18 players inside the top 15 in their respective drafts - Jaksch, Gorringe and maybe Daisy the 3 questionable ones.... The rest can and will play significant roles in our resurgence! Some have yet shown much through injury, youth or circumstance but the upside in guys like McKay, Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Marchbank, Pickett, SPS, even Billie Smedts (whom Geelong rated very highly) is massive.
Guys like SPS and Pickett can change the course of a match off their own boot - only Gibbs rarely of our current crop has/had that ability. Maybe Murph and Special K once, but arguably no longer. I reckon Curnow the younger will be such a player too - whether in the guts or as a roaming forward.
Plenty of picks in arounds the 20s to add to the mix - Fisher, Kerridge, Blaine B., Lamb. Fisher wil surprise many - our Caleb Daniel with X factor.
Then there's late gems like Simmo - one of the first picked every week...I would imagine Ed Curnow one of the first picked too?
Go Blues.
Player Name Draft Pick
Bryce Gibbs 1
Jacob Weitering 1
Marc Murphy 1
Matthew Kreuzer 1
Dale Thomas 2
Lachie Plowman 3
Jarrod Pickett 4
C. Marchbank 6
Charlie Curnow 6
Rhys Palmer 7
Sam P-S 7
Harry McKay 10
Liam Sumner 10
Daniel Gorringe 10
Kristian Jaksch 12
Sam Docherty 12
Patrick Cripps 13
Billie Smedts 15
Patty Cripps at 13 .......... its almost unfair that we snagged him that late !
Yep added 5 more first round picks to our list, if all can live up to their draft position then a flag for us in 2017 ;)
Our list looks really balanced at the moment, with recruiting B.S. (before SOS) there seemed no plan, the last two years you can see direction and a genuine building of the team. We have looked at the holes and drafted accordingly. We needed to increase speed and get better ball users, we still needed some more KP players and we got two and when you put our two teams down on paper it works.
FB Marchbank Rowe Plowman
HB Docherty Weitering Simpson
C Murphy Gibbs Cunningham
R Philips Cripps E Curnow
HF Silvagni McKay C Curnow
FF Kruezer Casboult Wright
I White, Armfield, Kerridge, Palmer
FB Byrne G-McKasker Jaksch
HB Williamson McCreadie Smedts
C Buckley Graham Boekhurst
R Koerceck Thomas P-Seaton
HF Lamb Jones Sumner
FF Pickett Kerr Gorringe
I Sheehan Fisher, Poulson
When you consider we have some "dead men walking" in Thomas, Jaksch and Jones and well as a few "piss or get off the pot players" Buckley, Graham, Boekhurst, Lamb, Sumner, Casboult and Gorringe, next off season could be as busy as the last two.
I think as the individuals gel we'll beat a few good teams eg Geelong this year.
We had their measure all day.
I'm not sure the 22 can have Kreuzer, Phillips, Rowe and the Bolt in it (and Harry too)?
I think the 22 will eveolve during 2017, guys warranting selection in the 2s will force their way in - some permanently.
I do hope Sumner makes it and he will barring further injury.
Our back line has the potential to be the best in the league if our mids work better defensively.
Our forward line with C. Curnow, SOJ, McKay and a Pickett/SPS/Fisher/Polson as the crumber and Matty Wright as the hard nut defensive forward - again, will surprise many too. The Bolt is on orders, perform this year - up the ground or as a stay at home FF? Arguably, with no foil in 2016 he wasn't used very well. Maybe that was by design?
I guess one on one - if we get the ball to him quickly, he'll out mark andyone, even a Rance type.
Upside or downside in 2017?
Bryce Gibbs 1 - the same level as 2016 will be just fine
Jacob Weitering 1 - upside as gets stronger, feels more comfortable. The general down back, future Captain.
Marc Murphy 1 - missed most of 2016, should be fresher for the rest.
Matthew Kreuzer 1 - still the team barometer, but might struggle to hold his lace if he can't take more marks.
Dale Thomas 2 - goneski, enjoying his 700k pa.
Lachie Plowman 3 - gets a full season, watch out. Will see him in the middle....
Jarrod Pickett 4 - if this guy is fit and interested, will become an elite of the competition. Time will tell.
C. Marchbank 6 - gun in the making, but again a 3rd tall down back or a potential midfield option?
Charlie Curnow 6 - see Marchbank but arguably even more flexible!
Rhys Palmer 7 - great addition of experience, still a ball magnet and a handy goal scorer. Will play 22 games.
Sam P-S 7 - I'm in love (enough said).
Harry McKay 10 - now 203cm, looks very athletic, mobile and agile. Should get plenty of opportunity in 2017.
Liam Sumner 10 - injury free, will be a regular 22 player.
Daniel Gorringe 10 - jury's out, showed a bit this year but where/what could he find 'his' position?
Kristian Jaksch 12 - great potential as a swingman but seemingly lacks the desire?
Sam Docherty 12 - gun. AA player. That you Brisvegas.
Patrick Cripps 13 - gun. The rest in the next few months will prove a blessing!
Billie Smedts 15 - if he's a regular i.e. injury free, walk up start, superb utility.
Our forward line with C. Curnow, SOJ, McKay and a Pickett/SPS/Fisher/Polson as the crumber and Matty Wright as the hard nut defensive forward - again, will surprise many too. The Bolt is on orders, perform this year - up the ground or as a stay at home FF? Arguably, with no foil in 2016 he wasn't used very well. Maybe that was by design?
I guess one on one - if we get the ball to him quickly, he'll out mark andyone, even a Rance type.
I love the optomism but i can't share it.
Yes i know, everyone we drafted will perform at their maximum and everybody lives up to their potential and turns the club around....but that doesn't happen. At least 2 players we drafted won't be on the list in 2 years. Another one might be injured over the same period. etc.
The forward line still worries me greatly.
Curnowfides
could be anything and through sheer lack of options everyone has him locked into our forward line. Ideally, you'd want him roaming through the middle and/or wing, but i accept he'll play forward.
McKay hasn't cracked it for a game. Sure, he is the great white hope, but he doesn't have the wraps on him like someone like Hogan does/did...and he is still a few years behind him yet.
SOJ, exceeded all expectations and its hard for anyone to see a time where he will be left out of the side. 2nd years blues and some young kid niggles and he might be running around in the 2's for large part of the season if he doesn't break down completely. He plays like his father, but hasn't got the mature body for that style just yet.
Pickett/SPS/Fisher/Polson - Pickett is a bit different as he has been in the system for a bit now, but the others would be lucky to play 22 games between them. Expected them to hold down a spot is, again, very optimistic.
Wright is the one player we can bank on IMO....bit having said that, not many people rated him for the majority of the year. People are more accepting of him no since he actually won the goal kicking and had a good placing in the B+F. Still, we picked him up off the scrap heap and he's not going to scare the opposition like an Eddie Betts would.
That leaves Casboult. I notice how you talked about him outmarking everyone, but failed to talk about the next step - kicking. We are the only team in the history of the AFL that has their worst kick on the list as their main forward target. Love his physicality and presence, but we cannot consistently move forward with him as our main goal kicking option. On a good day, he'll kick straight and we win. Over the course of a year, we'll lose more games than we win because of his rollercoaster accuracy.
Personally, i'd put in Smedts before a few of them as he knows where the goals are and can take advantage of the smallest of opportunities.
Overall, there are way too many unknowns from our forwardline and when the inevitable happens, and they get injured/dropped, the next bloke in will be a player like Jones/Jaksch. Still excited about our options?
The list is far from finished through Kruddler.
We need to get games into the young forwards especially. They are still young and will get knocked around however once they have found their feet at VFL level playing against men, then they need to be exposed at the top level for as long as their body will handle it. This season is not about 2017, it's not about finals it's about development, being competitive and getting our young team ready for a push in 2-3 seasons time.
I fully expect this team to finish bottom 4 this season, we don't have the quality of experience. The only way we get that is to give our next crop all the games we can, get them working within a structure and for it to become second nature.
We will have lows and some high's and some I can't wait for him to get older, see last season when Charlie Curnow went straight up between two defenders and plucked the mark, Jack Silvagni when he looked in slow motion, evading players the put a pass into the forward 50 to advantage of our big men. Weitering dominating seasoned players down back, this is not hope, this is reality as they have all done it before. Cunningham mightn't ever be star but his small sample size of games last season showed he does the right things when he's around the ball.
I cannot wait for SPS to side step an opponent and burst away from the pack hitting a leading forward on the chest, will he get caught doing it, yes probably on a 3 to 1 ratio but he needs to get that feel to the game, or Fisher diving under a pack getting quick hands out, or laying a tackle to switch the play. Again it won't be every time but I'm just looking for some of the time.
Who on here didn't roar when Boekhurst ran down Richards, why? It's wasn't just the act of the tackle, but it was the feeling that a player who never seemed interested in doing the hard stuff, did what the coached would preach, never give up.
If you cannot be positive at this time of the year, then it's going to be a long season for you in 2017.
I fully expect this team to finish bottom 4 this season, we don't have the quality of experience.
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If you cannot be positive at this time of the year, then it's going to be a long season for you in 2017.
See that is the thing.
I also expect to finish bottom 4, or bottom 6 at least.
Are you are happy and positive with this finish? I'm not.
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but i've been chasing that light for over a decade now and although signs appear to be better, we are still chasing that light.
Everyone has potential, upside and room for improvement.
Yarran was a better player at that age then he ended up being in the end. Who saw that coming?
Probably say the same about Garlett.
Betts left us at his peak.
Robbo showed the intensity and love of the jumper.
Bell showed good signs and was the next kouta for a while.
None of these things turned out as we were expecting. There are more.
I'm happy with the young talent wehave on our list, and the way we go about trading of late. But still, we don't have anything to show for it.
I'll be more optimistic this time next year. But i suspect a long season ahead. One in which we are MORE annoyed with our forward line than we were this year....which i didn't think could be possible.
I think we probably have thinking here, one exception you're looking back, mentioning players who are gone. Before 2016 doesn't exist to me any more, we have a new crew running the place, they seem from the outside to be working together and when they started we were told this is a 66 game rebuild. So far we are 22 games into it so 1/3.
We have another year where 8-12 players will get delisted again and then have another big recruiting class to bring in. That should be the last year of the big broom and hopefully will be smaller adjustments from there on.
Do I like finishing bottom 4/6? No but it's a realism of where we stand. We had years of poor decisions and we are trying to fix this.
No-one knows what will happen, will players want o go home or move on, but at this point in time I'm looking for positives as I only have the highlights and what has been written about the players to go on. I'm sure we will see their warts as time passes, but at this point in time they are cleanskins to me. I'm not going to get down about what may go wrong, instead I'll think of what may go right.
If we finish bottom 4 this place will be a mess ::) :D
If we finish bottom 4 this place will be a mess ::) :D
We are miles away from GWS, Sydney and now CheatsFC and we still do not feature in the AFL's plans.
The other clubs I can't make up my mind about, but along with the premiers there are probably another six or eight that are remaining well ahead of us.
IMHO, that leaves us bottom six for 2017.
If we finish bottom 4 this place will be a mess ::) :D
Back in October 2014 Kruddler and Raydan questioned my support for my club because I expressed an appropriately pessimistic view of our prospects. We now have a coach who actually knows how to coach and has a game plan that works, a list manager who knows how to manage the list, an administration that is running the club well, a board that is staying out of the news and a playing group that is united and far superior to what we had going in to the 2015 season.
We'll get at least 10 wins and will finish in the middle six.
Pessimists ;D
We didn't finish bottom 4 this year.
Bottom 4 means going backwards
If we go backwards this place will not be pretty.
Now I'm not saying that's the right attitude but it's what will happen ;)
People will accept a bit of pain for a while, and Bolton has more goodwill than all the coaches we've had in the last 14 years, but if we see no progress people will start to wonder whether not they're being fed bullcrap.
That's been a pattern over the last decade.
People are patient and understanding now.
Twelve months from now they'll be less patient and understanding if we've made no apparent progress.
That's when the questions will start to be asked, queries at first followed by all out criticism the longer success eludes us.
Of course that's not going to happen...We'll be camped firmly in the 8-12 range on the ladder at season's end and we'll be well pleased with the progress. :D
Of course that's not going to happen...We'll be camped firmly in the 8-12 range on the ladder at season's end and we'll be well pleased with the progress. :D
So no chance of this place being a mess......
Back in October 2014 Kruddler and Raydan questioned my support for my club because I expressed a pessimistic view of our prospects. We now have a coach who actually knows how to coach and has a game plan that works, a list manager who knows how to manage the list, an administration that is running the club well, a board that is staying out of the news and a playing group that is united and far superior to what we had going in to the 2015 season.
We'll get at least 10 wins and will finish in the middle six.
I'm with you DJ, the positives are starting to outweigh the negatives. That will translate to a rise up the ladder. It may even happen sooner rather than later.
Whether our foreard line is successful - whomever plays in it - is largely a function of the success of the midfield.
pretty simple really.
So no chance of this place being a mess......
Nah
It will still be a mess ;D
...But not because we're bottom 4 ;)
On a serious note though...
Whether our foreard line is successful - whomever plays in it - is largely a function of the success of the midfield.
pretty simple really.
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A lot of where we finish will be dependent on our ability to kick winning scores.
Whether that results from the midfield or an improved forward structure you would have to be confident it is one area where we can improve significantly.
Whether our foreard line is successful - whomever plays in it - is largely a function of the success of the midfield.
pretty simple really.
You can have the best forwardline in the comp.....if your midfield is no good....chances are your team is no good.
But having a decent midfield and a crap forwardline isn't going to win you many finals matches.....if you get there at all.
Sooner or later, we need to ensure our forwardline is not reliant upon Casboults ability to put the ball through the big sticks. The longer we rely on that, the longer we waste time on rebuilding.
I think we probably have thinking here, one exception you're looking back, mentioning players who are gone.
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
We've had new coaches before.
We've had new admintrators before.
We've had new....everything before.
Everytime we are convinced that THIS time its different.
Eventually, it will be different. Chances are it is now....we are due! However, i'm not counting my chickens until they are hatched and all grown up and still wearing navy blue.
We've had this debate many a time in the past. Optimistic, pessimistic.......realistic. Its all relative.
An optimist looking at a realist thinks they are a pessimist.
A pessimist looking at a realist thinks they are an optimist.
An optimist looking at another optimist thinks they are both realistic. Ditto pessimists.
I'd like to think of myself as a realist, as i'm sure everyone would. I just think people talking about our forwardline scaring oppositions when half of it has a handful of games between them is stretching the 'realism' a bit too far ;)
You can have the best forwardline in the comp.....if your midfield is no good....chances are your team is no good.
But having a decent midfield and a crap forwardline isn't going to win you many finals matches.....if you get there at all.
Sooner or later, we need to ensure our forwardline is not reliant upon Casboults ability to put the ball through the big sticks. The longer we rely on that, the longer we waste time on rebuilding.
Are you on the juice today because that is one daft comment!?
Are you on the juice today because that is one daft comment!?
Fast forward to the end of the match, siren gone, ball in Casboults hands. Kick it, and we
win......
make finals....win the grand final!
How are you feeling? Confident?
Said this elsewhere.
He has the ability to win and lose us games based on how 'lucky' he is on any given day. Have a bad day and he's lucky to score. Have a good day and they might sail through. Over time, its all going to average out to how good of a kick he is. More often than not, he misses.
If we rebuild our team, but fail to improve the ability of our FF to kick accurately in front of goals (whether he learns to kick, or we replace him) then i can't see us having the ultimate success.....and thus we have failed in our rebuild.
Casboult may be struggling to make this side by the end of the year.
I see one of two scenarios playing out.
1. We improve next year, and finish somewhere close to 10th, or maybe even 8th, and we continue on our merry way.
2. We have an ordinary year. The natives start getting restless but our club will stay the course. Bolton won't be the scapegoat unless something changes as we went through a process to get him. SOS work is years away from yielding fruit meaning that we won't know if they are good or bad fruit for a few years. So the only thing left is for the natives to turn on the only remaining remnant of the previous under performing team and trade and recruit heavily again. The reset will be completed and then in 2018 SOS work will yield fruit and just in time to save Bolton.
I'm optimistic because I'm happy with either scenario to play out and we will continue turning things over regardless. Ask me again next year how I'm feeling because ultimately this is just an in between year.
I see one of two scenarios playing out.
1. We improve next year, and finish somewhere close to 10th, or maybe even 8th, and we continue on our merry way.
2. We have an ordinary year. The natives start getting restless but our club will stay the course. Bolton won't be the scapegoat unless something changes as we went through a process to get him. SOS work is years away from yielding fruit meaning that we won't know if they are good or bad fruit for a few years. So the only thing left is for the natives to turn on the only remaining remnant of the previous under performing team and trade and recruit heavily again. The reset will be completed and then in 2018 SOS work will yield fruit and just in time to save Bolton.
I'm optimistic because I'm happy with either scenario to play out and we will continue turning things over regardless. Ask me again next year how I'm feeling because ultimately this is just an in between year.
I think Bolton will be reasonably safe from scrutiny if we do have a ordinary season in 2017 but I think SOS might be in for a harder time.....you read reviews of his drafting and there a few GWS fans who reckon he only got it right in one draft where he had all the best picks. I dont mind what he has done with the GWS players we have recruited as you have to be a bit radical when you're down but there are plenty in the media who think his over reliance on GWS discards isnt healthy and I am sure if we dont do so well that will be an area he will be criticised over..
I dont think you get too many in between years as a coach though and if bottom teams like Brisbane, Freo,Essendon, etc were to go past us then the natives will get very restless......the main issue will be if we actually drop down the ladder...staying where we are will be acceptable but bottom 4 wont be IMO...
Casboult may be struggling to make this side by the end of the year.
Big Sav is back at the club this year... all sorted
I think Bolton will be reasonably safe from scrutiny if we do have a ordinary season in 2017 but I think SOS might be in for a harder time.....you read reviews of his drafting and there a few GWS fans who reckon he only got it right in one draft where he had all the best picks. I dont mind what he has done with the GWS players we have recruited as you have to be a bit radical when you're down but there are plenty in the media who think his over reliance on GWS discards isnt healthy and I am sure if we dont do so well that will be an area he will be criticised over..
I dont think you get too many in between years as a coach though and if bottom teams like Brisbane, Freo,Essendon, etc were to go past us then the natives will get very restless......the main issue will be if we actually drop down the ladder...staying where we are will be acceptable but bottom 4 wont be IMO...
No.1 - don't make up stories. We all know there is no such thing as a GWS fan.
No.2 - the overall list build job SOS did at GWS (not just drafting) was absolutely first class. Just compare it to the strategy employed at GC for an idea of how it could very easily have gone wrong. Not only did he find gun players but also enough of them who were willing to stay put. People look at the concessions and think that's it they had to succeed - that is so simplistic... and wrong. Forget go-home factor - GWS are now a destination club (Deledio, Mumford, Shaw, Griffin, Johnson, Patful, etc. etc.)
GWS didn't just succeed they smashed it and all because SOS picked apart what was on offer from the AFL and was able to magnify the benefits.
The next time a unicorn, leprechaun or GWS fan speak harshly about SOS just tell them to look at GC.
No.1 - don't make up stories. We all know there is no such thing as a GWS fan.
No.2 - the overall list build job SOS did at GWS (not just drafting) was absolutely first class. Just compare it to the strategy employed at GC for an idea of how it could very easily have gone wrong. Not only did he find gun players but also enough of them who were willing to stay put. People look at the concessions and think that's it they had to succeed - that is so simplistic... and wrong. Forget go-home factor - GWS are now a destination club (Deledio, Mumford, Shaw, Griffin, Johnson, Patful, etc. etc.)
GWS didn't just succeed they smashed it and all because SOS picked apart what was on offer from the AFL and was able to magnify the benefits.
The next time a unicorn, leprechaun or GWS fan speak harshly about SOS just tell them to look at GC.
You dont think he will come under scrutiny if 2017 is a poor season?....
Based on what we saw from our club last year, you cant be anything other than optomistic about our future.
Im 45. I've never been so optimistic about our club for as long as I can remember. .....95 was so long ago !
I bought my 1st membership when we were brought to our knees by the salary cap scandal. Cost me a fortune (reserved seat) that I really couldnt afford at the time, but I wanted to help get my club back up to the top again.
Its been a bloody long time...... a lot of quick fix mentality that at the time gave me (false) optimism.... from hiring Pagan , to hiring Malthouse and all else in between.
Its taken way too bloody long, but we finally seem to have embraced the trade and draft system. We have a board who finally.......... have members on it that are not in the news every couple of weeks ::). We have a coach who is a great teacher of young men and one who has a solid, structured game plan . A coach and club for that matter, who are very transparant in there direction.
Even thou we lost to Rich in rd 1, I remember smiling and almost giggling nervously with excitement , at the fact we were finally playing proper football. Through the year, I've watched 3 instalments of "the journey" which gives me a little glimpse of the direction and thought processes of the coaching group and players.
This is what gives me optimism for our future.
Improving our list slowly but surely with hard work and persistance, and without quick fixes.
I dont expect a great improvement in ladder position this year but I do expect the gap from our better performances to our worst to be a lot narrower. I expect to see more sprouts of our future through the course of the year BUT will be mightily dissapointed if we let any team , blow us away by 10 goals or more.
Ps... Im still so pissed off that we lost to Ess in the last rd last yr.......it still burns.
That nearly had me losing my faith !!
Casboult may be struggling to make this side by the end of the year.
If he converts, his confidence increases, if his confidence increases he backs himself more and asserts himself more. If he throws his weight around up forward he may, at last, have a break out year. However, personally, when it comes to Meat, I'm a pessimist... a pessimist who believes he'll continue to tease and be an 'almost' player, but I'd be rapt to have googie all over face.
If he converts, his confidence increases, if his confidence increases he backs himself more and asserts himself more. If he throws his weight around up forward he may, at last, have a break out year. However, personally, when it comes to Meat, I'm a pessimist... a pessimist who believes he'll continue to tease and be an 'almost' player, but I'd be rapt to have googie all over face.
I'll be watching with interest to see what role Levi plays next year Baggers, since he was hampered this year with his knee injuries that restricted him somewhat. Whatever the role is he will need to shape up or he will be shipped out for sure. I would like to see him play more as a forward/ruck type with some focus on marking around the ground, but who knows. Atm I'm not convinced about him as a KPF due to his poor kicking but let's see what Sav can do to help him with that.
I'll be watching with interest to see what role Levi plays next year Baggers, since he was hampered this year with his knee injuries that restricted him somewhat. Whatever the role is he will need to shape up or he will be shipped out for sure. I would like to see him play more as a forward/ruck type with some focus on marking around the ground, but who knows. Atm I'm not convinced about him as a KPF due to his poor kicking but let's see what Sav can do to help him with that.
If Kerr can show something then I reckon the Bolt can play second banana up forward with less pressure on him to be the main converter and he will be a better player.....I know others dont agree and its only been me and Jim who support him as a second ruckman/forward pocket but I think its where his future lies and I'd be improving his ruckwork as well as his kicking....
Given he has a one year deal its all or nothing for him this season as I reckon he will be draft bait at 2017 seasons end if he has another season like 2016...
I'm with you EB1.
Casboult knows he's on his last chance no question but also it's vey clear he played his best when he wasn't the only or key target up forward.
If we're kicking to one of Levi, McKay or SOJ (as the third tall) the opposition needs to find some uber tall defenders to man the first two - even a gun KPP defender like Rance is only 1.94m.
So Harry has 9cm + reach on Rance! Then who takes Casboult at 199cm?!
SOJ listed at 191cm but every chance he's grown given he was underage?
Will be interesting to see whether Kerr cracks a senior game in 2017. If he does most likely curtains for Levi, though I think he is a serviceable 2nd ruck.
Problem is with the Levi as a ruck option is do you leave ot Kreuzer or Phillips? I' say the former objectively but that's not likely in the medium term, short of injury?
No.1 - don't make up stories. We all know there is no such thing as a GWS fan.
I'm afraid there is.
My wife's cousin's family are fanatical Giants supporters.
My bloody facebook feed was covered in their new recruits the other night.
Action will need to be taken >:(
(I didn't delete the GWS profiles....they'll be playing for us in two years so it will be a nice reference,)
Everyone keeps forgetting that Sam Rowe, can actually play forward.
I find it quite comical actually.
Everyone keeps forgetting that Sam Rowe, can actually play forward.
I find it quite comical actually.
Rowe is nowhere near as mobile as Marchbank or Plowman though.
Not sure we will move Rowe away from the back-line, he's just to well suited to the key defensive role.
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As much as I agree with you It's horses for courses.
If we want to move away from Levi in the forward line, we can use Rowe there, provided we don't need him down back.
I am thinking of this argument more so from the perspective of Kruddlers where he stated we need to recruit forwards, why are we recruiting defenders.
The answer is that Rowe is also up there age wise and we need both moving forward.
EDITED: this Sounds more like what I wanted to say regarding Rowe.
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As much as I agree with you It's horses for courses.
If we want to move away from Levi in the forward line, we can use Rowe there, provided we don't need him down back.
I am thinking of this argument more so from the perspective of Kruddlers where he stated we need to recruit forwards, why are we recruiting defenders.
The answer is that Rowe is also up there and we need both.
I think you will find the forward rotations and options far more dynamic than they were in the past, I doubt anyone will be pegged as the go to forward.
Seems we drafted foot skills and pace as a plan and even reached to get some of them.
I have 0 problems with that.
Seems we drafted foot skills and pace as a plan and even reached to get some of them.
I have 0 problems with that.
Agree.
Everyone keeps forgetting that Sam Rowe, can actually play forward.
I find it quite comical actually.
Rowe can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Weitering can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Plowman can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Marchbank can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Jaksch can play forward, but is best as a backman.
White can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Any danger we can get someone who is a better forward than they are a backman?
Not sure we will move Rowe away from the back-line, he's just to well suited to the key defensive role.
When he moves forward, Rowe actually knows where to lead to AND he can kicks straight. I think next year we'll be crash, bash, get it onto the ground.
Rowe can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Weitering can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Plowman can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Marchbank can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Jaksch can play forward, but is best as a backman.
White can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Any danger we can get someone who is a better forward than they are a backman?
I reckon we probably need to see how some the younger blokes go as forwards before we give them permanent labels.
Some of them might prove to be great at either end.
I reckon we probably need to see how some the younger blokes go as forwards before we give them permanent labels.
Some of them might prove to be great at either end.
As well they might, as SOS was himself.
If you are going to build a side, and you need a forward. You draft a forward, you don't draft a defender who might be just as good as a forward.
Just look at the way SOSOS goes about it. Pure forward. He does a quick shimmy here and he is in open space for long enough to throw the boot at it. Thats what we need from our forwards.
We tried it with Jaksch....failed.
We going to try it with Plowman, Marchbank and Weitering as well?
As well they might, as SOS was himself.
If you are going to build a side, and you need a forward. You draft a forward, you don't draft a defender who might be just as good as a forward.
Just look at the way SOSOS goes about it. Pure forward. He does a quick shimmy here and he is in open space for long enough to throw the boot at it. Thats what we need from our forwards.
We tried it with Jaksch....failed.
We going to try it with Plowman, Marchbank and Weitering as well?
Seems we are. ;)
I just don't think players who have less than 30-40 games in them should be pigeon-holed.
The game is full of players who started in one position and excelled at others.
In fact versatility is probably a huge advantage when building a side.
It takes out the predictability.
No need to panic the rebuild will evolve and if history repeats itself we will take a tall KPF next year. This adds to the all Australian KPF we added this year and Harry from last year would make three. Assuming of course they all become genuine players we should be okay.
I personally want a sustained period of success so if that means it takes longer so be it.
Where is the 2016 Premiership CHF best suited to play? And was drafted as..
Where is the 2016 Premiership CHF best suited to play? And was drafted as..
You mean the bloke who kicked less than a goal a game in his 9 games this year?
Rowe can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Weitering can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Plowman can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Marchbank can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Jaksch can play forward, but is best as a backman.
White can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Any danger we can get someone who is a better forward than they are a backman?
I agree we've gone a bit "swing man" crazy but Curnow / McKay / Silvagni / Casboult are all forwards. Curnow is a full forward. Cannot see him as a mid at all. Can't wait to see him develop.
Go to the CFC website and watch/listen to the interview with Ed Curnow where he talks about the new draftees. Key points (most poignant for me) he makes about them are:
- Fast
- Clean hands
- Healthy competition for spots
Speaks volumes of the state and direction of the list for mine.
We were chronically short of midfielders. There seems to be a bit better balance to the list post draft. Hoping SPS can play round 1. Palmer for sure and maybe a Pickett hopefully... though he looks chunky at this early stage.
I agree we've gone a bit "swing man" crazy but Curnow / McKay / Silvagni / Casboult are all forwards. Curnow is a full forward. Cannot see him as a mid at all. Can't wait to see him develop.
Rowe was a forward at Norwood, pure & simple. At CFC he's plugged holes. he played 90 odd games for Norwood and kicked 120 odd goals...... better return than most on our list!
Rowe was a forward at Norwood, pure & simple. At CFC he's plugged holes. he played 90 odd games for Norwood and kicked 120 odd goals...... better return than most on our list!
Yep played CHF and did a bit of rucking, better ruckman than given credit for and is a reasonably straight kick for goal.....squeeze is going to be on down back with Marchbank coming into the team and I'd prefer Weitering to stay down back and Rowe to be moved forward if we need another option especially as Harry McKay probably needs some time to develop in the NB's after missing most of last season..
With Byrne out till the middle of the season it will be interesting to see if we promote a rookie and who....my tip is they didnt recruit Alex Silvagni to play too many n the NB's and he might end up in the seniors earlier than expected..
Of course, few years ago we had a young blonde No 36 who played off a half back flank and he turned into a fairly handy Centre Half Forward!!
Of course, few years ago we had a young blonde No 36 who played off a half back flank and he turned into a fairly handy Centre Half Forward!!
A fairly robust individual was No 36..dont think Weitering for example is as durable and needs to be managed in a more conservative fashion at least early in his career...
Rowe was a forward at Norwood, pure & simple. At CFC he's plugged holes. he played 90 odd games for Norwood and kicked 120 odd goals...... better return than most on our list!
You're right FB, Rowe may just be the one to go forward with Silvagni (COS) coming into the defence. This would cover us until the younger guys develop and allow Levi to be tried as a Forward/Ruck?
You're right FB, Rowe may just be the one to go forward with Silvagni (COS) coming into the defence. This would cover us until the younger guys develop and allow Levi to be tried as a Forward/Ruck?
I know Rowe did a decent job as a fill in forward/ruck when Kreuzer and Casboult were injured but he really hasn't been a success when tried as a permanent forward. You certainly couldn't have Rowe and Casboult in the same forward line.
Rowe's best work is done minding the opposition's key forward and that's where he should stay. Our other tall/medium defenders like White, Weitering and probably Marchbank would be better options as forwards.
Rowe can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Weitering can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Plowman can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Marchbank can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Jaksch can play forward, but is best as a backman.
White can play forward, but is best as a backman.
Any danger we can get someone who is a better forward than they are a backman?
I see what you did there...
Where's Fev ?
????????
I know Rowe did a decent job as a fill in forward/ruck when Kreuzer and Casboult were injured but he really hasn't been a success when tried as a permanent forward. You certainly couldn't have Rowe and Casboult in the same forward line.
Rowe's best work is done minding the opposition's key forward and that's where he should stay. Our other tall/medium defenders like White, Weitering and probably Marchbank would be better options as forwards.
Tend to agree DJC
I know Rowe did a decent job as a fill in forward/ruck when Kreuzer and Casboult were injured but he really hasn't been a success when tried as a permanent forward. You certainly couldn't have Rowe and Casboult in the same forward line.
Rowe's best work is done minding the opposition's key forward and that's where he should stay. Our other tall/medium defenders like White, Weitering and probably Marchbank would be better options as forwards.
You could be right about Rowe DJC , but we really haven't been delivering the ball consistently well into F50 for a looong time so any forward would find it tough. With an improved midfield that could well change. WRT Levi, his biggest problem is his kicking as we all know, so however well F50 delivery may be improved that would be of no use in his case if he can't improve in that area. He may well do that but we need a plan B if he doesn't.
Having Rowe as another viable forward option would only be a good thing IMO.
Bolton...."Why all the backmen SOS. Don't we need forwards?"
SOS ... "I was fullback of the century I just like defenders!"
These guys have a plan, a strategy, that's a lot more complicated than this.
They'll be pretty aware of how existing players and the new recruits will fit into the side and the roles they will play.
Those roles may differ significantly from our perceptions of who's a defender and who is not.
The drafting of these players will have been done with a lot more thinking than..."You can never have too many backmen"
We're looking at this from a distance.
They're looking at it from the inside.... with months of preparation, discussion and decision.
You could be right about Rowe DJC , but we really haven't been delivering the ball consistently well into F50 for a looong time so any forward would find it tough. With an improved midfield that could well change. WRT Levi, his biggest problem is his kicking as we all know, so however well F50 delivery may be improved that would be of no use in his case if he can't improve in that area. He may well do that but we need a plan B if he doesn't.
Having Rowe as another viable forward option would only be a good thing IMO.
It would definitely be a good thing but I just can't see it happening.
Casboult's goal kicking wouldn't be as much of an issue if he played further up the ground. Of course, that means that we have to have genuine marking options and genuine crumbers dominating the hot spot. Come on down Harry McKay, Patrick Kerr, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jarrod Pickett . . .
It will be interesting to see how our forward line is structured next season, not to mention running patterns and ball movement. Bolts said he was happy with our defence and the next step was to fix the forward line. I can't wait for the first game :)
You mean the bloke who kicked less than a goal a game in his 9 games this year?
Premiership player Zayne Cordy... yep him.
Again I don't understand the negative posts here. For the posts complaining about a lack of forward drafting, we took three tall forwards last season. If one more person say Charlie Curnow is a midfielder i'll lose my sh1t. He moves like a forward, marks and kicks like a forward and has never played midfield in his footy career. He was going to play midfield in his last season at U18's but got injured.
We got another tall forward this year and will get another one next season Ben Silvagni. Surely that's enough for now.
We need mids who have speed and can kick and that's what we got.
Look at the last 4 premiers, their forward lines may have some height up there but the damage is done with small flankers, and their midfield collectively on had Bontempelli a the big mid although Roughead did swing through there for Hawthorn.
I don't know how many of you looked at the draft but there wasn't much on offer for big forwards or big bodied mids. Brodie was about the only class one and there are very big questions over his ability to play two way football. SPS and Fisher are known for their defensive run
Again I don't understand the negative posts here. For the posts complaining about a lack of forward drafting, we took three tall forwards last season. If one more person say Charlie Curnow is a midfielder i'll lose my sh1t. He moves like a forward, marks and kicks like a forward and has never played midfield in his footy career. He was going to play midfield in his last season at U18's but got injured.
We got another tall forward this year and will get another one next season Ben Silvagni. Surely that's enough for now.
We need mids who have speed and can kick and that's what we got.
Look at the last 4 premiers, their forward lines may have some height up there but the damage is done with small flankers, and their midfield collectively on had Bontempelli a the big mid although Roughead did swing through there for Hawthorn.
I don't know how many of you looked at the draft but there wasn't much on offer for big forwards or big bodied mids. Brodie was about the only class one and there are very big questions over his ability to play two way football. SPS and Fisher are known for their defensive run
Well put Raydan. I said before the draft I wanted to see speed and speed we got, as well as a few talls to boot. I'm happy.
Again I don't understand the negative posts here. For the posts complaining about a lack of forward drafting, we took three tall forwards last season. If one more person say Charlie Curnow is a midfielder i'll lose my sh1t. He moves like a forward, marks and kicks like a forward and has never played midfield in his footy career. He was going to play midfield in his last season at U18's but got injured.
We got another tall forward this year and will get another one next season Ben Silvagni. Surely that's enough for now.
We need mids who have speed and can kick and that's what we got.
Look at the last 4 premiers, their forward lines may have some height up there but the damage is done with small flankers, and their midfield collectively on had Bontempelli a the big mid although Roughead did swing through there for Hawthorn.
I don't know how many of you looked at the draft but there wasn't much on offer for big forwards or big bodied mids. Brodie was about the only class one and there are very big questions over his ability to play two way football. SPS and Fisher are known for their defensive run
I agree with you on the kpf's we picked up last year and this and next... however they will all need various amounts of development, I was surprised that we didn't look to a stopgap for 20-50 games, Schultz, Stewart or as it turns out the unlovable Richards...
My only thoughts are that, a bit like last year we are managing expectations... we do have a much improved defense, we will have an improving midfield going forward but, we will struggle to kick winning scores this year and maybe next.
That will give Bolts and SOS the task of selling those positives whilst being able to continue to access probably two more drafts with low draft picks.
High risk, high reward, if the picks mostly come on, we win and could contend, if SOS strikes out however the blowtorch will be out with a vengeance...
Again I don't understand the negative posts here. For the posts complaining about a lack of forward drafting, we took three tall forwards last season. If one more person say Charlie Curnow is a midfielder i'll lose my sh1t. He moves like a forward, marks and kicks like a forward and has never played midfield in his footy career. He was going to play midfield in his last season at U18's but got injured.
We got another tall forward this year and will get another one next season Ben Silvagni. Surely that's enough for now.
We need mids who have speed and can kick and that's what we got.
Look at the last 4 premiers, their forward lines may have some height up there but the damage is done with small flankers, and their midfield collectively on had Bontempelli a the big mid although Roughead did swing through there for Hawthorn.
I don't know how many of you looked at the draft but there wasn't much on offer for big forwards or big bodied mids. Brodie was about the only class one and there are very big questions over his ability to play two way football. SPS and Fisher are known for their defensive run
Very good points Ray but Hawthorn did have Lance Franklin and Roughead did more than swing through the forward line.
I think that the comments about Charlie Curnow playing as a midfielder were made in order to pump up his tyres prior to the draft. They have been seized upon by some supporters who want "big-bodied mids". Charlie is an elite mark and he will make his name as a forward who pushes up the ground to provide a marking target and to win contested marks from opposition kicks - a bit like Jarrad Waite at his best. If that's playing midfield, then he will be a midfielder.
I reckon that our list has real potential and that potential will be realised in 2017 with more wins than this season :)
Injury free (and a big touch wood), guys who will be big improvers for us in 2017:
1. Sumner - had a cursed run at GWS....his time is now.
2. Plowman - see Sumner.
3. Weitering - a year in, we'll see how good this guy really is.
4. SPS (new guy) - will play Rd 1 and make the midfield gig look like a cakewalk. He and Fisher will take an enormous amount of heat off Murphy, Gibbs and Cripps...
5. Curnow C. - a real utility but ultimately a roaming forward with a huge engine! CHF for a decade...
6. Murphy - back to his best with some extra help in the guts. Likely to play a more outside role.
7. Harry Mc - plonk him next to Levi and leave him there!
8. Kerridge - lacks a bit of polish but still young, will improve, a tireless worker and if used forward of centre can be very damaging on the scoreboard.
9. Pickett (new guy) - you don't get taken at #4 in a draft without very good reason. Ran a 2.87 in the 20m run. Will be 21 next year, been in the system a couple of years now and he has a bit to prove....
10. Andrew Phillips - just seems like a real competitor.
There is plenty of potential there for sure.
Our defence will be just as good as last year. Probably better.
We have added strength and speed to the midfield.
The forward department may still battle to kick a lot of winning scores, but a fit Charlie C and a fit Jack S with another year on their ages will start to become better players and hard to handle if the ball is delivered properly.
We can't expect much from Patrick Kerr yet and I expect Harry McKay to take at least another season before he makes much of an impact.
With the players that we have bought in this year I reckon we are in front of the 2016 list and will climb up the ladder 2 or 3 places.
We have to hope for injury free seasons for Kreuser and Phillips or we will have trouble in the ruck department though.
There is plenty of potential there for sure.
Our defence will be just as good as last year. Probably better.
We have added strength and speed to the midfield.
The forward department may still battle to kick a lot of winning scores, but a fit Charlie C and a fit Jack S with another year on their ages will start to become better players and hard to handle if the ball is delivered properly.
We can't expect much from Patrick Kerr yet and I expect Harry McKay to take at least another season before he makes much of an impact.
With the players that we have bought in this year I reckon we are in front of the 2016 list and will climb up the ladder 2 or 3 places.
We have to hope for injury free seasons for Kreuser and Phillips or we will have trouble in the ruck department though.
I'll beg to differ on Harry. He's the hungry for it type.....
Plenty of small forward options now too - arguably too many@!
Lamb, Sumner, Polson, LeBois, Gallucci, Pickett, Fisher, Wright (the latter more a HFF defensive forward type).
My negativity stems from the Alex Silvagni decision.
I can make sense of everything aside from putting him on the rookie list. He is a similar size as Simon White ffs, and i think going younger would have been more beneficial for us at this stage.
I think that the comments about Charlie Curnow playing as a midfielder were made in order to pump up his tyres prior to the draft.
Charlie spent about 50% game time in the midfield rotations for several TAC games. He started off standing an opposition big bodied mid then ended up being the one getting shadowed. For his size he proved to be unexpectedly agile and won a lot of ball, it came natural to him.
Very happy to see Ciaran Sheehan, sorry if the spelling is wrong, being re-listed as a rookie.
Suffered severe Ostiitis pubis, can't spell that either, but is apparently over it.
I reckon he's got loads of untapped potential and in my opinion, would have been a much better player than Zac Touhey, but probably not as good as Ciaran Byrne.
I hope he gets his chance to show us something this year.
Charlie spent about 50% game time in the midfield rotations for several TAC games. He started off standing an opposition big bodied mid then ended up being the one getting shadowed. For his size he proved to be unexpectedly agile and won a lot of ball, it came natural to him.
Charlie played four games before dislocating his patella in the 5th. He played primarily as a key forward and kicked 8 goals in his four full games. He also played as a ruckman and, in one game, kicked three goals, had 11 disposals, six tackles and 18 hitouts. I can't see him playing as a ruckman or a midfielder with us.
It is one of the disappointments of this year's draft that just as Charlie Curnow looked set to try his hand at a midfield role his season was interrupted by injury.
The Geelong Falcon started the season seen as a combative and dangerous forward prospect, but the plan was always to throw him into the midfield to see what he could produce.
Then injury struck, and a dislocated kneecap ruled him out of action for three months, including the mid-year NAB AFL Under-18 Championships with Vic Country. Although at stages it appeared he would not return as opinions swung on the damage sustained in the injury, Curnow came back for the Falcons' final five games of the season and impressed.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-26/29-days-to-the-draft-meet-contested-beast-charlie-curnow
Charlie played as a key forward in his last five TAC games.
I think that the most relevant player comparison is with Jake Stringer. He was supposed to be a "big bodied mid" but, as we know, has made his name as a shorter key forward.
I have Charlie Curnow pegged more as a Kouta utility type who will play a lot of roles...he is too good an athlete to be left going cold down forward...sure he will play there at times but I see him running on the ball as well so he can use that athletic ability to be a marking target from kickouts etc
Kerr at FF, Harry Mac at CHF and SOSOS as the third tall forward is how I see the Forward line setup on a more consistent basis...
Charlie played four games before dislocating his patella in the 5th. He played primarily as a key forward and kicked 8 goals in his four full games. He also played as a ruckman and, in one game, kicked three goals, had 11 disposals, six tackles and 18 hitouts. I can't see him playing as a ruckman or a midfielder with us.
Charlie played as a key forward in his last five TAC games.
I think that the most relevant player comparison is with Jake Stringer. He was supposed to be a "big bodied mid" but, as we know, has made his name as a shorter key forward.
I notice with Stringer that he often strays down to the midfield and also often plays like a mid in the forward zone. I'll be happy if Charlie plays like him tbh!
I have Charlie Curnow pegged more as a Kouta utility type who will play a lot of roles...he is too good an athlete to be left going cold down forward...sure he will play there at times but I see him running on the ball as well so he can use that athletic ability to be a marking target from kickouts etc
Kerr at FF, Harry Mac at CHF and SOSOS as the third tall forward is how I see the Forward line setup on a more consistent basis...
Hard to argue with your logic EB1. He should become a very good player. Potential to be elite, I recall some saying he could even be the best out of last year's crop (noting a lot of players are often touted as 'the best').
Charlie played four games before dislocating his patella in the 5th. He played primarily as a key forward and kicked 8 goals in his four full games. He also played as a ruckman and, in one game, kicked three goals, had 11 disposals, six tackles and 18 hitouts. I can't see him playing as a ruckman or a midfielder with us.
Charlie played as a key forward in his last five TAC games.
I think that the most relevant player comparison is with Jake Stringer. He was supposed to be a "big bodied mid" but, as we know, has made his name as a shorter key forward.
That sort of fits with what I said DJC, the main game I saw him standing a massive on-baller it could well have been a Kreuzer type mobile ruckmen.
Sure it was against Ballarat Rebels and Curnow quickly made himself more dangerous as an attacking option rather than a minder. But it would have been early in the season and I recall Curnow wasn't fit(looked flabby, baby fat), he didn't spend long periods on the ball just short bursts then off or resting forward.
I remember this because I thought he was among the best but didn't play the next three or four games. I reckon he played early then was out, which contradicts what you have found reported. I put that down to fitness at the time, I didn't notice any injury.
The sooner we realise the old FF,CHF, Winger, FB positions are obsolete in this game, the better we will be at not pigeonholing players to certain roles based on height weight etc.
Mid's are supposedly getting bigger and KPF's smaller. Talent, Competitiveness, disposal and decision making are what makes a good football team.
The sooner we realise the old FF,CHF, Winger, FB positions are obsolete in this game, the better we will be at not pigeonholing players to certain roles based on height weight etc.
Mid's are supposedly getting bigger and KPF's smaller. Talent, Competitiveness, disposal and decision making are what makes a good football team.
Yep, footy is now a game of dynamic mobility and fast changing situations rather than the fixed positions of yesteryear. A bit like comparing blitzkrieg to trench warfare.
The sooner we realise the old FF,CHF, Winger, FB positions are obsolete in this game, the better we will be at not pigeonholing players to certain roles based on height weight etc.
Mid's are supposedly getting bigger and KPF's smaller. Talent, Competitiveness, disposal and decision making are what makes a good football team.
It's not so much height and weight but reflexes, lateral movement, acceleration, core strength, etc. And I'm not so sure KPFs are getting smaller; some of the current crop are taller than the biggest ruckmen of the last century.
I reported my conversation with Ed Curnow earlier this year in which he said that Charlie was an elite mark (and we've seen some of that). That should overcome his (relative) lack of height and enable him to become a damaging lead up forward and KPF.
Some positions are about pure nous.....Tory Dickson is no Charlie Curnow in terms of athletic ability and no Fev in terms of flair or strength. He just reads the game well like all good forwards and relies on rat cunning to get on his own and more often that not he is 20-40m in front of goal with the easy kick.
Charlie Curnow would be a waste at FF IMO in the modern game...we need a bloke with his X factor getting the ball down forward, taking the match saving mark down back or winning the big contest in the middle of the ground..like a Kouta or Bontempelli...in terms of pure talent Charlie Curnow is probably the best player on the list and we need to maximise his value not waste it...
The sooner we realise the old FF,CHF, Winger, FB positions are obsolete in this game, the better we will be at not pigeonholing players to certain roles based on height weight etc.
Mid's are supposedly getting bigger and KPF's smaller. Talent, Competitiveness, disposal and decision making are what makes a good football team.
Isn't this how the Doggies won the flag? Kaos theory everywhere, fast hands all the time and relentless pressure all over the ground! :o
Some positions are about pure nous.....Tory Dickson is no Charlie Curnow in terms of athletic ability and no Fev in terms of flair or strength. He just reads the game well like all good forwards and relies on rat cunning to get on his own and more often that not he is 20-40m in front of goal with the easy kick.
Charlie Curnow would be a waste at FF IMO in the modern game...we need a bloke with his X factor getting the ball down forward, taking the match saving mark down back or winning the big contest in the middle of the ground..like a Kouta or Bontempelli...in terms of pure talent Charlie Curnow is probably the best player on the list and we need to maximise his value not waste it...
I like the idea of Kerr out of FF, he is disciplined, will take instructions well, isn't afraid to throw around some weight and will create space for team-mates. Further he is quite strong for his size, he probably demands a better opponent than most might otherwise think.
Again I don't understand the negative posts here. For the posts complaining about a lack of forward drafting, we took three tall forwards last season. If one more person say Charlie Curnow is a midfielder i'll lose my sh1t. He moves like a forward, marks and kicks like a forward and has never played midfield in his footy career. He was going to play midfield in his last season at U18's but got injured.
*Hands raydan a bucket*
Curnowfides, is a curnow. Curnows run. Both Ed, and their sister (whose name escapes me at present) are freak athletes who run.
N. Riewoldt can outdo most mids with his running ability. He has rarely been played as a FF because to do so would waste his running ability.
Putting Curnowfides at FF is a waste.
Having him at CHF is a better option. However, i prefer him to play on a wing. N. Riewoldt has moved to a wing in the twilight of his career and is causing headaches. Richo moved to the wing in the twilight of his career and caused havoc too. One of the best games Jarrad Waite played in navy blue was when we moved him onto the wing to try and quell a rampaging Richo. He matched and beat him kicking 3 goals IIRC and the tigers had no answer for him....like most didn't with Richo.
I see Charlie more like an Everitt type. Plays better as a running player rather than a key target.
If we choose to play him forward, i don't want it to be as a key forward. SOSOS has limited options as to where he plays, but has 3rd forward nailed. Do we want Curnow to be a 4th? I'd prefer him on a wing.
*Hands raydan a bucket*
Curnowfides, is a curnow. Curnows run. Both Ed, and their sister (whose name escapes me at present) are freak athletes who run.
N. Riewoldt can outdo most mids with his running ability. He has rarely been played as a FF because to do so would waste his running ability.
Putting Curnowfides at FF is a waste.
Having him at CHF is a better option. However, i prefer him to play on a wing. N. Riewoldt has moved to a wing in the twilight of his career and is causing headaches. Richo moved to the wing in the twilight of his career and caused havoc too. One of the best games Jarrad Waite played in navy blue was when we moved him onto the wing to try and quell a rampaging Richo. He matched and beat him kicking 3 goals IIRC and the tigers had no answer for him....like most didn't with Richo.
I see Charlie more like an Everitt type. Plays better as a running player rather than a key target.
If we choose to play him forward, i don't want it to be as a key forward. SOSOS has limited options as to where he plays, but has 3rd forward nailed. Do we want Curnow to be a 4th? I'd prefer him on a wing.
Where the Bulldogs play Bontempelli I would play Charlie Curnow.....
*Hands raydan a bucket*
Curnowfides, is a curnow. Curnows run. Both Ed, and their sister (whose name escapes me at present) are freak athletes who run.
N. Riewoldt can outdo most mids with his running ability. He has rarely been played as a FF because to do so would waste his running ability.
Putting Curnowfides at FF is a waste.
Having him at CHF is a better option. However, i prefer him to play on a wing. N. Riewoldt has moved to a wing in the twilight of his career and is causing headaches. Richo moved to the wing in the twilight of his career and caused havoc too. One of the best games Jarrad Waite played in navy blue was when we moved him onto the wing to try and quell a rampaging Richo. He matched and beat him kicking 3 goals IIRC and the tigers had no answer for him....like most didn't with Richo.
I see Charlie more like an Everitt type. Plays better as a running player rather than a key target.
If we choose to play him forward, i don't want it to be as a key forward. SOSOS has limited options as to where he plays, but has 3rd forward nailed. Do we want Curnow to be a 4th? I'd prefer him on a wing.
Thanks for the bucket.
Too many labels and numbers, Charlie is a forward there is no need to put a number on it. A half forward line of C.Curnow McKay and J.Silvagni is great, have the two flanks push up to the wing then run back to forward 50, Jack is more of a set it up forward, Charlie is a target forward and buckets McKay is a massive target forward. Add to that Pickett, SPS, Murphy, Wright etc and we have a solid makings of a forward line. Add a Kerr and or Ben Silvagni and we have depth, versatility and potential to be anything.
Again I don't understand the negative posts here. For the posts complaining about a lack of forward drafting, we took three tall forwards last season. If one more person say Charlie Curnow is a midfielder i'll lose my sh1t. He moves like a forward, marks and kicks like a forward and has never played midfield in his footy career. He was going to play midfield in his last season at U18's but got injured.
We got another tall forward this year and will get another one next season Ben Silvagni. Surely that's enough for now.
We need mids who have speed and can kick and that's what we got.
Look at the last 4 premiers, their forward lines may have some height up there but the damage is done with small flankers, and their midfield collectively on had Bontempelli a the big mid although Roughead did swing through there for Hawthorn.
I don't know how many of you looked at the draft but there wasn't much on offer for big forwards or big bodied mids. Brodie was about the only class one and there are very big questions over his ability to play two way football. SPS and Fisher are known for their defensive run
Just because he leads well, jumping high, marks well and kicks goals - what makes you say he's a forward?
Haven't you heard he has endurance? Must be a midfielder. A Koutafides if you will.
Just because he leads well, jumping high, marks well and kicks goals - what makes you say he's a forward?
Haven't you heard he has endurance? Must be a midfielder. A Koutafides Koutoufides if you will.
Just because he leads well, jumping high, marks well and kicks goals - what makes you say he's a forward?
Haven't you heard he has endurance? Must be a midfielder. A Koutafides if you will.
When was the last time we had someone who lead well, jumped high, marked well and kick goals? :o
When was the last time we had someone who lead well, jumped high, marked well and kick goals? :o
Is that a trick question?
I'll beg to differ on Harry. He's the hungry for it type.....
Plenty of small forward options now too - arguably too many@!
Lamb, Sumner, Polson, LeBois, Gallucci, Pickett, Fisher, Wright (the latter more a HFF defensive forward type).
Fisher on radio explains the clubs plan for him - high half fwd / wing this year. Eventually moving into midfield.
Thanks for the bucket.
Too many labels and numbers, Charlie is a forward there is no need to put a number on it. A half forward line of C.Curnow McKay and J.Silvagni is great, have the two flanks push up to the wing then run back to forward 50, Jack is more of a set it up forward, Charlie is a target forward and buckets McKay is a massive target forward. Add to that Pickett, SPS, Murphy, Wright etc and we have a solid makings of a forward line. Add a Kerr and or Ben Silvagni and we have depth, versatility and potential to be anything.
You mentioned 9 names.
One of them was our captain and premium midfielder. Yes, spend some time forward, but 90% of it in the guts.
Of the other actual 8 we have...
Wright - delisted by adelaide, won our goalkicking with a meager 22 goals. Played 116 games and a known quantity who will be solid without being outstanding. Lock him in.
From the other 7, we have
- 2 players who have played a total of 14 games between them Curnow (6) Silvagni (8)
- 4 players who have yet to actually play a game Pickett, McKay, SPS, Kerr
- 1 player who isn't even on our list yet.
So 7 players with an average of 2 games between them.
Now, plenty of potential amongst them.....but guaranteed nothing.
Don't you think all this talk of depth is a bit premature??
We counted our chickens with KP stock when we recruited Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell etc too :-[
You mentioned 9 names.
One of them was our captain and premium midfielder. Yes, spend some time forward, but 90% of it in the guts.
Of the other actual 8 we have...
Wright - delisted by adelaide, won our goalkicking with a meager 22 goals. Played 116 games and a known quantity who will be solid without being outstanding. Lock him in.
From the other 7, we have
- 2 players who have played a total of 14 games between them Curnow (6) Silvagni (8)
- 4 players who have yet to actually play a game Pickett, McKay, SPS, Kerr
- 1 player who isn't even on our list yet.
So 7 players with an average of 2 games between them.
Now, plenty of potential amongst them.....but guaranteed nothing.
Don't you think all this talk of depth is a bit premature??
We counted our chickens with KP stock when we recruited Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell etc too :-[
x2.
Early draft picks mean SFA until they can prove they can compete at the top level on a regular basis which usually takes 2-3 years. (Weiters is an exemption).
Yes our picks look likely but as Krudder points out we have been down this path before and ended up with players that were that bad we couldn't even trade them out - they were delisted and out of the game. Yet when we selected them we pencilled them in at 10 year key position players.
I like the look of Curnow but he's green, he's raw and very well 'could' be a player and yet has the same chance to simply show glimpses for the next 3-4 years but then be delisted when our patience is out....who knows. Same goes for young Silvagni. He shows some great signs but its way, way, too early to commit to him being a regular AFL player let alone a very good one which too many on here pencil these guys in for.
McKay, Pickett, Kerr, SPS are again all hopeful of being regular AFLs players yet as it stands they are kids with hope...that's it.
This is what happens when you bottom out lose regular but ageing AFL players and go to the draft. Its a very big unknown.
We had to do it and I think we have selected well. Time will tell now if they are worthy of the pick.
The thread title here says " A list full of potential" & thats exactly what we' e got.
We still have a little bit of dead wood to get rid of but no where near as much as we had.
We've got a lot of young kids on our list from the past 2 drafts and trades. From defense to attack, to speed and skill , big SoS and his cohort have added brilliantly to our club.
Its more than likely that 50% of these kids may not make it past 3 years on our list but thats AFL and how far they go is really up to them. Injury will cruel some, homesickness might get others but all I know is ..............
between Bolts and his assistants , we seem to have a real purpose and direction. I no longer feel the "WTF are they doing" .........well no where near as much as I did anyway.
I'm really excited by our list.
They are very young and raw, but I'm really liking how the list is shaping up. Im confident that going forward, we can finally start adding to our group rather than overhauling it again................heres hoping anyway! ???
Go Blues.