Post 2007 saw somewhat of a Carlton FC rebirth...not of the kind that many long-time fans are used to, littered with premierships, but to be simply back and involved in finals footy and daring to dream yet again.
The arrival of Chris Judd sent everyone into raptures about how he'll lead us to our next flag and we will once again wear the crown of most premierships in the competition. Some of the expectations were clouded by judgement from too much excitement, others were clouded by experiences of glory years past, while some just innocently dared to dream.
Fast forward to 2014 coming into a new season. Reflect and elaborate on your expectations of where you thought Carlton footy club would be at this point in time (2014), and whether it was a justifiable expectation, one clouded through the rollercoaster emotions of our game, or if you'd chosen a more cautious approach and had expectations in line with our current reality.
Personally, I was guilty of a bit of premiership dreaming at the end of 2011 into the first three rounds of 2012. Justifiable? Well, the brave effort the boys put in against WCE over in Perth in that final, after belting Essendon in the EF the week before had me dreaming for season 2012.
Thought we'd have played off in a Grand Final at the very least by now, and given some of the footy we played from late 2011 to very very early 2012, it was probably justifiable. On reflection, I was way off.
Since mid 2012 however, my expectations have lowered to be more in line with our current reality. Am tipping us to miss the eight in 2014, though if everything goes right, we could finish as high as sixth.
Be interesting to read what some of you had been expecting years ago when the 'Judd Era' began and whether or not the club's reality at this point in time matches up with said expectations of yesteryear.
Don't be shy. ;D
I believe the loss of Fevola put us back two years (or the time it has taken Henderson to come on). I think we would've been pushing very hard for a premiership had he been at the club in '11 and '12.
However, getting rid of him and Ratten was better for the future of the club and I'm excited at what Malthouse can provide for the recruiting and development of the club. But it may be too little, too late with the expansion clubs coming in and teams like Port and Dogs on the rise. I think Judd is fading, which may be better for the club as the rest of the players won't have to rely on him and his retirement won't hit us as hard.
As for 2014, I'm very optimistic (for the first time in years). The last month of 2013 we started to click and I thought Murphy matured as captain and Gibbs played the best month of his career. We made a dramatic improvement to our list (at least 2, if not, 3 players instantly in the best 22), a year of Malthouse weeding out the blokes not up to it, and the addition of Dean Laidley (I think this is massive). There's a heap of new faces and enthusiasm around the club and suddenly, instead of an automatic 22, we have blokes pushing for spots and we're starting to build depth.
note: when we lose to Port in rd. 1 these comments will be null and void.
I hope this is NOT Juddy's final year with the Mighty Blues.
I do, however, expect that we will see both sides of the Great man this year.
His body will not let him do what his heart wants to. But, his smarts will be invaluable - on and off the field.
However, his will will (only in the English language does that make sense) see his body achieve bursts of energy that will deliver serious impact in games this year. And that will lift his team mates.
I hope this is NOT Juddy's final year with the Mighty Blues.
I do, however, expect that we will see both sides of the Great man this year.
His body will not let him do what his heart wants to. But, his smarts will be invaluable - on and off the field.
However, his will will (only in the English language does that make sense) see his body achieve bursts of energy that will deliver serious impact in games this year. And that will lift his team mates.
One can only hope. ;)
I hope this is NOT Juddy's final year with the Mighty Blues.
I do, however, expect that we will see both sides of the Great man this year.
His body will not let him do what his heart wants to. But, his smarts will be invaluable - on and off the field.
However, his will will (only in the English language does that make sense) see his body achieve bursts of energy that will deliver serious impact in games this year. And that will lift his team mates.
One can only hope. ;)
If the rest of the boys stand up he'll go around again. If they continue this plateau and don't improve dramatically then he might call it a day.
I believe the loss of Fevola put us back two years (or the time it has taken Henderson to come on). I think we would've been pushing very hard for a premiership had he been at the club in '11 and '12.
Agree and until Hendo can play anywhere near Fev's level we won't be pushing at all.
What hurt us even more than the loss of Fevola was the lack of a backup key forward.... And no, setanta and hampson do not count. That's what hurt us more than Fev leaving....Hawks won't feel buddy's loss too much....roughead and gunston are there. We had nothing.
What hurt us even more than the loss of Fevola was the lack of a backup key forward.... And no, setanta and hampson do not count. That's what hurt us more than Fev leaving....Hawks won't feel buddy's loss too much....roughead and gunston are there. We had nothing.
Makes you wonder where we would be if we kept the pick and Kennedy and not traded for Judd. We would have traded Fev for Henderson and had Henderson and Kennedy in the forward 50m and taken Cotchin with the pick we traded and had a good mid for the next 6 to 8 years. I think we traded pick 3 out too from memory. Hawks won't miss Franklin as much as many thing I agree with. Roughead and Gunston will do enough damage for their squad.
Club believed flags (probably multiple) would be delivered. I thought we'd be able to nab (at least) one with Judd.
I think his recruitment led to a bit of complacency and we see the fruits of it now. Shame because the great man deserved better than that.
As for this year, he'll have two or three games where he tears opponents apart and probably a handful of games where he is quiet and the rest in between. Not sure Mick's game is suited to Judd TBH.
Club believed flags (probably multiple) would be delivered. I thought we'd be able to nab (at least) one with Judd.
I think his recruitment led to a bit of complacency and we see the fruits of it now. Shame because the great man deserved better than that.
As for this year, he'll have two or three games where he tears opponents apart and probably a handful of games where he is quiet and the rest in between. Not sure Mick's game is suited to Judd TBH.
I'm not bemoaning the recruitment of Judd at all for one second...but it had classic Carlton written all over it. Pull the cheque book out, get desired player and watch the flags roll in. Only problem is that method was dated 20 years ago.
Club believed flags (probably multiple) would be delivered. I thought we'd be able to nab (at least) one with Judd.
I think his recruitment led to a bit of complacency and we see the fruits of it now. Shame because the great man deserved better than that.
As for this year, he'll have two or three games where he tears opponents apart and probably a handful of games where he is quiet and the rest in between. Not sure Mick's game is suited to Judd TBH.
I think Malthouse's game plan chopped and changed quite a bit throughout the year. Once it is more settled, Judd will be the first to adapt to it. Hopefully the rest aren't too far behind.
Club believed flags (probably multiple) would be delivered. I thought we'd be able to nab (at least) one with Judd.
I think his recruitment led to a bit of complacency and we see the fruits of it now. Shame because the great man deserved better than that.
As for this year, he'll have two or three games where he tears opponents apart and probably a handful of games where he is quiet and the rest in between. Not sure Mick's game is suited to Judd TBH.
I'm not bemoaning the recruitment of Judd at all for one second...but it had classic Carlton written all over it. Pull the cheque book out, get desired player and watch the flags roll in. Only problem is that method was dated 20 years ago.
Probably would have worked if we had another player or two.
Club believed flags (probably multiple) would be delivered. I thought we'd be able to nab (at least) one with Judd.
I think his recruitment led to a bit of complacency and we see the fruits of it now. Shame because the great man deserved better than that.
As for this year, he'll have two or three games where he tears opponents apart and probably a handful of games where he is quiet and the rest in between. Not sure Mick's game is suited to Judd TBH.
I'm not bemoaning the recruitment of Judd at all for one second...but it had classic Carlton written all over it. Pull the cheque book out, get desired player and watch the flags roll in. Only problem is that method was dated 20 years ago.
Probably would have worked if we had another player or two.
Or as others have mentioned, not traded Fev upon entering our premiership window.
We were bouncing off the bottom of the competition and were absolutely broke...and out of favour with the AFL.
Fevola owes the club enormously for the constant level of attention he caused behind the scenes.
We are in a completely different situation these days thanks to Pratt, Matheson and Judd. They provided stability financially and increased results on and off the field.
We would have continued to be a total basketcase if they hadn't stepped up...
Then of course there's the argument that players like fev do not play in grand finals nor win premierships. Interesting fact that in 2010 we actually kicked more goals as a team than in 09 when fev kicked 89 goals
We were bouncing off the bottom of the competition and were absolutely broke...and out of favour with the AFL.
Fevola owes the club enormously for the constant level of attention he caused behind the scenes.
We are in a completely different situation these days thanks to Pratt, Matheson and Judd. They provided stability financially and increased results on and off the field.
We would have continued to be a total basketcase if they hadn't stepped up...
Makes me wonder why they didn't step up earlier before things spiralled totally out of control.
Then of course there's the argument that players like fev do not play in grand finals nor win premierships. Interesting fact that in 2010 we actually kicked more goals as a team than in 09 when fev kicked 89 goals
Total goals for the home and away season...
2008 - 323 (Fev - 99)
2009 - 333 (Fev - 89)
2010 - 315
2011 - 320
2012 - 299
2013 - 304
Then of course there's the argument that players like fev do not play in grand finals nor win premierships. Interesting fact that in 2010 we actually kicked more goals as a team than in 09 when fev kicked 89 goals
Total goals for the home and away season...
2008 - 323 (Fev - 99)
2009 - 333 (Fev - 89)
2010 - 315
2011 - 320
2012 - 299
2013 - 304
Righto, I stand corrected. Not too much difference in the goals however. And 2013 is a bit irrelevant to compare to fev of 08 and 09....by 2013 he was 31. Not sure his output would have been as good.
Then of course there's the argument that players like fev do not play in grand finals nor win premierships. Interesting fact that in 2010 we actually kicked more goals as a team than in 09 when fev kicked 89 goals
Total goals for the home and away season...
2008 - 323 (Fev - 99)
2009 - 333 (Fev - 89)
2010 - 315
2011 - 320
2012 - 299
2013 - 304
Righto, I stand corrected. Not too much difference in the goals however. And 2013 is a bit irrelevant to compare to fev of 08 and 09....by 2013 he was 31. Not sure his output would have been as good.
Yeah, but it was just to show that we haven't kicked as many goals a season since Fev. A good key forward makes a difference.
Fevola used to get us over the line in big games in front of big crowds, that's where he operated best. Perfect for finals footy. Would he have got us over the line in some of our narrow losses in 2010 and 2011? We can only guess but chances are yes considering we've been crying out for a decent forward ever since.
I feel sorry for him in that sense, he did the hard yards and performed consistently throughout our bleakest period. When we were finally good enough to challenge for a finals spot we decided to dump him and deprived him and us of the chance of him taking us all the way. It will forever remain as one of those great 'what ifs'. Once in a lifetime full forward ditched by club at 11 o'clock on premiership window. Club never wins premiership. CEO is happy though. ;)
Yeah, poor Fev. His thousand chances ran out. Poor bastard.
Post 2007 saw somewhat of a Carlton FC rebirth...not of the kind that many long-time fans are used to, littered with premierships, but to be simply back and involved in finals footy and daring to dream yet again.
The arrival of Chris Judd sent everyone into raptures about how he'll lead us to our next flag and we will once again wear the crown of most premierships in the competition. Some of the expectations were clouded by judgement from too much excitement, others were clouded by experiences of glory years past, while some just innocently dared to dream.
Fast forward to 2014 coming into a new season. Reflect and elaborate on your expectations of where you thought Carlton footy club would be at this point in time (2014), and whether it was a justifiable expectation, one clouded through the rollercoaster emotions of our game, or if you'd chosen a more cautious approach and had expectations in line with our current reality.
Personally, I was guilty of a bit of premiership dreaming at the end of 2011 into the first three rounds of 2012. Justifiable? Well, the brave effort the boys put in against WCE over in Perth in that final, after belting Essendon in the EF the week before had me dreaming for season 2012.
Thought we'd have played off in a Grand Final at the very least by now, and given some of the footy we played from late 2011 to very very early 2012, it was probably justifiable. On reflection, I was way off.
Since mid 2012 however, my expectations have lowered to be more in line with our current reality. Am tipping us to miss the eight in 2014, though if everything goes right, we could finish as high as sixth.
Be interesting to read what some of you had been expecting years ago when the 'Judd Era' began and whether or not the club's reality at this point in time matches up with said expectations of yesteryear.
Don't be shy. ;D
I do not expect to make the 8 this year.
Last year we finished 9th.
I expect Adelaide and North to go past. I expect Gold Coast to be knocking on the door of the 8. We cannot beat Footscray.
Of the present 8 I expect Collingwood to drop.
If the IN are issued on Napier Street, that might allow us to drop into the 8 again...
Might be very interesting times at Princes Park by years end given that Sticks is departing....
Fevola used to get us over the line in big games in front of big crowds, that's where he operated best. Perfect for finals footy. Would he have got us over the line in some of our narrow losses in 2010 and 2011? We can only guess but chances are yes considering we've been crying out for a decent forward ever since.
I feel sorry for him in that sense, he did the hard yards and performed consistently throughout our bleakest period. When we were finally good enough to challenge for a finals spot we decided to dump him and deprived him and us of the chance of him taking us all the way. It will forever remain as one of those great 'what ifs'. Once in a lifetime full forward ditched by club at 11 o'clock on premiership window. Club never wins premiership. CEO is happy though. ;)
Didnt stand up against the Saints ever.
Our Premiership window never even got close to open whilst he was with us.
I dont count losing in a qualifying as being close and if we were not a flash in the pan we would have at least played finals the following year.
Fevola used to get us over the line in big games in front of big crowds, that's where he operated best. Perfect for finals footy. Would he have got us over the line in some of our narrow losses in 2010 and 2011? We can only guess but chances are yes considering we've been crying out for a decent forward ever since.
I feel sorry for him in that sense, he did the hard yards and performed consistently throughout our bleakest period. When we were finally good enough to challenge for a finals spot we decided to dump him and deprived him and us of the chance of him taking us all the way. It will forever remain as one of those great 'what ifs'. Once in a lifetime full forward ditched by club at 11 o'clock on premiership window. Club never wins premiership. CEO is happy though. ;)
Didnt stand up against the Saints ever.
Our Premiership window never even got close to open whilst he was with us.
I dont count losing in a qualifying as being close and if we were not a flash in the pan we would have at least played finals the following year.
I reckon our window was going to open in the following two years with the natural improvement of the young players on our list. As it was there was definite improvement without Fev but we seemed to lack that killer punch.
Fevola used to get us over the line in big games in front of big crowds, that's where he operated best. Perfect for finals footy. Would he have got us over the line in some of our narrow losses in 2010 and 2011? We can only guess but chances are yes considering we've been crying out for a decent forward ever since.
I feel sorry for him in that sense, he did the hard yards and performed consistently throughout our bleakest period. When we were finally good enough to challenge for a finals spot we decided to dump him and deprived him and us of the chance of him taking us all the way. It will forever remain as one of those great 'what ifs'. Once in a lifetime full forward ditched by club at 11 o'clock on premiership window. Club never wins premiership. CEO is happy though. ;)
Didnt stand up against the Saints ever.
Our Premiership window never even got close to open whilst he was with us.
I dont count losing in a qualifying as being close and if we were not a flash in the pan we would have at least played finals the following year.
I reckon our window was going to open in the following two years with the natural improvement of the young players on our list. As it was there was definite improvement without Fev but we seemed to lack that killer punch.
But perhaps with better drafting and planning, that killer instinct could have already been on our list ready to go and fire in the forward 50. The loss of Fev exposed piss poor club planning in my opinion.
Hey guys, first time long time here. I would have to agree with you Mr. Gozza, aided by some bonehead recruiting and trading. How you trade Kennedy, sack Fev and still draft Lucas over Talia I will never understand and still baffles me. We should have been a top 4 team by now but in my opinion recruiting and list management is at fault.
Post 2007 saw somewhat of a Carlton FC rebirth...not of the kind that many long-time fans are used to, littered with premierships, but to be simply back and involved in finals footy and daring to dream yet again.
The arrival of Chris Judd sent everyone into raptures about how he'll lead us to our next flag and we will once again wear the crown of most premierships in the competition. Some of the expectations were clouded by judgement from too much excitement, others were clouded by experiences of glory years past, while some just innocently dared to dream.
Fast forward to 2014 coming into a new season. Reflect and elaborate on your expectations of where you thought Carlton footy club would be at this point in time (2014), and whether it was a justifiable expectation, one clouded through the rollercoaster emotions of our game, or if you'd chosen a more cautious approach and had expectations in line with our current reality.
Personally, I was guilty of a bit of premiership dreaming at the end of 2011 into the first three rounds of 2012. Justifiable? Well, the brave effort the boys put in against WCE over in Perth in that final, after belting Essendon in the EF the week before had me dreaming for season 2012.
Thought we'd have played off in a Grand Final at the very least by now, and given some of the footy we played from late 2011 to very very early 2012, it was probably justifiable. On reflection, I was way off.
Since mid 2012 however, my expectations have lowered to be more in line with our current reality. Am tipping us to miss the eight in 2014, though if everything goes right, we could finish as high as sixth.
Be interesting to read what some of you had been expecting years ago when the 'Judd Era' began and whether or not the club's reality at this point in time matches up with said expectations of yesteryear.
Don't be shy. ;D
I do not expect to make the 8 this year.
Last year we finished 9th.
I expect Adelaide and North to go past. I expect Gold Coast to be knocking on the door of the 8. We cannot beat Footscray.
Of the present 8 I expect Collingwood to drop.
If the IN are issued on Napier Street, that might allow us to drop into the 8 again...
Might be very interesting times at Princes Park by years end given that Sticks is departing....
I think you under estimate what the addition of Everitt and Thomas will do.
Special K is due to stand up too.
I think you under estimate what the addition of Everitt and Thomas will do.
Special K is due to stand up too.
Good teams don't rely on ifs and buts (injuries aside).
If we're looking for improvement. Look no further than our captain. If he can have a consistent year as in 2011, then we look a lot better outfit and when we stop talking about if he can have a consistent year then we will be a show.
Hey guys, first time long time here. I would have to agree with you Mr. Gozza, aided by some bonehead recruiting and trading. How you trade Kennedy, sack Fev and still draft Lucas over Talia I will never understand and still baffles me. We should have been a top 4 team by now but in my opinion recruiting and list management is at fault.
It has in the past but looking at our trading and chasing FA, we look like we are moving the right direction. Time we look to the future. I'm keen to see if Cripps is a certain starter that can play immediately and make an impact. Docherty too as Everitt must be ready to play coming from the Swans.
Hey guys, first time long time here. I would have to agree with you Mr. Gozza, aided by some bonehead recruiting and trading. How you trade Kennedy, sack Fev and still draft Lucas over Talia I will never understand and still baffles me. We should have been a top 4 team by now but in my opinion recruiting and list management is at fault.
It has in the past but looking at our trading and chasing FA, we look like we are moving the right direction. Time we look to the future. I'm keen to see if Cripps is a certain starter that can play immediately and make an impact. Docherty too as Everitt must be ready to play coming from the Swans.
I would have to agree there Mantis, it does seem we are heading in the right direction now. I'm also very keen to see those three boys and the impact they can make. I feel that Watson possibly holds the key though, if he can stand up and let Hendo play forward we could potentially push top 4 with a bit of luck. We need to be a bit risky I feel if we are to match it with the big boys, Watson has shown signs hopefully there are more to come.
JC I feel you are spot on with Watson. If he can step up and set Henderson free forward we look more dangerous.
D50m - Jamo, Watson, Simpson, Everitt, Scotland, ( Waite/Yarran/Walker).
F50m - Henderson, Levi, Garlett, Gibbs, Menzel, (Waite/Walker/McLean).
Use the last combined players to switch with each other through defence, middle and forward. Rotating them to remain fresh and rested and keep the other sides guessing. Docherty would get a start at Half back flank too at times. Just some possible options to consider. ;)
JC I feel you are spot on with Watson. If he can step up and set Henderson free forward we look more dangerous.
D50m - Jamo, Watson, Simpson, Everitt, Scotland, ( Waite/Yarran/Walker).
F50m - Henderson, Levi, Garlett, Gibbs, Menzel, (Waite/Walker/McLean).
Use the last combined players to switch with each other through defence, middle and forward. Rotating them to remain fresh and rested and keep the other sides guessing. Docherty would get a start at Half back flank too at times. Just some possible options to consider. ;)
I think you are on the money with those combinations Mantis. Henderson will be really interesting to watch this year after a break out year last year. If he does end up playing forward the spotlight will be on and he naturally will be more scrutinised then when he is/was down back. Lets hope for our sake he is up for it.
I also do like our forward mix much better now, with Menzel still fairly new and the addition of Thomas. I thought we were too extreme on the small forwards and not enough good size flankers who can push into the middle.
Hey JC, have you seen JCVD's daughter? She is something else I tell ya!!
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Hey Carrots, ah yes Bianca Van Varenberg. Havn't seen a photo of her in a while but I'm with ya mate, she is a good sort! I think she is only a couple years younger than me as well, a man can dream I suppose. We have derailed this thread 3 pages in haha!
Hey Carrots, ah yes Bianca Van Varenberg. Havn't seen a photo of her in a while but I'm with ya mate, she is a good sort! I think she is only a couple years younger than me as well, a man can dream I suppose. We have derailed this thread 3 pages in haha!
Wow, stunner.
Wonder if she can do the splits like her old man... ;)
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Wonder if she can do the splits like her old man... ;)
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Can't post that with out Chuck's version ;D
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Wonder if she can do the splits like her old man... ;)
In my dreams she can! :P