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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by Lods -
I think we don't make too many changes next week.
Just go with Tom as the one ruck.

I really can see the benefits of both options.
It's why it's hard to come down in favour of just the one approach.

Horses for courses is OK, but making that judgement would take a fair bit of analysis.

The thing I need to see more of is... how either option works consistently against quality opposition.
If we'd gone with just one ruck against Sydney...how would we have fared?
Gold Coast in Melbourne wasn't quite the same level of difficulty...and that can distort comparisons.
Port in Adelaide will be a tough ask and if the one ruck works equally as well as it did yesterday that's a point in it's favour.

So, just the one next week.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by kruddler -
Credit to TDK. He put the disaster that was last week behind him and put in one of his best games for us. With a lot of PBs to his name.

First time of over 20 touches, had 25!
15 contested possessions beats his previous best of 14.
10 clearances for the game. Previous best 9.
15 handballs beats his previous best of 11.
He also had 9 hitouts to advantage with you can't find bests for, but that would have to be right up there with his best if not his best as well.

That being said, he still had potential to do more. His opponent Witts couldn't keep up with him, so could've become more of a marking target around the ground for us by running off him a bit more.

It has reopened the old debate though. What do you do when you have 2 #1 rucks who don't have a second position. TDK up forward last week was embarrassing. Pitto has definitely played more consistently as the first ruck.

If Pitto is right next week, what do we do?
Both deserve #1 ruck. Both don't deserve to be relegated to the 2's. Both in the side is far from ideal.


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by PaulP -
Voss will hopefully always pick 22/23 that gives us the best chance of winning a game of footy, which will vary week to week based on injury, opposition match ups etc. If Martin and Owies are both available and competing for the same role, Martin will always get the nod, and rightly so. What happens at season's end in terms of list management is a whole other issue.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by tex -
Quote from: Baggers on
Yep.

What Williams did as a small forward is probably what we were expecting/hoping from Fantasia, and Durdin. Opposition sides will put time into Williams now, so that's a hurdle to tackle. But what I really liked was his instinctual goal sense, and when it was time to hold the aggot in our forward line, his defensive work was front and centre. Ripper.

Should we find a fit and in form small forwards trio of Martin, Motlop & Williams... drool. As an opposition defense how would you like to have to quell Charles, H, Martin, Motlop & Williams? And add to that the hardness and tackling pressure of Fog... more drooling.

I’d rather Owies than Martin. At least owies plays a full season
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by Baggers -
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Umpiring - I don't want to go there, but the numbers don't lie: we had 3 frees in three quarters of the game. That is just ridiculous.

The number of times I saw blokes take on the tackler, then get caught without a correct disposal, was considerable. Has been for weeks. Dropping the ball has also been diluted. Plenty of times over the weeks I've seen blokes, again take on the tackler, and the ball is dislodged in the tackle to fall without correct disposal by foot or hand resulting in play on or ball up.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by Baggers -
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Williams had significant game influence today, fans seem reluctant to give him credit where credit is due. For me his F50 success highlights a fundamental contributing cause of our failings over the last few weeks. How can it be a rookie SF like Williams gets in all the right spaces, while relatively more seasoned SFs like Fantasia, Owies and Durdin cannot?

Yep.

What Williams did as a small forward is probably what we were expecting/hoping from Fantasia, and Durdin. Opposition sides will put time into Williams now, so that's a hurdle to tackle. But what I really liked was his instinctual goal sense, and when it was time to hold the aggot in our forward line, his defensive work was front and centre. Ripper.

Should we find a fit and in form small forwards trio of Martin, Motlop & Williams... drool. As an opposition defense how would you like to have to quell Charles, H, Martin, Motlop & Williams? And add to that the hardness and tackling pressure of Fog... more drooling.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by Baggers -
Quote from: DJC on
No, Tom didn’t get smashed in the ruck.  Witts got more hitouts but few ended up as GC clearances.  Most of Tom’s hitouts resulted in a clearance to us, and Tom’s second and third efforts at stoppages played a big part in that.

Tom had twice as many effective disposals than Witts and took important marks around the ground. Witts was a virtually a non-event around the ground, apart from the goal he was gifted.

From what I could see, Tom went to the bench for running repairs and because he had no gas in his tank.

Exactamundo. TDK looked like a man hungry for the contest; hungry to prove something - and he did.

But what a conundrum. Pitto is also a ripper. We love him. He is different to TDK and his point of difference is really effective in its own way. Perhaps a horses for courses situation? There might be times for both, times for Pitto and rest TDK, then vice versa.