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Title: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on July 08, 2017, 05:59:25 pm
The Dogs were terrible against Adelaide and appear lacking in a lot of areas.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Amers on July 10, 2017, 01:19:56 pm
It's getting to the point now where we are nearly over due for a win!

Surely we can pull one off this week!!
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on July 10, 2017, 01:34:56 pm
If we go in hungry we will win this game, but I can see that the wheels are starting to fall off fitness wise and we are starting to have our run with injury now, so we will likely lose a few more than we will win from here.

Thats ok, so long as they are like Sunday we will be ok.

Obviously Cripps and White will be outs.


Crash on last week who can you see coming in?

I haven't seen much but ive heard Boekhorst was good, but cant see him coming in to replace the aforementioned.  i would have thought one of Palmer, Graham or Smedts for Cripps, and Byrne or Acos if ready for White.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on July 10, 2017, 01:57:35 pm
If we go in hungry we will win this game, but I can see that the wheels are starting to fall off fitness wise and we are starting to have our run with injury now, so we will likely lose a few more than we will win from here.

Thats ok, so long as they are like Sunday we will be ok.

Obviously Cripps and White will be outs.


Crash on last week who can you see coming in?

I haven't seen much but ive heard Boekhorst was good, but cant see him coming in to replace the aforementioned.  i would have thought one of Palmer, Graham or Smedts for Cripps, and Byrne or Acos if ready for White.
That is a VERY good question. Cripps and White are certain to miss, so we need a mid and a defender. However, the Dogs do NOT have a large number of tall forwards. It makes the matchups interesting.
Graham was incredibly unlucky to miss out last weekend. He is a cert to come in as his senior form is about as good as it gets from him.
Byrne looks to be a decent chance, although he isn't back to his barnstorming best yet. He was noticeable on the weekend.
They would be the higher probability entries at the moment.

Behind them would be Boekhorst and Alex Silvagni. Boekhorst has played about as well as he can play over the last 2 weeks and can't do much more to press for inclusion. However, he has never been able to transfer that form to the seniors. Silvagni has missed quite a while and I thought would probably come back via the VFL. However, his inclusion would add some stability and experience to our taller defenders, even though Jones has done the job so far.
Smedts was good and is in the queue, but is not as well favoured as some others.
A possibility is playing Harry McKay, as the Dogs do not have a plethora of taller defenders. I don't think I would do it: Harry's form last week was ordinary and his kicking is just not reliable enough yet.

I can't see too many others in the mix to be honest. I am sure that Williamson will come back via the VFL. Sumner didn't do enough, nor did Pickett.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 10, 2017, 02:00:25 pm
Smedts and Boekhorst both burnt the footy at VFL level, they made Kerridge look efficient!

If fit I think Byrne is a certainty, the others I'm not sure about!
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: flyboy77 on July 10, 2017, 02:17:47 pm
ACoS certain t o come back. We miss his hard at it, mongrel..... good fit for Stringer?
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 10, 2017, 02:43:14 pm
Byrne will be in and probably would have replaced White in any case, either Graham or Smedts for Cripps and it won't make much difference which.
Jones will get Stringer you would think, Weitering for Redpath and that's about it for Footscray's tall forwards.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: tonyo on July 10, 2017, 03:20:19 pm
Byrne will be in and probably would have replaced White in any case, either Graham or Smedts for Cripps and it won't make much difference which.
Jones will get Stringer you would think, Weitering for Redpath and that's about it for Footscray's tall forwards.

Cloke will probably play
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 10, 2017, 04:05:40 pm
I suspect if ACoS is back(Replacing White) we'll see Doc in the midfield rotations, and Byrne coming on for Doc of the HBF.

Byrne is also midfield capable, as is Sheehan.

We'll need some numbers to run through the midfield in Cripps absence.

Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 10, 2017, 04:06:36 pm
Cloke will probably play

Cripps definitely won't, it's just been reported that he's broken his leg and is done for the season.
One door closes and another opens as they say, time for the kids to stand up.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 10, 2017, 05:52:27 pm
We dont have a player to replace Cripps..I'd expect us to drop away in clearances and really struggle.
Great opportunity for some players to stand up and save their careers....
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 10, 2017, 05:57:27 pm
We dont have a player to replace Cripps..I'd expect us to drop away in clearances and really struggle.
Great opportunity for some players to stand up and save their careers....

Despite leaving the ground with over a half to play, Cripps was still our leading clearance player yesterday.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: BluePhantom on July 10, 2017, 05:59:49 pm
We dont have a player to replace Cripps..I'd expect us to drop away in clearances and really struggle.
Great opportunity for some players to stand up and save their careers....

ACOS comes in and goes back, Jones to the midfield to replace Crippa with his new found love and aggression of the game! :)
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 10, 2017, 06:04:14 pm
You'd have to think that one of (or both) Graham and Palmer would come in for Cripps. Mature body to play midfield.

I'd even go as far to say Smedts is a small chance as he's good size and i liked a few things he did in the 2's.

Why not all 3?

OUT: White, Cripps, Lamb, Sheehan
IN: Silvagni, Graham, Smedts, Palmer

You are not going to replace Cripps with one player, so try 3.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: flyboy77 on July 10, 2017, 06:17:23 pm
Tough on Lamb who was very serviceable in his first game back?
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 10, 2017, 06:50:40 pm
You'd have to think that one of (or both) Graham and Palmer would come in for Cripps. Mature body to play midfield.

I'd even go as far to say Smedts is a small chance as he's good size and i liked a few things he did in the 2's.

Why not all 3?

OUT: White, Cripps, Lamb, Sheehan
IN: Silvagni, Graham, Smedts, Palmer

You are not going to replace Cripps with one player, so try 3.

Agree on those changes but I would leave Lamb in and leave Smedts out.....think Docherty may have to run through the midfield as well....I think Byrne would also be a strong chance to play if you wanted a player to play half back and release Docherty.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on July 10, 2017, 07:00:00 pm
ACOS, Willo, Boekhorst, Smedts, Byrne, Graham and Palmer would all be realistic possibles for this w/e. Personally I think it'll be ACOS for White, Willo for Sheehan and Graham for Cripps. Byrne, Boekhorst and Palmer emergencies. Pickett could be a smokey.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 10, 2017, 07:20:25 pm
Agree on those changes but I would leave Lamb in and leave Smedts out.....think Docherty may have to run through the midfield as well....I think Byrne would also be a strong chance to play if you wanted a player to play half back and release Docherty.

Went for Smedts over lamb just because of the size difference.

Size wise, he's probably the closest replacement to Cripps.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on July 10, 2017, 07:26:42 pm
Went for Smedts over lamb just because of the size difference.

Size wise, he's probably the closest replacement to Cripps.

Lamb over Smedts owing to a dash of mongrel and thinks like a footballer, Billie is still a bit slow in the decision dept. though has unquestionable ability.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: madbluboy on July 10, 2017, 07:33:34 pm
We should be in full tank mode now. Hopefully the Lions hand us Rayner like they did Weitering.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 10, 2017, 08:49:21 pm
We should be in full tank mode now. Hopefully the Lions hand us Rayner like they did Weitering.
Not a palatable subject is tanking but I'd be thinking same...
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 10, 2017, 08:57:35 pm
ACOS, Willo, Boekhorst, Smedts, Byrne, Graham and Palmer would all be realistic possibles for this w/e. Personally I think it'll be ACOS for White, Willo for Sheehan and Graham for Cripps. Byrne, Boekhorst and Palmer emergencies. Pickett could be a smokey.
ACOS and Willo in, Cripps and White out. BB will never play again, Graham is not required, Pickett has a very long way to go, needs to change his attitude towards preparation and in game intensity. There is much expectation on a very low draft pick like that and being a low draft pick doesn't cut you slack, in fact it brings heat from what is a very brutal industry. He'll soon learn, one way or the other.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Professer E on July 10, 2017, 10:00:49 pm
Byrne is the only bloke at the NBs who currently looks like being more than a mediocre senior player.  No to Smedts et al., opportunities should go to blokes who we should be putting time into not stop gaps.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: RiverRat on July 10, 2017, 11:52:16 pm
Tough on Lamb who was very serviceable in his first game back?

Lamb has yet to impress me but I thought his game against the Dees was about as well as I have seen him play so I would be surprised if he was omitted- then again, I was surprised that Graham missed this week.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: flyboy77 on July 11, 2017, 06:15:22 am
i really think both SPS and Fisher would benefit from time in the 2s, but clearly I'm in the minority on that one so better STFU.....
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on July 11, 2017, 08:12:58 am
Agree on those changes but I would leave Lamb in and leave Smedts out.....think Docherty may have to run through the midfield as well....I think Byrne would also be a strong chance to play if you wanted a player to play half back and release Docherty.

It was good to see Docherty in the midfield against Melbourne.  I'd prefer him to play as a midfielder and I think that we have the players to cover his absence from the backline, particularly if Byrne can get back to his best.

Lamb did OK and I'd be surprised if he was dropped ... and it's not as if we have NBs knocking down the door for a game.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on July 11, 2017, 08:55:31 am
i really think both SPS and Fisher would benefit from time in the 2s, but clearly I'm in the minority on that one so better STFU.....

You can raise your views Fly.

If everyone had the same opinion, this forum would die quickly and people would stop posting.

Personally, I see the merit in what you are saying, but I don't necessarily agree largely because the other options are not really staking a claim to push them out of the side.

Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Vivian on July 11, 2017, 09:42:18 am
i really think both SPS and Fisher would benefit from time in the 2s, but clearly I'm in the minority on that one so better STFU.....

Agree, but we lack the depth to do this. Cunningham demonstrates the need for a full season of work before challenging for senior selection in year 2. Fisher is very slight and SPS has much to learn about the game and positioning. They are so young and it would be ideal that they get some game time at VFL level.

Ive never bought the argument that a player will perform better at AFL level so they should start early. VFL is a high standard. I suspect the issue is more about misaligned senior and aeconds teams, i.e. playing a different style and thin lists. The first problem is clearly being addressed this year and the second is a work in progress.

Nevertheless, we may have to play the above because the cupboard is getting a little bare.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: flyboy77 on July 11, 2017, 11:44:21 am
It was good to see Docherty in the midfield against Melbourne.  I'd prefer him to play as a midfielder and I think that we have the players to cover his absence from the backline, particularly if Byrne can get back to his best.

Lamb did OK and I'd be surprised if he was dropped ... and it's not as if we NBs knocking down the door for a game.

Well i did think Graham was very useful against the Crows and comfortably held his own/did his part!
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on July 11, 2017, 12:23:31 pm
We should be in full tank mode now. Hopefully the Lions hand us Rayner like they did Weitering.

I've learned over time that tanking tends to hurt the culture, something BB is working so hard to develop, so no more tanking. Reckon our first pick might go on Josh Kelly anyway.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on July 11, 2017, 12:48:03 pm
I've learned over time that tanking tends to hurt the culture, something BB is working so hard to develop, so no more tanking...........

Agree 154%
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on July 11, 2017, 03:19:40 pm
Well i did think Graham was very useful against the Crows and comfortably held his own/did his part!

Yes, he was stiff to miss out.

I reckon he could come in for Cripps but that won't do much to relieve pressure on our mids.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Tragic on July 11, 2017, 03:33:55 pm
I look into the rear view mirror at Carlton over the last few years playing good teams that are down on form, and getting close to being written off.  Port Adelaide comes to mind atleast twice.  And what do I see.  I see those teams setting themselves for us, knowing if they bully us they can break us, which they invariably did.

This is a very big test of how far we have come.  The bullies will try to bully us and snap their bad form.  They'll be throwing everything at us, or they should be anyway. 

Our boys have been putting in big efforts, and getting close, but haven't been getting the choccies too many times.  They might be getting a bit tired, and a bit disappointed with honourable losses, and might be getting close to the end of season cliff (for non-finalists). If the boys stand strong and can win this game, I see it as a bit of a landmark game, especially with Cripps out.

We need to take good form into the preseason.  Fook tanking.  Start winning.

Oh yeah, and if Willo is fit, I'd have him straight back in.  Some of us (myself included) forget how good this kid was looking.  He could be the steal of last years draft.  If he's not fit and ready, then ease him back in through the magoo's, but if he's chomping at the bit, in he goes.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 11, 2017, 05:30:26 pm
Yes, he was stiff to miss out.

I reckon he could come in for Cripps but that won't do much to relieve pressure on our mids.

Clearances are the issue....Cripps is the only decent clearance player we have, Graham wont be able to pick up that slack.....with Cripps out it might really wake up the club we need another big bodied mid on the list and also intensify the hunt for Josh Kelly...
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 11, 2017, 05:39:15 pm
Clearances are the issue....Cripps is the only decent clearance player we have, Graham wont be able to pick up that slack.....with Cripps out it might really wake up the club we need another big bodied
mid on the list and also intensify the hunt for Josh Kelly...

Really missing Ed Curnow, I bet a few posters would be shocked to think we'd be saying that in 2017!

Might not clear the ball but puts the brakes on opponents doing so, if not the best one of the AFLs best at it!
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: flyboy77 on July 11, 2017, 07:10:56 pm
Yes, he was stiff to miss out.

I reckon he could come in for Cripps but that won't do much to relieve pressure on our mids.

i think Graham 'wants it' - he wants to make the grade....

given a serious run at it, i think he'll surprise many...

He aint slow and his disposal is pretty good.

He, like all, just needs to know he belongs...
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: BluePhantom on July 11, 2017, 07:20:49 pm
Clearances are the issue....Cripps is the only decent clearance player we have, Graham wont be able to pick up that slack.....with Cripps out it might really wake up the club we need another big bodied mid on the list and also intensify the hunt for Josh Kelly...

Put Jones in the centre for one game and I think you will be surprised. Make it easy for him, see ball get ball type game plan and the oppo will have to defend him. ACOS can take the big forward.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: flyboy77 on July 11, 2017, 09:08:12 pm
Put Jones in the centre for one game and I think you will be surprised. Make it easy for him, see ball get ball type game plan and the oppo will have to defend him. ACOS can take the big forward.

Docherty....
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 11, 2017, 09:21:50 pm
Agree 154%
I guess we differ, I only agreed 153.44%
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: bratblue on July 11, 2017, 09:40:14 pm
Put Jones in the centre for one game and I think you will be surprised. Make it easy for him, see ball get ball type game plan and the oppo will have to defend him. ACOS can take the big forward.

Lets wait until after the ink has dried.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on July 11, 2017, 09:45:15 pm
I guess we differ, I only agreed 153.44%

As only a true engineer could. Well played sir.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 11, 2017, 09:45:52 pm
As only a true engineer could. Well played sir.
;D ;D ;D Couldnt help myself
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 11, 2017, 09:48:51 pm
Docherty....
Doc has started in the middle at centre bounces plenty this year.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: flyboy77 on July 11, 2017, 09:53:52 pm
Doc has started in the middle at centre bounces plenty this year.

 indeed.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 11, 2017, 09:55:01 pm
indeed.
Does very well in there as well. Love how they are using him this year. Very difficult to tag.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: DJC on July 11, 2017, 10:00:06 pm
Doc has started in the middle at centre bounces plenty this year.

As I wrote earlier, Docherty should be part of the midfield rotations now.  He needs to add a little polish, like nailing that shot at goal, but that will come given the opportunity, and we need more midfield grunt. 

There's more than enough talent in our defensive pool to cover Docherty's absence.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: BluePhantom on July 11, 2017, 10:24:20 pm
Lets wait until after the ink has dried.
:o
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 12, 2017, 04:24:06 pm
I'll be amazed if Byrne doesn't get selected, he's a better player than White anyway.
The other one is a bit tricky, Graham is the obvious choice but it wouldn't surprise me if they go with Smedts, I don't think there will be any changes but the forced ones.
If Cripps was playing I'd be confident but with both him and Ed Curnow missing we might struggle to match Footscray's intensity around the ball.
A bit less than a 50% chance I reckon.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 12, 2017, 04:33:20 pm
I'll be amazed if Byrne doesn't get selected, he's a better player than White anyway.

Great when he gets near the ball, and I agree looked the most likely for AFL of all our NBs crew despite Boekhorst getting 30+ touches.

However, the when he gets near the ball part is a clincher at the moment. He's way out of touch and way out of fitness. I doubt he'd come in and have any more impact than Sheehan is at the moment and most supporters potted Sheehan after the last game. (BTW., I don't think that is Sheehan's fault, we used him poorly giving him the wrong opponent and the wrong position!)

Also, I hear Byrne has a severe case of bruising on the very same knee he has just recovered from injuring. So I suspect with only a few games to go in 2017 we will be very, very conservative with Ciaran Byrne!
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 12, 2017, 04:42:33 pm
He's played fewer games than SPS, Silvagni and Curnow, he needs to play.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: flyboy77 on July 12, 2017, 05:36:40 pm
The guy is a million miles from being ready for the top level.....let alone the corky or whatever he appears to have....

nurse him through to 2018.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LoveNavy on July 12, 2017, 09:39:39 pm
Ed and Crippa as we know, will be hard to cover given our midfield shallowness (although opposite to depth - doesn't sound quite right ::)).

I'm hoping Kerridge keeps his spot. IMO his skills have improved this year (work rate remains first class). He can consolidate this if given some consecutive games. The optimist in me thinks he's got more improvement to come.

Really have no idea who will cover Crippa. Well I do but don't think they let you have 23 on the pitch ;D

Go new Blues
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 13, 2017, 02:41:24 pm
Ed and Crippa as we know, will be hard to cover given our midfield shallowness (although opposite to depth - doesn't sound quite right ::)).

I'm hoping Kerridge keeps his spot. IMO his skills have improved this year (work rate remains first class). He can consolidate this if given some consecutive games. The optimist in me thinks he's got more improvement to come.

Really have no idea who will cover Crippa. Well I do but don't think they let you have 23 on the pitch ;D

Go new Blues
The only young fella that comes close in terms of size (sort of) and composure around the footy is Willo. Is he still injured? If he is ready, give him a crack in the guts. What is there to lose? I'd back him in.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: shadesy on July 13, 2017, 02:49:30 pm
Are we still bashing on about Mick... FMD
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 13, 2017, 03:04:08 pm
Are we still bashing on about Mick... FMD

With every game Jones is making Mick look like more and more of a genius.  ;)
Mick also drafted in Cripps, traded out Hampson and traded in Docherty for pick 30 or something.
But Daisy, I hear them say.....................
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 13, 2017, 03:37:52 pm
The only young fella that comes close in terms of size (sort of) and composure around the footy is Willo. Is he still injured? If he is ready, give him a crack in the guts. What is there to lose? I'd back him in.

Williamson is out for another 1 or 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 13, 2017, 03:38:30 pm
With every game Jones is making Mick look like more and more of a genius.  ;)

Mick recruited Jones as a forward, tried him for 1/2 of a season in 2015 and gave him the kibosh!
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Bear on July 13, 2017, 03:41:21 pm
Are we still bashing on about Mick... FMD

My fault...
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 13, 2017, 03:48:51 pm
Mick recruited Jones as a forward, tried him for 1/2 of a season in 2015 and gave him the kibosh!

Mick said he was a beast, but no one believed him and called him a spud, me included I might add.
He's part of Mick's legacy for better or worse, at this stage it's looking like better.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on July 13, 2017, 04:14:29 pm
He was brought to the club, and we all complained loud and long about him. The club didn't know where he fitted in, whether to keep or delist him etc. Then finally he showed some decent vfl form down back, and now he's playing senior footy.

A bit like the old Irish joke about them inventing the toilet seat, and the English putting a hole in it.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on July 13, 2017, 04:32:46 pm
With every game Jones is making Mick look like more and more of a genius.  ;)
Mick also drafted in Cripps, traded out Hampson and traded in Docherty for pick 30 or something.
But Daisy, I hear them say.....................

Who is this Mick you speak of... ??? ;) ;)
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 13, 2017, 04:53:44 pm
Who is this Mick you speak of... ??? ;) ;)

He came and went like a summer breeze, leaving barely a trace except for an ominous presence now known simply as Liam.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on July 13, 2017, 05:36:46 pm
He came and went like a summer breeze, leaving barely a trace except for an ominous presence now known simply as Liam.

 ;D ;D Touche.

Though the poetry of 'a summer breeze' could easily be replaced with 'the pungent flatulence of a mad gorilla.' Either way we do end up with St Liam  :D
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: bratblue on July 13, 2017, 05:42:08 pm


Though the poetry of 'a summer breeze' could easily be replaced with 'the pungent flatulence of a mad gorilla.'

Phew  you're out doing yourself Baggers!
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 13, 2017, 05:57:28 pm
;D ;D Touche.

Though the poetry of 'a summer breeze' could easily be replaced with 'the pungent flatulence of a mad gorilla.

Harsh Baggers, harsh.
We're on the up, our past trials are behind us and best forgotten.
Don't mention the war!
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pinot on July 13, 2017, 06:08:46 pm
Im sick of losing - really getting sick of it.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on July 13, 2017, 06:27:07 pm
Carlton's Round 17 extended squad:

Backs   38. Ciaran Byrne   14. Liam Jones   20. Lachie Plowman
Half-backs   15. Sam Docherty 23. Jacob Weitering   39. Dale Thomas
Centreline   6. Kade Simpson   4. Bryce Gibbs   13. Jed Lamb
Half-forwards   11. Sam Kerridge   30. Charlie Curnow   46. Matthew Wright
Forwards   5. Sam Petrevksi-Seton   41. Levi Casboult   1. Jack Silvagni
Followers   8. Matthew Kreuzer   3. Marc Murphy (C)   25. Zac Fisher
Interchange from:   7. Dylan Buckley   12. Blaine Boekhorst   28. David Cuningham
32. Nick Graham   44. Alex Silvagni   21. Ciaran Sheehan
19. Liam Sumner   
In: Silvagni, Buckley, Byrne, Boekhorst, Graham, Sumner

Out: White (knee), Cripps (leg), Macreadie (omitted)

WESTERN BULLDOGS
In:R.Murphy, S.Biggs, T.Dickson, D.Hamilton, B.Williams, L.Young
Out: M.Boyd (Achilles), E.Wood (suspension), C.Smith
New: Declan Hamilton (Port Adelaide SANFL), Lewis Young (Sturt)
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: sandsmere on July 13, 2017, 06:44:00 pm
Im sick of losing - really getting sick of it.

We are just over half way into a 3, perhaps 4 year  rebuild.
We are doing pretty well under the circumstances.

Grow up. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: BluePhantom on July 13, 2017, 06:46:11 pm
Carlton's Round 17 extended squad:

Backs   38. Ciaran Byrne   14. Liam Jones   20. Lachie Plowman
Half-backs   15. Sam Docherty 23. Jacob Weitering   39. Dale Thomas
Centreline   6. Kade Simpson   4. Bryce Gibbs   13. Jed Lamb
Half-forwards   11. Sam Kerridge   30. Charlie Curnow   46. Matthew Wright
Forwards   5. Sam Petrevksi-Seton   41. Levi Casboult   1. Jack Silvagni
Followers   8. Matthew Kreuzer   3. Marc Murphy (C)   25. Zac Fisher
Interchange from:   7. Dylan Buckley   12. Blaine Boekhorst   28. David Cuningham
32. Nick Graham   44. Alex Silvagni   21. Ciaran Sheehan
19. Liam Sumner   
In: Silvagni, Buckley, Byrne, Boekhorst, Graham, Sumner

Out: White (knee), Cripps (leg), Macreadie (omitted)

WESTERN BULLDOGS
In:R.Murphy, S.Biggs, T.Dickson, D.Hamilton, B.Williams, L.Young
Out: M.Boyd (Achilles), E.Wood (suspension), C.Smith
New: Declan Hamilton (Port Adelaide SANFL), Lewis Young (Sturt)
No McKay?
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: sandsmere on July 13, 2017, 06:48:54 pm
I reckon our interchange will be Boekhorst,  Cuningham, Graham and Alex S.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: sandsmere on July 13, 2017, 06:51:40 pm
No McKay?

Correct.
BB said through the week that he won't be played until they reckon he's ready.

Obviously got a bit to go yet.

Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: townsendcalling on July 13, 2017, 06:59:47 pm
Correct.
BB said through the week that he won't be played until they reckon he's ready.

Obviously got a bit to go yet.

More than happy with that. No gifts, earn it.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on July 13, 2017, 07:10:23 pm
I reckon our interchange will be Boekhorst,  Cuningham, Graham and Alex S.

Yep, makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 13, 2017, 07:52:37 pm
It's great to see Casey back, I hope this week is one of 200 games he plays for the Mighty Blues.
I hope Sheehan gets a game as well, although I think Byrne is the better of the two I think both of the Irish lads are serious talents.
I'm surprised to see Buckley named in the squad after watching the VFL last week, and just as surprised to see Smedts overlooked, Armfield could have got a look in as well on form.
Cloke isn't playing so Footscray lack some fire power with him, Boyd and Crameri missing, but they are manic around the ball and we'll miss Cripps and Ed Curnow.
It will be a tall order but it gives the kids a great opportunity against the reigning premiers.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: maxm68 on July 13, 2017, 08:26:09 pm

I'm surprised to see Buckley named in the squad after watching the VFL last week


If it's not form why would they name Buckley as emergency now ?   They did it with Mckay last week and I can't see the point of doing it with Buckley... just play him..  give him two weeks to save his career or so long thanks for trying for 5 years and all the best for the future..
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 14, 2017, 04:39:10 pm
Rumor

Cunningham Out
Macreadie In
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: townsendcalling on July 14, 2017, 05:18:51 pm
Buckley, Silvagni, Boekhurst, Graham on the bench

Cunners out.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on July 14, 2017, 05:19:17 pm
In: A.Silvagni, Buckley, Boekhorst, Graham, Byrne

Out: White (knee), Cripps (leg), Cuningham (hip), Sheehan (omitted), Macreadie (omitted)
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 14, 2017, 05:50:17 pm
MacReadie is stiff..didnt think he did much wrong...
Last chance for Boekhorst and Buckley....the former needs to attack the footy better and no handbrake finishes....
Buckley needs to show he can make a tackle stick at senior level and not butcher the ball...
Good luck to Byrne who might allow Docherty some time on the ball..
Need to man up better and make it a tight contest.....dont want the likes of Hunter and MacRae racking up 30 easy possies each because our lazy mids wont
pick them up...
Presume Bontempelli will get someone like Kerridge for company, dont have much else to run with him...that could get ugly for us...the .Bont is due for a big game..
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 14, 2017, 05:57:32 pm
MacReadie is stiff..didnt think he did much wrong...
Last chance for Boekhorst and Buckley....the former needs to attack the footy better and no handbrake finishes....
Buckley needs to show he can make a tackle stick at senior level and not butcher the ball...
Good luck to Byrne who might allow Docherty some time on the ball..
Need to man up better and make it a tight contest.....dont want the likes of Hunter and MacRae racking up 30 easy possies each because our lazy mids wont
pick them up...
Presume Bontempelli will get someone like Kerridge for company, dont have much else to run with him...that could ugly for us...the .Bont is due for a big game..
I thought Boeky's last chance was the last game he played in the 1's TBH. Said it before that he appears to be one of those "too good for VFL not good enough for AFL" type players. 
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on July 14, 2017, 06:15:44 pm
This'll be interesting! Not so good news for the NBs... cupboard will be pretty bare there.

Be really interesting to see how Bucks, Boekhorst and Casey do. Some good speed there, looking at the up side!

I've mentioned it before and will again, wow, Palmer must have really p1ssed off someone at PP, although last week was okay his previous form has been very good. Having Sumner selected in front of him is a  :o moment.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on July 14, 2017, 06:25:48 pm
Notwithstanding the far greater issue of depression, on a smaller note it's shame that Tom Boyd won't be playing, because I would have loved to see Liam "Giant Slayer" Jones match up on him.

Good luck Tommy.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 14, 2017, 06:38:06 pm
With the exception of Byrne they're fairly ordinary ins, it's hard to see us winning.
Armfield must be feeling like a jilted teenager.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 14, 2017, 06:44:34 pm
With the exception of Byrne they're fairly ordinary ins, it's hard to see us winning.
Armfield must be feeling like a jilted teenager.
Ill say we have a chance only because we have been competitive and "in" most games up to our ear this year. Having said that, Byrne aside, the ins are less than inspiring.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Rational_Expectations on July 14, 2017, 07:55:55 pm
Ill say we have a chance only because we have been competitive and "in" most games up to our ear this year. Having said that, Byrne aside, the ins are less than inspiring.

A Silvagni inspires me.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on July 14, 2017, 08:00:11 pm
This'll be interesting! Not so good news for the NBs... cupboard will be pretty bare there.

Be really interesting to see how Bucks, Boekhorst and Casey do. Some good speed there, looking at the up side!

I've mentioned it before and will again, wow, Palmer must have really p1ssed off someone at PP, although last week was okay his previous form has been very good. Having Sumner selected in front of him is a  :o moment.

I reckon you would be more worried getting a token run in the seniors rather than playing in the magoos.

If Palmer has more than a year, then he's obviously not under pressure to perform at this point.

The rest are literally playing for their lives.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on July 14, 2017, 08:19:59 pm
A Silvagni inspires me.

Was thinking much the same.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 14, 2017, 09:53:56 pm
Was thinking much the same.

Not sure I would use the word inspire but he does give you a safe feeling when you see him down back...
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Rational_Expectations on July 14, 2017, 10:05:49 pm
Not sure I would sue the word inspire but he does give you a safe feeling when you see him down back...

The five minute patch on Buddy where he repeatedly closed him down.

The dogged chase down tackle on the wing against Collingwood.

Made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: PaulP on July 14, 2017, 10:47:46 pm
The five minute patch on Buddy where he repeatedly closed him down.

The dogged chase down tackle on the wing against Collingwood.

Made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

Me too. With Liam the Dragon Slayer in good form down back, I'd be tempted to try Alex in Cripps' role, at least for 1 game. Reckon he'd relish the challenge.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 15, 2017, 12:13:19 am
A Silvagni inspires me.
Apologies, wasnt referring to him.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: sandsmere on July 15, 2017, 05:05:09 am
Rumor

Cunningham Out
Macreadie In


your rumours worry me LP.  ???
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 15, 2017, 08:10:03 am

your rumours worry me LP.  ???

Not sure why the rumour was only half right, was all through the sports departments at 4pm. Interesting to see if Macreadie plays today.

Apparently it was announced on a radio station well before I posted
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 15, 2017, 12:10:37 pm
We seem a bit top heavy down back.
Footscray have three tall forwards unavailable so essentially only have Stringer and Redpath yet we are playing Jones, Weitering and Alex Silvagni, and Plowman can also play tall.
I would have liked to see another mobile bloke in like Armfield, or McKay instead of Alex Silvagni to give them something to think about in our front half.
Jones will get Stringer and Weitering Redpath I'd guess.  
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: crashlander on July 15, 2017, 05:47:57 pm
Cuningham is definitely out with a hip injury. he was replaced on the bench yesterday. However, neither Sumner nor Smedts played today. Macreadie did play and was more than OK. However, he would not be promoted on his performance.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 15, 2017, 07:43:34 pm
We seem a bit top heavy down back.
Footscray have three tall forwards unavailable so essentially only have Stringer and Redpath yet we are playing Jones, Weitering and Alex Silvagni, and Plowman can also play tall.
I would have liked to see another mobile bloke in like Armfield, or McKay instead of Alex Silvagni to give them something to think about in our front half.
Jones will get Stringer and Weitering Redpath I'd guess.

Weitering will play forward.

Plowman will play small.

That leaves the taller, but quick and agile duo of Jones and Silvagni to gold down CHB/FB.

Seems pretty well balanced to me.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 15, 2017, 09:04:45 pm
Weitering will play forward.

He's not much good as a forward, we should shelve the ides.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 16, 2017, 08:10:32 am
He's not much good as a forward, we should shelve the ides.

Problem is we don't have anyone who is much good as a forward. Gotta play someone there.
Weitering is better than are alternatives.

Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: pinot on July 16, 2017, 08:18:16 am
He's not much good as a forward, we should shelve the ides.

He is better than Weideman and Schache same age as key forwards.

Weideman has kicked three goals, Schache has kicked six and Weits has kicked seven from less games and younger than the two by few months.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Thryleon on July 16, 2017, 08:50:27 am
He is better than Weideman and Schache same age as key forwards.

Weideman has kicked three goals, Schache has kicked six and Weits has kicked seven from less games and younger than the two by few months.

Weiters has played more games back than forward.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 16, 2017, 09:21:36 am
He's not much good as a forward, we should shelve the ides.
x2. He's a defender, leave him there.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 16, 2017, 12:22:47 pm
He is better than Weideman and Schache same age as key forwards.

Maybe, but who cares?
He's a 10 year key defender who we can build our defence around, why distract him by playing him out of position when we'll finish bottom three anyway?
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 16, 2017, 12:29:26 pm
Maybe, but who cares?
He's a 10 year key defender who we can build our defence around, why distract him by playing him out of position when we'll finish bottom three anyway?

Do we NEED him in defence?
Macreadie (19)
Marchbank (20)
Plowman (22)
Jones (26)
Rowe (29)
Silvagni (29)

We've got that pretty covered don't ya think?
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 16, 2017, 01:20:49 pm
Do we NEED him in defence?
Macreadie (19)
Marchbank (20)
Plowman (22)
Jones (26)
Rowe (29)
Silvagni (29)

We've got that pretty covered don't ya think?

Yes we do, I think Jones(Assuming this current form isn't an aberration) and Weitering are the KPD pair we should build around for the next major tilt at finals, they could be around for another 6 to 8 years as a stable duo! I like the idea of Marchbank, Plowman, Docherty, Macreadie and Williamson working around them at ground level or pushing forward as I think they are more creative.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 16, 2017, 01:40:16 pm
Do we NEED him in defence?
Macreadie (19)
Marchbank (20)
Plowman (22)
Jones (26)
Rowe (29)
Silvagni (29)

We've got that pretty covered don't ya think?

Rowe and Silvagni won't be around for a Premiership tilt, Macredie might not make the grade.
Weitering is the pick of them, why ruin what could be a top class defensive unit?
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: laj on July 16, 2017, 01:49:54 pm
Patrick Keaneā€ @AFL_PKeane 3m3 minutes ago

AFL advises Dale Thomas has withdrawn from Carlton side v WBull today.
Liam Sumner into 22 from emergencies.
Billie Smedts now extra emerg.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: LP on July 16, 2017, 02:00:26 pm
I suppose I'll still watch to see what Casey can do first game back, but I'm not confident now!
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: blue4life on July 16, 2017, 02:02:52 pm
I suppose I'll still watch to see what Casey can do first game back, but I'm not confident now!

Likewise, too many VFL players in the team.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: Baggers on July 16, 2017, 03:00:58 pm
Sumner replacing Daisy... yep, shows how decimated we are by injury. I would have thought Smedts to be a better proposition... c'est la vie.
Title: Re: Rd 17: pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Post by: kruddler on July 16, 2017, 03:26:47 pm
Rowe and Silvagni won't be around for a Premiership tilt, Macredie might not make the grade.
Weitering is the pick of them, why ruin what could be a top class defensive unit?

Lets say we only get 2 more years out of each.

Lets look at what we had on our list (from the above list) 2 years ago.
Macreadie (19)
Marchbank (20)
Plowman (22)
Jones (26)
Rowe (29)
Silvagni (29)

We only had Jones and Rowe on our list 2 years ago.

So 2 years from now, who knows who else we'll have on our list so that we no longer require Weitering there.

Point is, for the next 2 years at least, we have an abundance of talent there without Weitering.