The Spoon. Oh noes. Makes for a good story i guess. 2018 "Carlton won the spoon only 3 years ago, now look at them, Premiers!"
Game Over
Season Over (thank heavens for that) :(
Pick one locked away :D
All up from here ;)
This and player development are our two greatest failings for more than a decade, and player development has gone backwards in the last few years.
Our recruiting has killed us, only Melbourne has a record anywhere near as bad.
The only semi regular senior players taken outside the first round and still on our list in the last 10 years are Rowe, Armfield and Graham, and none of them are what you'd call stars.
Add in our first round flops like Watson, Bootsma, Lucas and Menzel the way he's travelling plus trading 22 for Warnock and it's a tale of woe.
A dart board would have been more productive than our talent spotters.
Watson's played pretty well for 2 1/2 of his 3 games since returning (no forward would've got a touch during the 2nd half against GWS). Add that to his 4 goals last game last year and, while nothing great, showing he belongs at least since being moved up forward. He got his chance and took it.
Watson's played pretty well for 2 1/2 of his 3 games since returning (no forward would've got a touch during the 2nd half against GWS). Add that to his 4 goals last game last year and, while nothing great, showing he belongs at least since being moved up forward. He got his chance and took it.
Agree. Watson haters lookout. Has absolutely zero confidence out there, a product of the Malthouse reign. Give him a crack under Bolts.
Watson's played pretty well for 2 1/2 of his 3 games since returning (no forward would've got a touch during the 2nd half against GWS). Add that to his 4 goals last game last year and, while nothing great, showing he belongs at least since being moved up forward. He got his chance and took it.
This was his 5th year on the list, if that's the best he's got by now I wouldn't be pinning our hopes on him dragging us off the bottom.
Its strange but this spoon actually fills me with renewed (or completely delusional) hope. With the year that was, at least now we know how crape we are, and not to be too hackneyed, the only way is up....
By the way I am listening to Joy Division/New Order at the moment, who knows where this could go.....
The Spoon. Oh noes. Makes for a good story i guess. 2018 "Carlton won the spoon only 3 years ago, now look at them, Premiers!"
i m coming to your house, whatever you got, i want some
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By the way I am listening to Joy Division/New Order at the moment, who knows where this could go.....
Power Corruption and Lies - one of my all time favourites ;)
i m coming to your house, whatever you got, i want some
Get some for me too.
Carlton is the new st kilda. ...
The CD is called "Total", best compilation I have ever heard, Ceremony, Temptation, Blue Monday... saw them at Festival Hall circa 1990, best most frantic concert of all time
"Winning" the wooden spoon makes things interesting on draft day.
Unless they get a priority, doubtful, I wouldn't take Schacse. He's desperate to go to Brissy coz his old man played there, and if he was any good we'd be lucky to hold on to him after his initial contract.
Weiterling seems the better bet.
however, we haven't got the greatest trade or draft selection record, so who knows what those genii will do.
Carlton is the new st kilda. ...
Don't worry - we have a new batch of high draft picks. All will be well. Remember, a spoon is a good thing.
The CD is called "Total", best compilation I have ever heard, Ceremony, Temptation, Blue Monday... saw them at Festival Hall circa 1990, best most frantic concert of all time
Saw them in 87 at Festival Hall. Was really disappointed, they played for less than an hour and yet they played all night at the Corner Hotel the night before...anyway, life goes on 8)
Carrazzo 33 disposals, 10 clearances, 14 cont poss and disposal efficiency of 91%
What a way to go out. All class.
May have been the same concert, all I really remember was a sea of black leather, and it was so f@#%$ng hot. But it rocked. And I was soooo bent.....
This was his 5th year on the list, if that's the best he's got by now I wouldn't be pinning our hopes on him dragging us off the bottom.
Just looking at depth. Key position isn't our strongest suit. His last 4-5 games at the club have gone as well as anyone else who's played up forward, excluding Casboult, and better than what Henderson has given us (admittedly not too hard). Prefer him to Jones by a margin on their output given the few games each have played. As I said, just cover.
Loved Cripps game again today. Between him, Curnow, Kreuzer and Carrazzo we beat the Hawks in clearances, stopages, contested possessions, tackles and hitouts. Inside 50s 46 to 49 - not bad for our seconds.
I really look forward to Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy and Cripps starting midfield next year.
Unless we lose Kreuze of course.
Agree. Watson haters lookout. Has absolutely zero confidence out there, a product of the Malthouse reign. Give him a crack under Bolts.
You have a go at Gibbs for only playing well during a 'contract year'.
Yet Watson becomes a 'Round 23 specialist' but goes missing for the rest of the year, and you think that 1 game deserves a contract extension?
FMD we have sunken to a new low.
Delist him.
If we still have a 4th round rookie pick to spend and he is available, then and only then do we consider giving him a spot on our list in 2016.
You have a go at Gibbs for only playing well during a 'contract year'.
Yet Watson becomes a 'Round 23 specialist' but goes missing for the rest of the year, and you think that 1 game deserves a contract extension?
FMD we have sunken to a new low.
Delist him.
If we still have a 4th round rookie pick to spend and he is available, then and only then do we consider giving him a spot on our list in 2016.
Actually happy to keep him as key position depth given a lack of strength there. He has done something 4 of the last 5 games he's played with the club. Got touches, taken marks, and capable of hitting the scoreboard. Been ok since he returned to the side.
You have a go at Gibbs for only playing well during a 'contract year'.
Huh? Pretty sure I was one of the few who backed Gibbs the whole way.
"Winning" the wooden spoon makes things interesting on draft day.
Unless they get a priority, doubtful, I wouldn't take Schacse. He's desperate to go to Brissy coz his old man played there, and if he was any good we'd be lucky to hold on to him after his initial contract.
Weiterling seems the better bet.
however, we haven't got the greatest trade or draft selection record, so who knows what those genii will do.
That is a massive stretch. He was asked a question if he would like to play for Brisbane because of his dad and he said yes. He wasn't going to say no. His old man was hardly a Club Legend up there. Marc Murphy turned down a move to Brisbane as a Father/Son. Even Weitering actually went up and trained with Brisbane. I'd have a hard time believing that two Victorians wouldn't want to stay in Victoria to play their footy.
Actually happy to keep him as key position depth given a lack of strength there.
Ellard was on our list for 8 years, Hampson for 7, how long do you reckon we should give Watson?
Where was Yarran today by the way?
That is a massive stretch. He was asked a question if he would like to play for Brisbane because of his dad and he said yes. He wasn't going to say no. His old man was hardly a Club Legend up there. Marc Murphy turned down a move to Brisbane as a Father/Son. Even Weitering actually went up and trained with Brisbane. I'd have a hard time believing that two Victorians wouldn't want to stay in Victoria to play their footy.
Agreed. You can't draft based on what someone might do it 3 years time. It's hard enough just to find a decent player.
Agreed. You can't draft based on what someone might do it 3 years time. It's hard enough just to find a decent player.
Yep. Just see Tom Boyd. GWS had to take him and got a pretty nice return for him. (even though Griffen has been pretty bad this year)
Actually happy to keep him as key position depth given a lack of strength there. He has done something 4 of the last 5 games he's played with the club. Got touches, taken marks, and capable of hitting the scoreboard. Been ok since he returned to the side.
We got rowe from the SANFL. Ditto Duigan. Both offer(ed) more than Watson has.
If you want depth, get a readymade SANFL/VFL backup, not Watson.
Ellard was on our list for 8 years, Hampson for 7, how long do you reckon we should give Watson?
Where was Yarran today by the way?
Bit different. Ellard and Hampson we had more than enough cover for. Key position on the other hand, definitely not, so we need cover. So another 12 month contract to see what happens. As you can see, with injuries, we actually needed him in the side the last few weeks as a case in point. That's my point there. Without him it was Jones.
Carrazzo 33 disposals, 10 clearances, 14 cont poss and disposal efficiency of 91%
What a way to go out. All class.
Can't do much better than that. Well done!
We got rowe from the SANFL. Ditto Duigan. Both offer(ed) more than Watson has.
If you want depth, get a readymade SANFL/VFL backup, not Watson.
Never greatly worked before. Watson is at least taking a mark, getting a kick and hitting the scoreboard. Hasn't let anyone down since he's moved forward. He's contributed. I'd prefer him to some so called readymade from a lower league. 12 months only. Been happy with what he has done since moved forward. Could've been worse.
Carrazzo 33 disposals, 10 clearances, 14 cont poss and disposal efficiency of 91%
What a way to go out. All class.
Wow maybe he did have another year in the tank. Was pretty damn good today.
Not a real fan of Watson's and while I take the point he may have suffered under the previous coaching regime I have not see much apart from a few cameo's when the heat has been off late in the season to convince me to keep him on the list.
Rather get Marcus Adams from West Perth in the WAFL...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHdrHk6mjSM
Problem is that Carrotts' body won't permit him to back up every week and expecting him to play 20 games is too much. He needs to save what he has left for the rest of his life.
Not a real fan of Watson's and while I take the point he may have suffered under the previous coaching regime I have not see much apart from a few cameo's when the heat has been off late in the season to convince me to keep him on the list.
Rather get Marcus Adams from West Perth in the WAFL...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHdrHk6mjSM
Only got picked late in the season though. Can only play and perform when selected. I've seen alot worse this year, although that's not too hard. Done more in 3 games than what Henderson did all year, again not saying alot though. Done enough for 12 months.
Never greatly worked before. Watson is at least taking a mark, getting a kick and hitting the scoreboard. Hasn't let anyone down since he's moved forward. He's contributed. I'd prefer him to some so called readymade from a lower league. 12 months only. Been happy with what he has done since moved forward. Could've been worse.
You don't keep players like Watson as backups when they are borderline top 40 players on your list.
If he was top 30, maybe.
Casboult is offering a lot more as a key forward.
Everitt is offering a lot more as a key forward.
Hell...even Walker is offering a lot more as a key forward.
Only got picked late in the season though. Can only play and perform when selected. I've seen alot worse this year, although that's not too hard. Done more in 3 games than what Henderson did all year, again not saying alot though. Done enough for 12 months.
We all agree Hendo was performing WELL below what we know he can yeah. Got 0 touches and 1 tackle in 1 game!
Side by side...
in 2015, Hendo is better than Watson in averages in...
Kicks
Handballs
Disposals
Marks
Rebound 50s
Inside 50s
Goal assists
and 1%ers.
Courtesy of some contested marks and marks inside 50 today, Watson shaves Hendo in
CM's (1.5 to 1.4)
MI50 (1.5 to 1.4)
and tackles (2 to 1.5)
They each average 1 goal a game.
Hendo had his worst year by far, Watson had one of his best ever games today to inflate his averages, yet still not good enough to beat out a guy who had donuts in 1 game.
Not a real fan of Watson's and while I take the point he may have suffered under the previous coaching regime I have not see much apart from a few cameo's when the heat has been off late in the season to convince me to keep him on the list.
Rather get Marcus Adams from West Perth in the WAFL...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHdrHk6mjSM
Not sure that Adams is the answer, but he fits the profile somewhat better than Matthew Watson. Watson has improved a lot as a forward, but he is still very slow and doesn't offer much when the ball isn't in the air. His body work is ordinary.
Adams has more mobility and gives you a contest. I'd be interested in getting him over to train with us to see if he can cut the mustard.
Adams has played as a key defender most of this year
Is a big unit, and mobile for his size
Worth consideration come draft time
Bit of a surreal atmosphere at the game today with emotional scenes for Ratts and farewells for Carrazzo and Ellard. I was in the MCC members with a friend and by half-time I was frozen so we repaired to the bar and watched the rest of the game on TV over a few glasses of red.
No real surprises re. the result, at least not a record losing score, and we kept at it despite lots of mistakes and turnovers, but hey we get #1 draft pick now. Couldn't help but think that the Hawks were holding back a bit with minds on next week.
Thank God this year's over for us!!
Not a real fan of Watson's and while I take the point he may have suffered under the previous coaching regime I have not see much apart from a few cameo's when the heat has been off late in the season to convince me to keep him on the list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHdrHk6mjSM
That says it all really - 2 moderately useful games in 5 years in what amounted to dead rubbers with no real heat on. He has far too many limitations and a team cannot be successful in the AFL without the whole team being able to apply pressure to the opposition.
I hope that 5 years is all she wrote for Watto and that Magpie Eddie was so impressed with his game that he wants to trade something for him. For lack of defensive pressure, Yarran and Menzel are welcome to pack their bags as well.
Like cookie, I too was in the MCC, absolutely nothing atmosphere as was to be expected. Most people around us (and there weren't many) were engaged in conversation more so than watching the predictable result unfold. No record result today thankfully.
I reckon the honeymoon period is well and truly over for Cameron Wood. Was admirable last year, but apart from a couple of games this year, has largely stunk it up, with tonight being a glaring example. Friggin' hopeless.
Bell's last quarter was good, but the rest of the game his kicking was unadulterated rubbish. Would trade in a heartbeat if Brisbane offered the right price.
I counted 3 first-half Hawthorn goals as a direct result of Simmo, hence he got swapped out of defence with Holman. Worst left-footer in the AFL by a fair way is our Kade.
Yes, Watson was fair tonight, but come on, his time has come and gone, he doesn't work hard enough and I'm fairly sure his AFL career ended tonight, no matter what performance he produced.
Don't get me started on Menzel, he's cooked as he produced yet another garbage display. Geez, has he gone from the champ he was last year, to the deadset chump he's turned into this year. Wouldn't lose a minute's sleep if he got traded.
Carrots ended his career admirably, whilst Ellard showed he'd made the right decision to call time on his career also.
Happy with the effort tonight to be honest, but FMD we're our own worst enemy a lot of the time.
Could the reason Matthew Watson only starts to show some form in the last few games of the season be due to the fact that he only gets to play the last few games of the season? ;D
Could the reason Matthew Watson only starts to show some form in the last few games of the season be due to the fact that he only gets to play the last few games of the season? ;D
That's some pretty full on logic there PB!
When you look at how much River Rat detests him and River Rat actually works with him it's hard to see him getting anywhere near his best under this current regime. Just bereft of confidence, hopefully they clear the place out and Watto gets a fresh start under a coaching team that believe in him.
@Brettie
Mate, the last line of your post sums it up perfectly!
Could the reason Matthew Watson only starts to show some form in the last few games of the season be due to the fact that he only gets to play the last few games of the season? ;D
It is only the LAST game of the season, not the last few.
In his 3 other games this year he was next to useless. Yesterday he was adequate in a nothing game.
I don't know why anyone is campaigning for Watson. He has shown marginal improvement in five years at the club and was not very good to begin with.
Better players than him have failed to forge a successful career.
He has played 20 AFL games and not once has he looked like making it in a serious way. If he survives it's because we have minimal options.
When you look at how much River Rat detests him and River Rat actually works with him it's hard to see him getting anywhere near his best under this current regime. Just bereft of confidence, hopefully they clear the place out and Watto gets a fresh start under a coaching team that believe in him.
1. I have never said that I detest him or hate him or anything similar - I have merely pointed out his limitations as an AFL and VFL player - In actual fact, I have repeatedly commented (this year) that I believe he has made improvements in his running and work rate - I simply believe that those improvements fall under the heading of "too little too late" - 5 years is a long time to be clogging the list.
2. I have never worked with him or even spoken with him
3. I suspect we have seen the best he has to offer - or close enough to it
4. Not
just bereft of confidence
5. As for a coaching team that believes in him, I doubt that we would be wanting a coaching team that was so unrealistic in its beliefs.
Sorry about point 2, I didn't realise that was the case. Detest may be a strong word but you do dislike him no doubt.
Sorry about point 2, I didn't realise that was the case. Detest may be a strong word but you do dislike him no doubt.
I reiterate point 1.
I have no reason to dislike him; I don't know him; he might be a really good guy.
I just don't believe he is up to the standard.
Watson's played pretty well for 2 1/2 of his 3 games since returning (no forward would've got a touch during the 2nd half against GWS). Add that to his 4 goals last game last year and, while nothing great, showing he belongs at least since being moved up forward. He got his chance and took it.
Watson has to go - end of story !!!!
Watson's just not much good, a pick 18 or so which bombed like all of our other picks around that mark in the last 10 years.
As for next season I'd be trying to farm Menzel out for a half decent pick or player, otherwise we'll still be talking about how classy he is in five years time and he'll still only be showing us glimpses.
Bell is a must keep, he gives us grunt around the ball and is a genuinely attacking footballer, Murphy and Cripps need him around.
Yarran is now devalued and we won't get what he's worth, if we can keep him and sort him out it's better than trading him out for a bag of potato chips, we know he can play good football on a consistent basis at least.
We don't have any other tradeable players that we can afford to lose in my opinion.
I'd see if Majak Daw wants to leave North, he's not getting a game there but I reckon he'd walk into our front 6.
Watson has to go - end of story !!!!
He probably does....it's just a bit bizarre
One of these players is the biggest spud on our list...the other's worth a first rounder. ;D
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=4&pid1=3597&tid2=4&pid2=3805&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S
He probably does....it's just a bit bizarre
One of these players is the biggest spud on our list...the other's worth a first rounder. ;D
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=4&pid1=3597&tid2=4&pid2=3805&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S
Such is perspective!
The same perspective debate applies to Kreuzer trades!
Some players have to go regardless of "potential", some players have to stay regardless! How does Carlton build fabric, not by keeping list cloggers and not by trading away the heart and soul.
Media are comparing our current Carlton situation to Hawthorn with Franklin/Roughead, but that is a poor analogy. Because Carlton finished bottom those years and Hawthorn received low picks they did not deserve. They offloaded has-been/average players and talked them up as potential future stars. If we kept Kreuzer, lost Watson and Menzel, and got pick 2 from the AFL for losing Menzel and extras we would be barely breaking even with the sort of deal Hawthorn got!
Menzel isn't a FA , so there's no no2 pick for him.
Media are comparing our current Carlton situation to Hawthorn with Franklin/Roughead, but that is a poor analogy. Because Carlton finished bottom those years and Hawthorn received low picks they did not deserve. They offloaded has-been/average players and talked them up as potential future stars.
Hawthorn got Roughead and Franklin in 2004, Richmond and Footscray also had priority picks that year.
We won 11 games in 2004 and took Russell at pick 9.
Hawthorn drafted very well but I can't understand how you figure they didn't deserve the picks they had, they played under the same rules as the rest of the teams.
He probably does....it's just a bit bizarre
One of these players is the biggest spud on our list...the other's worth a first rounder. ;D
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=4&pid1=3597&tid2=4&pid2=3805&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S
I think it goes to show how ineffective Menzel has been this season. Compare his career, or last season, and things look a little different.
However, it is all in the way that you look at things. Menzel is seen as a player with promise of great things. Watson is not any more.
Compare recent games and Watson comes out on top easily: he took 8 marks yesterday.
The future for both of these guys is interesting.
Watson has to go - end of story !!!!
Depends, how you cover what you have. Key forward isn't exactly a strength. When you get rid of someone first you must have a solution. No good sacking everyone then have no solutions. We will get key position players in the draft but they are unlikely to be ready in the first months to 2 years. Hence we'll need cover. Maybe a trade for Cam McCarthy may be one solution.
Depends, how you cover what you have. Key forward isn't exactly a strength. When you get rid of someone first you must have a solution. No good sacking everyone then have no solutions. We will get key position players in the draft but they are unlikely to be ready in the first months to 2 years. Hence we'll need cover. Maybe a trade for Cam McCarthy may be one solution.
OUT: Watson
IN: Jack Silvagni
sorted ^-^
Depends, how you cover what you have. Key forward isn't exactly a strength. When you get rid of someone first you must have a solution. No good sacking everyone then have no solutions. We will get key position players in the draft but they are unlikely to be ready in the first months to 2 years. Hence we'll need cover. Maybe a trade for Cam McCarthy may be one solution.
Out Watson, in an inanimate carbon rod.
If you don't like the rod pickup a bollard from a building site.
Both would show more hardness and intensity at the contest that Watson.
;D
I think it goes to show how ineffective Menzel has been this season. Compare his career, or last season, and things look a little different.
However, it is all in the way that you look at things. Menzel is seen as a player with promise of great things. Watson is not any more.
Compare recent games and Watson comes out on top easily: he took 8 marks yesterday.
The future for both of these guys is interesting.
Menzel has been one of the great disappointments of the season.
I don't usually give much attention to Garry Lyon's pronouncements but he made an interesting statement during the commentary. Basically it was along the lines of ensuring that Menzel and Smith trained with Ed Curnow over the summer. While there is merit in that, we could add a few other blokes to the Ed Curnow training camp.
OUT: Watson
IN: Jack Silvagni
sorted ^-^
Won't cover the next 12 months though. If we were to trade for Cam McCarthy, for example, then it's covered.
Won't cover the next 12 months though. If we were to trade for Cam McCarthy, for example, then it's covered.
I'd be giving Foster more opportunity to come on. Cam McCarthy would be in our best 22 but if we end up with Schache I think we'd be going in too tall. I see Casboult as essential because of his relief rucking and that second ruck position being more important due to the sub rule being ditched, so the forward line (with Schache) would be something like...
HF: Thomas - Schache - Murphy
FF: Walker - Casboult - Everitt
There could be room for another tall rotation with the sub rule gone but I dunno.
Please....daisy is not to be included in our best 22
Hes a delist like jones
Please....daisy is not to be included in our best 22
Hes a delist like jones
An injured Daisy is still better than half of the blokes we have.
Rohan Connelly made the point on radio today that "another station" was going on about Watson's head all game.
Sounded like high school kids picking on the fat kid.
Watson has got to be gone though surely. Shows flashes of capability but unfortunately he's only ever played forward in a rubbish team so it's virtually impossible to succeed unless you're an absolute gun. Which he isn't.
An injured Daisy is still better than half of the blokes we have.
Not really, even when he was fit he was useless. TBH I've forgotten all about him, he doesn't enter into the equation AFAIC, anything we get out of him is a bonus. I'm kinda hoping Swann and the Brisbane Lions throw something at him, after all, that's all Swann has got to offer really.
Won't cover the next 12 months though. If we were to trade for Cam McCarthy, for example, then it's covered.
We decided to take Thomas instead of taking a compo pick, which ended up being used on Cam.
Cripps, McCarthy, Weitering, Schache use pick 7 last year and that's a pretty solid spine to rebuild off.
Rice on a HBF, SOSOS, sort Yarran out. Still have Gibbs.
But it's Carlton and we would have picked a Sporn type instead of Cam
McCarthy was next on list that year, we would have taken him if we had the pick. I think we used it on Cripps instead.
Not really, even when he was fit he was useless. TBH I've forgotten all about him, he doesn't enter into the equation AFAIC, anything we get out of him is a bonus. I'm kinda hoping Swann and the Brisbane Lions throw something at him, after all, that's all Swann has got to offer really.
Nah, Daisy has put in some really good efforts for us when he could get out there.
The problem is he can't get out there.
I hold out hope that this changes, because he is the only player on our list that has won a flag and knows what it takes.
Nah, Daisy has put in some really good efforts for us when he could get out there.
The problem is he can't get out there.
I hold out hope that this changes, because he is the only player on our list that has won a flag and knows what it takes.
Daisy has stunk it up until he moved to half back at which point he was serviceable butanother HBF at 700k is the last thing we needed.
Rohan Connelly made the point on radio today that "another station" was going on about Watson's head all game.
Sounded like high school kids picking on the fat kid.
Watson has got to be gone though surely. Shows flashes of capability but unfortunately he's only ever played forward in a rubbish team so it's virtually impossible to succeed unless you're an absolute gun. Which he isn't.
What else would those dickheads focus on? Oh yes, they did slip in the odd innuendo about Dick.
Watson shows glimpses much in the same way that Jones does. I suspect that Watson has more chance of success than Jones, if he goes to one of the middle six teams.
Daisy has stunk it up until he moved to half back at which point he was serviceable butanother HBF at 700k is the last thing we needed.
The half back position doesnt really exist anymore.
You have key defenders 1 (Jamo), 2 (Rowe), and a mid size coming in 3rd (White/Jaksch), a back pocket negator who generally minds a small and occasionally gets up the ground (Yarran, Buckley, Docherty, Tuohy), and the other two rotate through the wings (Yarran, Docherty, Buckley, Tuohy).
Sometimes you mix them up depending on whether or not you are playing a plus one behind the ball, or matchups, or even resting on field, rather than on the bench.
The west coast game last year he was outstanding. Likewise, he was really good against Sydney this year before going off.
Its still a hope that he will come good more than anything, but anyway. Its true we cant afford to waste that much money in our cap, but I cant actually see where its going any more. Unless we are front loading everyone which we might do moving forward. Not many big contracts left, and not many coming in.
I suspect that Watson has more chance of success than Jones, if he goes to one of the middle six teams.
I agree, Watson can be serviceable as a KPP at either end, we have too many serviceable players which probably stamps his papers.
Jones is a very unfortunate situation for us. MM really did a number on our club, sons of former team-mates, sons former players he coached, blokes on long contracts who could not get a kick at other clubs, best buddies on a superannuation boost and Daisy. I'm not too fussed about Daisy because when he gets on the park he puts in, the issue is what he is capable of isn't worth what he gets remunerated, Daisy is not Chris Judd!
If you look into those last few years too closely you could end up paranoid! ;)
Malthouse doesn't do the contracts, stop making crap up.
Malthouse doesn't do the contracts, stop making crap up.
The contracts are irrelevant. Are you telling me MM who was brought in as head coach and Saviour had zero influence over the choice of players, staff and coaches?
The contracts are irrelevant. Are you telling me MM who was brought in as head coach and Saviour had zero influence over the choice of players, staff and coaches?
What do you mean the contracts are irrelevant?
I'm telling you that MM had zero influence over how much our players were paid, it was not part of his job.
Menzel has been one of the great disappointments of the season.
I don't usually give much attention to Garry Lyon's pronouncements but he made an interesting statement during the commentary. Basically it was along the lines of ensuring that Menzel and Smith trained with Ed Curnow over the summer. While there is merit in that, we could add a few other blokes to the Ed Curnow training camp.
As long as there's no footballs around, that is fine.
LOL!
As long as there's no footballs around, that is fine.
What do you mean the contracts are irrelevant?
I'm telling you that MM had zero influence over how much our players were paid, it was not part of his job.
But he had significant influence over who to choose and as such he also had significant influence over the process that determined their value! There is no way he can escape having some responsibility for those decisions! ;)
I was very pleased to see Cripps sit Frawley on his butt with a very well executed hip and shoulder. Frawley took his time getting up and then looked quite proppy as he jogged away.
We need our big bodies to make their presence felt and I suspect Bolton will be encouraging a more physical approach next season.
Not really, even when he was fit he was useless.
You could tell all of that in that 1 minute?!
But he had significant influence over who to choose and as such he also had significant influence over the process that determined their value! There is no way he can escape having some responsibility for those decisions! ;)
Malthouse wanted Daisy. No harm there.
McKay and co agreed to pay Daisy his 750k. If you have issues with his paypacket, direct it at the person who decided it!
Malthouse wanted Daisy. No harm there.
McKay and co agreed to pay Daisy his 750k. If you have issues with his paypacket, direct it at the person who decided it!
Who is 'and co'? You mean Greg Swann?
Who is 'and co'? You mean Greg Swann?
Yes, and the board who have to ratify such big contracts....and potentially whoever had Silvagnis role before he got there.
Malthouse wanted Daisy. No harm there.
McKay and co agreed to pay Daisy his 750k. If you have issues with his paypacket, direct it at the person who decided it!
There's no way we're paying a classy outside runner more than our Captain, so how much is Murphy being paid?
I know there isn't a great deal to discuss but how about leaving the Malthouse/Thomas/Swann debate to another thread ???
Now, what did folk think of Cripps' bump on Frawley?
McCarthy was next on list that year, we would have taken him if we had the pick. I think we used it on Cripps instead.
Yes, we tossed up between the two. Plays alright McCarthy. Not an easy team to get a gig as key forward in. Be worth the chase.