg is the only Lib who I actually like. Coherent, clever, classy fella, don’t mind him at all. The rest of them...meh.

This election was about Labor losing and Labor MPs voting the wrong guy in as Leader all those years ago. Albo and Plibersek will be going at it hammer and tongs, manning the phones and garnering votes. If they go too left wing or start virtue signalling incessantly and pointing fingers like Tanya just did on ABC Insiders blaming the Libs for losing, like the US Dems did after losing to Trump, then Morrison will win again.

At the end of the day however, it’s a bloody great Country and that won’t change over the next three or perhaps six years and, shockingly Liberal MPs also love this Country too. ;)
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Lods on May 19, 2019, 10:01:04 am
Spectacular fail for the election was the CSC poll ::) :D
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: kruddler on May 19, 2019, 10:13:30 am
Spectacular fail for the election was the CSC poll ::) :D

It wasn't limited to this poll.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Lods on May 19, 2019, 10:27:40 am
It wasn't limited to this poll.

But we were the best (worst) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: LP on May 19, 2019, 10:32:17 am
Spectacular fail for the election was the CSC poll ::) :D

One has to wonder if our poll and the election have a commonality, specifically relating to the locations of voters?

Labor got Adani wrong in Qld, and Climate Change wrong in NSW. Qld want the mine because they want the jobs, NSW wants cheap power and they don't give a rats-ar5e where it comes from as long as it is not their backyard. WA want more GST and they get it through tax cuts for big business.

Victoria and Tassie will be in for a hiding over the next three years, ScoMo won't forget, so you can expect those states to do it tough in massive federal funding battles! ;)

Another massive blunder Bill made, and his supporters, after going into warfare with News Ltd they still chose to believe the polls News Ltd published!

For the Greens and Left, it looks like addressing climate change comes down to a miracle! :o
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 19, 2019, 12:01:30 pm
If they didn't win this time they never will,  and I can understand their pain looking at the cast of deadsh1ts that are going to be "managing" the country going forwards.....Freydenberg, Dutton,  Joyce and the fringe loonies like Pauline and Anning and the cane toad from Queensland chucking rocks from the sidelines.   The country is deadset fuc****ed.

Be worse too if the Libs need senate help from the lunatic fringe...imagine what Palmer and Pauline will be asking for in return....
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 19, 2019, 12:13:54 pm
I'm not one for politics but I watched part of the debate between scomo and Bill and I thought Bill flogged him. So all the anti bill comments about his media performances and can't be trusted I dont quite get.

I think the influence of Palmer and Pauline is what won the election for the libs....and that's a scary foreshadowing of us going down the US path.

Agree on Palmer, Pauline and i'd also add the Greens....the latter have been taking votes off Labor and have really worked against them IMO.
If there were no Greens most of those votes would go to Labor. The other problem Labor have that Penny Wong alluded too was that Labor cannot buy a vote in rural/mining areas
and she said that Queensland was always going to be a tough ask even though the polls were saying different. Jobs were always going to win out over the environment and that even with a Labor State Govt they cant win those outer areas.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Lods on May 19, 2019, 12:54:53 pm
One has to wonder if our poll and the election have a commonality, specifically relating to the locations of voters?

I suspect you may be right...
We wont know, because it's an anonymous poll, but most of those who participated in our poll were probably Victorians, a state where Labor did best.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: LP on May 19, 2019, 12:59:29 pm
I suspect you may be right...
We wont know, because it's an anonymous poll, but most of those who participated in our poll were probably Victorians, a state where Labor did best.

It would be nice if it was possible to have two part Polling questions, like who and where?

More like a set of survey questions if you like!

I can imagine Polls like,

Q1; "Should Player A retire?" Yes or No

Q2; "If Yes which current player should replace them, B, C, D or E?"
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: PaulP on May 19, 2019, 01:05:32 pm
It's a depressing result, however you cut it.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Thryleon on May 19, 2019, 01:07:57 pm
It's a depressing result, however you cut it.

Why?  It makes no difference who's in charge anyway.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: PaulP on May 19, 2019, 01:29:37 pm
Why?  It makes no difference who's in charge anyway.

Their track record on issues I care about is dismal. Whilst I accept that Labor is not much better, and that the two parties are now like two shades of beige, I still prefer Dunmore Cream over Shelburne Buff.

One of the reasons I have mixed feelings about the Hawke / Keating era is that to me it represents the beginning of the end of genuine choice and genuine differences between Labor and Liberal. Whilst this is hardly unique to Australia, it is depressing nevertheless.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: LP on May 19, 2019, 02:05:39 pm
If the states were smarter they would float themselves on the stock exchange like a corporation, it would completely change politics and funding models and kill off nutters like Palmer having any real influence!

Keep it to Registered Voters that can buy and sell shares, and not just state residents but any Australian National / Resident. That gives me a say in what happens in my country at a much finer level than the Federal Election!
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: laj on May 19, 2019, 04:03:29 pm
While Labor pushed their case well enough their biggest issue was not prosecuting the LNP's case and tearing it to shreds as Morrison did to Labor. There was sooooo much Labor could've been negative about and scared voters with. Scare someone they don't forget. Hard negativity is so important in an election campaign. Doesn't sound good but you have to do it as much as you push your own policies.

With the economy front and centre I would smashed the Libs with the doubling of the debt as well as what the economy means to the individual, like flat wages, no money to spend, dipping into saving to survive, horrible low growth figures that caused a per capita recession, zero inflation, interest rates about to drop again, 700,000 unemployed more than in 2013, 1.1 million underemployed, more than 2013, with 2/3s of the jobs created going to those record 1.6 million here on work visas. If you pumped that day in, day out, like Morrison did to Labor on their policies, it would resonate. There was so much material. Then there was the chaos in the Party.

Labor's tactical team needs a good kick fair and square up the @rse.

Jim Chalmer's would be the person I would like as the new leader. Besides being popular he was the only one who was able to properly prosecute the LNP case clearly and concisely. Just not put out there anywhere near enough.
Title: Re: Federal Election 2019
Post by: Mantis on May 19, 2019, 04:46:52 pm
Iaj.

Bill set the tone as to what his result was going to be a couple of weeks ago. He walked the streets and tried to shake hands with working class guys wearing Fluor high vis tops. They turned their backs and walked away from him. This was something he thought little about and walked over to people wearing suits, etc to try the same with success. He was never a character the common working class could relate to as people did back in the days of Bob Hawke. Labour Party has lost the common middle and lower class people’s trust. Look at what they did within their own party in the past. Rudd/Gillard/Rudd. Sure the Libs have not been better since, but Rudd/Gillard trust loss will take years to forget. We find it difficult as humans to remember 3 or 4 great things people do, but we never forget one single mistake. This lack of trust within a party relates to trust with future policy promises. You can’t trust them is what people see. Labour couldn’t sell free food to the poor and under privileged in this campaign. The Libs would question whether the food was laced with poison. Plant the seed of doubt in people’s minds, and they dig into the memories of what they have seen in the past to confirm that doubt.

Sure the Libs don’t have a great track record but they looked the better of the two lost cases. I could run the next campaign with more success. Not a rocket scientist. Not super man. Just a genuine working class battler trying to make ends meet. Sell this to the public and everyone will want you to succeed. Hence giving you their vote. Look at Stali Zeggle. Every day ordinary chick who won our first Aussie winter Olympic medal. Down to earth every day common human. One of us majority voters. Working class. It’s not hard to sell. Just look as though you have done the hard yards to get to where you are now and don’t forget where you started from.

Bill failed to sell this as the damage was done by those before him. Many years of failing to appear to be on the side of the majority. Working class. That don’t trust easily and never forget the past. Vote for me in the next election. I will start a new party called “The right to scratch my balls or pussy party”. That is what we do when it itches. We scratch it. Not afraid to be seen doing what every day people do. Be genuine. Be human. Actually give a sh1t about people and they will follow you. They need to relate first. This takes years to happen. The Labour Party better start this today. With a little unknown every day person who has started from nothing and done the hard yards.

Look like an underdog out of their league. Striving for real policies. F@ck environmental issues. Real every day issues. What people struggle with everyday. The dollar in my pocket. How will you maximise this? Sell me a better lifestyle and you might just sell me a dream.