https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/lynch-set-to-miss-pre-season-games-as-tigers-yet-to-make-ruck-call-20190218-p50yn3.html
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/lynch-set-to-miss-pre-season-games-as-tigers-yet-to-make-ruck-call-20190218-p50yn3.html
Unlikely to play round 1 IMO...cocky Tigers probably think they can take us easy without him and will keep him on ice......just be nice to beat them and
start the season on the front foot..
Cannot underestimate the Nthmond playing list.
The reason they are so hard to coach or play against is that Dimma is almost just a figure head, the players run the show and they are very innovative when it comes to leveraging rule changes! ;)
The only thing that may be a problem for them is that they have been caught out a bit by the AFL's rule changes around rucks, stoppages and general play.
Cannot underestimate the Nthmond playing list.
The reason they are so hard to coach or play against is that Dimma is almost just a figure head, the players run the show and they are very innovative when it comes to leveraging rule changes! ;)
The only thing that may be a problem for them is that they have been caught out a bit by the AFL's rule changes around rucks, stoppages and general play.
I'll keep saying it - reckon they've (in recent times) got the best out of a motley bunch....reckon they've peaked well and truly - Lynch or no Lynch....ruck division non existent - a major weakness imo.
Best players - Dusty (almost 28), Rance (29), Riewoldt (30), Cotchin (almost 29) etc.
Negate Rance and Dusty (not easy granted) but they are entirely beatable.
Midfield - after the top 4 or so (who aren't getting any younger), meh!
- Higgins, Jack 20 19yr 10mth 19 Mar 1999 177cm 76kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield
Forward
45 Naish, Patrick 0 20yr 1mth 15 Jan 1999 182cm 71kg Northern Knights Midfield
Forward
3 Prestia, Dion 130 26yr 4mth 12 Oct 1992 175cm 82kg Calder Cannons Midfield
4 Martin, Dustin 201 27yr 7mth 26 Jun 1991 187cm 92kg Bendigo Pioneers Midfield
6 Grigg, Shaun 214 30yr 9mth 19 Apr 1988 190cm 85kg Nth Ballarat Midfield
9 Cotchin, Trent 220 28yr 10mth 7 Apr 1990 185cm 85kg Northern Knights Midfield
26 Collier-Dawkins, Riley 0 19yr 3 Feb 2000 193cm 88kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield
27 Ross, Jack 0 18yr 5mth 3 Sep 2000 186cm 88kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield
28 Turner, Fraser 0 18yr 1mth 26 Dec 2000 187cm 76kg Clarence Midfield
32 English, Luke 0 18yr 5mth 20 Aug 2000 181cm 79kg Perth Midfield
34 Graham, Jack 23 20yr 11mth 25 Feb 1998 181cm 82kg North Adelaide Midfield
37 Menadue, Connor 33 22yr 4mth 19 Sep 1996 187cm 80kg Western Jets Midfield
10 Edwards, Shane 231 30yr 3mth 25 Oct 1988 182cm 81kg Nth Adelaide Midfield
Forward
22 Caddy, Josh 139 26yr 4mth 28 Sep 1992 186cm 88kg Northern Knights Midfield
Forward
23 Lambert, Kane 74 27yr 2mth 26 Nov 1991
In fairness, I think modern sports medicine has pushed back the boundary regarding peak performance versus age and career length.
34 is now the new 30 in terms of physical abilities, ignoring other factors like a person's mental ability to maintain and persist.
I think one area they are exposed in is a backup ruckman. With the new rules, Grigg wont cut it and they wont risk Lynch. They'll need another tall hanging around which might upset their balance.
In fairness, I think modern sports medicine has pushed back the boundary regarding peak performance versus age and career length.
34 is now the new 30 in terms of physical abilities, ignoring other factors like a person's mental ability to maintain and persist.
Yes, tend to agree with that....look at tennis for example....
I think one area they are exposed in is a backup ruckman. With the new rules, Grigg wont cut it and they wont risk Lynch. They'll need another tall hanging around which might upset their balance.
Let's hope so, of course our guys have to cross the white line fit and healthy!
I'm probably echoing most people's thoughts in saying that I can imagine us winning this, but can equally imagine getting trounced.
If Kreuzer plays, you'd think that would give us an edge over them with the new rules and our good centre clearance record from last year. Obviously, having first use and the extra space to get it forward should help the three talls to actually kick a score.
On the other hand, our defence really worries me. I re-watched last year's round 1 game again last night and, jeez, we let them have such an open forward set up and Weiters, Jones, Marchbank and Plowman looked completely lost, out of position and slow for much of the time. I'd be going with more of a man-on-man approach this time, which means having some pacier smalls. I'd actually try Polson down there, rather than forward, and O'Brien. Newman will also be crucial. If we can give Richmond the idea that the ball can come bouncing back out with some purpose, that might make them play less frenetically.
Reckon it will be a high-scoring game. We'll win if we stick tight in defence. If they open us up there, we'll get flogged.
I'll keep saying it - reckon they've (in recent times) got the best out of a motley bunch....reckon they've peaked well and truly - Lynch or no Lynch....ruck division non existent - a major weakness imo.
Best players - Dusty (almost 28), Rance (29), Riewoldt (30), Cotchin (almost 29) etc.
Negate Rance and Dusty (not easy granted) but they are entirely beatable.
Midfield - after the top 4 or so (who aren't getting any younger), meh!
Ponder this. We had them 5 goals to nothing rnd 1 last year, got a few injuries and ran out of steam. We will be a better side round 1 this year, will they? If we can stay in games longer and score more goals from fwd entries. we may just surprise/trouble a few sides.
Ponder this. We had them 5 goals to nothing rnd 1 last year, got a few injuries and ran out of steam. We will be a better side round 1 this year, will they? If we can stay in games longer and score more goals from fwd entries. we may just surprise/trouble a few sides.
I reckon (yes, always a glass 3/4 full type) but we will be a much better side this year.
A better,stronger, deeper midfield, some good new mature types (Newman, fasolo, McGovern) who fill recognised gaps in our list, the younger blokes a year older, wiser and stronger and some serious targets up forward who can play footy.
And a tough as, man mountain of a Captain.
I hope Matty K gets up for Rd 1 but don't want him playing if underdone.
(Fit) Kreuzer, Cripps, (Fit) Kennedy and Setterfield is going to be a very strong centre bounce proposition.
Having said that Nank, Dusty, Edwards and Cotchin isn't too bad either.
Will be interesting to see how our midfield unit progresses over the course of the season... provided they can all stay fit.
Ruck is a big advantage for us as Nank is not that tall (or good) and he is on his own. Even Phillips would dominate him in centre hitouts.
Also really looking forward to seeing how our forward line goes with the new rules in place. Not being outnumbered (at least at centre bounces) will be a different experience for those guys.
he is listed at 199cm, Matty K at 200!
But agreed, Kreuzer is a few classes above...
Matt Kennedy and Setterfield will both become bloody good players, the latter potentially elite...
Kennedy had a crappy preseason last year (shoulder issues) then did his foot? in Rd 1 in Q2 - wasn't any good again till the last handful of games.
People who assess CFC on their 2018 'form' are missing the point.
2017 is right benchmark (Doc out notwithstanding) - 2019 will be a step up from 2017 imo. And some.
I expect a 10-12th finish.
he is listed at 199cm, Matty K at 200!
But agreed, Kreuzer is a few classes above...
And Kreuzer had a shocker of a season last year and a knee this preseason. Need a bit to go our way even on this front.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-19/why-666-rule-could-force-tigers-into-a-radical-shakeup
Interesting to note the Tigs basically never played 6-6-6 last year. Ever.
Their whole game is build around 7 or 8 players in the backline - set up that way an amazing 83% of the time.
Hopefully the new rule disorientates them a bit.
This 6-6-6 rule has to benefit us surely.
In the middle we have Crippa / Kennedy / Setterfield to get the hard ball.
Samo / Fisher / Dow to get a clean break away.
For a few moments we have an open forward line with Harry / Charlie / Gov to lead to space or clunk a contested mark.
Have we finally lead the way and got ourselves into prime position to take advantage of the new rules? Maybe a fluke, maybe good planning, but I can't see how this doesn't helps us.
What we really need to also take advantage of is the kicking in from a point. Not sure who our best option is there. We want someone fast, with good decision making, and nice foot skills. I dunno - just chucking a few names out there, but maybe O'brien / Simmo / Newman ?
This 6-6-6 rule has to benefit us surely.
In the middle we have Crippa / Kennedy / Setterfield to get the hard ball.
Samo / Fisher / Dow to get a clean break away.
For a few moments we have an open forward line with Harry / Charlie / Gov to lead to space or clunk a contested mark.
Have we finally lead the way and got ourselves into prime position to take advantage of the new rules? Maybe a fluke, maybe good planning, but I can't see how this doesn't helps us.
What we really need to also take advantage of is the kicking in from a point. Not sure who our best option is there. We want someone fast, with good decision making, and nice foot skills. I dunno - just chucking a few names out there, but maybe O'brien / Simmo / Newman ?
Schumacher....
Schumacher....
Yes lovely kick, a bit inexperienced but has the skills.
Yes lovely kick, a bit inexperienced but has the skills.
Maybe the day will come when the kicker in (ala NFL footy) kicks and does nothing else! :o
Yes lovely kick, a bit inexperienced but has the skills.
At 0.50 in - lands in the centre square to advantage!
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2017-11-24/angus-schumacher-highlights-pick-70
A few people on here seem to rate Angus. Highlights look good (thanks for posting that link). Anyone seen him play and think he might make it?
This 6-6-6 rule has to benefit us surely.
In the middle we have Crippa / Kennedy / Setterfield to get the hard ball.
Samo / Fisher / Dow to get a clean break away.
For a few moments we have an open forward line with Harry / Charlie / Gov to lead to space or clunk a contested mark.
Have we finally lead the way and got ourselves into prime position to take advantage of the new rules? Maybe a fluke, maybe good planning, but I can't see how this doesn't helps us.
What we really need to also take advantage of is the kicking in from a point. Not sure who our best option is there. We want someone fast, with good decision making, and nice foot skills. I dunno - just chucking a few names out there, but maybe O'brien / Simmo / Newman ?
There was some discussion of the impact of the 6-6-6 rule during the AFLW game. It was suggested that good centre clearance teams will have an advantage if they can get the ball out of the square before the opposition gets more players behind the ball. It will be only a matter of seconds so our defensive option must be to keep the ball in the square.
I would expect Simmo to continue to take the bulk of the kick ins.
For me the tactics will simply evolve slightly from the get go.
What will be interesting is what happens mid game as players tire and what that means for where they start at the next bounce.
The coaches who want 7 in the back line have probably already worked out how to make it happen pretty much straight away anyhow.
I expect teams will send "tackling crews" in after the opposition score a goal, especially if they have a couple in a row and they need to arrest the momentum. These guys will just ensure the ball is killed and by the time the secondary ball up occurs they will have 7 or 8 in defensive 50
The coaches who want 7 in the back line have probably already worked out how to make it happen pretty much straight away anyhow.
Just get your 7th defender to stand on the 50m line.
However, it seems that the major consequence of 6-6-6 is that only four extra players will be able to get into the square immediately the ball is bounced. That should give good clearance teams an extra couple of seconds to get the ball into space and kick inside 50. Having one of your centre 6 rushing into the defensive 50 will create another advantage for the opposition.
The make up of the four players who start in the square will be interesting - and we will have an advantage if Kreuzer can get back on the park. Our other rucks just don't have a second effort when the ball hits the ground. I am thinking that most teams will play only one defensive mid - unless they are leaking centre clearances - and I'm not sure that being too defensive will pay off.
It will be interesting to see what tactics have been developed over the off season and even more interesting to see which coaches have come up with tactics that work. I suspect that club operatives have spent a bit of time at other clubs' training sessions.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fasolo-on-fast-road-back-set-to-play-jlt-20190219-p50yw2.html
Carlton recruit Alex Fasolo has made a remarkable comeback from his fractured arm and is now set to play for the Blues in the JLT series.
Fasolo has had the brace removed from his arm and has joined in match simulation at the club in recent days. He is expected to play in the JLT practice match series, most likely in the second week of the practice matches.
"Carlton recruit Alex Fasolo has made a remarkable comeback from his fractured arm and is now set to play for the Blues in the JLT series.
Fasolo has had the brace removed from his arm and has joined in match simulation at the club in recent days. He is expected to play in the JLT practice match series, most likely in the second week of the practice matches."
Remarkable recovery! I wonder what treatment he was on ... or does he just have fast knitting bones?
That means we're missing Doc, Pickett, Kreuzer and Marchbank ... and we're not sure about Williamson. Kreuzer and Marchbank should be right to go by Round 1, if not in the JLT series.
Faz available for JLT..... is that a speedy recovery or what?
I'm not complaining of course. I hope this is a sign for things to come.
How would it be if our boys returned sooner rather than later (and fully fit) from injury instead of vice versa ::)
A few people on here seem to rate Angus. Highlights look good (thanks for posting that link). Anyone seen him play and think he might make it?
As others have said he is a good kick but is another rebound defender type IMO and not a lock down defender, we cant afford too many defenders
who dont defend as their first priority and the times I have seen him play he gets too far away from his man. He almost looks like he would make a good tall winger and maybe he can
be moved upfield in the NB's for some further education.
As others have said he is a good kick but is another rebound defender type IMO and not a lock down defender, we cant afford too many defenders
who dont defend as their first priority and the times I have seen him play he gets too far away from his man. He almost looks like he would make a good tall winger and maybe he can
be moved upfield in the NB's for some further education.
I think he along with Williamson will be first choice replacements for Marchbank, however Schumacher will certainly be the kick in man if he plays and it is a slow restart. It will be interesting to see how clubs manage this under the new rules because time is going to be everything.
I can see that holding up the kicker in some way will become a priority for opposition forwards, the only way to do this without penalty appears to be start the niggle before they get around to picking up the footy.
Coast is clear now to countdown to the big game.
I finished the last 2-3 games last year watching from Europe and I get to do that again. This time from Budapest!
Looks like Kreuzer is out and Philips in for round 1...
Looks like Kreuzer is out and Philips in for round 1...
Be folly to play Kreuzer without any match form....
What a surprise... Not.
You'd think no Lynch, no Grigg, no Caddy and perhaps no Castagna and Townsend...
(Richmond) Player
Injury
Estimated Return
Josh Caddy Ankle 3-7 weeks
Jason Castagna Ankle 1-2 weeks
Ryan Garthwaite Achilles 1-2 weeks
Shaun Grigg Knee Indefinite
Dylan Grimes Corked glute Test
Tom Lynch PCL 2-4 weeks
Jacob Townsend Thigh 1-2 weeks
Nick Vlastuin Jarred knee Test
Updated: Tuesday, March 12
Early prognosis
There'll be a handful of Tigers racing the clock for round one selection, with Lynch and Castagna the first-choice players most under the pump. Grimes and Vlastuin picked up minor injuries in the second JLT match but should be right for round one. Grigg remains some way back, starting to build his training loads after being sidelined with a joint issue in his knee. - Sarah Black
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03-13/the-full-afl-injury-list-postjlt-update-
Looks like Kreuzer is out and Philips in for round 1...
I gave up on Kreuzer years ago.
I was wrapped with his early form, and he looked like the next Dean Cox but last season is the epitome of why we need to move on from him ASAP.
Its a conundrum because he's a gun.
Unfortunately his best asset is probably the reason he keeps breaking down and he might need to reign it in to a more sustainable way of playing footy.
I gave up on Kreuzer years ago.
I was wrapped with his early form, and he looked like the next Dean Cox but last season is the epitome of why we need to move on from him ASAP.
Its a conundrum because he's a gun.
Unfortunately his best asset is probably the reason he keeps breaking down and he might need to reign it in to a more sustainable way of playing footy.
Or do a Clark Keating and just play half a year
We now just have to enjoy Kreuz as and when he's available to us. Phillips has looked pretty good to me so far and provides a more than adequate back up except perhaps as far as ground work is concerned. Even Lobbe would be adequate similarly if we need to resort to him. I'm not therefore too concerned - anyone would struggle in ruck contests against the likes of Gawn or Grundy. The main thing we lose then with Kreuzer is his around the ground/on the ground work. Others will have to step up to cover this aspect and I don't think that is too much to expect.
Even with reduced availability SpecialK still should have been AA 2 or 3 times over the last decade!
The fact AA voting is often dominated by some blokes who wouldn't vote for a Carlton player to even save their mothers life is the main problem! I believe a similar accusation was put to Darcy and Ling a season or two back which was followed by a moment of uncomfortable silence then a quick and spirited defensive burial! I thought this was the second worst thing I've heard in recent years, just marginally less offensive than Watson Snr begging the media to identify a concerned mother so "The Club can put her mind at ease!" aka "The Mother Hunting" incident!
Or do a Clark Keating and just play half a year
Or maybe our new found terrier will finally get Kreuz back on the park consistently?
The bloke's only (soon to be) 30 and has spent a fair amount of time on the sidelines...his body should be pretty fresh.....let's not forget Harry M. played until he was 35 and he wasn't half the athlete that Matty K is....
Or maybe our new found terrier will finally get Kreuz back on the park consistently?
The bloke's only (soon to be) 30 and has spent a fair amount of time on the sidelines...his body should be pretty fresh.....let's not forget Harry M. played until he was 35 and he wasn't half the athlete that Matty K is....
Yes, and with the latest medical technology careers are being extended provided the mind is strong enough the body can be repaired. I suspect it might not be that far off before we see a 40 year old AFL player.
Yes, and with the latest medical technology careers are being extended provided the mind is strong enough the body can be repaired. I suspect it might not be that far off before we see a 40 year old AFL player.
Indeed, look at tennis, basketball, American football....
35 is the new 25!
Yes, and with the latest medical technology careers are being extended provided the mind is strong enough the body can be repaired. I suspect it might not be that far off before we see a 40 year old AFL player.
Harry Madden played 330 odd games across his career.
Kreuzer is about 150 games short of that.
I hope the Terrier is good at pulling off miracles. I think we should massage Kreuzer along for a couple of years getting him fit without running him into the ground, and unleash him for a finals series if we manage to make one.
Tigers by 6 goals.
Tigers by 6 goals.
I reckon 3 goals. Keep with them all game and they pull away late.
I reckon 3 goals. Keep with them all game and they pull away late.
I'd be happy if it panned out like that. As far as honourable losses go, that's pretty respectable.
Tigers had a terrific H/A season last year, and will be smarting after their PF loss. Just too experienced, too well drilled and too hungry for us at the moment. Plus I don't see too much wrong in their off season. Even their injuries will not be enough to give us the edge.
I think we can beat Richmond, they are injury hit but probably feel they can take us without much effort....their JLT form was based on comebacks led by their star players.
Midfield control is where it is at and we can no longer let players like Martin run past tackles etc and play schoolboy footy vs this mob, there has to be a line in the sand where the intimidation ends, you can have all the skill in the world but in the past we have folded up very meekly when the tigers have flexed some muscle ie Martin, Caddy, Rance etc and that needs to end next Thursday.
Blues by 17 points....
B: Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
HB: Kade Simpson, Liam Jones, Dale Thomas
C: Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: Paddy Dow, Charlie Curnow, David Cuningham
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Alex Fasolo
FOLL: Andrew Phillips, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Zac Fisher
I/C: Michael Gibbons, Ed Curnow, Jarrod Garlett, Will Setterfield
EMERG: Jack Silvagni, Lochie O'Brien, Matthew Kennedy, Cam Polson
NEW: Mitch McGovern, Sam Walsh, Nic Newman, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield, Michael Gibbons
UNAVAILABLE: Matthew Kreuzer (knee), Sam Docherty (knee), Darcy Lang (foot), Caleb Marchbank (back), Harrison Macreadie (back), Tom Williamson (back), Jarrod Pickett (knee)
NOTES: It appears likely Andrew Phillips holds his spot in the ruck due to a combination of his impressive JLT form and Matthew Kreuzer's injury-interrupted summer. Alex Fasolo is tracking well to be fit, with Polson or Silvagni a chance to take his spot should he not be given the all-clear. Matthew Kennedy should be fit following a shoulder injury, but is unlikely to make the side after failing to feature in any JLT games. Sam Walsh has clearly done enough to earn a debut, while new recruits Michael Gibbons and Will Setterfield work their way into the team based on solid JLT form. Jarrod Garlett narrowly edges Lochie O'Brien for a place on the bench to provide some dash from half-back. - Riley Beveridge.
PRETTY HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT LINEUP AS SUGGESTED ON AFL SITE. PROBABLY THE ONLY CHANGE I WOULD MAKE IS SILVAGNI IN FOR GARLETT...INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT OTHERS THINK.
I reckon 3 goals. Keep with them all game and they pull away late.
Last year we lost by 4 goals yet played H2 with 20 players.....
B: Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
HB: Kade Simpson, Liam Jones, Dale Thomas
C: Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: Paddy Dow, Charlie Curnow, David Cuningham
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Alex Fasolo
FOLL: Andrew Phillips, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Zac Fisher
I/C: Michael Gibbons, Ed Curnow, Jarrod Garlett, Will Setterfield
EMERG: Jack Silvagni, Lochie O'Brien, Matthew Kennedy, Cam Polson
NEW: Mitch McGovern, Sam Walsh, Nic Newman, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield, Michael Gibbons
UNAVAILABLE: Matthew Kreuzer (knee), Sam Docherty (knee), Darcy Lang (foot), Caleb Marchbank (back), Harrison Macreadie (back), Tom Williamson (back), Jarrod Pickett (knee)
NOTES: It appears likely Andrew Phillips holds his spot in the ruck due to a combination of his impressive JLT form and Matthew Kreuzer's injury-interrupted summer. Alex Fasolo is tracking well to be fit, with Polson or Silvagni a chance to take his spot should he not be given the all-clear. Matthew Kennedy should be fit following a shoulder injury, but is unlikely to make the side after failing to feature in any JLT games. Sam Walsh has clearly done enough to earn a debut, while new recruits Michael Gibbons and Will Setterfield work their way into the team based on solid JLT form. Jarrod Garlett narrowly edges Lochie O'Brien for a place on the bench to provide some dash from half-back. - Riley Beveridge.
PRETTY HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT LINEUP AS SUGGESTED ON AFL SITE. PROBABLY THE ONLY CHANGE I WOULD MAKE IS SILVAGNI IN FOR GARLETT...INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT OTHERS THINK.
I'd change Polson (in) for Fasalo (out).
The pressure Polson brings will be a must against the tigers. Fas has shown SFA so far and although Polson won't win you the game himself, he's a solid foot soldier who'll do whats asked of him.
It's a tough one Kruddler....I agreed that Fasolo has done nothing but he IS the sort of bloke that can be influential off the back of a dozen possessions.....I don't think Polson could do that. Gibbons was quiet on Monday but he is the sort of player that can still apply that forward pressure.
It's a tough one Kruddler....I agreed that Fasolo has done nothing but he IS the sort of bloke that can be influential off the back of a dozen possessions.....I don't think Polson could do that. Gibbons was quiet on Monday but he is the sort of player that can still apply that forward pressure.
I understand the logic behind picking Fas, but we already have Gibbons in the same role.
If both have poor days, we are basically carrying 2 forward pocket players in our lineup.
I'd change Polson (in) for Fasalo (out).
The pressure Polson brings will be a must against the tigers. Fas has shown SFA so far and although Polson won't win you the game himself, he's a solid foot soldier who'll do whats asked of him.
Agree with that. Polson is in the side to provide defensive pressure and he does that well. It would be a bonus if he could rack up a few more score involvements.
I wouldn't say that Phillips has been impressive in the JLT series and Kreuzer going at half rat power will contribute more. If Kreuzer is fit enough to run out the game, he should be in the 22.
SOJ's form in the NBs must have him in contention but I'm not sure who he could displace.
I'd change Polson (in) for Fasalo (out).
The pressure Polson brings will be a must against the tigers. Fas has shown SFA so far and although Polson won't win you the game himself, he's a solid foot soldier who'll do whats asked of him.
It's an interesting one. Fasolo would be much more likely to kick more goals than Polson but would we be more likely to kick more as a team with Polson in there?
I think we can beat Richmond, they are injury hit but probably feel they can take us without much effort....their JLT form was based on comebacks led by their star players.
Midfield control is where it is at and we can no longer let players like Martin run past tackles etc and play schoolboy footy vs this mob, there has to be a line in the sand where the intimidation ends, you can have all the skill in the world but in the past we have folded up very meekly when the tigers have flexed some muscle ie Martin, Caddy, Rance etc and that needs to end next Thursday.
Blues by 17 points....
I do think we've definitely got a chance - but it's more like a 1 in 10 type chance. I find it hard to be as optimistic as you.
It's an interesting one. Fasolo would be much more likely to kick more goals than Polson but would we be more likely to kick more as a team with Polson in there?
Fas won't kick goals if we can't get (and keep) the ball in our forwardline.
We need the speed and pressure of Polson, along with Fisher and even Garlett to constantly keep the tigers guessing and watching their backs.
B: Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
HB: Kade Simpson, Liam Jones, Dale Thomas
C: Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: Paddy Dow, Charlie Curnow, David Cuningham
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Alex Fasolo
FOLL: Andrew Phillips, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Zac Fisher
I/C: Michael Gibbons, Ed Curnow, Jarrod Garlett, Will Setterfield
EMERG: Jack Silvagni, Lochie O'Brien, Matthew Kennedy, Cam Polson
NEW: Mitch McGovern, Sam Walsh, Nic Newman, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield, Michael Gibbons
UNAVAILABLE: Matthew Kreuzer (knee), Sam Docherty (knee), Darcy Lang (foot), Caleb Marchbank (back), Harrison Macreadie (back), Tom Williamson (back), Jarrod Pickett (knee)
NOTES: It appears likely Andrew Phillips holds his spot in the ruck due to a combination of his impressive JLT form and Matthew Kreuzer's injury-interrupted summer. Alex Fasolo is tracking well to be fit, with Polson or Silvagni a chance to take his spot should he not be given the all-clear. Matthew Kennedy should be fit following a shoulder injury, but is unlikely to make the side after failing to feature in any JLT games. Sam Walsh has clearly done enough to earn a debut, while new recruits Michael Gibbons and Will Setterfield work their way into the team based on solid JLT form. Jarrod Garlett narrowly edges Lochie O'Brien for a place on the bench to provide some dash from half-back. - Riley Beveridge.
PRETTY HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT LINEUP AS SUGGESTED ON AFL SITE. PROBABLY THE ONLY CHANGE I WOULD MAKE IS SILVAGNI IN FOR GARLETT...INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT OTHERS THINK.
Surprisingly accurate from the AFL who normally have 5 or 6 randoms in there.
How strong does this team look with Doc, Kreuzer, Williamson, Marchbank all fit and available? What happened to the days of having a fully fit first 22? Hasn't happened in years.
Fas won't kick goals if we can't get (and keep) the ball in our forwardline.
We need the speed and pressure of Polson, along with Fisher and even Garlett to constantly keep the tigers guessing and watching their backs.
I don't agree Fasolo simply won't kick goals because we can't keep the ball in the forward line. Fas gives you a far stronger marking option and a long straight kick. But Polson gives you a bit more crumbing / pressure. He's not a great goalkicker though in his own right.
It's an interesting one. Fasolo would be much more likely to kick more goals than Polson but would we be more likely to kick more as a team with Polson in there?
I'd be starting Gibbons ahead of both of them.......but I think Polson might play to be matched up on a attacking rebounder and goalkicker like Jayden Short..
Fasalo wont give us much defensively and thats why he played twos' at Collingwood ....he needs to kick 2-3 to earn his keep and I dont see him doing that vs the Tigers with limited match
practice...
B: Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
HB: Kade Simpson, Liam Jones, Dale Thomas
C: Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: Paddy Dow, Charlie Curnow, David Cuningham
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Alex Fasolo
FOLL: Andrew Phillips, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Zac Fisher
I/C: Michael Gibbons, Ed Curnow, Jarrod Garlett, Will Setterfield
EMERG: Jack Silvagni, Lochie O'Brien, Matthew Kennedy, Cam Polson
NEW: Mitch McGovern, Sam Walsh, Nic Newman, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield, Michael Gibbons
UNAVAILABLE: Matthew Kreuzer (knee), Sam Docherty (knee), Darcy Lang (foot), Caleb Marchbank (back), Harrison Macreadie (back), Tom Williamson (back), Jarrod Pickett (knee)
NOTES: It appears likely Andrew Phillips holds his spot in the ruck due to a combination of his impressive JLT form and Matthew Kreuzer's injury-interrupted summer. Alex Fasolo is tracking well to be fit, with Polson or Silvagni a chance to take his spot should he not be given the all-clear. Matthew Kennedy should be fit following a shoulder injury, but is unlikely to make the side after failing to feature in any JLT games. Sam Walsh has clearly done enough to earn a debut, while new recruits Michael Gibbons and Will Setterfield work their way into the team based on solid JLT form. Jarrod Garlett narrowly edges Lochie O'Brien for a place on the bench to provide some dash from half-back. - Riley Beveridge.
PRETTY HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT LINEUP AS SUGGESTED ON AFL SITE. PROBABLY THE ONLY CHANGE I WOULD MAKE IS SILVAGNI IN FOR GARLETT...INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT OTHERS THINK.
Gee, hard to argue with that line-up.
I like the pressure that having Gibbons and Fasolo in the side brings to opposition back-lines/coaches as both can and do contribute to scoreboard pressure. Ed Curnow gets the nod over Polson as the defensive forward as he is also more likely to impact the scoreboard and his disposal is marginally better.
Last year's wooden spooners (with their worst season in history) won't be beating last year minor premiers. And nothing that's happened in the off season changes that IMO.
Last year's wooden spooners (with their worst season in history) won't be beating last year minor premiers. And nothing that's happened in the off season changes that IMO.
Maybe Paul, maybe not.
There is a heck of a lot of evidence to suggest the 22 that run onto the G next Thursday will run the Tigers closer than we did in 2018 - and that was close, even with 2 men down (both were out in Q2 of the game).
Short memories? we were ahead at the 11 minute mark of the last quarter.....
Last year's wooden spooners (with their worst season in history) won't be beating last year minor premiers. And nothing that's happened in the off season changes that IMO.
So what has happened in the off season?
Richmond has added Lynch, Collier-Dawkins, Ross, Turner, English, Weller, Aarts, Townsend and Stack. They lost Conca, Ellis, Lloyd, Miles, Stengle, Drummond, Griffiths and Hampson. With the exception of Lynch (injured), and possibly Collier-Dawkins, their outs seem stronger than their ins. Added to that is the impact of an underwhelming finals campaign, rule changes that affect their structure and tactics and a coaching panel whose message has always been relatively inconsequential and may be becoming just a little stale.
In contrast, we have dramatically improved our list to the point where there is genuine competition for spots in the 22 and last year's stalwarts - Casboult, Graham, Lamb, Kerridge, O'Brien, etc - are no longer with us or are on the list just to provide injury cover. Our coaching group has been refreshed, we've got the best fitness guru in the business, and we've adapted quickly to the rule changes.
Will we win on Thursday night? It's a definite possibility :)
Last year's wooden spooners (with their worst season in history) won't be beating last year minor premiers. And nothing that's happened in the off season changes that IMO.
Dont Believe In Never.
Striking just how much stronger first team we're fielding from round 23 last year ins and outs:
(13 changes)
IN:
Phillips/Kreuzer
Plowman
Newman
Walsh
Cuningham
Dow
Fasolo
McGovern
Fisher
Setterfield
Gibbons
Garlett
Jones
OUT:
Aaron Mullett
Jed Lamb
Matthew Wright
Darcy Lang
Jack Silvagni
Caleb Marchbank
Sam Rowe
Tom De Koning
Cameron Polson
Matthew Lobbe
Ciaran Byrne
Sam Kerridge
Lochie O'Brien
Arguably strengthening every one of those replacements. Indisputably a far stronger team overall. Whether that means we will actually beat the tigs - unlikely (but maybe possible).
So what has happened in the off season?
Richmond has added Lynch, Collier-Dawkins, Ross, Turner, English, Weller, Aarts, Townsend and Stack. They lost Conca, Ellis, Lloyd, Miles, Stengle, Drummond, Griffiths and Hampson. With the exception of Lynch (injured), and possibly Collier-Dawkins, their outs seem stronger than their ins. Added to that is the impact of an underwhelming finals campaign, rule changes that affect their structure and tactics and a coaching panel whose message has always been relatively inconsequential and may be becoming just a little stale.
In contrast, we have dramatically improved our list to the point where there is genuine competition for spots in the 22 and last year's stalwarts - Casboult, Graham, Lamb, Kerridge, O'Brien, etc - are no longer with us or are on the list just to provide injury cover. Our coaching group has been refreshed, we've got the best fitness guru in the business, and we've adapted quickly to the rule changes.
Will we win on Thursday night? It's a definite possibility :)
There were some stats in the HUN a while ago showing which teams ran with 6-6-6 the least in 2018. Tigs were the lowest in the league at like 3% or something. Basically never run it. They also get their smalls pressure strangling opposition from kickouts.
Basically if there was 1 club you'd single out as being the most affected in the AFL it would be tigs.
Not that means we start favourites or anything but it will be interesting to see if it does upset their applecart a little bit when the real matches start.
Dont Believe In Never.
I'm not saying "never", I'm saying "not now."
Striking just how much stronger first team we're fielding from round 23 last year ins and outs:
(13 changes)
IN:
Phillips/Kreuzer
Plowman
Newman
Walsh
Cuningham
Dow
Fasolo
McGovern
Fisher
Setterfield
Gibbons
Garlett
Jones
OUT:
Aaron Mullett
Jed Lamb
Matthew Wright
Darcy Lang
Jack Silvagni
Caleb Marchbank
Sam Rowe
Tom De Koning
Cameron Polson
Matthew Lobbe
Ciaran Byrne
Sam Kerridge
Lochie O'Brien
Arguably strengthening every one of those replacements. Indisputably a far stronger team overall. Whether that means we will actually beat the tigs - unlikely (but maybe possible).
Wow - That is extraordinary.
No wonder we were so poor.
Wow - That is extraordinary.
No wonder we were so poor.
Not even counting the guys who were on one leg towards the end of the season. Playing at half rat power.
Off topic but just read that St Kilda likely to list Sam Rowe under those new rules to replace Dylan Roberton who is taking the year off....they're already without Carlisle for a good chunk of the season. Good luck to Rowe...he looked pretty slow and basically cooked towards the end of last year but hopefully he can string a few games together for them.
Aaron Mullet... Stop it you're hurting me.
Aaron Mullet... Stop it you're hurting me.
It's always darkest before the dawn Professor.
I'm still stumbling in the dark for my teeth and slippers....when they going to turn on the lights!?!
Off topic but just read that St Kilda likely to list Sam Rowe under those new rules to replace Dylan Roberton who is taking the year off....they're already without Carlisle for a good chunk of the season. Good luck to Rowe...he looked pretty slow and basically cooked towards the end of last year but hopefully he can string a few games together for them.
He's been officially listed now. Good luck to him being able to extend his career. Hope he does well for all but 2 games (they play us twice?).
B: Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
HB: Kade Simpson, Liam Jones, Dale Thomas
C: Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: Paddy Dow, Charlie Curnow, David Cuningham
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Alex Fasolo
FOLL: Andrew Phillips, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Zac Fisher
I/C: Michael Gibbons, Ed Curnow, Jarrod Garlett, Will Setterfield
EMERG: Jack Silvagni, Lochie O'Brien, Matthew Kennedy, Cam Polson
NEW: Mitch McGovern, Sam Walsh, Nic Newman, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield, Michael Gibbons
UNAVAILABLE: Matthew Kreuzer (knee), Sam Docherty (knee), Darcy Lang (foot), Caleb Marchbank (back), Harrison Macreadie (back), Tom Williamson (back), Jarrod Pickett (knee)
NOTES: It appears likely Andrew Phillips holds his spot in the ruck due to a combination of his impressive JLT form and Matthew Kreuzer's injury-interrupted summer. Alex Fasolo is tracking well to be fit, with Polson or Silvagni a chance to take his spot should he not be given the all-clear. Matthew Kennedy should be fit following a shoulder injury, but is unlikely to make the side after failing to feature in any JLT games. Sam Walsh has clearly done enough to earn a debut, while new recruits Michael Gibbons and Will Setterfield work their way into the team based on solid JLT form. Jarrod Garlett narrowly edges Lochie O'Brien for a place on the bench to provide some dash from half-back. - Riley Beveridge.
PRETTY HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT LINEUP AS SUGGESTED ON AFL SITE. PROBABLY THE ONLY CHANGE I WOULD MAKE IS SILVAGNI IN FOR GARLETT...INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT OTHERS THINK.
That side works for me
Anyone else heading to the 'curtain raiser' at Punt Rd before this game?
If I'm going to come down, I may as well see 2 games instead of 1!!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/lynch-ready-to-go-at-tigerland-20190316-p514pu.html
Hope they pick him....
Anyone else heading to the 'curtain raiser' at Punt Rd before this game?
If I'm going to come down, I may as well see 2 games instead of 1!!
I'll be coming directly from school. I only wish we printed a list of players before the game.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/lynch-ready-to-go-at-tigerland-20190316-p514pu.html
Hope they pick him....
I'd prefer they didnt.....much rather see a newbie kid like Balta take the field than Lynch who has owned us in most games we have
played against him. Even without much match fitness he would be a problem and Tigers will deliver the ball better than Gold Coast did.
No Caddy or Lynch and only Reiwoldt means Weitering can have a easier time of it and we can gang up on Riewoldt...
They may also be forced to play Martin forward more which will also help our mids....so no Lynch is a good thing IMO.
We will know we have arrived when we are able to play and win against the best teams with their best starting 22. We're still a work in progress, which is why we at the moment we have prayer time for this or that opposition player to be unavailable.
We will know we have arrived when we are able to play and win against the best teams with their best starting 22. We're still a work in progress, which is why we at the moment we have prayer time for this or that opposition player to be unavailable.
I've no reservations about this or that opponent or our match ups, the problem as I see it is not the ability of individuals but the efforts and syncopation of the team. Left unsupported or deserted to the mercy of our opponents no individual can survive, Nthmond have an enormous team first ethic, the equal of the Dawks dominant era.
So I think the test is not that of the individuals but of the team.
Interesting trend, in context it's hard for us to judge impartially from the inside of being a Carlton supporter, what are to be our 2019 fortunes? However, notice that the AFL is using images of Cripps frequently in generic pre-season promotions, that my fellow Bluebaggers is a huge tell! Barlett, Darcy and Sheedy must be grinding away teeth! ;D
EB1, I suspect Jones will be the Lynch match up this season, he's a much better option to stay D50 if he is marking. We want Weitering up the field hitting targets on or inside F50. Not sure who takes Riewoldt, I wouldn't be surprised to find we have more of a shootout mentality in 2019.
We will know we have arrived when we are able to play and win against the best teams with their best starting 22. We're still a work in progress, which is why we at the moment we have prayer time for this or that opposition player to be unavailable.
I suspect that some Richmond supporters are worrying about Kreuzer’s availability :)
Whether Lynch plays is largely irrelevant. What is critical is whether we can build on the form we showed in the JLT games.
I've no reservations about this or that opponent or our match ups, the problem as I see it is not the ability of individuals but the efforts and syncopation of the team. Left unsupported or deserted to the mercy of our opponents no individual can survive, Nthmond have an enormous team first ethic, the equal of the Dawks dominant era.
So I think the test is not that of the individuals but of the team.
Interesting trend, in context it's hard for us to judge impartially from the inside of being a Carlton supporter, what are to be our 2019 fortunes? However, notice that the AFL is using images of Cripps frequently in generic pre-season promotions, that my fellow Bluebaggers is a huge tell! Barlett, Darcy and Sheedy must be grinding away teeth! ;D
EB1, I suspect Jones will be the Lynch match up this season, he's a much better option to stay D50 if he is marking. We want Weitering up the field hitting targets on or inside F50. Not sure who takes Riewoldt, I wouldn't be surprised to find we have more of a shootout mentality in 2019.
LP... 6 on 6 down back should mean more individual battles and less help defense available.....matchups and having options will become more important IMO.
Agree on the shoot out mentality......and games will continue to be won by the more efficient teams.
I suspect that some Richmond supporters are worrying about Kreuzer’s availability :)
Whether Lynch plays is largely irrelevant. What is critical is whether we can build on the form we showed in the JLT games.
I doubt Richmond supporters are worried about whether Cripps, Krooz, Docherty etc. play or not. They have the runs on the board, and have shown over the last 5 or 6 seasons that they can handle whatever we throw at them. And that's where I want us to be - whether it's the wooden spooners or the premiers, I want us to be able to handle whatever other teams dish up.
We seem to be building a decent list, but we are still raw, still a little "foreign legion" with the high list turnover etc., so it will take more time unfortunately. Plus I'm becoming a little worried about Bolton.
I doubt Richmond supporters are worried about whether Cripps, Krooz, Docherty etc. play or not. They have the runs on the board, and have shown over the last 5 or 6 seasons that they can handle whatever we throw at them. And that's where I want us to be - whether it's the wooden spooners or the premiers, I want us to be able to handle whatever other teams dish up.
We seem to be building a decent list, but we are still raw, still a little "foreign legion" with the high list turnover etc., so it will take more time unfortunately. Plus I'm becoming a little worried about Bolton.
So am I! I think he could well be poached by GWS or Gold Coast, with the AFL’s connivance, if they fail to progress. Hopefully, he’ll stay a Bluebagger ????
So am I! I think he could well be poached by GWS or Gold Coast, with the AFL’s connivance, if they fail to progress. Hopefully, he’ll stay a Bluebagger ????
Not likely methinks. But I've always liked people with a sense of humour, and your gag did catch me unawares, so well played sir.
I think we'll win on Thursday.
Feel it in my bones.
Richmond fell off the cliff last season against Collingwood and are a fragile bunch.
They wont win in their first four games imho.
I think we'll win on Thursday.
Feel it in my bones.
Richmond fell off the cliff last season against Collingwood and are a fragile bunch.
They wont win in their first four games imho.
Time to cut thry off. He's clearly drunk.
For the win on Sportsbet:
Tiges 1.15
Blues 5.50
That's great odds, I'm getting on.
I think we'll win on Thursday.
Feel it in my bones.
Richmond fell off the cliff last season against Collingwood and are a fragile bunch.
They wont win in their first four games imho.
You could be on something ... er, I mean on to something ;)
Jokes aside, your bones could be on the right track. As long as our youngsters aren’t overawed by the situation.
The glass half full:
Tigs aren't comfortable with 6-6-6 at all.
We've got Cripps
They're missing 6 from their round 1 team last year (and probably Lynch)
Early days with the new rules so there could be some strange results early
They've sacrificed practically all of their depth to fit Lynch in the cap and copped a few injuries
Will their forward half press be as effective against teams able to kick long from point kick ins?
Glass half empty:
They won the minor premiership - we won the spoon.
Would love a win but think its highly unlikely. I will take a competitive loss with no injuries in this one.
The test comes when we play the likes of teams we should by now beat like GC, Bulldogs, Saints, Dockers and even how we stack up against the likes of North, Port, Hawks, Etc.
Competitive loses wont cut it this year against the bottom teams. We need to win at least 3/4 of those matches for me to believe we are where we should be considering our list and that this is year 4 of the rebuild.
No more excuses.
We're in that pre-season glow period where for some of us anything is possible this season.
That wind can be knocked out of our sails pretty quickly.
For most of us the expectation would range from a good contested loss to an upset win.
The worst possible scenario here is a belting.
If we can avoid that, we're on the way and can build from there.
As LP mentioned earlier one of the most important goals for this year is that we start to combine as a team.
While the injection of youth and new players is a priority, at some stage we need to settle on a core group that gain understanding through regular games together.
Would love a win but think its highly unlikely. I will take a competitive loss with no injuries in this one.
The test comes when we play the likes of teams we should by now beat like GC, Bulldogs, Saints, Dockers and even how we stack up against the likes of North, Port, Hawks, Etc.
Competitive loses wont cut it this year against the bottom teams. We need to win at least 3/4 of those matches for me to believe we are where we should be considering our list and that this is year 4 of the rebuild.
No more excuses.
Highly unlikely? Perhaps, yet in Rd 1 2018 we were ahead at the 11 minute mark of the 4th quarter.
All that with a younger, less experienced team than we'll put out this week AND we lost both Kreuzer and Kennedy in the 2nd quarter.....that's unlikely to happen again.
And looking at the Tigers - no Caddy, Grigg, Castagna, Townsend and likely no Lynch. Also, from the 22 that played us last year, no C. Ellis or Conca.
I'll be hiding behind the couch...!!
Highly unlikely? Perhaps, yet in Rd 1 2018 we were ahead at the 11 minute mark of the 4th quarter.
All that with a younger, less experienced team than we'll put out this week AND we lost both Kreuzer and Kennedy in the 2nd quarter.....that's unlikely to happen again.
And looking at the Tigers - no Caddy, Grigg, Castagna, Townsend and likely no Lynch. Also, from the 22 that played us last year, no C. Ellis or Conca.
Yes, if we win you can already predict the excuses that will be trotted out for Nthmond, it is a short term aberration, the season is long, it's not to be unexpected, etc., etc., I've already heard Dimma making claims that last year they peaked too early! ::)
Dimma's main proficiencies, the many recent skills that he has developed more than others;
- Complaing about how unfairly they are treated game after game.
- Taking credit for stuff he has no influence over.
- Making excuses for the things he gets wrong.
- Laying blame for his stuff ups on others!
He owns all that is good, and blames others for all that is bad! Dimma's greatest skill is finding his hand in the cookie jar and the media love him for it, which isn't a surprise because the media is full of like minded individuals! One positive I find though, he isn't "as whining" about the bad things like the Pudding Face Twins! ;)
Yes, if we win you can already predict the excuses that will be trotted out for Nthmond, it is a short term aberration, the season is long, it's not to be unexpected, etc., etc., I've already heard Dimma making claims that last year they peaked too early! ::)
Dimma's main proficiencies, the many recent skills that he has developed more than others;
- Complaing about how unfairly they are treated game after game.
- Taking credit for stuff he has no influence over.
- Making excuses for the things he gets wrong.
- Laying blame for his stuff ups on others!
He owns all that is good, and blames others for all that is bad! Dimma's greatest skill is finding his hand in the cookie jar and the media love him for it, which isn't a surprise because the media is full of like minded individuals! ;)
As a recent premiership coach i guess you can get away with the teflon strategy for a time....
i reckon this new 6-6-6 format is going to hurt the Tigers as much as any....
Congrats to Jack Reiwold on the birth of the new baby...... but couldn’t his missus wait until Thursday night at about 9 o’clock!!
Congrats to Jack Reiwold on the birth of the new baby...... but couldn’t his missus wait until Thursday night at about 9 o’clock!!
Hopefully he'll get no sleep before game day! ;)
Highly unlikely? Perhaps, yet in Rd 1 2018 we were ahead at the 11 minute mark of the 4th quarter.
All that with a younger, less experienced team than we'll put out this week AND we lost both Kreuzer and Kennedy in the 2nd quarter.....that's unlikely to happen again.
And looking at the Tigers - no Caddy, Grigg, Castagna, Townsend and likely no Lynch. Also, from the 22 that played us last year, no C. Ellis or Conca.
Agree with you, we’re in with a sniff, I think we’ll knock off the Tigers and start the season positvely.
New rules will help our youngsters early and our reinvented forward line will do much better on the MCG.
Go Blues
Young bodies can faulter under constant congestion and stoppages. The new rules open the game up more often. A plus for us.
Congrats to Jack Reiwold on the birth of the new baby...... but couldn’t his missus wait until Thursday night at about 9 o’clock!!
He might no longer be the biggest whinger in his house... Maybe.
I didn't realise it was sMurph's 250th.
22°C, clear, Carlton home game, should be a sellout and a win for us by 6 goals.
What games offer the best chance of a win in the first 10 rounds?
21.03. 19:20
Carlton
Richmond Tigers
30.03. 17:10
Port Adelaide Power
Carlton
06.04. 13:45
Carlton
Sydney Swans
14.04. 14:40
Gold Coast Suns
Carlton
21.04. 13:10
Western Bulldogs
Carlton
28.04. 15:20
Hawthorn Hawks
Carlton
05.05. 13:10
Carlton
North Melbourne Kangaroos
11.05. 13:45
Carlton
Collingwood Magpies
19.05. 16:40
Greater Western Sydney
Carlton
26.05. 15:20
St Kilda Saints
Carlton
Assuming minimal injuries I reckon we can get the Saints & GC for sure and then one of Norf, Dogs or Swans. Would everyone be happy if we were 3 and 7 after 10 games?
I'd be comfortable with that but happy with 4 wins. The second half of the year is a bit easier (arguably).
Doggies entirely beatable....
Doggies entirely beatable....
Correct
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-can-improve-rapidly-murphy-20190318-p5151d.html
What games offer the best chance of a win in the first 10 rounds?
21.03. 19:20
Carlton
Richmond Tigers
30.03. 17:10
Port Adelaide Power
Carlton
06.04. 13:45
Carlton
Sydney Swans
14.04. 14:40
Gold Coast Suns
Carlton
21.04. 13:10
Western Bulldogs
Carlton
28.04. 15:20
Hawthorn Hawks
Carlton
05.05. 13:10
Carlton
North Melbourne Kangaroos
11.05. 13:45
Carlton
Collingwood Magpies
19.05. 16:40
Greater Western Sydney
Carlton
26.05. 15:20
St Kilda Saints
Carlton
Assuming minimal injuries I reckon we can get the Saints & GC for sure and then one of Norf, Dogs or Swans. Would everyone be happy if we were 3 and 7 after 10 games?
I'd be comfortable with that but happy with 4 wins. The second half of the year is a bit easier (arguably).
Im only worried about Collingwood and GWS out of that lot.
Hawthorn are a mixed bag, and we should beat St. Kilda, GC, and the Bulldogs comfortably.
The rest are beatable but we arent going to be consistent enough to beat them all at the moment. Chalk us up to 3-6 wins depending on luck.
If we start with that many, Bolton will be safe for another couple of years.
Im only worried about Collingwood and GWS out of that lot.
Hawthorn are a mixed bag, and we should beat St. Kilda, GC, and the Bulldogs comfortably.
The rest are beatable but we arent going to be consistent enough to beat them all at the moment. Chalk us up to 3-6 wins depending on luck.
If we start with that many, Bolton will be safe for another couple of years.
Yes I agree Thry, simply because there is no hard point of demarcation between improvement and stagnation, and opposition form is not a certainty or constant, even if they were not wins. If we have improved to the point where wins are increasingly likely it has to coincide with losses being less likely, therefore close losses tip over to become draws or narrow victories.
The swing in fortune can be dramatic, keeping in mind it was two years ago that we had learned about winning ugly and forced close results against the politically correct trend line. We did so with a much weaker list than today! I suspect that 2018 was out of kilter in that we succumbed to external pressures to change our game plan, I think we should have just kept playing to win ugly and damn the media spuds! 2019 will be different, I suspect we will be closer to the Dawks than The Aints, and many experts have pegged the Dawks middle tier.
I suspect that 2018 was out of kilter in that we succumbed to external pressures to change our game plan, I think we should have just kept playing to win ugly and damn the media spuds! 2019 will be different.
This + losing Doc + an abnormally long list of lengthy injuries.....
2017 should be the benchmark - and the 2019 team is much better than the team of 2 years ago....(well, hopefully)!
Malthouse (not a fan but....) reckons circa 10 wins a possibility - have to agree with him.
The game plan needed to change, and I doubt the media had anything to with it. You won't win much if you score 72 points per game with an average of 78, as we did in 2017. Any progress achieved that year was illusory. Half the team behind the ball and endless keepings off. Turn it up.
Illusory?
Rubbish Paul....no one said the game plan didn't need to evolve but DEFENCE, defence, DEFENCE is what wins flags more often than not.
This year, both our midfield and forward line will be markedly stronger and the mids (hopefully will work better defensively) and help take heat off the defence....
I'm not much interested in cliches. Look at the numbers - teams that win flags generally lose only a handful of games and have a % well above 120. The recent Swans and Saints teams are minor exceptions to the rule.
Why do I need to state the obvious ? Defence and attack are both vital. You won't win much if you leak like a sieve, and you won't win much if you can't score above 100 points per game.
The game plan needed to change, and I doubt the media had anything to with it. You won't win much if you score 72 points per game with an average of 78, as we did in 2017. Any progress achieved that year was illusory. Half the team behind the ball and endless keepings off. Turn it up.
Yet Nthmond won a flag starting with tactics that saw them frequently run with 7 or more on the defensive side of the square, scribes cannot have it both ways!
To some of us we(Carlton) appeared to fold in 2018 under external pressure, long before we had completed the job of fixing our defensive structures which started in 2017, to me that made 2018 look chaotic with almost nothing functioning on field. I realise Docherty being absent is a big part of that structure, I can't help but think it was far worse than it needed to be!
But who gives a rats, we have Walsh! ;D
PS: Is there a strong association between scoring 100pts and having a high percentage, other than the Dawks, particularly in the modern AFL era? I suspect not, I think this would be a clear difference between the 80s, 90s and 00s and beyond.
I'm not much interested in cliches. Look at the numbers - teams that win flags generally lose only a handful of games and have a % well above 120. The recent Swans and Saints teams are minor exceptions to the rule.
Why do I need to state the obvious ? Defence and attack are both vital. You won't win much if you leak like a sieve, and you won't win much if you can't score above 100 points per game.
You're missing the point entirely. No one has suggested that the CFC team of 16, 17 or 18 was anywhere close to achieving 120%....nor that they were much chop.
But we were able to restrict the opposition to less than 100 pts in 14 or 15 games in 2017. In 2018? 8 or 9 times...
But the 100 point mark is a furphy....even if a desirable benchmark.
Since 2000, 8 teams have won flags scoring less than 100 in the GF - including the mighty offensive units of Geelong and Brisbane....
I think any astute pundit would suggest that defence must be the cornerstone of any successful team (even if kicking goals - as many as possible - remains the aim of the game).
Yet Nthmond won a flag starting with tactics that saw them frequently run with 7 or more on the defensive side of the square, scribes cannot have it both ways!
To some of us we(Carlton) appeared to fold in 2018 under external pressure, long before we had completed the job of fixing our defensive structures which started in 2017, to me that made 2018 look chaotic with almost nothing functioning on field. I realise Docherty being absent is a big part of that structure, I can't help but think it was far worse than it needed to be!
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Richmond is something of a statistical anomaly, but was still good enough to get a % near 120.
Given our performances last year, I think the media went easy on us. Almost felt sorry for us. In past years, they would have demanded Bolton's head on a platter, torched the place and danced around the ashes.
You're missing the point entirely. No one has suggested that the CFC team of 16, 17 or 18 was anywhere close to achieving 120%....nor that they were much chop.
But we were able to restrict the opposition to less than 100 pts in 14 or 15 games in 2017. In 2018? 8 or 9 times...
But the 100 point mark is a furphy....even if a desirable benchmark.
Since 2000, 8 teams have won flags scoring less than 100 in the GF - including the mighty offensive units of Geelong and Brisbane....
I think any astute pundit would suggest that defence must be the cornerstone of any successful team (even if kicking goals - as many as possible - remains the aim of the game).
It's not about what you score in the GF, it's about the entire season. With few exceptions, GF's are low scoring affairs.
There are many cornerstones, not just one - defence, offence, injury, coaching, development.
Richmond is something of a statistical anomaly, but was still good enough to get a % near 120.
Given our performances last year, I think the media went easy on us. Almost felt sorry for us. In past years, they would have demanded Bolton's head on a platter, torched the place and danced around the ashes.
In aggregate Nthmond of 2017 only scored 120 more points than the Doggies of 2016, many labeled the Doggies dour to play against and the following year Nthmond were labeled exciting! One averaged 90pts the other 84pts, hardly objective is it?
Excluding the Dawks in recent years, the Lions before them, most clubs struggle to average 100pts in a flag year and rarely is the premier the highest scoring club. So I doubt it means much over all.
What is even more uncomfortable, prior to MMs arrival we were one of the higher scoring teams, and fans complained about us playing too many shoot-outs! Is there any way we can win favour?
I really don't give a rats-ar5e what the media want, and this scoring 100pts thing is mostly meaningless media drivel, scoring a 100pts is worthless if your opponent scores 110pts! As most AFL coaches will say, reality is they'd take 1pt to Nil victory any day as long as they get the win! It's in those circumstances that I think BB and the relatively new board at that time showed inexperience.
FFS, in 2017 The Judge was being door stopped and questioned about boring broadcast games, what other AFL President has to put up with that?
I'm with you LP. Back in the season where Fremantle made the GF, it was on the back of manic pressure across the ground and restricting opponents to small scores and then scoring a bit more themselves to win. Everyone was complaining that it was Ross Lyon's tactics and it was making the game unwatchable....but talk to any Fremantle supporters and they weren't complaining ....they were winning games and made the GF. It was only in subsequent years where that style of play WASN'T winning them games and they didn't change their style that their fans got upset.
Lets focus on 2019....substantially different team this year and hopefully substantially better results.
It was only in subsequent years where that style of play WASN'T winning them games and they didn't change their style that their fans got upset.
That's the very same malaise MM suffered even before he arrived, it wasn't that he had a bad game plan, the problem was there was only one and everybody knew it!
FWIW, I don't have a problem with the demand for a high scoring game plan, a plan B or as many functional alternatives as possible, and I do agree the more you score the greater your chances. My point about 2017 vs 2018 is more about having kids get one thing right before moving onto the next! And from a fans perspective at least for the sake of saving some face make it look like it's our club's decision!
On top of losing, I'm so sick of us being meek, mild and bullied in the media! If we are going to lose, let's make some opposition people feel uncomfortable about it!
The last paragraph strikes a chord, I'm sick of our blokes being viewed as nice, or heaven forbid, soft. If we aren't good enough to win, so be it, but the days of just rolling over an conceding are over. Make the other mob earn every contest.
I'm with you LP. Back in the season where Fremantle made the GF, it was on the back of manic pressure across the ground and restricting opponents to small scores and then scoring a bit more themselves to win. Everyone was complaining that it was Ross Lyon's tactics and it was making the game unwatchable....but talk to any Fremantle supporters and they weren't complaining ....they were winning games and made the GF. It was only in subsequent years where that style of play WASN'T winning them games and they didn't change their style that their fans got upset.
Lets focus on 2019....substantially different team this year and hopefully substantially better results.
Surfie...Dockers did well in those years under Lyon and had their own defensive style, they also proto-typed the big 4 mids with Barlow, Mundy, Fyfe and Crowley...the latter was the nemesis of all the star mids like Ablett, Judd etc until the umpires started to let other teams have a free hit and beat him up off the ball.
Lyon also failed to develop enough goal kicking power and his pressure strategy failed as the Dockers couldnt kick enough goals..... reckon they will be hard work at home to beat especially now they have Hogan and Lobb to help kick a winnings score but you have to wonder if Lyon will resort to his old negative self .
Lyon's rubbish game style has cost him a flag at 2 clubs. Some people never learn.
The game plan last year was rendered irrelevant.
'17 was a year built on Kreuzer, Murphy and Gibbs providing a solid midfield unit with Cripps who didn't have a great year.
Last year we traded out Gibbs and lost M & K to injury for practicality the whole season.
All of that was unlucky but if it hadn't happened we wouldn't have Walsh who I think is pretty much the perfect recruit at the perfect time for us. One real gun midfielder to add to Setterfield makes our future midfield look not just decent but dominant.
Like the positivity, but Setterfield has played 2 games, walsh has played none. For our midfield to be competitive we need the guys who have 30-50 games to step up - SPS, Fisher, Cuningham etc
Correct Jack. If we rely on Walsh, Setterfield to win us games without improvement from those you mentioned, then it will fall back onto the shoulders of blokes like Cripps to carry us again. But from what SPS, Fisher and Cunningham have all showed in the pre-season games, they certainly look to have improved significantly. Similarly, if Matthew Kennedy can get his body right he can further reduce the load for Cripps. I wouldn't have Kennedy in my best 22 at the moment so if he can show some form then it's another bonus.
No one said anyone was relying on Walsh and/or Setterfield to win us games. Jeza was talking long term....
To digress:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-03-18/mock-team-afl-medias-best-22
Fair enough, sorry I misunderstood.
That team is very similar to mine, but I have Polson in for Fasolo
Don't see either Polson or Fasolo playing.
Fair enough, sorry I misunderstood.
That team is very similar to mine, but I have Polson in for Fasolo
I think you're right, Polson will play.
Fasolo a better option, way better.
We need some experience up forward....
Fasolo worries me in terms of defensive pressure, its why he couldnt get a game for the Filth. We are strugglers, we don't have room for heroes at this stage of our development
Fasolo worries me in terms of defensive pressure, its why he couldnt get a game for the Filth. We are strugglers, we don't have room for heroes at this stage of our development
Polson is a coaches favourite, Fasalo is new and has already stuffed up....dont see Fasalo getting rewarded with a game without some decent form.
Logic also says the Tigers are very strong in terms of small forwards and we are very weak in terms of having suitable opponents so thats another tick for Polson.
Would I play him....No....his pre season form has been ordinary and mirrored what we saw last season bar one game and his skill level/turn over factor a real negative but
having both the coaching group and playing group onside means Polson will get his fair share of opportunities starting with round 1 IMO.
Polson is a coaches favourite, Fasalo is new and has already stuffed up....dont see Fasalo getting rewarded with a game without some decent form.
Logic also says the Tigers are very strong in terms of small forwards and we are very weak in terms of having suitable opponents so thats another tick for Polson.
Would I play him....No....his pre season form has been ordinary and mirrored what we saw last season bar one game and his skill level/turn over factor a real negative but
having both the coaching group and playing group onside means Polson will get his fair share of opportunities starting with round 1 IMO.
Yep, that's the sum of it. Unfortunately!
Like the positivity, but Setterfield has played 2 games, walsh has played none. For our midfield to be competitive we need the guys who have 30-50 games to step up - SPS, Fisher, Cuningham etc
The point was if we hadn't run into an injury wall last year we wouldn't have Walsh nor Setterfield who we got for the price of those equalisation picks pretty much.
Polson is a coaches favourite, Fasalo is new and has already stuffed up....dont see Fasalo getting rewarded with a game without some decent form.
Logic also says the Tigers are very strong in terms of small forwards and we are very weak in terms of having suitable opponents so thats another tick for Polson.
Would I play him....No....his pre season form has been ordinary and mirrored what we saw last season bar one game and his skill level/turn over factor a real negative but
having both the coaching group and playing group onside means Polson will get his fair share of opportunities starting with round 1 IMO.
I wouldn't pick Polson on the face of it if it was my call but I put a bit of faith in the coaches that they need his pace and pressure. They give him a job to do. We don't know what that is but he must be carrying it out particularly well.
I really like his pace and his willingness to kick on his left and those flashes of brilliance.
Lynch to play on Thursday night if he trains ok next session......
I wouldn't pick Polson on the face of it if it was my call but I put a bit of faith in the coaches that they need his pace and pressure. They give him a job to do. We don't know what that is but he must be carrying it out particularly well.
I really like his pace and his willingness to kick on his left and those flashes of brilliance.
I think that's right Jeza. Polson is not a coach's favourite, he is simply rewarded for carrying out his role - whatever that may be :)
I tried to watch him closely in the JLT games and he is certainly around the contest and applying pressure, and that seems to be what his role is. However, I'd like to see him make the most of limited possessions and get more score involvements.
I wouldn't pick Polson on the face of it if it was my call but I put a bit of faith in the coaches that they need his pace and pressure. They give him a job to do. We don't know what that is but he must be carrying it out particularly well.
I really like his pace and his willingness to kick on his left and those flashes of brilliance.
Flashes of brilliance?
What are you smoking Jeza? :o
Flashes of brilliance?
What are you smoking Jeza? :o
I agree with Jeza. However, I would like to see those flashes of brilliance just a tad more frequently :)
I think that's right Jeza. Polson is not a coach's favourite, he is simply rewarded for carrying out his role - whatever that may be :)
I tried to watch him closely in the JLT games and he is certainly around the contest and applying pressure, and that seems to be what his role is. However, I'd like to see him make the most of limited possessions and get more score involvements.
Most of the pressure he has applied in the JLT games has to been to his teammates with his wonky disposal .......although limited possessions has probably worked in his favour.... :)
I hope this year the coaches start picking teams to win games instead of picking players to give them game time to 'learn the craft'.
It is time for results Bolts!
Poulson is no better or worse than Carrazzo at the same stage of his career, he's still a beginner who is getting better with time so it's worth waiting.
Also Poulson is an A-Grade antidote to some of the d17kh3ads that can be commonly found in and around football clubs.
Poulson is no better or worse than Carrazzo at the same stage of his career, he's still a beginner who is getting better with time so it's worth waiting.
Also Poulson is an A-Grade antidote to some of the d17kh3ads that can be commonly found in and around football clubs.
Nope, not so.
Carrots was always a ball magnet...even if his ball use was so so early on.
Polson barely touches the ball during a game....and doesn't even get big numbers in the 2s.
Nope, not so.
Carrots was always a ball magnet...even if his ball use was so so early on.
Polson barely touches the ball during a game....and doesn't even get big numbers in the 2s.
Carrazzo's role was to get the pill but consistently kicking it to the opposition's advantage was almost as bad as playing with 17 men vs 19.
Polson's role is to stop an opponent getting the ball and to limit effective kicks out of the opposition's defensive 50. I think that he does that quite well ... but he needs to win more of the ball.
Carrazzo's role was to get the pill but consistently kicking it to the opposition's advantage was almost as bad as playing with 17 men vs 19.
Polson's role is to stop an opponent getting the ball and to limit effective kicks out of the opposition's defensive 50. I think that he does that quite well ... but he needs to win more of the ball.
Not suggesting for a second they have the same role....that said, I do feel that Polson is better served learning his trade in the 2s....
On present form/output, I very much doubt he'd get a game in any other team.
I'm a bit of a Polson fan.
I'm always a bit biased by attitude so that probably means I put a bit more emphasis on the good things.
I think I described him last year as an 'almost' player.
"Almost makes those tackles stick"
"Almost breaks through the tackle and into the clear."
There was one occasion on the weekend (yep, only one I can think of....and it was in a practice game) when he did make that break and delivered the ball perfectly to the forward.
Is there a hundred game payer there?
Who knows... I suspect some will think "probably yes" because he's a "Bolton Pet"
But Bolton is not in a position to be able to afford the luxury of playing players because they show a good attitude for much longer.
Games will be earned on the ability to influence results rather than on learning experiences.
If Polson's in the side at the end of the season it will be because he's earned his spot.
Carazzo was a very fine player and his disposal issues over hyped........Polson is just a D grade hacker in comparison and I cant see the fascination that the coaches and some supporters have with him.
I'm a bit of a Polson fan.
I'm always a bit biased by attitude so that probably means I put a bit more emphasis on the good things.
I think I described him last year as an 'almost' player.
"Almost makes those tackles stick"
"Almost breaks through the tackle and into the clear."
There was one occasion on the weekend (yep, only one I can think of....and it was in a practice game) when he did make that break and delivered the ball perfectly to the forward.
Is there a hundred game payer there?
Who knows... I suspect some will think "probably yes" because he's a "Bolton Pet"
But Bolton is not in a position to be able to afford the luxury of playing players because they show a good attitude for much longer.
Games will be earned on the ability to influence results rather than on learning experiences.
If Polson's in the side at the end of the season it will be because he's earned his spot.
Hence why Fas should be miles ahead.....ditto SoJ for that matter.
Nope, not so.
Carrots was always a ball magnet...even if his ball use was so so early on.
Polson barely touches the ball during a game....and doesn't even get big numbers in the 2s.
Don;t get me wrong I love Carrazzo, but Carrazzo wasn't a ball magnet back then, in his first year he was a run-with tagger at Geelong, in his second year courtesy of injuries he got a midfield rotation and won the VFL teams B&F purely as a result of his possession count at VFL level, yet the Cats still didn't pick him up on the senior list because excluding handballs he could hit a barn by foot! So we picked him up but also as a rookie, not part of the senior list. What possessions he was getting came at VFL level for almost the first 3 years of his career, and he wasn't all that different from Poulson at VFL level.
By his 5th or 6th season Carrazzo won a B&F, yet I suspect after the same period of time Poulson could well be a better player.
Hence why Fas should be miles ahead.....ditto SoJ for that matter.
I'd agree.
If we're ready to flick the switch from 'getting games into youngsters' to 'playing the side with the best chance to win' that's how it should be.
Our major deficiency remains our scoring ability and both those players offer more in terms of goal getting than Polson. The argument at selection will be do we lose perhaps, in terms of forward pressure.
Don;t get me wrong I love Carrazzo, but Carrazzo wasn't a ball magnet back then, in his first year he was a run-with tagger at Geelong, in his second year courtesy of injuries he got a midfield rotation and won the VFL teams B&F purely as a result of his possession count at VFL level, yet the Cats still didn't pick him up on the senior list because excluding handballs he could hit a barn by foot! So we picked him up but also as a rookie, not part of the senior list. What possessions he was getting came at VFL level for almost the first 3 years of his career, and he wasn't all that different from Poulson at VFL level.
By his 5th or 6th season Carrazzo won a B&F, yet I suspect after the same period of time Poulson could well be a better player.
I somewhat agree, although Carrazzo was very good by the end of his career.
He had many different attributes.
1. Elite runner.
2. Got Leather Poisoning which means he had nous.
3. Could shut down an opponent who was a genuine on baller.
4. Was good at jagging clearances.
5. Was able to work on his kicking.
6. Made good decisions but executed poorly.
7. Had better size than Polson.
Polson has a yet to show us much of any of that list.
Carrrazzo is probably a poor example. Lets get him to Ed Curnow level of application first, and we'll worry about the rest later.
The season when Carrots got pollaxed/driven into the turf by that Essendon thug (before the drug cheating scandal surfaced but after the jabbing has been done), Carrots was in career (and dare I say it) competition best form....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHGH5YLks3w
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-fume-about-tackle-on-carrazzo-20120421-1xe3g.html
Carazzo was a very fine player and his disposal issues over hyped........Polson is just a D grade hacker in comparison and I cant see the fascination that the coaches and some supporters have with him.
Carrazzo became a very fine player when he began handballing more than kicking and improved his kicking efficiency. His John Nicholls medal in his 6th season was well deserved. However, he was a D grade hacker for the first three or four years of his career.
Hence why Fas should be miles ahead.....ditto SoJ for that matter.
But can Fas provide the defensive pressure that Bolton is looking for? That really hasn't been Fas's strength in the past. SOJ may be better able to do so but can we afford to have his opponents exploit his lack of pace and create run off halfback?
I'm not sure that Fas has earned a spot in the 22 just yet ...
I somewhat agree, although Carrazzo was very good by the end of his career.
He had many different attributes.
1. Elite runner.
2. Got Leather Poisoning which means he had nous.
3. Could shut down an opponent who was a genuine on baller.
4. Was good at jagging clearances.
5. Was able to work on his kicking.
6. Made good decisions but executed poorly.
7. Had better size than Polson.
Polson has a yet to show us much of any of that list.
Carrrazzo is probably a poor example. Lets get him to Ed Curnow level of application first, and we'll worry about the rest later.
In fairness to Poulson I believe he is already had a top 5 in our clubs time trials, which isn't too bad when you consider who he is trailing behind. The lad has played some very good games at VFL level, last year many of us were calling for him to get a game when his form was red hot at VFL level, yet we waited until it had basically tapered off to give him a game as a FP in which he was concussed, and then we continued to play him. Cynics would say young SoJ got the opportunities that Poulson deserved.
Other than height I can't say Poulson won't meet many of those goals by the time he gets to his 4th or 5th season.
On the Fasolo issue, his big plus is overhead, but if he isn't taking marks and kicking goals he is a liability, a mini-Casboult.
Fasolo is also a very good/smart user of the pill with ball in hand....
Any comparison between him and Polson are chalk and cheese. Fact.
Carrazzo became a very fine player when he began handballing more than kicking and improved his kicking efficiency. His John Nicholls medal in his 6th season was well deserved. However, he was a D grade hacker for the first three or four years of his career.
But can Fas provide the defensive pressure that Bolton is looking for? That really hasn't been Fas's strength in the past. SOJ may be better able to do so but can we afford to have his opponents exploit his lack of pace and create run off halfback?
I'm not sure that Fas has earned a spot in the 22 just yet ...
Well if Bolton doubts him then he should not have recruited him?
Considering the Tigers are below full strength we must go all out for the win and Fasolo just must come in for Polson.
Fasolo is an experienced forward who is a proven goalkicker - exactly the type of player we are crying out for considering the 3 young bid forwards we have....Polson on the other hand is if you want to be a kind 'a defensive forward' who has no clue at all what to do when 3-6 times a match he has the ball in his hands. Yep its harsh but anyone that denies it is not watching his games unbiased.
Put simply, If Polson is named in teams announced tomorrow it tells me the club is not serious about winning this week.
Fasolo is also a very good/smart user of the pill with ball in hand....
Any comparison between him and Polson are chalk and cheese. Fact.
I don't think anyone has made a comparison between Fasolo and Poulson.
Fasolo is probably competing with SoJ for a spot, maybe Garlett if Garlett plays forward but it looks like he is pegged for the HBF.
Others like Cunningham and SPS who might be effective HFFs have Fasolo covered in the midfield by some margin.
Fasolo is a good finisher, that is a plus for him, if he gets the football.
I think Fasolo needs to kick roughly 50+ goals to break even on the cost of his average defensive abilities, less than 2 goals a game won't cut it! The game is very different to just 2 or 3 years ago, clubs like Nthmond tear you apart if you have just one player coasting.
Carrazzo became a very fine player when he began handballing more than kicking and improved his kicking efficiency. His John Nicholls medal in his 6th season was well deserved. However, he was a D grade hacker for the first three or four years of his career.
But can Fas provide the defensive pressure that Bolton is looking for? That really hasn't been Fas's strength in the past. SOJ may be better able to do so but can we afford to have his opponents exploit his lack of pace and create run off halfback?
I'm not sure that Fas has earned a spot in the 22 just yet ...
Carazzo wasnt a hacker at all even in the early stages......comparing the two in their second year.... Carazzo(20 games) averaged twice as many possies, 16 to 8(rounded up).....Polsen(12 games) is a ball butcher with a quarter of his possies in his second year as clangars...Carazzo averaged around 1.3 clangars per game....
Carrazzo in his 3rd year was good for 20 possies a game and in his 4th year went at 25......hardly D grade hacker material.
Polsen isnt even close to Carazzo.......Carazzo could tag effectively and find the ball........Polsen can tag, but cant find the footy and butchers it better than most........
The kid tackles ok and gives effort but has a substandard skillset and isnt a natural ballwinner.........
I don't think anyone has made a comparison between Fasolo and Poulson.
Fasolo is probably competing with SoJ for a spot, maybe Garlett if Garlett plays forward but it looks like he is pegged for the HBF.
Others like Cunningham and SPS who might be effective HFFs have Fasolo covered in the midfield by some margin.
Fasolo is a good finisher, that is a plus for him, if he gets the football. I think Fasolo needs to kick roughly 50+ goals to break even on the cost of his average defensive abilities, less than 2 goals a game won't cut it! The game is very different to just 2 or 3 years ago, clubs like Nthmond tear you apart if you have just one player coasting.
Wow, really? :o :o
When two blokes are competing for one or two of the few spots in a forward line, comparison is exactly what has been (and should be) going on!
More correctly, Polson or Gibbons - the latter every day of the week.
Fasolo can take a grab, is a clever footballer, uses the ball extremely well and finishes.
Polson (noted he's still young) offers none of that.
Hard to run with the 'if he gets the pill' line when Polson has averaged 7.2 disposals and 3 tackles a game in his brief career (Fas 13.8 and 2.5 respectively).
Oh and 1.3 goals to Fas, 0.2 to young Cam.
There's a bit of comparison for you! ;)
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=4&playerStatus2=A&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=6382&pid2=446&fid1=O&fid2=O
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=4&playerStatus2=A&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=6382&pid2=446&fid1=O&fid2=O
;) I'm glad somebody gets it.
I'm sure someone will try the same for Carrazzo! ;D
;) I'm glad somebody gets it.
I'm sure someone will try the same for Carrazzo! ;D
Gets what? That is meaningless when answering the question Fasolo or Polson (or even Gibbons) in the 22 for Thursday. Entirely irrelevant.
Polson may well become a fine player (one day) but right now he's several miles behind either of Gibbons or Fasolo imo.
I reiterate, I think Fasolo's big problem is his lack of defensive pressure, for which he needs to average more than 2 goals a game. To break even he probably has to get close to 3 goals a game under the current player conditions, just to break even, because he will leak goals going the other way. He's only averaged 2 or more goals a game(2.1) once in an eight year career, his career average is 1.3 goals a game!
To me Fasolo is the offer of a sip of water to a man dying of thirst, we need a waterfall, I appreciate our circumstance is somewhat unique!
Long term, play the kids, play the kids, play the kids.
Are the teams announced tonight???
Agree with the logic LP but anyone averaging 3 goals a game is going to kick 60-70 goals in the season.....that would've got you close to winning the Coleman Medal last year and I doubt anyone expects Fasolo to kick that many goals for us. When did we last have anyone kick more than 50....I doubt anyone has since Fev departed. The scoring may well be higher this year with the new rules but have to wait and see how it pans out.
Carazzo wasnt a hacker at all even in the early stages......comparing the two in their second year.... Carazzo(20 games) averaged twice as many possies, 16 to 8(rounded up).....Polsen(12 games) is a ball butcher with a quarter of his possies in his second year as clangars...Carazzo averaged around 1.3 clangars per game....
Carrazzo in his 3rd year was good for 20 possies a game and in his 4th year went at 25......hardly D grade hacker material.
Polsen isnt even close to Carazzo.......Carazzo could tag effectively and find the ball........Polsen can tag, but cant find the footy and butchers it better than most........
The kid tackles ok and gives effort but has a substandard skillset and isnt a natural ballwinner.........
Carrazzo started in 2002 and couldn't get a regular game until his fourth year in the system at the age of 21. Polson is about to start his third year in the system and has just turned 21. At the same age, Carrazzo had played two games (3 seasons) to Polson's 12 (2 seasons).
Carrazzo developed into a very good player, but he was a D grade hacker at the start of his career.
Agree with the logic LP but anyone averaging 3 goals a game is going to kick 60-70 goals in the season.....that would've got you close to winning the Coleman Medal last year and I doubt anyone expects Fasolo to kick that many goals for us. When did we last have anyone kick more than 50....I doubt anyone has since Fev departed. The scoring may well be higher this year with the new rules but have to wait and see how it pans out.
Yes, true for last year as you mention, and as I mentioned we are a special case no doubt.
I suspect the new rules will see several players getting up towards 100 goals again, with small forwards who got 30 goals last year perhaps needing 40 to 50 this year. If you were a 1 goal a game type you need to be targeting 2, if you were 2 you need to be targeting 3. Guys who got up near 3 a game are probably looking at a ton! I don't think this is unreasonable, what I can't get my head around yet is the split between small forwards and KPPs, no club has shown it's hand so the JLT is next to worthless.
Except Fremantle LP.....no Hogan, Cox or Taberner!!! Leaving only Lobb and McCarthy and McCarthy couldn't get a kick in a stampede at the moment.
Nope, not so.
Carrots was always a ball magnet...even if his ball use was so so early on.
Polson barely touches the ball during a game....and doesn't even get big numbers in the 2s.
Carrazzo was largely a BP player early in his career. Obviously turned into a mid later on.
Polson is basically a defensive forward now. His job is to stop his opponent getting the ball and pressure opponents. His job is not to get the ball and win us a game. Maybe it will be later on, but not now. He is doing his role.
The moment he stops running, chasing and tackling is the moment he'll get dropped. Even if he gets 20 touches a week, he'll get dropped if he fails to provide the pressure he does now.
Its like expecting Fevola to chase. He might do it occasionally, but he wasn't in the side to chase. He was in the side to kick goals....and despite all his on-field flaws, he kept getting picked in the side because he kept scoring goals.
Do what is asked of you and you get picked. EOS.
Carrazzo was largely a BP player early in his career. Obviously turned into a mid later on.
Polson is basically a defensive forward now. His job is to stop his opponent getting the ball and pressure opponents. His job is not to get the ball and win us a game. Maybe it will be later on, but not now. He is doing his role.
The moment he stops running, chasing and tackling is the moment he'll get dropped. Even if he gets 20 touches a week, he'll get dropped if he fails to provide the pressure he does now.
Its like expecting Fevola to chase. He might do it occasionally, but he wasn't in the side to chase. He was in the side to kick goals....and despite all his on-field flaws, he kept getting picked in the side because he kept scoring goals.
Do what is asked of you and you get picked. EOS.
Agree. He's doing what the coach wants him to do.
Agree. He's doing what the coach wants him to do.
That can't be right Cookie ... that's what the coach said ;)
Carrazzo was largely a BP player early in his career. Obviously turned into a mid later on.
Polson is basically a defensive forward now. His job is to stop his opponent getting the ball and pressure opponents. His job is not to get the ball and win us a game. Maybe it will be later on, but not now. He is doing his role.
The moment he stops running, chasing and tackling is the moment he'll get dropped. Even if he gets 20 touches a week, he'll get dropped if he fails to provide the pressure he does now.
Its like expecting Fevola to chase. He might do it occasionally, but he wasn't in the side to chase. He was in the side to kick goals....and despite all his on-field flaws, he kept getting picked in the side because he kept scoring goals.
Do what is asked of you and you get picked. EOS.
Rubbish. He was a mid from go to whoa....All Australian u/18, runner up in the Morrish....
As for the rest of your blurb, your analysis is fundamentally flawed as it discounts entirely the opportunity costs of picking a Polson type over a (say) Fasolo type.
And you'll never know if Fasolo had played whether his 2-3 goals might have won you the game....
Pick Polson, he'll lay a few tackles but also often butcher the ball.... there's another cost.
All that said, given Fasolo's misdemeanour, I am not overly fussed if he plays twos and earns his stripes....
Polson simply looks like he's way off the pace of the game more often than not. That spells liability....
Flashes of brilliance?
What are you smoking Jeza? :o
Against the bombers he got on the end of a chain and on his left under pressure hit McKay leading out on his chest. That doesn't happen all that often by one of our guys even on their preferred foot.
Against the pies he ran past 2 opponents, toed the ball in front of himself, picked up with one hand running full pelt and then kicked down to Curnow who for some reason was leading back to goal with Polson under the pump and having to get rid of it immediately - somehow expecting him to hit a perfect 55m drop punt. Luckily Moore dropped it and Curnow got the cheapest goal of his career.
With young players often you just get glimpses initially.
Not sure we can afford the luxury of a bloke who can only deliver defensive stuff in our forward line (Polson). He poses little concern to the opposition, whereas a Fasolo, does. Opposition coaches and players know Fasolo can and does kick goals so he requires attention and minding.
However, never underestimate the power of being the 'teacher's pet'. Polson is the blue-eyed boy whereas Fas is the naughty boy who fckdup recently.
Rubbish. He was a mid from go to whoa....All Australian u/18, runner up in the Morrish....
As for the rest of your blurb, your analysis is fundamentally flawed as it discounts entirely the opportunity costs of picking a Polson type over a (say) Fasolo type.
And you'll never know if Fasolo had played whether his 2-3 goals might have won you the game....
Pick Polson, he'll lay a few tackles but also often butcher the ball.... there's another cost.
All that said, given Fasolo's misdemeanour, I am not overly fussed if he plays twos and earns his stripes....
Polson simply looks like he's way off the pace of the game more often than not. That spells liability....
Carrazzo first game. Picked on HBF
Carrazzo second game. Picked in the BP.
Carrazzo 3rd game. BP
4th game...BP
Do i need to continue?
Lets.
Where was Carrazzo picked?
First game HBF
Next 13 games BP
Next 4 games C / R
Next 1 game HBF
Next 1 game BP
Next 2 games bench
I couldn't be bothered continuing from here. I think you get the point. Well, you should've got it the first time, but i digress.
Thats his first 22 games. Polson has played just 13 so far....at a younger age by comparison.
As for the rest of your critique on my analysis, i've already gone into detail of the pros of playing Polson vs Fasolo previously. No need to go through it again.
Not sure we can afford the luxury of a bloke who can only deliver defensive stuff in our forward line (Polson). He poses little concern to the opposition, whereas a Fasolo, does. Opposition coaches and players know Fasolo can and does kick goals so he requires attention and minding.
However, never underestimate the power of being the 'teacher's pet'. Polson is the blue-eyed boy whereas Fas is the naughty boy who fckdup recently.
Before i comment about polson, again, let me point out that this time last year i was saying he was #1 in line for delisting at the end of the year. As it turns out, he lifted and showed me something i didn;t think he had in him. Not much, but glimpses. Come end of year and 12(?) others are shown the door in one way or another before him.
Back to Polson...you say we can't afford the luxury of a defensive forward line player like Polson. I say we can't afford to carry 2 specialist FP players who offer little else for the team, including defensive pressure.
Having Gibbons and Fasolo in the same forward line with the 3 key forwards will offer very little resistance to the defenders should they decide to run the ball out of defence. Further to that, we have blokes like Murphy and Garlett who are not known for their tackling or close checking either. Hell, throw in Cripps who has trouble catching up with his shadow and you see why we can't carry too many blokes who leave their opponent to run free. Hence the need for a player who will chase down his own opponent, but also chase after someone elses who has been 'let go'.
Forwards don't win you games.
Defenders don't win you games.
Midfielders don't win you games.
Pressure wins you games.
If you harrass the opposition for 100% of the time they have the ball, you win the game.
Well if Bolton doubts him then he should not have recruited him?
Considering the Tigers are below full strength we must go all out for the win and Fasolo just must come in for Polson.
Fasolo is an experienced forward who is a proven goalkicker - exactly the type of player we are crying out for considering the 3 young bid forwards we have....Polson on the other hand is if you want to be a kind 'a defensive forward' who has no clue at all what to do when 3-6 times a match he has the ball in his hands. Yep its harsh but anyone that denies it is not watching his games unbiased.
Put simply, If Polson is named in teams announced tomorrow it tells me the club is not serious about winning this week.
If kicking goals was the only requirement to win games of football why do we pick defenders, rucks and midfielders ?
I think under the new rules cleanly winning the midfield and then kicking straight basically wins the game.
So I'd load up on blokes who can do a midfield rotation then push forward, ahead of too many set forwards or set defenders. I'll be surprised if all three of Charlie, McKay and McGovern play forward, but I can see Charlie in the midfield rotations pushing forward.
I hope we give Cunningham a good crack at the centre bounces.
Seemed to make an impact each time they put him in there during the JLT.
Not the perfect player but he's got that quickness off the mark which is hard to stop around stoppages.
I hope we give Cunningham a good crack at the centre bounces.
Seemed to make an impact each time they put him in there during the JLT.
Not the perfect player but he's got that quickness off the mark which is hard to stop around stoppages.
Yes, if Cuningham can build on his JLT form he will be in for a good season.
He has the attributes to capitalise on the opportunities the 6-6-6 rule will provide ... and he has been productive around the goals.
Carrazzo first game. Picked on HBF
Carrazzo second game. Picked in the BP.
Carrazzo 3rd game. BP
4th game...BP
Do i need to continue?
Lets.
Where was Carrazzo picked?
First game HBF
Next 13 games BP
Next 4 games C / R
Next 1 game HBF
Next 1 game BP
Next 2 games bench
I couldn't be bothered continuing from here. I think you get the point. Well, you should've got it the first time, but i digress.
Thats his first 22 games. Polson has played just 13 so far....at a younger age by comparison.
As for the rest of your critique on my analysis, i've already gone into detail of the pros of playing Polson vs Fasolo previously. No need to go through it again.
No one doubts Carrots' first senior games (not as many as you suggest) were back pocket/HBF taking the opposition small forwards - doesn't mean he's not a mid through and through....
doesn't change the simple, glaringly obvious fact to most, that Polson - at this stage of his development - appears to be a net liability. If you're actually trying to win a game of footy.
As for the pressure wins games spin, well you do have a long held position of stating the bleeding obvious.....
If kicking goals was the only requirement to win games of football why do we pick defenders, rucks and midfielders ?
You missed the point completely.
Polson is not to the standard of even an average AFL player and if we are serious about winning against a top 4 team we need players who capable to compete against an even higher level which is why I said if we are serious Polson can't play.
Maybe BB reads this forum? ;)
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/cellar-dweller-to-weller-feller-at-tigers-20190319-p515kq.html
Their opponents Carlton, meanwhile, will select former Collingwood forward Alex Fasolo as one of four recruits from other clubs to line up for the Blues for the first time, along with No.1 draft pick Sam Walsh and VFL recruit Michael Gibbons.
In all, the Blues are expected to have six newcomers for the opening game: ex-Crow Mitch McGovern, former Giants midfielder Will Setterfield, ex-Swans defender Nic Newman, Gibbons, Fasolo and the highly impressive Walsh.
I also heard Fasolo has been told he is playing. Be interesting to see who is left out. I wouldn't be surprised if Garlett doesn't play, and Murphy goes to a HBF. Alternatively Gibbons might play VFL, although I'd prefer him in the FP than Fasolo at this stage. Will be interested to see if Fasolo has lifted his defensive intensity
Before i comment about polson, again, let me point out that this time last year i was saying he was #1 in line for delisting at the end of the year. As it turns out, he lifted and showed me something i didn;t think he had in him. Not much, but glimpses. Come end of year and 12(?) others are shown the door in one way or another before him.
Back to Polson...you say we can't afford the luxury of a defensive forward line player like Polson. I say we can't afford to carry 2 specialist FP players who offer little else for the team, including defensive pressure.
Having Gibbons and Fasolo in the same forward line with the 3 key forwards will offer very little resistance to the defenders should they decide to run the ball out of defence. Further to that, we have blokes like Murphy and Garlett who are not known for their tackling or close checking either. Hell, throw in Cripps who has trouble catching up with his shadow and you see why we can't carry too many blokes who leave their opponent to run free. Hence the need for a player who will chase down his own opponent, but also chase after someone elses who has been 'let go'.
Forwards don't win you games.
Defenders don't win you games.
Midfielders don't win you games.
Pressure wins you games.
If you harrass the opposition for 100% of the time they have the ball, you win the game.
In a critical first out game such as this, you need more than 'glimpses' and potential. Fas has proven himself in big games.
No point applying pressure if when you have aggott in hand you give it back to the opposition.
I say we can't afford to carry 2 specialist FP players who offer little else for the team, including defensive pressure.
Having Gibbons and Fasolo in the same forward line with the 3 key forwards will offer very little resistance to the defenders should they decide to run the ball out of defence.
Hold on, Gibbons has been an outstanding inside/outside mid all during his VFL career, now he's a "specialist FP" with nothing else to offer....? And no defensive pressure? That's not what I saw from Gibbons in the JLT games!
And even Fas has been known to have cameos in the middle....
Hmm, very self serving concoction me thinks.
As a specialist forward especially at the G, Alex Fasolo wins hands down over Gibbons no question. Gibbons in the midfield interchangeable with Fasolo.
Also I think Garlett should play too can sparkle as a dynamic forward and he’ll be an alternate option around the ground, will the spaces a5 the G.
Lynch to play!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tom-lynch-to-make-tigers-debut-against-carlton-20190320-p515ps.html
Fasalo has to kick goals to be effective and hopefully the new rules with 6 on 6 will suit him as he is a strong mark for his inches and capable on the deck.
He wont give much defensive pressure but if he kicks 2-3 goals and can be part of another couple then he has probably done his job.
Agree with Fly on Gibbons.....is a midfielder in the main but has shown in the JLT games he is a smart footballer who can also play forward and if you ever watched him play for Willy he would drift forward take the odd mark through better judgement and does apply pressure by laying some good tackles.
He will take a turn in the midfield when we need a change too but with our midfield batting deeper I dont expect him to get a lot of minutes yet..
Gibbons will put his head over the ball and contest well....with players like Garlett and Cuningham you are never sure what you are getting on the day and how switched on they are..
Lynch to play!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tom-lynch-to-make-tigers-debut-against-carlton-20190320-p515ps.html
Never in doubt. Was always going to play.
Lynch to play!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tom-lynch-to-make-tigers-debut-against-carlton-20190320-p515ps.html
Hopefully he will be overawed with the whole thing being it will be the biggest crowd he has ever played in front of. I think he will kick 1.3 ... fingers crossed :D
If Fasolo plays tomorrow as reported then I'd think Polson probably misses out. For mine Garlett didn't show much in the JLT games but probably keeps his spot by virtue of his pace...something we don't have much of coming out of the backline.
Never in doubt. Was always going to play.
Agree.....with his track record vs us and all the hype around him he was always going to play even if he was/is underdone.
If the ball is down our forward line more then he wont be a factor......
I expect a full on commitment as this will chart what the recruiting over summer was all about.
That much is pretty obvious. I don't expect a win but I do demand some decent coaching
Too much is riding on anything less.
Well done Sam Walsh :) :)
Agree.....with his track record vs us and all the hype around him he was always going to play even if he was/is underdone.
If the ball is down our forward line more then he wont be a factor......
Yet he only started full contact training 2 weeks ago.....I think it evidences how desperate Dimma is...especiallly with the other outs.
Very very risky. For Lynch's future as much as anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBK0iblsU1c
Plenty of luck and bad defensive teamwork in that lot...
To be fair to Lynch, it'll be similar to McGovern for us.....it'll take a bit of time to gel with the other forwards. McGovern won't be wanting to fly for pack marks and competing against Curnow and McKay in the air....same for Lynch and Reiwoldt...but I'd assume Reiwoldt will push up the ground a bit more and Lynch will work out of the goalsquare and on the lead. He flogged Jones the last time they played on each other and if he gets off the leash again here we're in trouble.
To be fair to Lynch, it'll be similar to McGovern for us.....it'll take a bit of time to gel with the other forwards. McGovern won't be wanting to fly for pack marks and competing against Curnow and McKay in the air....same for Lynch and Reiwoldt...but I'd assume Reiwoldt will push up the ground a bit more and Lynch will work out of the goalsquare and on the lead. He flogged Jones the last time they played on each other and if he gets off the leash again here we're in trouble.
Just as they'll be in trouble if Big H or Charlie get off the leash.
Alex Rance - 194cm, 95kg
Astbury - 195cm, 96kg
Charlie - 194cm, 91kg (but the best athlete by far....and aerialist)
Big H - 200cm, 95kg.
Add in wing span and someone is conceding a lot of height against a bloke who can mark and run.
So who gets the Gov? Grimes presumably.
Again, if we win the midfield, Lynch won't get off the leash and more than likely one of our forwards will.
Rance and Astbury won't fly against Harry so height doesn't matter. They'll do what they do best, body him off line as he's preparing to jump at the ball. He needs to be leading up hard at the ball so they can't do their usual tricks
He flogged Jones the last time they played on each other and if he gets off the leash again here we're in trouble.
It's interesting, I've read a few comments on other forums that in the 2nd last game against us, Rnd 13 2017, Jones kept Lynch goaless and to 10 possessions.
I suppose fans are inclined to remember the bad and forget the good, I suspect Nthmond fans and media are remembering those bags of goals and are ignorant of the other matches as well.
In the game before that, Rnd 4 2017, it was Rowe who let Lynch off the hook and Jones didn't play, after Lynch had kicked a few we tried to use Weitering to put the breaks on but by then Ablett Jnr was in full gear and destroying our midfield!
I see no reason why Jones can't do the same again, and I suspect it will depend more on the players around Jones and the team structures than the individual!
Bolts has confirmed that these players will make their debut for Carlton tomorrow night.
Walsh
Gibbons
McGovern
Fasolo
Setterfield
Newman
Kruzer will not play with Andrews set to take his place.
On the Carlton website.
Bolts has confirmed that these players will make their debut for Carlton tomorrow night.
Walsh
Gibbons
McGovern
Fasolo
Setterfield
Newman
Kruzer will not play with Andrews set to take his place.
On the Carlton website.
Ronnie Andrews?
Reckon Lynch will withdrawal at the 11th hour....
Ronnie Andrews would still be scary even now i reckon
If all 6 play it's almost a third of our team brand new. And all of them are really ready to play now.
The biggest impact is no doubt up forward.
We look way better balanced now. Both in terms of age profile and team shape. Gibbons, Curnow and Cunningham up forward makes us look a lot more dangerous at ground level and Gov/Fas gives us increased marking strength.
McKay, Curnow, Fasolo and McGovern have to pull down their marks to make it go from functional to dangerous.
Rance and Astbury won't fly against Harry so height doesn't matter. They'll do what they do best, body him off line as he's preparing to jump at the ball. He needs to be leading up hard at the ball so they can't do their usual tricks
Agree with you, let’s hope Teague has been drilling it home. Harry has to use the spaces as Fasolo does he’ll be a good mentor, a specialist at the G loves a big game.
Reckon Lynch will withdrawal at the 11th hour....
I wouldn't be surprised. But we saw how ordinary Daniher was first run back after a long absence. It could very easily work in our favour if he plays.
I wouldn't be surprised. But we saw how ordinary Daniher was first run back after a long absence. It could very easily work in our favour if he plays.
Even if he played at VFL level, he wouldn't be onfield for more than a half.....that's how the science rolls these days.
Bewildered Fasolo gets a start considering his F up and zero elapsed form.
Bewildered Fasolo gets a start considering his F up and zero elapsed form.
So how much longer does he have to pay for his indiscretion ?
he has obviously done everything right since to be considered.
Maybe he has been dominating intra club match stimulation and has been
doing twice as well as Polson therefore jumping him ?
So how much longer does he have to pay for his indiscretion ?
he has obviously done everything right since to be considered.
Maybe he has been dominating intra club match stimulation and has been
doing twice as well as Polson therefore jumping him ?
Every Coach in the comp., without hesitation, would pick Fasolo before Polson...
I hear what you're saying but it seems like handing out a game too easily for mind.... I would be a lot happier if he had played a JLT game as well.
His F up was major, in my view he's lucky he wasn't shown the door. We're a professional club, not a place for wash outs to crash and collect their super cheque.
So how much longer does he have to pay for his indiscretion ?
he has obviously done everything right since to be considered.
Spot on.
Assuming Fasolo plays, as suggested, my thoughts on the team (remembering bench positions can vary at the start):
Plowman Jones Simpson
Thomas Weitering Newman
Fisher Petrevski-Seton Setterfield
Murphy C. Curnow Cunningham
McGovern McKay Fasolo
R: Phillips, Cripps, Walsh
I/C: Gibbons, Dow, E. Curnow, Garlett
I guess there's always an argument for Ed Curnow to start in the middle if he's playing a shutdown role. And Paddy Dow could easily take Cunningham's spot on a flank to start.
Interested to see what others thing. And assuming too that Silvagni misses out.
Bewildered Fasolo gets a start considering his F up and zero elapsed form.
I agree......
I agree......
Let's move on folks - and hope Fas kicks 5!
The weather ;)
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Ronnie Andrews?
Good
Give us a bit of mongrel.
Thanks for the update Fly....with the 3 hour time difference here I'll be shutting up shop at work and heading home early to catch the start!!!
Paying $5.25 for a Carlton win....that's worth a $50 punt I reckon.
Thanks for the update Fly....with the 3 hour time difference here I'll be shutting up shop at work and heading home early to catch the start!!!
Paying $5.25 for a Carlton win....that's worth a $50 punt I reckon.
Better taking the margin wins....eg i got 19s for a Blues win by >24 pts.
And 6.5s for a 1 to 39 pts win......
Bewildered Fasolo gets a start considering his F up and zero elapsed form.
Fasolo was always going to play.
he did the right thing after the muck-up and apologised to the right people, then went out and trained his guts out.
After that he had the people that count on his side.
Bolts has confirmed that these players will make their debut for Carlton tomorrow night.
Walsh
Gibbons
McGovern
Fasolo
Setterfield
Newman
Kruzer will not play with Andrews set to take his place.
On the Carlton website.
6 damn good new boys there.
6 damn good new boys there.
x100.
Blues by plenty - 40 points!! ;) ;)
No one doubts Carrots' first senior games (not as many as you suggest) were back pocket/HBF taking the opposition small forwards - doesn't mean he's not a mid through and through....
doesn't change the simple, glaringly obvious fact to most, that Polson - at this stage of his development - appears to be a net liability. If you're actually trying to win a game of footy.
As for the pressure wins games spin, well you do have a long held position of stating the bleeding obvious.....
re bold. Its all there in the Blueseum. Free for anyone to look up themselves.
As for stating the bleeding obvious....see the point above. I state it, you ignore it. Perhaps i'm not the problem with that one? ;)
I hear what you're saying but it seems like handing out a game too easily for mind.... I would be a lot happier if he had played a JLT game as well.
His F up was major, in my view he's lucky he wasn't shown the door. We're a professional club, not a place for wash outs to crash and collect their super cheque.
Yep. The '23rd player' would be mighty upset he's been left out of the side for a bloke who hasn't played a game, and has f***ed up in the off-season.
Sure, he 'may' have done the right things since, but would you expect otherwise?
It appears he hasn't suffered a penalty, and has been rewarded.
Not good for team morale i suspect.
He better put in a blinder and reward the coach for his inclusion.
x100.
Blues by plenty - 40 points!! ;) ;)
Smash em like guitars
Yep. The '23rd player' would be mighty upset he's been left out of the side for a bloke who hasn't played a game, and has f***ed up in the off-season.
Sure, he 'may' have done the right things since, but would you expect otherwise?
It appears he hasn't suffered a penalty, and has been rewarded.
Not good for team morale i suspect.
He better put in a blinder and reward the coach for his inclusion.
No, the 23rd player might simply suck it up and say i need to get better to earn a spot. ???
No, the 23rd player might simply suck it up and say i need to get better to earn a spot. ???
You'd hope he comes around to that way of thinking, but i'd suggest his first thoughts would be otherwise.
CARLTON
B Jarrod Garlett, Liam Jones, Lachie Plowman
HB Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
C Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps, Zac Fisher
HF Michael Gibbons, Charlie Curnow, Sam Walsh
F Ed Curnow, Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay
FOL Andrew Phillips, Paddy Dow, Sam Petrevski-Seton
I/C Dale Thomas, David Cuningham, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield
EMG Cameron Polson, Lochie O'Brien, Levi Casboult, Matthew Lobbe
NEW Nic Newman, Michael Gibbons, Sam Walsh, Mitch McGovern, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield
RICHMOND
B Alex Rance, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes
HB Nick Vlastuin, Bachar Houli, Jayden Short
C Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin, Kamdyn McIntosh
HF Daniel Rioli, Dan Butler, Maverick Weller
F Jack Riewoldt, Dustin Martin, Tom J. Lynch
FOL Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Kane Lambert
I/C Noah Balta, Jack Higgins, Jack Graham, Nathan Broad
EMG Ivan Soldo, Brandon Ellis, Oleg Markov, Connor Menadue
NEW Maverick Weller, Tom J. Lynch, Noah Balta
RICHMOND
B Alex Rance, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes
HB Nick Vlastuin, Bachar Houli, Jayden Short
C Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin, Kamdyn McIntosh
HF Daniel Rioli, Dan Butler, Maverick Weller
F Jack Riewoldt, Dustin Martin, Tom J. Lynch
FOL Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Kane Lambert
I/C Noah Balta, Jack Higgins, Jack Graham, Nathan Broad
EMG Ivan Soldo, Brandon Ellis, Oleg Markov, Connor Menadue
NEW Maverick Weller, Tom J. Lynch, Noah Balta
Caro was saying 2 days ago that if Lynch didn't get up, they'd bring in Bolta. It was one or the other.
The fact both are picked suggests to me that Lynch will be a late withdrawal.
Possible Kruddler but he might also play a swingman role too if they need an extra tall down back....and Balta will probably be backup ruckman to Nankervis. I can see them both playing.
CARLTON
B Jarrod Garlett, Liam Jones, Lachie Plowman
HB Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
C Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps, Zac Fisher
HF Michael Gibbons, Charlie Curnow, Sam Walsh
F Ed Curnow, Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay
FOL Andrew Phillips, Paddy Dow, Sam Petrevski-Seton
I/C Dale Thomas, David Cuningham, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield
EMG Cameron Polson, Lochie O'Brien, Levi Casboult, Matthew Lobbe
NEW Nic Newman, Michael Gibbons, Sam Walsh, Mitch McGovern, Alex Fasolo, Will Setterfield
RICHMOND
B Alex Rance, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes
HB Nick Vlastuin, Bachar Houli, Jayden Short
C Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin, Kamdyn McIntosh
HF Daniel Rioli, Dan Butler, Maverick Weller
F Jack Riewoldt, Dustin Martin, Tom J. Lynch
FOL Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Kane Lambert
I/C Noah Balta, Jack Higgins, Jack Graham, Nathan Broad
EMG Ivan Soldo, Brandon Ellis, Oleg Markov, Connor Menadue
NEW Maverick Weller, Tom J. Lynch, Noah Balta
I don't like that we have only 1 ruck option, although I guess Richmond is the same.
I agree......
Me too, very surprised
Just thinking more about this, I am really surprised that Fasolo was selected ahead of the likes of Silvagni and Polson (and others). I thought one of the mantras of the club over the past few years was to clean out the dheads and build a list of quality people who play for each other. Guys like Polson and Silvagni have worked their butts off for the past 3 years, and at times played some decent footy. They are both still young and could become good players with sufficient game time. Then we pick up Fasolo as a free agent. I didn't know much about him except he has battled with depression, which of course I would never hold against him. But he comes to the club and at the first opportunity goes out and gets hammered, falls over and breaks his arm. It was only after that that some Filth mates told me he had a reputation as a party boy, and they were not surprised. Then they tell me the reason he hasn't got a game at the Filth in the past couple of years is because he has zero defensive intensity. They laughed at us for picking him up. The scenes I saw at the camp a couple of months ago were a united team, all mates, and that bodes very well for improving as a football team. But this is the kind of thing that could create division, and get some guys wondering if the selectors have favourites, and it doesn't matter how hard they work. Because there is no valid reason, based on the last two years of AFL, that Fasolo would be selected before either Polson or Silvagni, they both have him clearly covered. He hasn't played a practice game or JLT game with our other forwards, so I guess there's a chance they'll just get in each others way. I hope Fasolo kicks 5 tomorrow night, I hope he has his best year of footy ever and kicks 50, I really do, but I also hope this doesn't send a signal to our fringe players that there are favourites based on dubious reputation, because we will get injuries, and we need our fringe players to be cherry ripe mentally and ready to give it everything they've got when we need them. I think the right decision would have been to play Fasolo in the NBs. It's likely we'll lose a few games early in the season so it would be easy to bring him in once he has a couple of games under his belt. And that would send all the right messages
Maverick Weller getting a game....
Scraping the bottom of the depth barrel already.
Yes, re Weller.
Re Fas, who knows, maybe the incident was truly innocuous?
The bloke is a star at his best....hold fire, ok?
Fasolo is a G specialist , loves a big occasion game, experienced goal kicker, he’s ready to redress is boo -boo and
show the Pies they were wrong to let him go.
show the Pies they were wrong to let him go.
Revenge and ‘stick it up ‘em’ are great motivators!!
I don't like that we have only 1 ruck option, although I guess Richmond is the same.
Our ruck back ups far exceed theirs i.e. Jones and Harry?
Because there is no valid reason, based on the last two years of AFL, that Fasolo would be selected before either Polson or Silvagni, they both have him clearly covered.
Now that's a rather silly statement Jack Burton....
Ronnie Andrews?
Ha Ha I meant to say Andrews Phillips. ;D ;D
The last 4 clashes with the Tigers...
1. We would have 1 or 2 poor quarters.
2. We get overrun in the last quarter (young blokes getting tired).
Will the trend stop tonight?
The boys need to win for Smurf!
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-03-18/250-of-the-best
Now that's a rather silly statement Jack Burton....
Maybe. Fasolo has played 20 games in the last 2 years for 29 goals (1.5/game) and 39 tackles (1.9/game). Jack has played 35 games for 25 goals (0.7/game) and 93 tackles (2.7/game). Polson 13 games for 3 goals (0.2/game) and 41 tackles (3.2/game). So both Jack and Polson have Fasolo covered for tackles, and he's just in front of Jack for goals (by 0.74 goals per game). Fasolo also spent a lot of games last year while fit playing at VFL level. I don't think he's as far ahead of these (younger) guys as you think. I hope to be proven wrong tonight
Maybe. Fasolo has played 20 games in the last 2 years for 29 goals (1.5/game) and 39 tackles (1.9/game). Jack has played 35 games for 25 goals (0.7/game) and 93 tackles (2.7/game). Polson 13 games for 3 goals (0.2/game) and 41 tackles (3.2/game). So both Jack and Polson have Fasolo covered for tackles, and he's just in front of Jack for goals (by 0.74 goals per game). Fasolo also spent a lot of games last year while fit playing at VFL level. I don't think he's as far ahead of these (younger) guys as you think. I hope to be proven wrong tonight
No way Jack is going to get a gig as a 4th tall in the forward line - no good for team balance....
And Polson just isn't up to it (yet) imo.
Bolton clearly thinks he can win this....
Defensive pressure....no reason to think Fas any worse than countless others across the AFL. He has a role to play and if he doesn't....
They say his fitness levels are very, very good - that always helps. And he has a point to prove - to his team mates, to us and to the wider aFL community? That should be a decent motivation?
I'm sure Dimma would rather Polson play than Fasolo?
Interesting Kennedy couldn't even get into the emergencies? Team looks good on paper with the exception of Garlett who makes me nervous. Think they're trying to re-invent a Chris Yarran type but he was much better.
Hope they can at least fight it out to the end ala last JLT v Collingwood. 4 quarter efforts is all I'm after.
Interesting Kennedy couldn't even get into the emergencies? Team looks good on paper with the exception of Garlett who makes me nervous. Think they're trying to re-invent a Chris Yarran type but he was much better.
Hope they can at least fight it out to the end ala last JLT v Collingwood. 4 quarter efforts is all I'm after.
Agree on Garlett....Higgins and Rioli his most likely opponents and I dont like Garlett vs either off them...the other one to watch out for is Jayden Short off the half back line, regular goalkicker
and his opponent will need to be concentrating as he sneaks down forward for the easy hand off from outside 50 and knows where the goals are...
I've commented previously on these forums about Garlett and just not sure he has a truly defensive side to his game. If he's playing in the backline it's for his run and carry out of defence, not for his ability to shut a bloke down IMO.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and we'll know by this time tomorrow, but I think the punt on Fasolo is worth it....big game, big crowd....he can be a match winner with a dozen possessions. I think Ed Curnow and Gibbons can provide the defensive pressure in the forward line anyway and plenty of the mids push forward. Not a knock on Polson but just not sure the rest of his game is up to the occasion right at the minute.
Surely Ed will be used as a stopper on Martin? And/or Cotchin?
I reckon we might see Smurf off the HB line and Garlett up forward....
Covering pace in the back half is a bit of a problem position for us. Garlett is giving it a crack. Had a shocking start in that pos in the practice match against the dawks. Has shown improvement ever since. He's still got a long way to go but will be a big win if he works out.
Plowman isn't quick and neither is Daisy or Newman. Simmo isn't a racehorse either - so we need some speed down there. Hopefully we see Williamson back sooner rather than later.
I reckon we might see Smurf off the HB line and Garlett up forward....
Surely that will never happen.
His defensive efforts are.... not great
I won't be shedding any tears if Ed's elbow accidentally impacts a tiger player's throat.
Maverick Weller getting a game....
Scraping the bottom of the depth barrel already.
And what about the most overrated player in the comp (IMO) Tom Lynch getting a game not having played a game since rnd 14 last year. I hope that selection bites the arrogant kents on the ass.
Getting excited now. Expecting us to win is a folly (for me), but excited nonetheless!
From the Hun:
Final teams
Alistair Paton
The final team sheets are in – and there are no late changes for either Carlton or Richmond tonight.
Both teams will go in as named.
Interesting Kennedy couldn't even get into the emergencies?
he has a shoulder injury.
It’s been a while since I looked forward to a footy season with such enthusiasm. As Bolts and Murph both stated, the reset has finished and we have the list to take us forward.
Go Blues!
In my seat and ready to go, let's do this!
Go Blues!!!
Sadly, still no good imo :(
Gee 1 - 31.
Not a good start by any stretch of the imagination.
C'mon Blues
Same defensive weaknesses as last year.
No pressure and teams just waltz down the field.
Charlie dropped 2 sitters so far...wtf :o Oh and the Gov already in defence
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=4408.0
Let's use the right thread folks