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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #30 –
Quote from: LP on
No Kemp, ................... no options.
Kemp has to be an in.....and Id be considering McGovern for Fritsch if fit and ready and making the Melb player work a bit harder defending when we rebound. Kemp might have to play on Petracca when he goes forward and its going to be challenging finding a player for Williams to operate on...

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #31 –
Not to mention TDK has been a very dangerous addition to the forwardline, and he has been scoring his 1 to 2 goals a game (should have had 3 against the Pies, but missed one that was gettable).

I think we just need to tidy it up a bit, and be a bit smarter and we will be fine.  No need to panic, its not a personell issue, its an execution problem. 
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #32 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Not to mention TDK has been a very dangerous addition to the forwardline, and he has been scoring his 1 to 2 goals a game (should have had 3 against the Pies, but missed one that was gettable).

I think we just need to tidy it up a bit, and be a bit smarter and we will be fine.  No need to panic, its not a personell issue, its an execution problem. 

We've lost our run and dare from beginning of year and now handballing backwards - the lack of run from behind for the handball receive to slice an opportunity through the corridor has gone completely missing. Not enough run... and it's frustrating to watch.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #33 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Not to mention TDK has been a very dangerous addition to the forwardline, and he has been scoring his 1 to 2 goals a game (should have had 3 against the Pies, but missed one that was gettable).

I think we just need to tidy it up a bit, and be a bit smarter and we will be fine.  No need to panic, its not a personell issue, its an execution problem.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #34 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Not to mention TDK has been a very dangerous addition to the forwardline, and he has been scoring his 1 to 2 goals a game (should have had 3 against the Pies, but missed one that was gettable).

I think we just need to tidy it up a bit, and be a bit smarter and we will be fine.  No need to panic, its not a personell issue, its an execution problem. 
Yes. This week, they have gun defenders in  May Lever and McDonald to have a dance with Charlie Harry and Tom.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Not to mention TDK has been a very dangerous addition to the forwardline, and he has been scoring his 1 to 2 goals a game (should have had 3 against the Pies, but missed one that was gettable).

I think we just need to tidy it up a bit, and be a bit smarter and we will be fine.  No need to panic, its not a personell issue, its an execution problem. 

I'd have to agree. I was frustrated whilst watching the game and in the immediate aftermath. It felt like a rugby fest. But in hindsight I think the two teams were more even than many suggest.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #36 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Not to mention TDK has been a very dangerous addition to the forwardline, and he has been scoring his 1 to 2 goals a game (should have had 3 against the Pies, but missed one that was gettable).

I think we just need to tidy it up a bit, and be a bit smarter and we will be fine.  No need to panic, its not a personell issue, its an execution problem. 

Yes, one goal in the four games BP and and five in the four WP games is a fair improvement.

I tend to agree that we're not doing too much wrong and a tweak here and there should get us back on the winning list.  However, I do think that our personnel comes into it too.  We've gone about as far as we can go with the "next man up" and need to start replacing some of those next men with the likes of Martin, McGovern and Motlop.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #37 –
For me it:

FB Nic Newman   Jacob Weitering   Jordan Boyd
HB Brodie Kemp   Mitch McGovern   Caleb Marchbank
C Blake Acres   Patrick Cripps   Oliver Hollands
HF Matt Cottrell   Charlie Curnow   David Cuningham
FF Tom De Koning   Harry McKay   Matt Owies
F Marc Pittonet   Adam Cerra   Sam Walsh
INT George Hewett   Matthew Kennedy   Elijah Hollands   Corey Durdin
SUB Lachlan Cowan or Alex Cincotta

IN McGovern Kemp Marchbank Hollands
OUT Williams Fantasia Young Cowan or Cincotta

Completely new HB line
Ollie back in on a wing
We played the two rucks, no Harry and won that epic final.
We had Doc and Saady though.
Durdin Cunningham Elijah, consider yourselves lucky. Voss might not be as kind to you.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #38 –
Docherty is a massive out for us...chuck in no Saad and McG and all our smarter defensive types are missing.

I don't expect any big ins this week.  They're not ready.  But now that we've been written off for the year maybe we'll find the correct mindset again.  Heads got a bit big I reckon.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #39 –
Quote from: DJC on
Yes, one goal in the four games BP and and five in the four WP games is a fair improvement.

I tend to agree that we're not doing too much wrong and a tweak here and there should get us back on the winning list.  However, I do think that our personnel comes into it too.  We've gone about as far as we can go with the "next man up" and need to start replacing some of those next men with the likes of Martin, McGovern and Motlop.

Agree... and disagree to a degree, David.

There was a reasonable expectation that after 33% of the season played we'd find ourselves in the top 4. Yes, the season is still young. But we find ourselves hanging on in 8th place with 2 real tough games ahead.

If we zoom out and be objective, we're a much better side than recent years, but any papered over cracks our now obvious. We've not taken the next step... yet. We have it in us. As an aside, it was a very strange feeling being in the crowd last Friday evening. Bagger fans were strangely pensive. Like a collective unconscious doubt. I couldn't feel any optimism. Others around me had the same feeling. None of us were surprised we lost. Weird.

We have the personnel, no doubt - players and coaches (though I still firmly believe we need a coaching influence on game day from someone with strong strategic ability - Hodge? Ratts?). But we still have a midfield, forward line connection issue. Not helped by 'bombing' onto the heads of H / Charles... not kicking to where they're leading to or should be. Lacking efficiency - over possessing/stuffing around with the aggot.

Seeing Martin & Motlop as being the Messiah's is fraught with danger. Though the absence of Fantasia would be a positive step. We can't afford the luxury of carrying anyone. Last Friday evening seeing Fantasia in the starting 22 ...again, along with Martin on the last line and Chugga being the emergency were absolute howlers. And most of us knew just that before the ball was bounced to start the game.

I still firmly believe that going into the Go Dees game on Thursday evening with a strong, committed and ruthless mindset of being the 'hunters' (for all 120 minutes) will resolve many an issue.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #40 –
I suppose many could argue we made finals last season from a much lower base, the trick this year might be not wasting a better start to the season.

But regardless of intent and work ethic, luck still plays a huge part at the end of the season, you can make some of your own luck, but you can't make all of it.

Sometimes the luck of somebody else is more important than your own!
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #41 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
For me it:

FB Nic Newman   Jacob Weitering   Jordan Boyd
HB Brodie Kemp   Mitch McGovern   Caleb Marchbank
C Blake Acres   Patrick Cripps   Oliver Hollands
HF Matt Cottrell   Charlie Curnow   David Cuningham
FF Tom De Koning   Harry McKay   Matt Owies
F Marc Pittonet   Adam Cerra   Sam Walsh
INT George Hewett   Matthew Kennedy   Elijah Hollands   Corey Durdin
SUB Lachlan Cowan or Alex Cincotta

IN McGovern Kemp Marchbank Hollands
OUT Williams Fantasia Young Cowan or Cincotta

Completely new HB line
Ollie back in on a wing
We played the two rucks, no Harry and won that epic final.
We had Doc and Saady though.
Durdin Cunningham Elijah, consider yourselves lucky. Voss might not be as kind to you.


Like it, GTC... however... no way would I bring in Marchbank until he's regained match form in the Magoos. I'd back Cincotta and Cowan down back, but give them license to run-off their opponents.

Kemp for moi is a quandary. I love his attack and offensive game. Too good to be in the Magoos. Stubbornly refusing to try him elsewhere on the ground may be an issue.

Agree with no Young in your side. Too limited and one-dimensional. Understand including him because of his height, and he competes quite well in that regard, but he offers little else.

Ollie Hollands didn't front up for the Magoos game... if he does come in on the wing, perhaps a defensive role on Ed? Must say I prefer Acres and Cotters on the wings.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #42 –
I'm assuming Young only stayed in the side because of Cox.

Out: Williams, Young
In: Kemp, McGovern
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #43 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
For me it:

FB Nic Newman   Jacob Weitering   Jordan Boyd
HB Brodie Kemp   Mitch McGovern   Caleb Marchbank
C Blake Acres   Patrick Cripps   Oliver Hollands
HF Matt Cottrell   Charlie Curnow   David Cuningham
FF Tom De Koning   Harry McKay   Matt Owies
F Marc Pittonet   Adam Cerra   Sam Walsh
INT George Hewett   Matthew Kennedy   Elijah Hollands   Corey Durdin
SUB Lachlan Cowan or Alex Cincotta

IN McGovern Kemp Marchbank Hollands
OUT Williams Fantasia Young Cowan or Cincotta

Completely new HB line
Ollie back in on a wing
We played the two rucks, no Harry and won that epic final.
We had Doc and Saady though.
Durdin Cunningham Elijah, consider yourselves lucky. Voss might not be as kind to you.

Apparently, Martin is ready this week too. I'd let Marchbank play the twos as I worry about bringing in too many that have missed a bit of football.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #44 –
Martin needs to play VFL.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!