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Quote from: Lods – on February 06, 2026, 07:36:56 pm

I actually think that's a better idea.
Give him the two years now.
And emphasise the tranistional nature of this year....because I think even the most optimistic of us don't see us going deep into the finals.
Improving yes, but not dramtically.

If we do go really low on the ladder that extra year becomes a much harder sell at the end of the year.

The two problems I see are
- we're getting some really positive messages out of the club, rather than dampening expectaions they're raising them.
- have we already sounded someone out for 2027 and are keeping our powder dry to see what eventuates.
(the club isn't seen to be sacking a coach prior to contract end, but has someone lined up once Voss's contract finishes.)

He is contracted for 2026 already, i am suggesting adding 2027 now.

Are you suggesting adding in 2028 also??

Quote from: Lods – on February 06, 2026, 07:36:56 pm

I actually think that's a better idea.
Give him the two years now.
And emphasise the tranistional nature of this year....because I think even the most optimistic of us don't see us going deep into the finals.
Improving yes, but not dramtically.

If we do go really low on the ladder that extra year becomes a much harder sell at the end of the year.

The two problems I see are
- we're getting some really positive messages out of the club, rather than dampening expectaions they're raising them.
- have we already sounded someone out for 2027 and are keeping our powder dry to see what eventuates.
(the club isn't seen to be sacking a coach prior to contract end, but has someone lined up once Voss's contract finishes.)

He is contracted for 2026 already, i am suggesting adding 2027 now.

Are you suggesting adding in 2028 also??

Quote from: kruddler – on February 06, 2026, 07:24:36 pm

You literally quoted me in a post where i said 'drop a couple' positions....so thats what i was responding too.

It doesn't matter.

Giving him a 1 year deal if we finish bottom 4 is not realistic.....in your eyes. I, and some others, will disagree.

If i was the one who was making the call, i'd come out and give him a year now and say that....
"Whilst we will not be a ceiling on this year, we are mindful of some big changes in the off-season. This year will be a year of transition and with a bit of luck, the transition will be completed before Round 1, but more than likely some further time will be required. We are not conceding anything, but we are also mindful that unrealistic expectations can lead to unneccesary knee jerk reactions. Its for this reason that we want Vossy to develop this team for sustained success and not have to worry about if he has a job each week"

Puts it all out there.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

I actually think that's a better idea.
Give him the two years now.
And emphasise the tranistional nature of this year....because I think even the most optimistic of us don't see us going deep into the finals.
Improving yes, but not dramtically.

If we do go really low on the ladder that extra year becomes a much harder sell at the end of the year.

The two problems I see are
- we're getting some really positive messages out of the club, rather than dampening expectaions they're raising them.
- have we already sounded someone out for 2027 and are keeping our powder dry to see what eventuates.
(the club isn't seen to be sacking a coach prior to contract end, but has someone lined up once Voss's contract finishes.)

Quote from: Lods – on February 06, 2026, 07:08:10 pm

No
You're the one changing the goal posts there.
I've been arguing all day based around MBB's prediction of a bottom 4 finish.

That's the basis of what I've written.
You've come late to the argument.

Giving him one year after a bottom 4 finish is not realistic.
Around 13 he may be a chance, but even then a slim one.

One thing we do agree on is that 2027 will be a year where we will be better, but we're bouncing from different starting points.
I have us a few places ahead of you this year.
And I expect Voss to be the coach.

You literally quoted me in a post where i said 'drop a couple' positions....so thats what i was responding too.

It doesn't matter.

Giving him a 1 year deal if we finish bottom 4 is not realistic.....in your eyes. I, and some others, will disagree.

If i was the one who was making the call, i'd come out and give him a year now and say that....
"Whilst we will not be a ceiling on this year, we are mindful of some big changes in the off-season. This year will be a year of transition and with a bit of luck, the transition will be completed before Round 1, but more than likely some further time will be required. We are not conceding anything, but we are also mindful that unrealistic expectations can lead to unneccesary knee jerk reactions. Its for this reason that we want Vossy to develop this team for sustained success and not have to worry about if he has a job each week"

Puts it all out there.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

Quote from: kruddler – on February 06, 2026, 06:25:28 pm

I'd just give him 1 year.

...and you're being a bit cheeky by saying bottom 4. I said drop a couple places, 13th is a couple places, 15th is bottom 4.

No
You're the one changing the goal posts there.
I've been arguing all day based around MBB's prediction of a bottom 4 finish.

That's the basis of what I've written.
You've come late to the argument.

Giving him one year after a bottom 4 finish is not realistic.
Around 13 he may be a chance, but even then a slim one.

One thing we do agree on is that 2027 will be a year where we will be better, but we're bouncing from different starting points.
I have us a few places ahead of you this year.
And I expect Voss to be the coach.

Quote from: Lods – on February 06, 2026, 06:01:04 pm

So what type of contract do you expect him to be offered if we finish bottom 4?
Don't forget, it's a new contract.

I expect us to do well and he will get a new contract.
Bottom 4 and he won't.

I'd just give him 1 year.

...and you're being a bit cheeky by saying bottom 4. I said drop a couple places, 13th is a couple places, 15th is bottom 4.

So what type of contract do you expect him to be offered if we finish bottom 4?
Don't forget, it's a new contract.

I expect us to do well and he will get a new contract.
Bottom 4 and he won't.

Quote from: kruddler – on February 06, 2026, 05:55:32 pm

If we kept him this year, there is no reason why we shouldn't keep him next year, even if we drop a couple places on the ladder.
Talent available last year > talent available this year......and spare me the 'output' of Curnow etc. excuse. This year it will be some other player that underperfoms.....there always is.

So what type of contract do you expect him to be offered if we finish bottom 4?
Don't forget, it's a new contract.

I expect us to do well and he will get a new contract.
Bottom 4 and he won't.