Jim Park Medal 2016

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Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #45 – July 30, 2016, 09:59:40 am

Quote from: flyboy77 on July 29, 2016, 11:59:50 pm

if we are ever to become a serious team again, Kreuzer or another needs to be top 5 in B & F every day of the week...

Yes. We do need a ruckman to be a significant contributor.
For that matter, we can't really afford to have a guy who has missed as much football as Murphy as this season to be ensconced firmly in 6th spot. For all that it is good to have a lot of contributors (and we do), we need some of them to take up the mantle and be BOG some weeks.
We ARE getting more contributions from more players, especially more than last year, but we need the depth of talent that some other clubs have and we don't appear to have that yet.

For all that, there are many positive signs in the voting patterns that suggest we are on the way forward.
Last year a LOT of our 'name' players were getting so few votes as to not get to 100 at this point in the season. This year we have fewer 'name' players, but the ones we have either have been injured or are performing.
We have a LOT of new names getting some recognition, mostly our trades.
However, our REAL talent influx, our 2015 draftees, have made very little impact. Weitering has been the only one to get votes regularly. Jack Silvagni and Charlie Curnow have enough votes to indicate a future. But in them, and in McKay and company, we have our future top 10 vote getters. The Carlton NextGen.

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #46 – July 30, 2016, 11:46:56 am

Quote from: flyboy77 on July 29, 2016, 11:59:50 pm

if we are ever to become a serious team again, Kreuzer or another needs to be top 5 in B & F every day of the week...

How many teams would have a ruckman in the top 5 of their B&F? North and Geelong last year off the top of my head. Any others?

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #47 – July 30, 2016, 05:03:59 pm

Quote from: DJC on July 30, 2016, 11:46:56 am

How many teams would have a ruckman in the top 5 of their B&F? North and Geelong last year off the top of my head. Any others?

They may not have been B&F material, but Freo and the Weagles have lived and died with their ruckmen. When NicNat played well, West Coast won. And last year he played well for a lot of games. Similarly, when Freo challenged, Sandilands got the ball a lot. North challenged on the back of serious form from Goldstein. Adelaide prospers on the back of Sauce Jacobs. GWS prospers on the back of Mumford.
Hawthorn appear to be the exception to the rule, but that isn't quite what it seems. Their rucks don't do as much as the others, but they keep their opponents down and provide what Hawthorn wants of them. When Hawthorn are at their best, their rucks are important.

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #48 – August 05, 2016, 10:24:38 am

I've closed off the voting thread for the Hawthorn game. Anyone who still has votes to add, PM me and I will update as necessary.

Rd 19: Carlton vs Hawthorn: so near and yet so far.....
For the 2nd time in Tasmania this year, we have come close to Hawthorn without being able to get the prize or kick many goals. However, we were NOT thrashed by 120 points either. So we are headed in the correct direction.

It was a low voting week with only 13 voters. Not surprising when so few could see the game live or on TV. However, there were 19 voters this time last year. With the game at the MCG this week (and a home game at that) hopefully we will have more voters this week.

The average ranking this week was 8.05, basically a C. That is quite a reasonable result considering that we lost. Hopefully we can win this week!

There were 12 different vote getters for this game, a good figure, especially when I wasn't voting. (

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Votes:
Cripps, Patrick 384
Tuohy, Zach 245
Gibbs, Bryce 186
Docherty, Sam 111
Curnow, Edward 87
Simpson, Kade 81
Kreuzer, Matthew 62
Kerridge, Sam 25
Plowman, Lachlan 19
Wright, Matthew 6
Graham, Nick 6
Silvagni, Jack 6

Cripps was a clear winner this week, as he appears to be coming back into form.

Progressive Voters:
3284 - Docherty, Sam (0)
2881 - Gibbs, Bryce (0)
2433 - Simpson, Kade (0)
2140 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
1762 - Curnow, Edward (0)
945 - Murphy, Marc (0)
872 - Weitering, Jacob (0)
841 - Thomas, Dale (0)
747 - Wright, Matthew (0)
742 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
622 - Rowe, Sam (0)
615 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
488 - Tuohy, Zach (0)
462 - Armfield, Dennis (0)
418 - Byrne, Ciaran (0)
352 - Plowman, Lachlan (0)
328 - White, Simon (0)
270 - Casboult, Levi (0)
181 - Everitt, Andrejs (0)
148 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
124 - Sumner, Liam (0)
123 - Lamb, Jed (0)
120 - Graham, Nick (0)
57 - Curnow, Charles (0)
56 - Walker, Andrew (0)
28 - Jamison, Michael (0)
26 - Silvagni, Jack (0)
23 - Jones, Liam (0)
19 - Boekhorst, Blaine (0)
17 - Buckley, Dylan (0)
8 - Gorringe, Daniel (0)
3 - Whiley, Mark (0)

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #49 – August 12, 2016, 08:03:18 pm

Rd 20: Carlton vs St Kilda
One of our worst performances of the year. The 'Aints killed us, even though we did fix up some of the structural issues from our previous defeat. Not one that the faithful appreciated, as only 14 people bothered to vote. It is 2 more than this time last year, but this time last year was a true disaster.
The rating this week, 5.93, which is close enough to an E, was the lowest of the season. Not a surprise considering. Hopefully we can turn up this week.
As would be expected in a poor performance, there were not many who deserved a vote this week. Only 9 players got a mention. That is about as bad as we get.

Votes:
Simpson, Kade 299
Cripps, Patrick 253
Tuohy, Zach 164
Docherty, Sam 101
Gibbs, Bryce 38
Curnow, Edward 12
Casboult, Levi 10
Silvagni, Jack 10
Rowe, Sam 4

Progressive votes:
3385 - Docherty, Sam (0)
2918 - Gibbs, Bryce (0)
2732 - Simpson, Kade (0)
2393 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
1774 - Curnow, Edward (0)
945 - Murphy, Marc (0)
872 - Weitering, Jacob (0)
841 - Thomas, Dale (0)
747 - Wright, Matthew (0)
742 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
653 - Tuohy, Zach (0)
626 - Rowe, Sam (0)
615 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
462 - Armfield, Dennis (0)
418 - Byrne, Ciaran (0)
352 - Plowman, Lachlan (0)
328 - White, Simon (0)
280 - Casboult, Levi (0)
181 - Everitt, Andrejs (0)
148 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
124 - Sumner, Liam (0)
123 - Lamb, Jed (0)
120 - Graham, Nick (0)
57 - Curnow, Charles (0)
56 - Walker, Andrew (0)
36 - Silvagni, Jack (0)
28 - Jamison, Michael (0)
23 - Jones, Liam (0)
19 - Boekhorst, Blaine (0)
17 - Buckley, Dylan (0)
8 - Gorringe, Daniel (0)
3 - Whiley, Mark (0)

With 2 games to go, the top 4 are set. The order, however, if not. Docherty has a lead, Simmo in 3rd place has almost caught Gibbs in 2nd. Ed Curnow looks comfortable in 5th. Murphy is still 6th even though he has not played in 11 weeks. Behind him Weitering and company have stagnated. In some ways the stagnation of Wright, Kerridge, Thomas and Weitering does show something about the stagnation in our form.

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #50 – August 20, 2016, 08:18:53 pm

Rd 21: Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane: how to throw away a game in one easy lesson.

Not exactly our best effort, against the team that has barely won all year, but we look tired and seriously out of form and structure. A LOT of work to do in the summer, like finding a few more players.

The game being in Brisbane must have effected the voting numbers, as there were 3 less than this time last year. Fair enough. I think most of us are over 2016. I know I am.
The rating was 6.31, more or less an E+. Well, we did dominate the 2nd half.
12 player managed votes this week, an improvement over some of our recent efforts.

Votes:
Cripps, Patrick 284
Curnow, Edward 166
Casboult, Levi 128
Simpson, Kade 105
Gibbs, Bryce 72
Tuohy, Zach 67
White, Simon 44
Silvagni, Jack 36
Kreuzer, Matthew 23
Docherty, Sam 8
Buckley, Dylan 8
Cuningham, David 4

Nice to see Cumingham get a mention for his 22 pressure acts. Cripps was the clear BOG for us, made more impressive by the injury that had him off the ground for periods of the game. Docherty had one of leas effective games of the year,

Progressive Votes:
3394 - Docherty, Sam (0)
2990 - Gibbs, Bryce (0)
2837 - Simpson, Kade (0)
2677 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
1940 - Curnow, Edward (0)
945 - Murphy, Marc (0)
872 - Weitering, Jacob (0)
841 - Thomas, Dale (0)
747 - Wright, Matthew (0)
742 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
720 - Tuohy, Zach (0)
638 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
626 - Rowe, Sam (0)
462 - Armfield, Dennis (0)
418 - Byrne, Ciaran (0)
409 - Casboult, Levi (0)
372 - White, Simon (0)
352 - Plowman, Lachlan (0)
181 - Everitt, Andrejs (0)
148 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
124 - Sumner, Liam (0)
123 - Lamb, Jed (0)
120 - Graham, Nick (0)
72 - Silvagni, Jack (0)
57 - Curnow, Charles (0)
56 - Walker, Andrew (0)
28 - Jamison, Michael (0)
25 - Buckley, Dylan (0)
23 - Jones, Liam (0)
19 - Boekhorst, Blaine (0)
8 - Gorringe, Daniel (0)
5 - Cuningham, David (0)
3 - Whiley, Mark (0)

The top 4 places are yet to be finalized, but they stand out. Murphy is still 6th and he has missed more than half of the year.

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #51 – September 02, 2016, 07:58:57 pm

Rd 22: Carlton vs Melbourne - and I missed it! Damn. Especially considering the what happened next.

This week there were 16 voters, 4 more than this game last year. Hopefully we can do a bit better in the 2nd half of the season in 2017, so we can keep interest in voting: getting voters for horrible losses is always an issue and I understand it. Too horrible to think about let alone reward incompetence.
We, this one was our first win in months - basically since Murphy was injured. That in itself is telling.
The rating this week was 9.08, just a little better than a B.
14 players got a vote this round: very solid. It is what I want to see in 2017!

Votes:
Cripps, Patrick 369
Gibbs, Bryce 312
Simpson, Kade 187
Buckley, Dylan 102
Curnow, Edward 91
Kreuzer, Matthew 79
Docherty, Sam 79
Jones, Liam 51
Graham, Nick 40
Phillips, Andrew 17
Weitering, Jacob 11
Wright, Matthew 11
Cuningham, David 6
Plowman, Lachlan 6

This was, by far, Buckley's best game for the year. It is also the first time in ages that Weitering got some votes, same for Plowman. Liam Jones was also rated as his best effort for 2016.

Progressive Voting:
3473 - Docherty, Sam (0)
3302 - Gibbs, Bryce (0)
3046 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
3024 - Simpson, Kade (0)
2031 - Curnow, Edward (0)
945 - Murphy, Marc (0)
883 - Weitering, Jacob (0)
841 - Thomas, Dale (0)
758 - Wright, Matthew (0)
742 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
720 - Tuohy, Zach (0)
717 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
626 - Rowe, Sam (0)
462 - Armfield, Dennis (0)
418 - Byrne, Ciaran (0)
409 - Casboult, Levi (0)
372 - White, Simon (0)
358 - Plowman, Lachlan (0)
181 - Everitt, Andrejs (0)
165 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
159 - Graham, Nick (0)
127 - Buckley, Dylan (0)
124 - Sumner, Liam (0)
123 - Lamb, Jed (0)
74 - Jones, Liam (0)
72 - Silvagni, Jack (0)
57 - Curnow, Charles (0)
56 - Walker, Andrew (0)
28 - Jamison, Michael (0)
19 - Boekhorst, Blaine (0)
10 - Cuningham, David (0)
8 - Gorringe, Daniel (0)
3 - Whiley, Mark (0)

So, with 1 round to go there are 4 players over 3000 and any of them could win, depending on how that last game goes. After that is Curnow, followed by Daylight..... That is not so good.

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #52 – September 02, 2016, 08:25:39 pm

Rd 23: Carlton vs Essendon: Updated 05/09/2016
What a disaster. Honestly, I cannot think of a worse way to finish the season that to be beaten by the Drug Cheats and so easily. Even though he had 40% more inside 50's.

Voters: not many this week. I guess that is understandable considering how we played.

We had 1 less voter than this game last year.
The rating was [5.51: the worst for the year. This represents LESS than E-, a terrible result against the wooden spooners. In fact, we lost to the bottom 2 teams in the last 3 weeks. Bad.
12 players managed a vote, although few impressed significantly.

Votes:
Cripps, Patrick 246
Gibbs, Bryce 148
Simpson, Kade 138
Wright, Matthew 136
Docherty, Sam 87
Kreuzer, Matthew 30
Weitering, Jacob 17
White, Simon 8
Tuohy, Zach 4
Buckley, Dylan 4
Silvagni, Jack 4
Cuningham, David 4

Final Voting:
3560 - Docherty, Sam (87)
3450 - Gibbs, Bryce (149)
3292 - Cripps, Patrick (246)
3162 - Simpson, Kade (138)
2031 - Curnow, Edward (0)
945 - Murphy, Marc (0)
900 - Weitering, Jacob (17)
894 - Wright, Matthew (136)
841 - Thomas, Dale (0)
747 - Kreuzer, Matthew (30)
742 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
724 - Tuohy, Zach (5)
626 - Rowe, Sam (0)
462 - Armfield, Dennis (0)
418 - Byrne, Ciaran (0)
409 - Casboult, Levi (0)
381 - White, Simon (9)
358 - Plowman, Lachlan (0)
181 - Everitt, Andrejs (0)
165 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
159 - Graham, Nick (0)
132 - Buckley, Dylan (5)
124 - Sumner, Liam (0)
123 - Lamb, Jed (0)
76 - Silvagni, Jack (5)
74 - Jones, Liam (0)
57 - Curnow, Charles (0)
56 - Walker, Andrew (0)
28 - Jamison, Michael (0)
19 - Boekhorst, Blaine (0)
15 - Cuningham, David (5)
8 - Gorringe, Daniel (0)
3 - Whiley, Mark (0)

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #53 – September 02, 2016, 08:53:20 pm

Wow, Ed Curnow is in a league of his own, there is no one within a 1000 votes of him!

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #54 – September 02, 2016, 09:00:05 pm

Jim Park Medal: Updated 05/09/2016
Winner for 2016: Sam Docherty!
Congratulations! A great season and a deserving winner! Docherty won by a mere 110 votes, almost nothing over the season.

2nd: Bryce Gibbs - an excellent effort, especially after Murphy went down.
3rd: Patrick Cripps - less than 200 votes behind after a season with some real ups and down, Cripps got his hands on the ball first more than anyone else! Well done!
4th: Kade Simpson - our 4th player getting over 3000 votes and less than 1 good performance behind the winner. Well done, Simmo.

I expect the John Nicholls Medal to be fought out by these 4 players. Docherty was BOG 4 times. So were Gibbs and Cripps, with 3 to Simpson. Docherty was in our best 5 18 times. Gibbs was in our best 5 17 times. Cripps was in our best 5 13 times. Simpson was in our top 5 15 times. Incredible!

5th: Ed Curnow - an excellent year for our top stopper, who really got a lot of positive ball, especially early in the season. He was about a 1000 votes behind the top 4, but he was very solid. He had 1 BOG and 12 top 5 finishes for the season.

6th: Marc Murphy
7th: Jacob Weitering
8th: Matthew Wright

In some ways this is a bad sign, as Murphy did not play after Round 10, but had he seen the year but he would have been in the top couple. Murphy had 2 BOGs and 3 top 5 finishes.
Wright made it into 8th spot in the last round, an excellent effort from a guy delisted by Adelaide. He had 5 top 5 finishes, but no BOGs.
Weitering is an excellent chance to win our best 1st year player, being in 7th spot for most of the season. He had 1 BOG and 3 top 5 finishes.
There was a difference of 6 votes between Weitering and Wright and 2 late voters contributed.

9th: Thomas
10th: Kreuzer
11th: Kerridge
12th: Tuohy

Thomas had 2 BOGs and 3 top 5 finishes, but he really petered out as the season went on.
Kreuzer did not have any BOGs, but he garnered votes more regularly than Thomas did.
Kerridge had 3 top 5 finishes, but also struggled in the 2nd half of the season.
Tuohy was solid rather than spectacular, with 3 top 5 finishes.

In many ways this season was an improvement. In 2015 we had a lot of highly rated players performing poorly and having very few votes. That was simply not the case this season. The only players of note near the bottom of the rankings were Walker and Jamison, who were crippled with injury and had to retire.
We didn't get a huge amount from our 2015 draftees, but they all had extended periods of injury. Of the 4 who debuted this year, all got a mention. Weitering did best and played the most games, but Cuningham, Curnow and Silvagni all showed something for the future, especially considering their age.

The 2014 draftees, on the other hand, had a very poor year and may not survive the cull.

Thank you to everyone who voted in 2016. This award would not exist without you and your enthusiasm and insight. It has been a better season numerically than 2015 in most aspects. Hopefully more people can vote in 2017 as we continue to improve.
Car'n the Blues!

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #55 – September 02, 2016, 09:18:14 pm

Thanks for your efforts Crash - they are very much appreciated!

There's a lot of interesting factors in the results and, as you point out, Murphy finishing 6th after only 10 games is quite telling.

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #56 – September 02, 2016, 09:30:09 pm

Thanks Crash for all your work in compiling this, a great effort.

Confirmed what we would have thought anecdotally about the top 4. Murph's effort was excellent too considering he only played half the year. Surprised to see Daisy up there tbh but based mainly on his early season efforts. he must have tired as the season wore on. Hopefully he can be more consistent over the full journey next year.

Good to see Weitering make a solid start to his AFL career and Wright proved to be an excellent pick-up for us.

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #57 – September 02, 2016, 09:30:59 pm

Quote from: DJC on September 02, 2016, 09:18:14 pm

Thanks for your efforts Crash - they are very much appreciated!

There's a lot of interesting factors in the results and, as you point out, Murphy finishing 6th after only 10 games is quite telling.

No worries, mate. I'll keep doing it as long as there is enough interest to have it continue.

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #58 – September 02, 2016, 09:49:13 pm

Thanks Crash...great effort...

Daisy was 9th in the Jim Park...if he gets top ten in the B&F that tells you where we are at......

Re: Jim Park Medal 2016

Reply #59 – September 03, 2016, 06:45:55 am

Great work as usual crash.

Thank You.