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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: madbluboy on
Not sure what you expect from Fantasia. We only had 38 inside 50s and had 12 goals from it which is a good return.

Say you swap Martin for Fantasia last week. Jack might kick 2 but Owies might only get 1. Jack might be too gassed to chase his man meaning others have to leave theirs. Collingwood score more.

Not everyone forward is going to get lots of the ball and kick goals.

We didn't lose because of Orazio.

We lost because Collingwood had a plan.

They blocked Cripps at every stoppage. They showed this on the Sunday footy show.

David King showed how they dragged Weitering out of the play. Even showed him being held on the ground for just long enough do he couldn't get back to help his defenders.

And some critical umpiring decisions helped their cause as did an uncharacteristic lapse by Sam Walsh.

I wouldn’t rely too much on David King’s analysis.  He does tend to take an isolated incident or two and concoct a convincing scenario.  If we had won, he would have shown footage of our “tactics”.

The only criticism I have of Fantasia is for missing that shot at goal.  He doesn’t get many opportunities and he should make the most of every one.  Apart from that, he works hard, gets back in defence and makes his opponent accountable. 

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by madbluboy -
Carroll played Fantasia's role against Geelong. Had 7 touches and was dropped.

The high half forward role is a tough gig. A lot of hard running for little reward as you're in no man's land.

Cottrell isn't getting the numbers he used to, he's not out of form  just playing a role where kicks are harder to come by.

What does Zac Williams bring to the team?

Can't be trusted one on one and he's not providing much rebound.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Martin is a 3rd tall in our forward line with no JSOS down there and is a marking target as well as a creative ground player.
Orazio and Durdin are traditional small forwards only so different players to Martin imho and not competing for the same position. I think Martin also makes  life easier for Charlie and Harry as that alternative target.
The player being missed is Fogarty who provides the extra pressure you need as the modern forward.
Playing both Orazio and Durdin in the same team doesn't work....
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC on
Binns has benefited from being allowed to develop his craft in the Magoos and is way ahead of Moir.
I can't see Binns or Carroll giving us less match influence than Fantasia, I don't understand our selection at the moment, there are obviously skills, tasks and strategies we can't see.

Maybe Fantasia is living on the fact he is not making any mistakes, but it is probably because you actually have to do something to make an error! Not sure how long he can survive while directing traffic.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by LP -
Regardless of Fantasia's influence or opportunities last game, we are getting next to nothing out of him.

It's borders on bizarre that some fans want the likes of Williams, Owies or Durdin dropped, but want to retain Fantasia.

I admit I was unconvinced by Fantasia at the start of the season, I probably didn't give him a fair chance, then two weeks back he fooled me because he became more involved around the contest without really getting any significant footy. I thought he was on a better trajectory. However, a week later against the Filth was it for me, Fantasia is cooked.

He'll need a 20+ possession 3 or 4 goal game just to get back to scratch in my ratings, and it's probably best if it happens in the VFL.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: townsendcalling on
Let's not kid ourselves, Moir is 10,000 miles off. Needs a heap of development in so many areas and is being given time to do that. Fast tracking our high draft picks is 'old Carlton' done in desperation in the past (a small number of exceptions) and ruined a number of careers.

Yes, Moir needs to play more consistent footy before being considered for senior selection … and there’s no hurry.

Binns has benefited from being allowed to develop his craft in the Magoos and is way ahead of Moir.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by madbluboy -
Not sure what you expect from Fantasia. We only had 38 inside 50s and had 12 goals from it which is a good return.

Say you swap Martin for Fantasia last week. Jack might kick 2 but Owies might only get 1. Jack might be too gassed to chase his man meaning others have to leave theirs. Collingwood score more.

Not everyone forward is going to get lots of the ball and kick goals.

We didn't lose because of Orazio.

We lost because Collingwood had a plan.

They blocked Cripps at every stoppage. They showed this on the Sunday footy show.

David King showed how they dragged Weitering out of the play. Even showed him being held on the ground for just long enough do he couldn't get back to help his defenders.


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by pinot -
Quote from: townsendcalling on
Let's not kid ourselves, Moir is 10,000 miles off. Needs a heap of development in so many areas and is being given time to do that. Fast tracking our high draft picks is 'old Carlton' done in desperation in the past (a small number of exceptions) and ruined a number of careers.

Surely Moir can do what Fantasia does? Even I can.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Domestic violence and why the government will struggle to attention the problem.
Last post by Baggers -
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Thank you guys for your kind thoughts.

I will do my best to answer any questions. Give me a little time to collect my thoughts please. I am In the process of selling my house. My deepest apologies.

Nothing to apologize for, Green Stick. Sharing your trauma/pain with us is gutsy stuff, mate. And healing. You know I work in mental health... never hesitate to PM me for a chin wag. It would be a privilege to support you in any way I can.