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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by LP -
There won't be much to come out of that umpire complaining, Hardwick's example was Charlie being spun in the tackle but the reality is Andrew didn't halt Charlie's movement or inhibit his disposal so the umpire is correct.

Despite an out of the box low free kick count there wasn't much obvious stuff missed, and I suspect the main complaint will be that all the subtle / borderline frees went GC's direction in the 1st half, but I didn't see any major clangers by the umpires for either side.

The problem as we all know it is that the umpiring is an interpretation that changes regularly, week to week month to month. Whether that is driven by the public, media or AFL opinion it doesn't matter. It's clearly not stable.

I'm against Hardwick's demand umpires blow the whistle sooner, he seems to think "We the public" want that as the default, which in effect encourages and rewards tacklers. But for me it's the exact opposite of what the general public want, we want the player hunting the ball rewarded, we do not want the sniper who sits off the contests and tackles rewarded.

Doc had some great stuff to say about umpiring on the Ben and Harry Podcast, he described how players are trained to compete around the queue based method umpires use to make decisions. But he said it's the one thing he would change if he could, he'd get rid of queue based umpiring.

Where does this concept of queue based decision making come from, it's probably a response to slow motion replays and broadcaster behaviour! It's interesting the media is pointing at the coaches today, and the media points at the umpires, and the media points at the AFL administration, but it's actually the media doing most of the driving.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by Thryleon -
Both coaches are going to ask for a please explain about the umpires from our game.  Hardwick seems to be aiming at holding the ball, what are our blokes going to be asking about?

I think largely the game was ok but lopsided for us.  We would get pinged for stuff gold coast got away with, amd then there was that ridiculous 50 metre penalty paid against Harry who was trying to get to the ball drop and ran into witts which stands out as frankly cheating, but other than the Suns got a few soft frees that we didn't and im on the fence about those.  Pay them both ways or don't pay them at all.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: Thryleon on
Mac Andrew pushed Charlie under the footy a few times no free kick.  Front on contact in a marking contest against us yes, for us....

Look the gc are afl sponsored but I was actually upset at the late square up.  I also thought at the time the way they umpire us might be best for the comp if they umpire everyone that way and that means no tiggy touchwood frees against us too, because I found myself thinking we've given away a few that weren't there and they've only missed a couple they should have paid unless you pay them against us.
I felt yesterday that the umps (ie the AFL) were definitely trying to get GC over the line. I'm not normally an umpire basher or conspiracy theorist but the umps were utterly appalling and blatantly one sided yesterday. I have never heard a crowd boo them like that, people in the crowd near me were incensed to al level I have never seen. As for Harwick, he should just should STFU unless he is coming out in support of how appalling the umps were towards us.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: Thryleon on
Where's arnie with the stats of how we go with one ruck vs how we go with 2. 

Unless you consider the quality of the opposition, our team in's and out's, the opposition in's and out's it's probably not worth the time and effort.

If you take those things on face value we just have to have Fogarty in the team and we're as good as over the line :D  :D
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 9 2024 Carlton vs Gold Coast at Carlton
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
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I'd like to see us doing better at this level but it's a bit difficult given the unbalanced nature of our list.  Hard for kids to develop when the side is getting flogged by 10 goals each week.  Kind of like the seniors five years ago.
Our VFL listed players are very average...eg you would think a player like Tom Philips would excel at this level but he has been ordinary.