http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-07/aflw-bulldogs-and-blues-to-hold-pride-match
Carlton skipper Brianna Davey and Western Bulldogs defender Hannah Scott, both of whom are openly gay, were on hand to help launch the match.
Davey said it would be exciting to share a such a match with her partner, Blues' midfielder Tilly Lucas-Rodd.
If they weren't before, they are now.
Speaking of Tilly, she didn't play round 1 did she? Injured??
Tilly was ne of the emergencies.
We go into this one without Tayla Harris and Bri Davey. That is going to take a huge bite of talent out of our capabilities.
It will also be interesting if we can improve in our weak areas in a week. I doubt it, but I look forward to being proved wrong. Next year?
We go into this one without Tayla Harris and Bri Davey. That is going to take a huge bite of talent out of our capabilities.
It will also be interesting if we can improve in our weak areas in a week. I doubt it, but I look forward to being proved wrong. Next year?
Harris did sfa agaunst the Lions though, granted, given the woeful ball use hard to blame her...
Harris did sfa agaunst the Lions though, granted, given the woeful ball use hard to blame her...
She shouldn't have been reported for that, she pulled the hit and it barely connected. We should appeal this!
Harris did sfa agaunst the Lions though, granted, given the woeful ball use hard to blame her...
She got SFA of the ball, but it wasn't through lack of trying.
She presented and made contests, kicking to her was average.
Its funny, her issue is her kicking, her strength is her marking. Remind you of anyone.
Thing is, if big Levi managed to do the 1%ers like she does, i wouldn't be on his back as much.
As for the report, she should've gone. She tried to hide it by giving her former teammate a pat on the shoulder afterwards, but as a part-time boxer, she knows how to throw her hands, and it was NOT an attempt to hit the ball.
Stupid. 1 week.
Pride guernsey has been unveiled..
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-02-20/pride-guernsey-unveiled
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWcm9TvUMAAkobM.jpg)
We need a like button!
Hmmm, it's OK but I'm not a big fan of changing the jumper.
Not because I don't like the design but because for me the traditional jumper and logo should be sacrosanct. If you get to wear it you should get to wear "it!" It's like getting your "Men in Black" suit, it should be the one and only. When you put that jumper on, you should be nervous about wearing it and living up to the reputation and expectations. You should be putting on a mindset!
Plus I want the opposition to know it, I want that navy blue to be intimidating, awe inspiring, elite. It should be like getting your Baggy Green cap.
I think the club could have done something with the shorts/socks and retained the jumper as is.
Otherwise it's a good job, a blend of old and new.
Is this Darcy's graphic design work ?
It's not that great IMO. Feels a little crude.
I'm not sure what it's trying to suggest. The rainbow emanates from the CFC logo - are we the originators of gay footy ? Is the CFC logo a source of strength for the LGBT community ?
IMO, leave the logo as is, and work on something groovy elsewhere on the jumper, like the indigenous round version.
Hmmm, it's OK but I'm not a big fan of changing the jumper.
Not because I don't like the design but because for me the traditional jumper and logo should be sacrosanct. If you get to wear it you should get to wear "it!" It's like getting your "Men in Black" suit, it should be the one and only. When you put that jumper on, you should be nervous about wearing it and living up to the reputation and expectations. You should be putting on a mindset!
Plus I want the opposition to know it, I want that navy blue to be intimidating, awe inspiring, elite. It should be like getting your Baggy Green cap.
I think the club could have done something with the shorts/socks and retained the jumper as is.
Otherwise it's a good job, a blend of old and new.
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Gee, we need the real stuff to start.
Who cares!!! (about the jumper)
Who cares about people saying who cares in relation to the AFLW.
you love to butt heads Kruddler.... ::) ::)
A bit childish for me. Reminds me of Go Jetters or Paw Patrol...
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the alternate strips, but if we are going to have one make it completely different like the one the girls launched earlier in the season.
I don't want us(The Club) playing around with the traditional jumper and logo. We've waited long enough for the traditional embossed design to return after a couple of decades stuffing around with modernisation themes.
How good did it look when the more traditional logo was re-launched?
Hmmm, it's OK but I'm not a big fan of changing the jumper.
Not because I don't like the design but because for me the traditional jumper and logo should be sacrosanct. If you get to wear it you should get to wear "it!" It's like getting your "Men in Black" suit, it should be the one and only. When you put that jumper on, you should be nervous about wearing it and living up to the reputation and expectations. You should be putting on a mindset!
Plus I want the opposition to know it, I want that navy blue to be intimidating, awe inspiring, elite. It should be like getting your Baggy Green cap.
I think the club could have done something with the shorts/socks and retained the jumper as is.
Otherwise it's a good job, a blend of old and new.
Yep.
Navy blue and white are our colours.
If you like the other flashy crap, go and follow the crows.
you love to butt heads Kruddler.... ::) ::)
There are usually a couple of 'ladies' threads each week. Every thread without fail someone comes on and spouts a 'who cares' post. If you don't care, don't read.
There are usually a couple of 'ladies' threads each week. Every thread without fail someone comes on and spouts a 'who cares' post. If you don't care, don't read.
Agree.
There are usually a couple of 'ladies' threads each week. Every thread without fail someone comes on and spouts a 'who cares' post. If you don't care, don't read.
Spot on!
Not sure where to put this, but apart from that, what's not to love ?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-22/aflw-carltons-new-diesel-gets-physical
Not sure where to put this, but apart from that, what's not to love ?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-22/aflw-carltons-new-diesel-gets-physical
The only thing i don't love is her age. I'd love for her to be a 10 year player for us, but thats not going to happen. :-\
Teams are in....
In: N.Plane, C.Webb, L.Arnell, M.Keryk
Out: L.Brazzale (shoulder), T.Harris (suspension), G.Gee (rested), K.Grieve
I actually liked KJG's game, i thought she had plenty of fight and tenacity. Its a shame about the other 3, all would be picked if they were 100%.
Good to see Arnell back. Very good to see Keryk in for her first game for the year. Not so fussed on the other 2, but we'll see.
As for the dogs...
In: K.McLeod, K.Rennie, L.Bailey
Out: K.Brennan (ankle), J.Anderson, D.Berry
We've been handed a huge win with KB not playing. That makes it 2 years in a row she's missed against us.
This round will have a big bearing on the ladder.
Currently 5 teams share 1st spot with a 2-1 record with us 1 spot behind the dogs (3rd and 4th).
Lions (1st) vs Freo (5th) will ensure its a 3-way tie for 1st after this week.
The only thing i don't love is her age. I'd love for her to be a 10 year player for us, but thats not going to happen. :-\
Yes, 32 means another few years only, if she's lucky.
Yes, 32 means another few years only, if she's lucky.
In a fledgling competition with such a short season like this one, its conceivable that the older ladies will play well into their 30's.
Think about it this way.
These girls are playing their second season, and most of them are doing a lot of work doing other things in between. In a couple of years time, the only thing the older ladies will want/need to do to play a summer ladies series, is maintain fitness and possibly just kick the footy around.
Sure, the youngsters will have speed to burn, but if history has shown us anything, thats the less you train as you get older the longer your career can last provided you dont have to rely too heavily on athleticism and agility (which the ladies are naturally better at anyway).
Katie Loynes a late out.
Ouch.
Katie Loynes a late out.
Ouch.
Damn - another loss looking likely.
Wow. This reminds me of watching our mens team. Lots of effort and desire, but outgunned in terms of skill and class, and I have no idea where our next goal is coming from
Totally out gunned. :(
...and with the outs, not much we can do about it.
Too much gap between our top players and the rest.
I think we're desparately short of quality midfielders (same as the mens team). I'd shop Vescio around, see if someone will trade a quality mid for her
44-0 as I type. Flag favourites no more.
Success....we broke the duck.
.....and we kick a goal! :o
That was much better.
Well done to Lauren Arnell. After a poor first half she's bounced back really well
I think we're desparately short of quality midfielders (same as the mens team). I'd shop Vescio around, see if someone will trade a quality mid for her
Vescio stays.
Better delivery and she will not be beaten.
We are desperately short on depth at the moment.
Davey out - irreplaceable
Harris out - irreplaceable
Brazzale and Gee - Plenty of much needed run and carry missing
Loynes a late out can't be replaced
Thats 5 out of the team who would be picked if fit.
I'm not sure if there are any other players who are injured that i don't know about.
There are only 27 spots on an AFLW list plus an additional 3 rookies.
20 players play each game.
So that means (at best) we have 5 fit players who are not playing....possibly 3 of them rookies!
When 25% of your best team, including your captain, are missing you are going to struggle in this comp.
Disproves the notion that the girls can't kick decent scores. And the Doggies haven't really been all that accurate.
Lochland 7 goals 3. That's Fev-like.
4th q is the first time I think I've seen our girls not go 100%. They look stuffed and dejected.
This is like 2012 in miniature. Start with lots of expectations, high hopes, then injuries, and it's all over Gulshan Grover.
Vescio stays.
Better delivery and she will not be beaten.
We are desperately short on depth at the moment.
Davey out - irreplaceable
Harris out - irreplaceable
Brazzale and Gee - Plenty of much needed run and carry missing
Loynes a late out can't be replaced
Thats 5 out of the team who would be picked if fit.
I'm not sure if there are any other players who are injured that i don't know about.
There are only 27 spots on an AFLW list plus an additional 3 rookies.
20 players play each game.
So that means (at best) we have 5 fit players who are not playing....possibly 3 of them rookies!
When 25% of your best team, including your captain, are missing you are going to struggle in this comp.
Understand that, but only 1 of those missing plays midfield, and we were horribly outclassed there tonight
Understand that, but only 1 of those missing plays midfield, and we were horribly outclassed there tonight
Loynes and Brazzale both play midfield, Gee will get more time in there in the future.
Davey provides more run through the midfield than most of our mids.
I'm not saying don't get more midfielders, i'm just saying we are low on our depth chart as it is in that area which is making it look worse than it would be if we didn't have those injuries
I thought Brazzale played mostly HBF? Anyway, what we need is a Kearney/Blackburn type. or maybe both of them
Disproves the notion that the girls can't kick decent scores. And the Doggies haven't really been all that accurate.
Evidently without their 2 better forwards :o
Goes to show how quickly things can change. For the worse in our case. It'll be a long week for our girls. Recover and reload ladies.
Vescio stays.
Better delivery and she will not be beaten.
We are desperately short on depth at the moment.
Davey out - irreplaceable
Harris out - irreplaceable
Brazzale and Gee - Plenty of much needed run and carry missing
Loynes a late out can't be replaced
Thats 5 out of the team who would be picked if fit.
I'm not sure if there are any other players who are injured that i don't know about.
There are only 27 spots on an AFLW list plus an additional 3 rookies.
20 players play each game.
So that means (at best) we have 5 fit players who are not playing....possibly 3 of them rookies!
When 25% of your best team, including your captain, are missing you are going to struggle in this comp.
You're certainly right there. Missing a few hurts the women's team way more as the depth just can't cover their loses.
Even with those playrs in, our midfield was inept nd our forward line woeful.
Is it the coachind strategy, the players or what but we have failed to score so frequently eg no score in 3 quarters today, it really is not a good advertisement for Carlton or the women's league...
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/brooke-lochland-kicks-record-seven-goals-as-bulldogs-thrash-carlton-20180223-p4z1jh.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/brooke-lochland-kicks-record-seven-goals-as-bulldogs-thrash-carlton-20180223-p4z1jh.html)
I'd think we were royally embarrassed tonight?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/brooke-lochland-kicks-record-seven-goals-as-bulldogs-thrash-carlton-20180223-p4z1jh.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/brooke-lochland-kicks-record-seven-goals-as-bulldogs-thrash-carlton-20180223-p4z1jh.html)
I'd think we were royally embarrassed tonight?
But didn’t you think they’ve been royally embarrassed in every game they’ve played ?
Not royally! :o
Can anyone tell me what right the umpire had to order a Carlton player to move from the backline where she was plying loose in defence, to our forward line and even waited for the girl to do so before throwing the ball up?
Can anyone tell me what right the umpire had to order a Carlton player to move from the backline where she was plying loose in defence, to our forward line and even waited for the girl to do so before throwing the ball up?
Girls must start 5, 6, 5 before the ball is bounced. (backs/mids/forwards)
New directive to stop flooding back.
Only happens at centre bounces.
And the AFL said we were too negative... look how generous we were in allowing the Dishlickers to kick a record score!
Seriously though, this is why I made the comment last week re no GF for us. Too many good outs BUT our game plan stinks (way too defensive) and it's too late for a new learned change. We'll bounce back next week and be better, but I hope we shift our game plan to something more balanced (between defensive/offensive) for 2019. Yesterday's effort wasn't embarrassing, it was humiliating.
Totally out gunned. :(
...and with the outs, not much we can do about it.
Too much gap between our top players and the rest.
Therein lies our biggest problem. We have a great bunch of girls with plenty of esprit de corps, but there are only a handful of top players. Of those, the best of them are out, a couple of the remainder are being cruelled simply by having their careers slowing down at the wrong time.
Alas I can see us not being all that hot until we can rebuild the list. We need to totally rebuild our midfield.
And the AFL said we were too negative... look how generous we were in allowing the Dishlickers to kick a record score!
Seriously though, this is why I made the comment last week re no GF for us. Too many good outs BUT our game plan stinks (way too defensive) and it's too late for a new learned change. We'll bounce back next week and be better, but I hope we shift our game plan to something more balanced (between defensive/offensive) for 2019. Yesterday's effort wasn't embarrassing, it was humiliating.
Our game plan per se is not that bad. At the moment we don't have the personnel to run it effectively. It is clearly a derivative of Pagan's Paddock. Most of our players are behind the ball for a lot of time. What it is lacking is the couple of key forwards who are good enough to win the ball against many opponents. Now that is being hopeful.
As we saw with us, Pagan's Paddock has its limitations: it assumes that most opposition players follow their direct opponent, instead of zoning off and creating a wall. it assumes that you have a forward or two available who will not let the ball go directly back into the opposing forward line and it assumes that you have an advantage in pace and skill over your direct opponent.
We do not have any of these, so our game plan is looking lame.
Last year we saw that we could score extremely quickly: the ball goes over the back to advantage and that is all she wrote. We were being belted by Brisbane last year when it clicked for us in the last quarter: they tired while we did not. In the end we were unlucky to get a draw, as they had no way to counter our ball movement.
So, why is not working this year? There are a number of reasons, but one clear one is the lack of production from our top echelon of players. They are either out injured or, like Lauren Arnell, struggling with the miles they have already done. Our next group of players have not been able to fill the gap.
So, what can we do about it? That is a good question, because if the answers were that easy, everyone would be doing it. We can:
[1] Change our game plan. Not sure that will make that much difference for this year. Certainly opening up our play will allow other teams to score more highly against us. Change it for next season? A possibility, but one that is going to depend on what our list looks like. Without either a significant boost in skills and fitness (neither of which is impossible), the present list does not look capable of producing the goods. But our game plan, whatever it may be, must fit our players better than the present one is doing. Changing direction more often and much quicker is certainly a starting point, but that depends on the midset of the players and the skills they have. At the moment we do not have enough confidence to make changes like that work. That was clear in the first 3 rounds: many players for looking for that move, but did not trust themselves to hit the target.
[2] Change our list: The Draft does limit us a bit, but it is still far from as reliable as the guys' draft is. Looking inter-state is not a bad idea. We picked a lass from Norwood this year, Sophie Li, who has been serviceable. Again, it is looking that the best of her has already passed, but the idea is not a bad one. I am not sure about the restrictions in developing our own players, but I am assuming the our new VFLW license will yield some results. Trading is going to be difficult, as we have few players others would want. Trading Harris or Vescio would doom us for at least another 2 years and leave our forward line even less effective than it is at the moment.
[3] Change our fitness levels: At the moment the training regimes for most clubs are pretty similar. They are predicated on training starting at a set time and not over-pushing the 1st generation of semi-professional players. In time the fitness regimes are supposed to approach those of the men, as the season lengthens and fees are charged for games.
However, that does not mean that we cannot get ahead of the relative fitness curve. It is going to take effort and planning, but there is more upside to it, as the women are starting from a lower base.
[4] Change our skills: Skills are slowly improving, but if we spend more time on these out of season, again, we could get in front of the curve and lead. We need to. Our present skill base is poor and effects the game plan on every single possession.
[5] Get someone like Silvagni to manage the list: this speaks for itself. The right talent identification before the rest can pounce would improve most of the areas we are weak in at the present.
[6] Change the coaching staff: Not sure yet that this is the best option. We do have great spirit, but we need to find the right combination. To add some people from the men's side of things would not hurt: they have higher expectations.
The structure the AFL require is a minor irritation: it simply cannot be enforced outside the centre taps. I simply wouldn't be worrying that much about it. If we set up the way we want it when we have confidence in ourselves, then it simply won't be an issue. Getting us to the right position where we regain our confidence is the task.
Girls must start 5, 6, 5 before the ball is bounced. (backs/mids/forwards)
New directive to stop flooding back.
Only happens at centre bounces.
Thanks for explaining.
Nice summary, Capt CRASH. Re game plan, I should further explain what I mean. Yes, at the moment we don't have the personnel to deliver the game plan but I wonder if we ever did. When a game plan doesn't match your personnel you're in strife. An important coaching skill, to match the game plan and personnel to get the best possible result. Perhaps our game plan does need a tweek.
Plus, the over emphasis on defense can be a real trap, ie when it's time to attack and score the players can be a little at sixes and sevens and that is one of the things we're seeing at present. We had virtually the same inside 50s as the Dishlickers but were a rabble up forward (sound familiar?)... delivery was rushed and we were missing some real targets up forward, which sure doesn't help...
Was the game on fta down south ?
Nice summary, Capt CRASH. Re game plan, I should further explain what I mean. Yes, at the moment we don't have the personnel to deliver the game plan but I wonder if we ever did. When a game plan doesn't match your personnel you're in strife. An important coaching skill, to match the game plan and personnel to get the best possible result. Perhaps our game plan does need a tweek.
Plus, the over emphasis on defense can be a real trap, ie when it's time to attack and score the players can be a little at sixes and sevens and that is one of the things we're seeing at present. We had virtually the same inside 50s as the Dishlickers but were a rabble up forward (sound familiar?)... delivery was rushed and we were missing some real targets up forward, which sure doesn't help...
Too much emphasis on defence when you take into account that kicking distance and skills make it alot harder to get the ball forward and score. Just not the game style to play in the AFLW. When you have two of the very best forwards in the game it's obvious you'd attack more.
Yes, at the moment we don't have the personnel to deliver the game plan but I wonder if we ever did. When a game plan doesn't match your personnel you're in strife. An important coaching skill, to match the game plan and personnel to get the best possible result. Perhaps our game plan does need a tweek.
Plus, the over emphasis on defense can be a real trap, ie when it's time to attack and score the players can be a little at sixes and sevens and that is one of the things we're seeing at present. We had virtually the same inside 50s as the Dishlickers but were a rabble up forward (sound familiar?)... delivery was rushed and we were missing some real targets up forward, which sure doesn't help...
Hard to argue.
Midfield, midfield, midfield......just like the boys' game, no point buying Plugger (or Tayla Harris) if your midfield can't get you the ball!!
I heard one of the female commentators state that we desperately need a running coach to bridge the gap between our players’ ability to cover the ground and that of other teams.
I only listened to the game on the wireless so I can’t judge the veracity of the comment, but the scoreboard suggests that it is close to the mark.
Blues the lowest scoring in the comp, averaging just shy of 21 points a game!
Yep, 3 goals a game.
http://www.afl.com.au/womens/matches/ladder (http://www.afl.com.au/womens/matches/ladder)
And a % of 55%. Lowest in the league by a county mile!!
great job Blues!!
Was the game on fta down south ?
No. That was probably a good thing.
No. That was probably a good thing.
I'd heard that the intention was to broadcast live but after the complaints about Carlton's low scoring and preferential treatment they pulled the pin!
Blues the lowest scoring in the comp, averaging just shy of 21 points a game!
Yep, 3 goals a game.
http://www.afl.com.au/womens/matches/ladder (http://www.afl.com.au/womens/matches/ladder)
And a % of 55%. Lowest in the league by a county mile!!
great job Blues!!
2 weeks ago we were on top of the ladder with a % of over 200.
Didn't see any comments from you then.
Injuries (and suspension) have killed us....and we will get some back this week, but come up against the premiers....so....don't expect too much.
2 weeks ago we were on top of the ladder with a % of over 200.
Didn't see any comments from you then.
Injuries (and suspension) have killed us....and we will get some back this week, but come up against the premiers....so....don't expect too much.
oh there were plenty of comments back then, mostly focused on the deplorable skills being displayed, including the scheisse disposal - remember you took me to task about expecting the girls to be able to kick the ball 25m..... ::) ??? ;)
% is going to swing wildly in AFLW. Generally lower scores, so even slightly larger win/loss will have a big effect. If a team wins 20-10, they have a % of 200. The next week they lose 10-25, it goes to 86%, even though there is only a 5 point differential overall. When there is a smashing like we got, of course the % is going to reflect that.