This week's VFL game could have vital importance to our future.
I can't write that very often, but this round it could be true. Matthew Kreuzer COULD be playing.
I'm always of the opinion that the club needs to err on the side of caution with serious injuries. There have been few as significant as those of the big No 8 in recent times, especially as his preseason looked so promising. So this week could be a watershed moment.
From the sounds of things the lad wants to play and is only looking for the medical say so to take the field against St. Kilda 2nds (sometimes known as Sandringham). Considering the issues we have had with ruckmen, having a guy his stature could be a blessing.
Has he come back too early? That will not be known until after this weekend's game. But one way or the other it is an important moment in our season.
This week's VFL game could have vital importance to our future.
I can't write that very often, but this round it could be true. Matthew Kreuzer COULD be playing.
I'm always of the opinion that the club needs to err on the side of caution with serious injuries. There have been few as significant as those of the big No 8 in recent times, especially as his preseason looked so promising. So this week could be a watershed moment.
From the sounds of things the lad wants to play and is only looking for the medical say so to take the field against St. Kilda 2nds (sometimes known as Sandringham). Considering the issues we have had with ruckmen, having a guy his stature could be a blessing.
Has he come back too early? That will not be known until after this weekend's game. But one way or the other it is an important moment in our season.
A doc on another site said with the injury Krooz has you just don't know.
Could be right as rain, but they won't know until he starts running.
I think they've been very cautious.
Hopefully cautious enough. if we can actually get a few games out of him, that would be very good.
re: Nick Holman,, was told he is being used as a run with tagger so his own numbers will probably be down but
he played on James Magner last week and the NB's brains trust were very happy with his work...
I hope the kids progresses as he got thrown to the wolves in his first couple of games, bullied by opponents and had to fend for himself given how weak our senior players are...
Sandringham vs. Northern Blues
Sunday, May 03
Trevor Barker Beach Oval 2.00pm
Sandringham
B Shakallis Lee Simpkin
HB Shenton Goddard Webster
C Acres Jones Saunders
HF Templeton Brown McCartin
F Dennis-Lane Hickey Schneider
R Pierce Cook Cockie
Int Ong Weickhardt Wright White Hooy* Curren Minchington Zijai Saad Murdoch Holmes Le Grice
Northern Blues
B: Smith Fields McGuinness
HB: Wilkinson Watson Dick
C: Russell Walsh Tutt
HF: Viojo Foster Johnson
F: Menzel Casboult Wilson
R: Warnock Holman Graham
Int: Perry* Murray Bransgrove Gowers Johnston Strachan Bolger Dirago Cattapan
Cattapan will play. he was one of the better players last week. Menzel can't be 100 % or he'd probably be in the seniors.
Sandringham vs. Northern Blues
Sunday, May 03
Trevor Barker Beach Oval at 11am
Sandringham
B Williams Plostins Daidone
HB Coates Le Grice Noone
C McTaggart Murdoch Brown
HF Baker-Thomas Hayes Harris
F Widdowson Kreymborg Barnhoorn
R Huntington Maitland Verma
Int Payne Woodman Cameron
Davis Neiwand Ong
Haidon Gilbert Roos
Hodges Waterman Persson
Northern Blues
B Johnston Dirago Yelland
HB M. Gleeson Coulson Gowers
C Stevens Tardio Strachan
HF Armitage Walton McDonagh
F Soncin Conlon Murray
R Bolger Ballard Cattapan
Int: Asani McDonald Kinsella Aujla J. Roberts Kur Haynes Dawson K. Roberts Aurrichio Langwell
Sandringham vs. Northern Blues
Sunday, May 03
Trevor Barker Beach Oval 2.00pm
Sandringham
B Shakallis Lee Simpkin
HB Shenton Goddard Webster
C Acres Jones Saunders
HF Templeton Brown McCartin
F Dennis-Lane Hickey Schneider
R Pierce Cook Cockie
Int Ong Weickhardt Wright White Hooy* Curren Minchington Zijai Saad Murdoch Holmes Le Grice
Northern Blues
B: Smith Fields McGuinness
HB: Wilkinson Watson Dick
C: Russell Walsh Tutt
HF: Viojo Foster Johnson
F: Menzel Casboult Wilson
R: Warnock Holman Graham
Int: Perry* Murray Bransgrove Gowers Johnston Strachan Bolger Dirago Cattapan
Cattapan will play. he was one of the better players last week. Menzel can't be 100 % or he'd probably be in the seniors.
Yes, it will be very interesting to see if Menzel takes the field. For me, he needs to learn to impose himself on the game over the full duration. When in the contest, what he does is simply brilliant... but he needs to do it more often!
Interesting to see that Watson - pushed by some as the next great hope in the seniors - is named to play at CHB. He hasn't exactly set the world on fire in that role.
No Kruezer??
Interesting to see that Watson - pushed by some as the next great hope in the seniors - is named to play at CHB. He hasn't exactly set the world on fire in that role.
Most frustrating thing about this football club is the fact that after 4-5 years in the system Watto still hasn't had a decent run at it.
Most frustrating thing about this football club is the fact that after 4-5 years in the system Watto still hasn't had a decent run at it.
Hasn't had carrots or hasn't deserved ?
BIG DIFFERENCE...
Next week for Kreuzer?
Hasn't had carrots or hasn't deserved ?
BIG DIFFERENCE...
Over these 4-5 years on the list, i can't remember too many times where i've thought, geez, i wish we had've picked Watson.
Says it all really.
Most frustrating thing about this football club is the fact that after 4-5 years in the system Watto still hasn't had a decent run at it.
Still not a decent runner
Still not a decent runner
Truly frightening that, after all this time. However, I guess we shall see if the NB's have the skill to find him even standing still.
Truly frightening that, after all this time. However, I guess we shall see if the NB's have the skill to find him even standing still.
Crash, is Kreuz lining up today?
Still not a decent runner
Zing ;D
Still not a decent runner
But has CLEARLY shown he is up to senior football.
But has CLEARLY shown he is up to senior football.
Lets put it this way, he isn't and hasn't done any worse than the others we have tried up until now!
Spot on LP. And then you have Nick Graham as well. Another on Mick's wrong side for whatever reason.
Lets put it this way, he isn't and hasn't done any worse than the others we have tried up until now!
While I agree in part, he has never strung a series of games together in the seconds whereby he DEMANDED a place in the seniors, either as a backman or as a forward.
He has played some serviceable games in the seniors, but he has never destroyed an opponent in his time at this club... Sadly he's not the only one either...
Crash, is Kreuz lining up today?
Doesn't look that way. It appears the MC decided to give him another week to get ready.
Scores at half time:
Northern Blues: 6 - 6 - 42
Sandringham: 6 - 3 - 39
GOALS: Menzel, Viojo-Rainbow, Wilson, Graham, Watson, Bransgrove.
Looking for guys to promote and neither Watson nor Menzel have set the world on fire. More needed.
DISPOSALS: Strachan 14, Holman 12, Graham 11, Watson 11, McGuinness 11
Maybe I'm doing Watson a disservice. 11 possessions is good for him. Casboult?
Scores at half time:
Northern Blues: 6 - 6 - 42
Sandringham: 6 - 3 - 39
GOALS: Menzel, Viojo-Rainbow, Wilson, Graham, Watson, Bransgrove.
Looking for guys to promote and neither Watson nor Menzel have set the world on fire. More needed.
DISPOSALS: Strachan 14, Holman 12, Graham 11, Watson 11, McGuinness 11
Maybe I'm doing Watson a disservice. 11 possessions is good for him. Casboult?
Obviously Watson's workrate is good. That's a plus. Just gave off a goal in the 3rd qtr too.
Depends what they play Casboult as. If he's plays as a ruck then you won't see him feature heavily on the scoreboard. Mick picks him as a 2nd ruck them drops him because he's not hitting the scoreboard. Don't worry about him taking marks around the ground and getting touches. Seems we want him to ruck and kick 2-3 a game. If he did that he'd be up with the best players in the comp. Sometimes we expect too much.
Leading 64-58, Menzel just got his 2nd.
70-59. Walsh goaled after apparently some amazing work by Rainbow.
70-59. Walsh goaled after apparently some amazing work by Rainbow.
So sayeth Twitter. Hopefully it is on the highlights reel. I want to see it!
Doesn't look that way. It appears the MC decided to give him another week to get ready.
Thanks mate, maybe just as well.
ZEBS 61 NB 76
A big quarter by the Blues from the sounds of things. Just near 3/4 time.
Love the service gents, not on twitter, so please keep it up. ;D
Love the service gents, not on twitter, so please keep it up. ;D
Don't need to be on twitter. Just have to follow the twitter link.
https://twitter.com/nbluesfc
3/4 time and the Blues are 15 points in front. So far we have had some heartbreaks, but we are looking promising this time around.
Northern Blues: 11 - 10 - 76
Sandringham: 9 - 7 - 61
GOALS: Johnson 2, Menzel 2, Walsh 2, Watson, Bransgrove, Viojo-Rainbow, Wilson, Graham.
Watson and Casboult sharing the rucks and doing OK.
DISPOSALS: McGuinness 20, Strachan 19, Graham 17, Fields 16, Holman 16
Holman was quiet that quarter, but the ball seemed to be in forward line for much of the quarter. McGuinness and Fields, on the other hand, appeared to have a picnic.
Don't need to be on twitter. Just have to follow the twitter link.
https://twitter.com/nbluesfc
THanks mate ;D
Menzel off: he's played his required time. He had only 8 possessions, but kicked 2 goals. It would be safe to say that he won't be ready for next week.
Menzel off: he's played his required time. He had only 8 possessions, but kicked 2 goals. It would be safe to say that he won't be ready for next week.
Wonder why. Not as if he's coming back from a long layoff due to a bad injury.
Menzel off: he's played his required time. He had only 8 possessions, but kicked 2 goals. It would be safe to say that he won't be ready for next week.
That's an old fashioned losing culture!
How can we expect these players to tough it out at AFL level if we give them an armchair ride at VFL level?
There goes the lead!
Our partnership with Preston isn't raising them up, we are dragging them down!
Back in front 90-85. 22 min in.
96-88, 28 min in. Graham his 3rd.
Close!
Sandy's caught the Carlton disease and gone on a point kicking fest...lol.
96-90, 31 min
Close!
1 goal the difference, but the siren has gone. The baby Blues claim a win!
Northern Blues: 14 - 12 - 96
Sandringham: 12 - 18 - 90
We almost stuffed it up in the last, but Sandy caught our kicking disease. ;D ;D ;D
Don't know about the talent in the team, but there does appear to be some spirit at the moment.
Nick Graham kicked 3 goals and must have done his chances of getting a game next week a good deal of good.
GOALS: Graham 3, Johnson 2, Menzel 2, Walsh 2, Holman, Bransgrove, Wilson, Viojo-Rainbow, Watson
DISPOSALS: McGuinness 25, Fields 23, Strachan 23, Graham 22, Walsh 20, Holman 19
If Casboult and Menzel cant dominate in the 2nds there really is no hope.
2015 AFL Victoria Development League
Sandringham 6.3 9.7 12.12 16.14 (110)
Northern Blues 2.2 6.6 12.7 15.11 (101)
GOALS:
Sandringham: McTaggart 3 Hayes 2 Harris 2 Davis 2 Neiwand 2 Williams Brown Verma Woodman Roos
Northern Blues: Dirago 4 Stevens 4 Haynes 2 Murray 2 Asani Walton McDonagh
BEST:
Sandringham: Davis Verma Ong Barnhoorn Roos Brown
Northern Blues: Ballard Stevens Roberts Dirago Armitage Aurrichio
Pretty close. A win coming soon. Aurrichio had an impression.
If Casboult and Menzel cant dominate in the 2nds there really is no hope.
Menzel was underdone and went off well before the end. He needs another couple of weeks to get his fitness and form back. If he is only kicking 2 goals and getting 8 possessions in 3 weeks, then he is trouble.
Casboult was rucking with Watson. He didn't get huge stats, but he could have played well enough. Certainly Watson got reasonable stats in the first half, just not near goal.
But you are right: if these guys are going to be recalled, then they should be pounding opponents in the VFL.
I reckon that Levi has had his spirit crushed. He reminds me in ONE way of Percy Jones. Jones was a hopeless footballer when playing in the seconds, but put him in the firsts and he came out of his shell.
Levi does play with spirit in the Firsts, his issue, as we all know is his kicking.
But, no one can tell me, that he would not have been a better bet than Warnock on Friday night.
We are not going to make the 8, so persevere with him and let him play the year out in the firsts, and if he doesn't click or learn how to kick better, get rid of him.
If Casboult and Menzel cant dominate in the 2nds there really is no hope.
Not always right. Many do better when called up into the seniors. We know Menzel can play.
As for Casboult people expect him to be a ruckman and kick a pile of goals a game. If he did that he'd be one of the game's most valuable players. Won't happen. If he's a ruck don't expect a huge scoreboard contribution, although there would be some if he could kick straight. He does his job, decent 2nd ruck and takes marks around the ground. Ridiculous Mick picks him as a ruck then drops him for not scoring. That's the two KP forwards job. Solution...pick Warnock ::).
Spot on Jim... If the 2nd ruck kicks 1 goal a game you would be happy. Any more you would be ecstatic. Perhaps Levi was down in form, but bringing Warnock into the team as the late replacement was crazy. Levi gives us more around the ground than Warnock, is more chance of hitting the scoreboard, even with his dodgy kicking.
That selection call was up there with "3 Rucks" debacle.
I'd play Levi regardless, we can't play Wood and Warnock in the same team.
Be interesting to see whether we play Kreuzer/ Casboult or Kreuzer/Wood when that option becomes available - if it becomes available I should say.
The club lists our best players as: N. Graham , B. Johnson , K. McGuinness , N. Holman , B. Walsh , J. Johnston ...though from experience this is not always accurate!
If true, then you'd have to give Nick Graham a gig ahead of Slug Ellard.
I agree re Casboult having his spirit crushed. Works his butt off and has a cracking preseason, is super fit, and gets dropped for round 1 against the Tiges. Great message to send...not!
Look forward to the club rewarding Nicky Geaham for his BOG with a game next week. Will be starting as sub no doubt if he does get picked.
Hi, everyone. This is my first post, although I've been an avid reader for several years.
I went to this game hoping that I would see a few players who would play well enough to push for inclusion in the firsts. Unfortunately, it turned out to be more of the same old same old. We seem to have recruited many players over the years who are unable to rise above mediocrity.
The player who really impressed me was on the opposition side - Jason Holmes on their rookie list. He was recruited in October 2013 from the United States and is an ex-basketball player. According to the Record he is 203cm and weighs 99 kilos. In the game today he showed mobility, speed and athleticism that Casboult, Wood and Warnock can only dream about. In addition, he kicked and marked well.
Perhaps in future our recruiters could look across the Pacific as well as looking to Ireland.
Hi, everyone. This is my first post, although I've been an avid reader for several years.
I went to this game hoping that I would see a few players who would play well enough to push for inclusion in the firsts. Unfortunately, it turned out to be more of the same old same old. We seem to have recruited many players over the years who are unable to rise above mediocrity.
The player who really impressed me was on the opposition side - Jason Holmes on their rookie list. He was recruited in October 2013 from the United States and is an ex-basketball player. According to the Record he is 203cm and weighs 99 kilos. In the game today he showed mobility, speed and athleticism that Casboult, Wood and Warnock can only dream about. In addition, he kicked and marked well.
Perhaps in future our recruiters could look across the Pacific as well as looking to Ireland.
I think the club did send recruiters to the States in the last couple of months...
North have an American recruit too....
Hi, everyone. This is my first post, although I've been an avid reader for several years.
I went to this game hoping that I would see a few players who would play well enough to push for inclusion in the firsts. Unfortunately, it turned out to be more of the same old same old. We seem to have recruited many players over the years who are unable to rise above mediocrity.
The player who really impressed me was on the opposition side - Jason Holmes on their rookie list. He was recruited in October 2013 from the United States and is an ex-basketball player. According to the Record he is 203cm and weighs 99 kilos. In the game today he showed mobility, speed and athleticism that Casboult, Wood and Warnock can only dream about. In addition, he kicked and marked well.
Perhaps in future our recruiters could look across the Pacific as well as looking to Ireland.
Appreciate the contribution Macca - seems a reasonable comment to me.
Spot on Jim... If the 2nd ruck kicks 1 goal a game you would be happy. Any more you would be ecstatic. Perhaps Levi was down in form, but bringing Warnock into the team as the late replacement was crazy. Levi gives us more around the ground than Warnock, is more chance of hitting the scoreboard, even with his dodgy kicking.
That selection call was up there with "3 Rucks" debacle.
I'd play Levi regardless, we can't play Wood and Warnock in the same team.
x2....it was a dumb selection, Casboult is the future and Warnock should be confined to the NB's then moved on....
Spot on Jim... If the 2nd ruck kicks 1 goal a game you would be happy. Any more you would be ecstatic. Perhaps Levi was down in form, but bringing Warnock into the team as the late replacement was crazy. Levi gives us more around the ground than Warnock, is more chance of hitting the scoreboard, even with his dodgy kicking.
That selection call was up there with "3 Rucks" debacle.
I'd play Levi regardless, we can't play Wood and Warnock in the same team.
Wood was 2nd ruck Friday night, he kicked 2 goals! ;)
They can't play Levi, he is ripping the heart out of the side with every miss, soon Jones will follow suit and White might return or Foster could get a run.
Good point LP. Levi still a better option than Warnock on Friday night.
Wood was 2nd ruck Friday night, he kicked 2 goals! ;)
They can't play Levi, he is ripping the heart out of the side with every miss, soon Jones will follow suit and White might return or Foster could get a run.
Wood plus Warnock averages about 2 marks per game between them.
Casboult 6 or 7 on his own.
We play a game plan where at every opportunity we heave the ball long to a marking contest.
So you drop the ONLY player in your team who can take a pack mark and replace him with a 7 foot tall bloke who hasn't taken a mark since prohibition.
Does not make any sense.
Explain to me what Ellard is doing in the team. Slow, short, poor skill, barely touches the ball and.... did I mention slow?
Hi, everyone. This is my first post, although I've been an avid reader for several years.
I went to this game hoping that I would see a few players who would play well enough to push for inclusion in the firsts. Unfortunately, it turned out to be more of the same old same old. We seem to have recruited many players over the years who are unable to rise above mediocrity.
The player who really impressed me was on the opposition side - Jason Holmes on their rookie list. He was recruited in October 2013 from the United States and is an ex-basketball player. According to the Record he is 203cm and weighs 99 kilos. In the game today he showed mobility, speed and athleticism that Casboult, Wood and Warnock can only dream about. In addition, he kicked and marked well.
Perhaps in future our recruiters could look across the Pacific as well as looking to Ireland.
Thanks for your contribution Macca, always good to get a new perspective especially from someone prepared to go along to an NB game. 8)
I agree re Casboult having his spirit crushed. Works his butt off and has a cracking preseason, is super fit, and gets dropped for round 1 against the Tiges. Great message to send...not!
Look forward to the club rewarding Nicky Geaham for his BOG with a game next week. Will be starting as sub no doubt if he does get picked.
We have a dumb fark run club Carrots.
Brad Walsh...20 possies, 2 goals is a player I would be looking to promote as a small forward/rover.....goes hard does Walsh and does the team things.
Graham and Holman also appear to be maturing and should be looked at to be playing senior footy sooner than later.
Holman has been good in the past few games and can play a few roles...
Its time to be playing kids and working on who is going and who is staying for the future...
STATS FOR CARLTON-LISTED PLAYERS
Levi Casboult
Kicks: 5; Handballs: 6; Marks: 3; Tackles: 4; Goals: 0
Matthew Dick
Kicks: 11; Handballs: 4; Marks: 5; Tackles: 1; Goals: 0
Tom Fields
Kicks: 16; Handballs: 7; Marks: 5; Tackles: 3; Goals: 0
Jayden Foster
Kicks: 12; Handballs: 4; Marks: 6; Tackles: 0; Goals: 0
Billy Gowers
Kicks: 10; Handballs: 5; Marks: 4; Tackles: 2; Goals: 0
Nick Graham
Kicks: 17; Handballs: 5; Marks: 4; Tackles: 3; Goals: 3
Nick Holman
Kicks: 10; Handballs: 9; Marks: 4; Tackles: 5; Goals: 1
Blaine Johnson
Kicks: 12; Handballs: 5; Marks: 4; Tackles: 2; Goals: 2
Troy Menzel
Kicks: 6; Handballs: 2; Marks: 3; Tackles: 2; Goals: 2
Fraser Russell
Kicks: 2; Handballs: 0; Marks: 1; Tackles: 1; Goals: 0
Clem Smith
Kicks: 4; Handballs: 8; Marks: 0; Tackles: 3; Goals: 0
Jason Tutt
Kicks: 12; Handballs: 6; Marks: 6; Tackles: 0; Goals: 0
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Kicks: 4; Handballs: 4; Marks: 2; Tackles: 1; Goals: 1
Brad Walsh
Kicks: 12; Handballs: 8; Marks: 2; Tackles: 6; Goals: 2
Matthew Watson
Kicks: 8; Handballs: 6; Marks: 7; Tackles: 2; Goals: 1
Nothing to get exited about there!
Wood was 2nd ruck Friday night, he kicked 2 goals! ;)
They can't play Levi, he is ripping the heart out of the side with every miss, soon Jones will follow suit and White might return or Foster could get a run.
He did, but Casboult would be alot better prospect than Warnock as a 2nd ruck. Who would you prefer? The 2 key forwards are there to kick goals. Besides, Casboult takes more marks than both put together.
With Hendo with a hammy, Foster having a good game I'd bring in him in, if Hendo doesn't come up, with Watson and Casboult dropping Jones and Warnock. Be a good week to do it.
St Kilda's reserves...
Guys, we saw their seniors last week. They are crap, and our team had more afl talent in it than Sandringham.
There is nothing indicating that these guys will do well at afl level, but Graham has played well the last couple so should come up.
Frankly, I'd be playing anyone that had a crack in front of half our senior side.
Has this been mentioned already ? Apparently a hamstring issue with menz
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/vfl-wrap-menzel-suffers-setback-as-blues-claim-upset-win-over-sandringham-20150503-1myzhx.html
St Kilda's reserves...
Guys, we saw their seniors last week. They are crap, and our team had more afl talent in it than Sandringham.
There is nothing indicating that these guys will do well at afl level, but Graham has played well the last couple so should come up.
Frankly, I'd be playing anyone that had a crack in front of half our senior side.
That where you get elevated from, your reserves versus the opposition reserves. Using that theory no players in the VFL would ever get elevated. That's how near all VFL games are. St.Kilda's not exactly going to have Reiwoldt play for Sandringham.
2015 Peter Jackson VFL
Sandringham 4.1 6.3 9.7 12.18 (90)
Northern Blues 4.2 6.6 11.10 14.12 (96)
GOALS:
Sandringham: White 3 Brown 2 Zijai Saunders Saad Cook Minchington Holmes Dennis-Lane
Northern Blues: Graham 3 Walsh 2 Johnson 2 Menzel 2 Bransgrove Watson Wilson Viojo Holman
BEST:
Sandringham: Brown Minchington Wright Saad Holmes Lee
Northern Blues: Graham Johnson McGuinness Holman Walsh Johnston
No mention of Watson or Casboult. :(
Has this been mentioned already ? Apparently a hamstring issue with menz
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/vfl-wrap-menzel-suffers-setback-as-blues-claim-upset-win-over-sandringham-20150503-1myzhx.html
He might play in the VFL next week, but there is no way he'll get promoted. He needs to be fit.
Graham has to get the call up surely?
That where you get elevated from, your reserves versus the opposition reserves. Using that theory no players in the VFL would ever get elevated. That's how near all VFL games are. St.Kilda's not exactly going to have Reiwoldt play for Sandringham.
I think you misunderstood something.
St Kilda in particular would have weaker reserves.
Geelong or box hill on the other hand have strong teams, always have and bar something extraordinary occurring always will. Ditto Port Melbourne.
@EB
I am very excited about Walsh. Hard at it leader in the Nathan Jones mould. Couldn't build a side around him but someone who will put in week in week out.
Reckon Tom Fields is a good player as well.
I agree re Casboult having his spirit crushed. Works his butt off and has a cracking preseason, is super fit, and gets dropped for round 1 against the Tiges. Great message to send...not!
Excuse me for sounding a bit vague carrots... "Cracking preseason" how many goals does that equate to ?
I mean, just so I know for future reference.
Have an opinion bu all means... But spare us the fabrication to support your agenda.
St Kilda's reserves...
Guys, we saw their seniors last week. They are crap, and our team had more afl talent in it than Sandringham.
There is nothing indicating that these guys will do well at afl level, but Graham has played well the last couple so should come up.
Frankly, I'd be playing anyone that had a crack in front of half our senior side.
In fact, Sandringham is a highly rated team and it was quite an upset for the NBs to come away with a win.
As you say, anyone who had a crack in the VFL should be considered for to play against Brisbane.
Almighty hanger from NB player Kieran McGuinness way deep in defence. Clean hands, stood on a big fellas shoulders, you'd go a long way to see a better mark than that. If only we had a defenders who backed themselves like that.
Excuse me for sounding a bit vague carrots... "Cracking preseason" how many goals does that equate to ?
I mean, just so I know for future reference.
Have an opinion bu all means... But spare us the fabrication to support your agenda.
Cracking preseason in the sense that he was as fit as he'd ever been mate. Last time I checked thats what having a cracking preseason meant. Question my opinion by all means but at least make sure you know what you're talking about. Cheers.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-05-03/vfl-blues-hold-on-in-thriller
Sounds like it was very determined and gritty performance by the NBs which is great to read. A ray of hope in an otherwise dark week.
Even the club website is pumping up VFL results, really?
Even the club website is pumping up VFL results, really?
Ray gone, clouds back! :( ;)
I think you misunderstood something.
St Kilda in particular would have weaker reserves.
Geelong or box hill on the other hand have strong teams, always have and bar something extraordinary occurring always will. Ditto Port Melbourne.
Footscray won the VFL last year and their team was bottom 4. I think it all comes down to the stage of development your list is in. Sandringham will be better before Norther Blues are because they'll have a lot of talented kids coming through that St Kilda have recruited by stocking up on high draft picks. We'll have nothing because our recruitment is the new laughing stock of the AFL.
In fact, Sandringham is a highly rated team and it was quite an upset for the NBs to come away with a win.
As you say, anyone who had a crack in the VFL should be considered for to play against Brisbane.
Sure, if you wish, but last year they finished 9th, and currently they are sitting 12th (although its only 3 weeks in).
We narrowly won, and the AFL team are currently filled with most of their AFL listed talent.
Lets not get too excited.
@EB
I am very excited about Walsh. Hard at it leader in the Nathan Jones mould. Couldn't build a side around him but someone who will put in week in week out.
Reckon Tom Fields is a good player as well.
Yep Walsh is a real footballer....Cripps, Walsh are future leaders..
I dont mind Fields either, he is a 3rd tall defender in reality but being forced to play on KP players and will get goals kicked on him
but he uses the ball well and I think having it hard every week will make him a decent player...
Gowers isnt bad value either as a onballer.....
The Rookie list might be a saviour.....
Yep Walsh is a real footballer....Cripps, Walsh are future leaders..
I dont mind Fields either, he is a 3rd tall defender in reality but being forced to play on KP players and will get goals kicked on him
but he uses the ball well and I think having it hard every week will make him a decent player...
Gowers isnt bad value either as a onballer.....
The Rookie list might be a saviour.....
...again! (please don't use the 'S' word ;))
Excuse me for sounding a bit vague carrots... "Cracking preseason" how many goals does that equate to ?
I mean, just so I know for future reference.
Have an opinion bu all means... But spare us the fabrication to support your agenda.
I thought that was the job of the KP forwards to kick the goals, not the ruckman. We expect one of our ruckman to kick 2-3 a game. If they did that they'd be elite. This is the part many are not getting. He is doing a good job in the ruck, where he is selected.
I thought that was the job of the KP forwards to kick the goals, not the ruckman. We expect one of our ruckman to kick 2-3 a game. If they did that they'd be elite. This is the part many are not getting. He is doing a good job in the ruck, where he is selected.
Casboult is selected as a fwd/ruck and the team and coaches expect him to score as such.
You are correct that he is not expected to score 3-4+, 1 is good, 2 is great. I agree, his ruck work is ok.
My issue is with the claim of his "cracking preseason" I am still awaiting the information on exactly how many goals he kicked in his preseason...
My issue is with the claim of his "cracking preseason" I am still awaiting the information on exactly how many goals he kicked in his preseason...
It's all about numbers, time trials, weights, testing, aerobic capacity, recovery, etc., etc., Nothing to do with football!
Casboult is selected as a fwd/ruck and the team and coaches expect him to score as such.
You are correct that he is not expected to score 3-4+, 1 is good, 2 is great. I agree, his ruck work is ok.
My issue is with the claim of his "cracking preseason" I am still awaiting the information on exactly how many goals he kicked in his preseason...
His main job is to ruck, that job he has been doing well. One's doesn't drop him for not hitting the scoreboard if that's his job and doing it ok. Solution, play Warnock...lol!
His main job is to ruck, that job he has been doing well. One's doesn't drop him for not hitting the scoreboard if that's his job and doing it ok. Solution, play Warnock...lol!
I disagree, his main job is as a fwd, his secondary job is to relieve in the ruck.
Again, carrots claimed that he had "a cracking preseason" I asked how many goals he kicked in his "cracking preseason" seeing as the coach said that he wasn't picked originally because he wasn't contributing on the scoreboard... So it would seem that the coaches expect him to score...
I disagree, his main job is as a fwd, his secondary job is to relieve in the ruck.
Again, carrots claimed that he had "a cracking preseason" I asked how many goals he kicked in his "cracking preseason" seeing as the coach said that he wasn't picked originally because he wasn't contributing on the scoreboard... So it would seem that the coaches expect him to score...
Rucked all day on the weekend.
I thought I read that he and Watson shared ruck duties ?
Besides I was referring to his role in the seniors.
NB is right. MM said that Meat hadn't been selected in the early games as his pre season game form was low. Before that he was talked up as one of our 3 tall forwards - forward emphasis. Though, personally, he does look better as a ruckman which I believe is where he played most of his junior footy. But Kreuz, Wood and even 206 would be in front of Meat as a 1st ruck. The bloke is in no-man's land and is playing like it.
I disagree, his main job is as a fwd, his secondary job is to relieve in the ruck.
Again, carrots claimed that he had "a cracking preseason" I asked how many goals he kicked in his "cracking preseason" seeing as the coach said that he wasn't picked originally because he wasn't contributing on the scoreboard... So it would seem that the coaches expect him to score...
We pick 2 blokes to ruck, his primary job is to ruck. He doesn't get picked at FF and to pinch hit in the ruck like he once did. If we did then that'd be different. Jones and Henderson we pick to kick goals. It's not that hard to understand. He rucks and takes marks around the ground. That's his job and he's doing it ok. Since when does anyone but us pick a ruck to kick goals then drop him when he doesn't, even if he got 25 touches and 12 marks the previous two weeks. We pick ruckmen to ruck.
Mate, do you have his % for time spent fwd/ruck this year ?
If you can find them we may as well look at last year too...
Other than that I've seen him relieve in the ruck...
Again I agree that hendo and jones need to do more...
NB is right. MM said that Meat hadn't been selected in the early games as his pre season game form was low.
Interesting. Which of our forwards' preseason form was high?
It's all about numbers, time trials, weights, testing, aerobic capacity, recovery, etc., etc., Nothing to do with football!
Thank you!!
Mate, do you have his % for time spent fwd/ruck this year ?
If you can find them we may as well look at last year too...
Other than that I've seen him relieve in the ruck...
Again I agree that hendo and jones need to do more...
No, but I see plenty of marks around the ground so I'm thinking it's alot more than in the days he was a FF with the occasional ruck stint. These days he's picked as a genuine ruckman. Plays his best footy running around the ground taking marks, providing a target for defenders coming out of the defensive 50. Whether that changes when Kreuzer comes back I'm not sure. Kreuzer plays best when he's on the ball near all day.
I'd nearly rest him on the 50m line. No real problem kicking goals from out there...lol.
He is in fact a great target for the 'get out' kick from defensive 50m to the wing, the same kick we executed countless times to absolutely no one on Friday night.
Interesting. Which of our forwards' preseason form was high?
Not the issue. The discussion is about Meat's preseason form and MMs comment that out of form blokes don't get a gig. Meat was out of form yet still got a gig... and it didn't take long for his lack of form to become obvious at senior level.
The other forwards' form is a separate conversation... and to suggest that Meat gets a gig because others are as out of form or worse is frightening.
Not the issue. The discussion is about Meat's preseason form and MMs comment that out of form blokes don't get a gig. Meat was out of form yet still got a gig... and it didn't take long for his lack of form to become obvious at senior level.
The other forwards' form is a separate conversation... and to suggest that Meat gets a gig because others are as out of form or worse is frightening.
He then corrected himself and said lack of goalkicking form. Mick must want a ruckman who kicks 40-50 goals a year...lol. Given his form in the ruck has been ok then he shouldn't have been dropped. That's where he should be judged.
He then corrected himself and said lack of goalkicking form. Mick must want a ruckman who kicks 40-50 goals a year...lol. Given his form in the ruck has been ok then he shouldn't have been dropped. That's where he should be judged.
So says you Jim... Geez
Everyone else thinks he's a fwd/ruck... You seem to think he's the first ruck... If that's the case what's wood doing in the team ?
Not the issue. The discussion is about Meat's preseason form and MMs comment that out of form blokes don't get a gig. Meat was out of form yet still got a gig... and it didn't take long for his lack of form to become obvious at senior level.
The other forwards' form is a separate conversation... and to suggest that Meat gets a gig because others are as out of form or worse is frightening.
He didn't play in round 1 did he? The others' form is relevant if he was no worse then it's unreasonable IMO and Cas had proven himself to have talent and had smashed the preseason. Now he's just another player that is underperforming end bereft of confidence.
He didn't play in round 1 did he? The others' form is relevant if he was no worse then it's unreasonable IMO and Cas had proven himself to have talent and had smashed the preseason. Now he's just another player that is underperforming end bereft of confidence.
Carrots... You keep repeating this shiite.
Tell us how many goals he kicked in his blistering preseason, please.
So says you Jim... Geez
Everyone else thinks he's a fwd/ruck... You seem to think he's the first ruck... If that's the case what's wood doing in the team ?
Doesn't matter what people think reality is this is what he is. What do we do, drop him for his lack of goalkicking and bring in another who can't take a mark or kick a goal. How much of a winner was that?
What part of Henderson and Jones as key forwards don't you understand. When we have to two KP forwards Casboult's position is one of the two ruckmen. He's not there to necessarily boot any more goals than any other ruckman. His job in that case is to ruck and take some marks around the ground. Is he doing that? Yes. Yet he gets dropped for goalkicking while taking more marks than our other two rucks put together. You don't see the folly in that????
If he was selected at FF to occasionally pinch hit in the ruck, then his job would be to boot a few goals but we have two blokes we've picked to do that job. Your main job is one or the other. Then the second part becomes a bonus. You think he's a genius and will kick 40 goals while spending half his time in the ruck? He is in form rucking and marking.
Carrots... You keep repeating this shiite.
Tell us how many goals he kicked in his blistering preseason, please.
Don't care when you're played as a ruckman.
Casboult>>>>>>>Warnock..its that simple...
Casboult>>>>>>>Warnock..its that simple...
Lets see if Mick thinks the same as you do. Something tells me he won't do it.
Lets see if Mick thinks the same as you do. Something tells me he won't do it.
Casboult will come in for Henderson(injured) I would think but you are right he will probably continue with Warnock.....
Agree. Though if I were running the show Warnock would only ever play when Wood and Kreuzer aren't playing. Complete liability and redundant otherwise.
I don't know how everyone else missed it but Wood played second ruck/forward and Jagged two goals there whilst knockers did most of the first ruck duties.
The tactic was floated prior to the game and Wood gave us about what Casboult would have except he actually hit the scoreboard.
Warnock gave us less around the ground and more in the ruck though.
Frankly I'd play Warnock all season hoping someone wants a tap ruckman given we have written off the year whilst wood and Casboult alternative second ruck duties.
Would it be possible to simply play Casboult at FF for a whole game? Don't mind whether it's in the VFL or Seniors.
We seem determined to never find out what he can do!
I don't know how everyone else missed it but Wood played second ruck/forward and Jagged two goals there whilst knockers did most of the first ruck duties.
The tactic was floated prior to the game and Wood gave us about what Casboult would have except he actually hit the scoreboard.
Warnock gave us less around the ground and more in the ruck though.
Frankly I'd play Warnock all season hoping someone wants a tap ruckman given we have written off the year whilst wood and Casboult alternative second ruck duties.
Yes, Wood jagged a couple of goals but the rest of his game was rubbish. Ch 7 actually put together a montage of his worst efforts and some of his marking efforts were comical. Casboult hasn't made much of an impact on the scoreboard but his marking around the ground and his physicality is his strength and we missed both very badly on Friday.
That Grundy towelled up both Warnock and Wood is not surprising, both struggle against mobile opponents.
Yes, Wood jagged a couple of goals but the rest of his game was rubbish. Ch 7 actually put together a montage of his worst efforts and some of his marking efforts were comical. Casboult hasn't made much of an impact on the scoreboard but his marking around the ground and his physicality is his strength and we missed both very badly on Friday.
That Grundy towelled up both Warnock and Wood is not surprising, both struggle against mobile opponents.
I think I said before the game NO Casboult...No Carlton :o
Yes, Wood jagged a couple of goals but the rest of his game was rubbish. Ch 7 actually put together a montage of his worst efforts and some of his marking efforts were comical. Casboult hasn't made much of an impact on the scoreboard but his marking around the ground and his physicality is his strength and we missed both very badly on Friday.
That Grundy towelled up both Warnock and Wood is not surprising, both struggle against mobile opponents.
A confident Meat and a fit Kreuz suggests a far better rucking combo me thinks... with Wood as the backup playing in the Magoos... and then recruiting another couple to groom over the next few years. Trade 206, we'll get a 2nd rounder for him.
A confident Meat and a fit Kreuz suggests a far better rucking combo me thinks... with Wood as the backup playing in the Magoos... and then recruiting another couple to groom over the next few years. Trade 206, we'll get a 2nd rounder for him.
That would be good - we just need Kreuz to recover now and it could happen.....................(sigh).
Hammer tore Richmond up on a few occasions, so they were fooled into giving something decent up for him. Don't reckon Robby will attract much interest.
Reckon Robby may just win a few hearts if he's given a few games.
Needs some confidence and continuity will get better as the team starts to settle.
Ciao
Reckon Robby may just win a few hearts if he's given a few games.
Needs some confidence and continuity will get better as the team starts to settle.
Ciao
The bloke has played a few great games - finals included, so he can do it. just needs to keep working hard around the ground....i imagine he's a decent runner....?
The bloke has played a few great games - finals included, so he can do it. just needs to keep working hard around the ground....i imagine he's a decent runner....?
The problem with Robbie is (like most of our list) that he is too nice. A good modern day ruckman needs to be able to switch between a rough and tumble blue collar battering ram and a polished 5th midfielder (ala Dean Cox). Tap work is one small part of this which Robbie has down pat. The rest? Nowhere near it I'm afraid. Kruze, if he could get an injury free run and get some continuity, is in many ways, the model ruckman. Tireless worker, fearsome competitor with a never say die attitude.
Nah the problem with Warnock is that for a bloke that is 206cm tall, he simply cannot even get his hands to the ball in a marking contest, let alone actually take the mark!
Nah the problem with Warnock is that for a bloke that is 206cm tall, he simply cannot even get his hands to the ball in a marking contest, let alone actually take the mark!
Very true.
The problem with Robbie is (like most of our list) that .....
.....he hears footsteps!
206 has never recovered from the hit by Enright, something Lewis just got a two weeks for doing to Goldstein but Enright got nothing for whacking Warnock!
People think I am paranoid about a bias against Carlton, but it is there in that non-sanction and other non-events. It's also there in cases that appear to be active discrimination such as the Yarran case, contrast by Lewis and Hodge this week! Both from the AFL Media and the AFL Administration!
One or two such events might be coincidence, but when you see a pattern of these things happening time and time again it isn't down to luck! Some of my other more memorable ones;
Hunt stands on Betts hand.
Hodge hits Murphy high.
Ziebell smashes Simpson.
Ziebell smashes Joseph.
Chapman lags on Yarran.
Goddard stages then lags on Yarran.
Goddard stages then McLean gets free kicked bumping(Too Hard!)
Williams gets 44 possessions, is named BOG by every media entity and gets zero Brownlow votes.
Carlton get stung for TPP a $1M fine and two years, EFC get stung for TPP gets $50K fine and wins the flag!
Milburn smashes Silvagni blind and gets suspended for a dangerous tackle!
These aren't grey or vague events, they are blatant and obvious!
@LP I'm with you on all that brother ;)
Would it be possible to simply play Casboult at FF for a whole game? Don't mind whether it's in the VFL or Seniors.
We seem determined to never find out what he can do!
Actually think that 2nd ruck role is what he does best. Decent in the ruck, takes marks around the ground and takes marks in front of goal (and kicks points..lol). Not sure he'd be that great as a straight up forward but he's ok there (or would be if he kicked straight) as a back up as well as rucking and taking marks around the wing. Actually think it is what he does best.
If I was to play him forward only it'd be CHF. He likes to move around, provide a target coming out of defence and is ten times more likely to kick a goal from 50m than 20m.
Casboult needs what Stefan Martin got at Brisbane and that responsibility..he needs rucking more and getting more involved in general play.
Mick turned a dud like Leigh Brown into a footballer by giving him responsibility and playing to his strengths rather than trying to make him a KP defender only...we should let Casboult run around more, crash into opposing players and be a presence....
Casboult needs what Stefan Martin got at Brisbane and that responsibility..he needs rucking more and getting more involved in general play.
Mick turned a dud like Leigh Brown into a footballer by giving him responsibility and playing to his strengths rather than trying to make him a KP defender only...we should let Casboult run around more, crash into opposing players and be a presence....
Your smashing them out of the park tonight buddy. ;)
Casboult needs what Stefan Martin got at Brisbane and that responsibility..he needs rucking more and getting more involved in general play.
Mick turned a dud like Leigh Brown into a footballer by giving him responsibility and playing to his strengths rather than trying to make him a KP defender only...we should let Casboult run around more, crash into opposing players and be a presence....
Most of Casboult's best games have started with the lad making a big tackle or chase and gaining confidence from it. Certainly when he brings someone down, especially when it is not expected, he lefts and starts taking big marks.
To be honest, I think that is why he gets played as the primary ruckman at VFL level: it gets him into the play instead of letting him rot in the forward line. Unfortunately Casboult does not appear to have the recovery to make a serious contribution after he goes for the tap. he reads the ball poorly for a guy who can take such a strong grab. He also uses he body relatively poorly.
Personally, I'd love to see Meat cut loose but MM isn't the coach that will let that happen as he is too negative.
I think we should let Casboult do a Brown and create havoc forward of centre. Let him be our escape target and have him hurt teams that want to run off him.
Instead we have him gut running the depth of the field minding a defender, they show him no respect!
Watson was good for this type of role as well. Because he can hit the stick from the centre of the ground they can't disrespect him as much! If only he could clunk marks like Meat.