NORTHERN BLUES v. WILLIAMSTOWN
Round 2 - 22/04/2017
02:40
Preston City Oval
Northern Blues
B: 4. S. Russell, 26. A. Silvagni, 51. B. Smedts
HB: 49. D. Armfield, 34. J. Glass-McCasker, 13. C. O'Shea
C: 7. D. Buckley, 8. L. Russell, 62. B. Boekhorst
HF: 32. N. Graham, 48. K. Jaksch, 1. T. Wilson
F: 31. P. Kerr, 14. L. Jones, 56. A. Gallucci
R: 19. H. McKay, 72. S. Kerridge, 60. D. Cuningham
Int: 21. C. Barrett, 6. G. Strachan, 3. K. Declase, 22. C. McCabe, 12. Z. Ballard, 25. K. Keppel, 30. S. Bolger, 20. D. Stevens
23P: 35. M. Stavrou
In: K. Declase, Z. Ballard, S. Russell, S. Kerridge, G. Strachan, S. Bolger, C. McCabe, K. Keppel, C. Barrett, D. Stevens
Out: C. Sheehan, A. Phillips, C. Polson, M. Korcheck, L. Sumner, Z. Fisher
I don't know if Sumner was dropped or is injured. He didn't see out last week. Korchek is a surprise. He wasn't that bad. Sheehan missing again is a disaster, as he was excellent last week.
This team is not as strong as last week's. :(
Williamstown
B: 7. N. Sing, 35. B. Myers, 19. D. Kempster
HB: 17. J. Charleston, 30. K. Gray, 18. J. Greiser
C: 14. A. Siposs, 16. B. Bewley,
HF: 3. S. Dunell, 13. A. Cordy, 6. M. Gibbons
F: 10. L. Masters, 33. T. Currie, 2. B. Cavarra
R: 49. N. Meese, 1. E. Carr, 24. W. Wheeler
Int: 26. J. Newman, 25. J. Pongracic, 5. L. Schultz, 31. D. Fahey, 9. A. Marcon, 4. B. Jolley, 44. J. Owen, 20. M. Norton, 11. J. Dorgan
23P: 37. N. Ebinger
In: L. Schultz, M. Norton, J. Pongracic, J. Owen
Willi look strong, but it would be nice to give them a blood nose.
NORTHERN BLUES v. WILLIAMSTOWN
Round 2 - 22/04/2017
11:30
Preston City Oval
Northern Blues
B: 3. K. Declase, 18. B. Jordan, 22. C. McCabe
HB: 75. J. Rafferty, 25. K. Keppel, 6. G. Strachan
C: 41. S. Glover, 20. D. Stevens, 57. F. Pearce
HF: 12. Z. Ballard, 17. S. Peet, 9. J. Corboy
F: 21. C. Barrett, 29. B. Casley, 52. S. Fowler
R: 30. S. Bolger, 11. T. Jones, 68. J. Mahon
Int: 39. A. Kur, 53. H. Payne, 79. J. Duscher, 28. J. Collins, 64. L. Collins, 71. D. Costanzo, 23. C. Adams, 78. M. Walson, 54. M. Romero, 44. W. Krithararis
In: L. Collins, A. Kur, J. Duscher, D. Costanzo, J. Rafferty, S. Bolger, T. Jones, W. Krithararis, C. Adams
Out: M. Blakey, S. Russell, A. Browne, A. Milham
Williamstown
B: 29. J. Burke, 45. L. Carter, 50. F. Carroll
HB: 34. L. McMahon, 42. B. Romensky, 47. L. Bramble
C: 20. M. Norton, 27. J. Chisari, 40. B. Monk
HF: 41. J. Minogue, 28. C. Buykx-Smith, 5. L. Schultz
F: 36. T. Davies, 46. J. Gray, 44. J. Owen
R: 43. J. Eales, 25. J. Pongracic, 12. C. Yeo
Int: 48. T. Wilkinson, 53. L. Goetz, 51. M. Philpot, 59. H. Bult, 39. L. Knight
In: T. Wilkinson, M. Philpot
Out: T. Condon, D. Maguang
Sumner is out for three weeks with a hamstring.
Harry Mac to ruck with no Phillips, Gorringe or Korcheck as back up ??
I'm not sure I like that idea.
Does not look like the idea of Jones in the backline is being pursued unless he swaps around with JGM?
Does not look like the idea of Jones in the backline is being pursued unless he swaps around with JGM?
Jones will have to be used in the ruck.
Jones will have to be used in the ruck.
True. I'd temporarily forgotten Phillips won't be there.
Our lack of ruckmen is very much to the fore. Nick Meese isn't the greatest ruckman going around, but we don't have a bona fides ruckman to compete against him.
Our lack of ruckmen is very much to the fore. Nick Meese isn't the greatest ruckman going around, but we don't have a bona fides ruckman to compete against him.
What's happened to Auricchio?
What's happened to Auricchio?
He moved to Sydney and is playing in the Sydney competition.
He moved to Sydney and is playing in the Sydney competition.
Damn!
He would have been handy this week.
Does your CFC membership give you entry to the NB games?
McKay showing that mobility, contests on the arc then crumbs on the goal line!
McKay showing that mobility, contests on the arc then crumbs on the goal line!
Yes, done alright in the first qtr.
Has 2 goals now?
EDIT: Now has 3!
CFC and NB kicking skills inside 50 is awful!
McKay progressing nicely, but not ready. Cunningham almost ready for a recall. No one saying 'pick me' based on their disposal efficiency. Jones seems more involved in the ruck. Silvagni is there if required. Denis won't see another firsts game.
CFC and NB kicking skills inside 50 is awful!
Buckley and Boekhorst are doing well but using it not too well, especially Buckley.
Half time..NB's just in front...
Smedts..more composed than anyone else and easily our best IMO. great pass under pressure on his left to Cunningham for a goal.
Mckay best forward on ground with three goals and looks AFL ready...
Boekhorst...been terrible...
Armfield...nope...hardly seen
Jones..competing well in the ruck and doing his bit around the ground..
Graham, some good stuff but still look short of AFL level, too many errors along with the good things he does...
Buckley....see Graham...
Silvagni...been steady down back and one of our best..
Kerridge...won some footy but not impressive..
Jaksch...some good stuff in the 2nd quarter but always looks like he could go harder..
JGM...some good but his foot skills are poor....
Gallucci...nope, back at Willy next season...
Kerr..impressive at times could have finished his work better but is promising...
Cunningham...getting close to a senior game, has pace but needs polish on his finishing...
Half time..NB's just in front...
Smedts..more composed than anyone else and easily our best IMO. great pass under pressure on his left to Cunningham for a goal.
Mckay best forward on ground with three goals and looks AFL ready...
Boekhorst...been terrible...
Armfield...nope...hardly seen
Jones..competing well in the ruck and doing his bit around the ground..
Graham, some good stuff but still look short of AFL level, too many errors along with the good things he does...
Buckley....see Graham...
Silvagni...been steady down back and one of our best..
Kerridge...won some footy but not impressive..
Jaksch...some good stuff in the 2nd quarter but always looks like he could go harder..
JGM...some good but his foot skills are poor....
Gallucci...nope, back at Willy next season...
Kerr..impressive at times could have finished his work better but is promising...
Cunningham...getting close to a senior game, has pace but needs polish on his finishing...
Actually Boekhorst has played pretty well, just not using it as well as he should.
Jones seems suited running around on the ball. suppose he'll always give you something around the ground as he'll always compete.
THe way we deliver into the forward line, McKay would be smashed. Looks good one out on the lead, but not in the ball park when it gets crowded and strength is needed. Intro him later in the year, but only as a cameo. Give him another preseason to build strength and confidence. I'd give Jones one more go as a forward / ruck man.
Actually Boekhorst has played pretty well, just not using it as well as he should.
Sorry Jim..cant agree on Boekhorst....
Kerr looking impressive and I reckon Harry might be playing vs the Swans...
NBs playing very well indeed.
Sorry Jim..cant agree on Boekhorst....
Kerr looking impressive and I reckon Harry might be playing vs the Swans...
Good to hear that Kerr is doing well. He looked OK at times against Richmond in the practice match but just got a little lost at times.
It looks like SOS may have nailed the last draft.
Jasksch has been ok without being great, Kerr is having decent game, has good vision and smarts, shows some real promise, and McKay is playing his way into the seniors although no sure that's a good thing given our forward line delivery.
Sorry Jim..cant agree on Boekhorst....
Kerr looking impressive and I reckon Harry might be playing vs the Swans...
No problem with Boekhorst's game but his disposal.
Jones has toiled away gallantly in the ruck.
If you want to get excited...Kerr and Mckay....the former has been very good today....Graham improved after half time and Jims mate Blaine has also done better ;)
If you want to get excited...Kerr and Mckay....the former has been very good today....Graham improved after half time and Jims mate Blaine has also done better ;)
Seen the future today with McKay, Kerr plus Cunningham has played pretty well too.
We may have nailed our last two drafts nicely.
Goal to Blaine..lol.
Patrick Kerr could be ours Jack Darling.
This is actually enjoyable to watch after last nights disaster!
Campbell Brown commentating keeps Talking up Jones about how good he's been and how the stats won't reflect that
Some very good signs for us here!
Patrick Kerr could be ours Jack Darling.
Agree...he is very impressive, good size but is mobile and for a bigger player he has some vision and smarts....
Alex Silvagni has been very good......you could make a case for him to be upgraded and played to provide some leadership down back.
Liam Jones.....give the bloke credit, gives you effort all the time....rucks like the old follower and is good in clearances, might be some chance to get back in the seniors
if Bolton sticks to his word about picking the team on merit and form...
Agree...he is very impressive, good size but is mobile and for a bigger player he has some vision and smarts....
Alex Silvagni has been very good......you could make a case for him to be upgraded and played to provide some leadership down back.
Liam Jones.....give the bloke credit, gives you effort all the time....rucks like the old follower and is good in clearances, might be some chance to get back in the seniors
if Bolton sticks to his word about picking the team on merit and form...
Big changes for the seniors next week?
One thing that has not gone unnoticed to me was the defensive effort today by the NBs. Solid as a rock led by Oshea and Silvagni. The mids and fwds have also been very good, I wonder if they get confidence from the efforts of the defenders. That is, they focus on their roles because their defenders arent under siege.
101-80. Nice effort. Well done boys.
I thought Graham, Jones, Cunningham and Silvagni were our best.
Silvagni just does stuff right, it's a pity he seems out of calculations.
I thought Graham, Jones, Cunningham and Silvagni were our best.
Silvagni just does stuff right, it's a pity he seems out of calculations.
H and KJ worked hard, KJ most of the game, H was very good early.
H and KJ worked hard, KJ most of the game, H was very good early.
Just think KJ's cards have been marked...dont think the coach is a fan....he did some good things today but not enough IMO....
Big knock on Kerr was a perceived lack of mobility, seen as a one position player. Nice to see his ability is more than that.
Big knock on Kerr was a perceived lack of mobility, seen as a one position player. Nice to see his ability is more than that.
Yep...he is mobile and has footy smarts, the pass to OShea when he ran into the goal square was really good....make an ideal FF when he puts on some more size and experience.
Kicks it a mile and knows how to lead for the ball..
Him and McKay at CHF will finally give us a real forward line setup you can build a team around....
Yep...he is mobile and has footy smarts, the pass to OShea when he ran into the goal square was really good....make an ideal FF when he puts on some more size and experience.
Kicks it a mile and knows how to lead for the ball..
Him and McKay at CHF will finally give us a real forward line setup you can build a team around....
Yes, it seems like we have nailed the last two drafts.
Yep...he is mobile and has footy smarts, the pass to OShea when he ran into the goal square was really good....make an ideal FF when he puts on some more size and experience.
Kicks it a mile and knows how to lead for the ball..
Him and McKay at CHF will finally give us a real forward line setup you can build a team around....
Alot of us are getting too old and too tired of waiting though EB ;)
Alot of us are getting too old and too tired of waiting though EB ;)
You and me both BP..and Jimbo too ;) but we keep on keeping on because we love our footy and our club and there is always next week... :)
Must say today's game gave me a bit of cheer. Even my Staffie smiled. :)
You and me both BP..and Jimbo too ;) but we keep on keeping on because we love our footy and our club and there is always next week... :)
Yes, especially as I hit 60 soon..lol.
Yes, especially as I hit 60 soon..lol.
I'll be joining you in 2-3 years time....we are mature posters Jim in every sense of the word.... ;) 8)
Must say today's game gave me a bit of cheer. Even my Staffie smiled. :)
It was a good game wasn't it - and they always looked in control, something we don't see very often in the CFC any more
I'll be joining you in 2-3 years time....we are mature posters Jim in every sense of the word.... ;) 8)
Haha...definitely, although like a few years less..lol.
No mention of Bilie Smedts that I can see, I thought he was very very good off half back, quality possessions, very skilful and precise????
Yes, especially as I hit 60 soon..lol.
Young whippersnappers!
Good win, Willy have owned us for a while.
Congratulations to NB's
Sounds like there's some real development in the youngsters, H and Kerr.
Great to see Jones still giving his all. I'd like to see him get a final look in the ones. Might be needed to help our rucks.
What's the quality of the opposition?
AFL Vic Development League 2017
Northern Blues 0.2 2.10 6.13 8.18 (66)
Williamstown 4.3 7.6 11.7 13.9 (87)
GOALS:
Northern Blues: Payne 2 Jones 2 Collins Fowler Romero Ballard
Williamstown: Wilkinson 3 Schultz 2 Davies 2 Monk 2 Norton Yeo Goetz Owen
BEST:
Northern Blues: Jones Declase Jordan Keppel Glover Ballard
Williamstown: Schultz Romensky Yeo Norton Minogue Pongracic
This is a damn good effort, considering there were so few ruck options. Excellent to see Tim Jones return from injury.
Peter Jackson VFL 2017
Northern Blues 4.6 6.8 12.13 14.17 (101)
Williamstown 2.2 5.7 7.11 11.14 (80)
GOALS:
Northern Blues: McKay 3 Jaksch 2 Kerridge Russell Boekhorst Cuningham O'Shea Strachan Kerr Graham Stevens
Williamstown: Marcon 2 Cordy 2 Siposs 2 Ebinger Cavarra Currie Masters Wheeler
BEST:
Northern Blues: Jones Silvagni Kerridge Cuningham Graham Russell
Williamstown: Marcon Greiser Gibbons Fahey Cavarra Siposs
Considering hw poor we have been against Willi in recent times, this was an excellent result. Most of the Carlton listed players made a good contribution while the VFL boys showed that they will offer us a lot more than has been the case in recent years.
Considering that we did not have a top line ruckman, we did a brilliant job. Jones, especially, was excellent with his competitiveness and aggression.
My view on today's game:
Carlton listed players:
Billie Smedts: His best game yet in our colours. He was good last week, but his defensive work, his run and carry and his pressure really made him stand out. I would not be surprised if he is line for promotion next week. And I hope we play him in defence, as we did today.
I have not been over-impressed with his disposal, but today it was much improved. His hands and pace were excellent.
Alex Silvagni: I was not a fan of signing this guy: I thought he was past it. He has changed my opinion. He was excellent again, for the 2nd week in a row and his opponents didn’t get a sniff. His run and his football brain were noticeable.
Dennis Armfield: Dennis was very quiet early. He had very few possessions in the 1st half. However, he improved a lot after half time and got more of the ball. That said, his form did not warrant senior selection. However, his on-field leadership was excellent. His presence on the field, with guys like Silvagni, O’Shea and Russell, really gave stability to our youngsters. Even if he does not play any more senior football, he will be worth his contract in his present role.
Jesse Glass-McCasker: With the lack of rucks this week, a number of players had to revert to their ‘standard roles’. Glass-McCasker was definitely one of those: he was required in defence as Jones could not play there. However, he had a decent game in defence and was in the play more than he has been. I would still like to have him play forward, but that is another issue.
Unfortunately, it appears that he has bone damage to his face. He may miss a number of weeks.
Dylan Buckley: Buckley ruined an excellent game with 3 terrible turnovers. His pace and run from defence was excellent, as the Willi smalls struggled on him. That sort of form will get him in the thoughts of the match committee, as he was much more consistent, but his disposal will be the issue. This was one of very few 4 quarter efforts that Buckley has produced.
Blaine Boekhorst: Boekhorst was ordinary early in the game, but as it wore on, he got more and more into it and he started to make less mistakes and produce the sort of football we require. I don’t think he did enough to get a promotion, but he was much better.
Kristian Jaksch: He actually worked reasonably well today, but things did not fall his way. He took a couple of nice marks and competed well. I would like to have seen him in defence. If he can produce that sort of workrate he might get somewhere other than delisted.
Nick Graham: Improved as the game went on. He is a star at this level. His tackling was excellent and his disposal much better than it can be. In the end he had more of the ball than anyone else on the ground.
Patrick Kerr: Improving every week at this point. He took more marks and competed well, and made some excellent decisions that lead to goals. He has produced football much different to mark and kick style of last year. His kicking depth was excellent and field kicking very good. He needs to work on his endurance. But he does look like he could be useful.
Liam Jones: Jones’ stats may not look that impressive, but his effort in the ruck was the difference between winning and losing. He minimized the influence of the Willi ruckmen and showed aggression, persistence and endeavour that would not have been believed in his first season with us. Even his kicking was more effective.
I would like to see him defence, but we had few options today. I have no idea how many tackles he had today, but it would have been a lot.
Andrew Gallucci: Didn’t have a great day and struggled to have an influence. Better later in the game, but he only had 2 possessions in the first half.
Harry McKay: He isn’t ready yet. He runs out of juice far too easily. He can barely play more than a quarter. However, he showed some great signs and really hurt Willi early. He took some great marks and was a great target. Unfortunately his stamina is just not there yet.
Sam Kerridge: Wasn’t bad, but was not as effective this week. As the game went on Kerridge got more into it. He didn’t fumble much today, which is an improvement.
David Cuningham: Probably his best game so far. He got huge numbers early and managed to get a LOT of clearances. His kicking was excellent, but his burst of speed from the middle stood out. Pity his kicking at goal was ordinary. He dropped out of the game somewhat, but he still got close to 30 possessions.
Something interesting from Coopps on BigFooty.
"I was standing next to our bench, directly behind the guy keeping track of the GPS data on a laptop. I could read all the stats, and can tell you that at 3/4 time Harry was 2nd for total amount of ground covered. He was up over 10km, with guys like Buckley and Boekhorst just below 8. I was watching him closely, and he doesn't stop moving. Don't worry about the tank!"
Something interesting from Coopps on BigFooty.
"I was standing next to our bench, directly behind the guy keeping track of the GPS data on a laptop. I could read all the stats, and can tell you that at 3/4 time Harry was 2nd for total amount of ground covered. He was up over 10km, with guys like Buckley and Boekhorst just below 8. I was watching him closely, and he doesn't stop moving. Don't worry about the tank!"
Interesting intel. Thanks for posting.
Young whippersnappers!
Pleased to see someone older on here...lol.
My view on today's game:
Carlton listed players:
Billie Smedts: His best game yet in our colours. He was good last week, but his defensive work, his run and carry and his pressure really made him stand out. I would not be surprised if he is line for promotion next week. And I hope we play him in defence, as we did today.
I have not been over-impressed with his disposal, but today it was much improved. His hands and pace were excellent.
Alex Silvagni: I was not a fan of signing this guy: I thought he was past it. He has changed my opinion. He was excellent again, for the 2nd week in a row and his opponents didn’t get a sniff. His run and his football brain were noticeable.
Dennis Armfield: Dennis was very quiet early. He had very few possessions in the 1st half. However, he improved a lot after half time and got more of the ball. That said, his form did not warrant senior selection. However, his on-field leadership was excellent. His presence on the field, with guys like Silvagni, O’Shea and Russell, really gave stability to our youngsters. Even if he does not play any more senior football, he will be worth his contract in his present role.
Jesse Glass-McCasker: With the lack of rucks this week, a number of players had to revert to their ‘standard roles’. Glass-McCasker was definitely one of those: he was required in defence as Jones could not play there. However, he had a decent game in defence and was in the play more than he has been. I would still like to have him play forward, but that is another issue.
Unfortunately, it appears that he has bone damage to his face. He may miss a number of weeks.
Dylan Buckley: Buckley ruined an excellent game with 3 terrible turnovers. His pace and run from defence was excellent, as the Willi smalls struggled on him. That sort of form will get him in the thoughts of the match committee, as he was much more consistent, but his disposal will be the issue. This was one of very few 4 quarter efforts that Buckley has produced.
Blaine Boekhorst: Boekhorst was ordinary early in the game, but as it wore on, he got more and more into it and he started to make less mistakes and produce the sort of football we require. I don’t think he did enough to get a promotion, but he was much better.
Kristian Jaksch: He actually worked reasonably well today, but things did not fall his way. He took a couple of nice marks and competed well. I would like to have seen him in defence. If he can produce that sort of workrate he might get somewhere other than delisted.
Nick Graham: Improved as the game went on. He is a star at this level. His tackling was excellent and his disposal much better than it can be. In the end he had more of the ball than anyone else on the ground.
Patrick Kerr: Improving every week at this point. He took more marks and competed well, and made some excellent decisions that lead to goals. He has produced football much different to mark and kick style of last year. His kicking depth was excellent and field kicking very good. He needs to work on his endurance. But he does look like he could be useful.
Liam Jones: Jones’ stats may not look that impressive, but his effort in the ruck was the difference between winning and losing. He minimized the influence of the Willi ruckmen and showed aggression, persistence and endeavour that would not have been believed in his first season with us. Even his kicking was more effective.
I would like to see him defence, but we had few options today. I have no idea how many tackles he had today, but it would have been a lot.
Andrew Gallucci: Didn’t have a great day and struggled to have an influence. Better later in the game, but he only had 2 possessions in the first half.
Harry McKay: He isn’t ready yet. He runs out of juice far too easily. He can barely play more than a quarter. However, he showed some great signs and really hurt Willi early. He took some great marks and was a great target. Unfortunately his stamina is just not there yet.
Sam Kerridge: Wasn’t bad, but was not as effective this week. As the game went on Kerridge got more into it. He didn’t fumble much today, which is an improvement.
David Cuningham: Probably his best game so far. He got huge numbers early and managed to get a LOT of clearances. His kicking was excellent, but his burst of speed from the middle stood out. Pity his kicking at goal was ordinary. He dropped out of the game somewhat, but he still got close to 30 possessions.
Agree with all of that...bit more kudos to Cuningham in that I thought he tackled well and was able to bring down bigger players...
Smedts is a smart footballer in terms of knowing his limitations, got caught once but generally doesnt stuff up and plays safe which can be good and bad as you need flair at times...
Silvagni may get a call up if we get another belting or if Bolton feels the heat and wants to limit the damage in games..
Kerr probably has a better allround game than Harry at the minute IMO....although Harry really can stick a mark and kick straight....Kerr has a bit more awareness IMO...
Pleased to see someone older on here...lol.
Does that make DJ more mature than us? ;)
Does that make DJ more mature than us? ;)
Yes, more mature-aged...lol!
My view on today's game:
Carlton listed players:
Billie Smedts: His best game yet in our colours. He was good last week, but his defensive work, his run and carry and his pressure really made him stand out. I would not be surprised if he is line for promotion next week. And I hope we play him in defence, as we did today.
I have not been over-impressed with his disposal, but today it was much improved. His hands and pace were excellent.
Alex Silvagni: I was not a fan of signing this guy: I thought he was past it. He has changed my opinion. He was excellent again, for the 2nd week in a row and his opponents didn’t get a sniff. His run and his football brain were noticeable.
Dennis Armfield: Dennis was very quiet early. He had very few possessions in the 1st half. However, he improved a lot after half time and got more of the ball. That said, his form did not warrant senior selection. However, his on-field leadership was excellent. His presence on the field, with guys like Silvagni, O’Shea and Russell, really gave stability to our youngsters. Even if he does not play any more senior football, he will be worth his contract in his present role.
Jesse Glass-McCasker: With the lack of rucks this week, a number of players had to revert to their ‘standard roles’. Glass-McCasker was definitely one of those: he was required in defence as Jones could not play there. However, he had a decent game in defence and was in the play more than he has been. I would still like to have him play forward, but that is another issue.
Unfortunately, it appears that he has bone damage to his face. He may miss a number of weeks.
Dylan Buckley: Buckley ruined an excellent game with 3 terrible turnovers. His pace and run from defence was excellent, as the Willi smalls struggled on him. That sort of form will get him in the thoughts of the match committee, as he was much more consistent, but his disposal will be the issue. This was one of very few 4 quarter efforts that Buckley has produced.
Blaine Boekhorst: Boekhorst was ordinary early in the game, but as it wore on, he got more and more into it and he started to make less mistakes and produce the sort of football we require. I don’t think he did enough to get a promotion, but he was much better.
Kristian Jaksch: He actually worked reasonably well today, but things did not fall his way. He took a couple of nice marks and competed well. I would like to have seen him in defence. If he can produce that sort of workrate he might get somewhere other than delisted.
Nick Graham: Improved as the game went on. He is a star at this level. His tackling was excellent and his disposal much better than it can be. In the end he had more of the ball than anyone else on the ground.
Patrick Kerr: Improving every week at this point. He took more marks and competed well, and made some excellent decisions that lead to goals. He has produced football much different to mark and kick style of last year. His kicking depth was excellent and field kicking very good. He needs to work on his endurance. But he does look like he could be useful.
Liam Jones: Jones’ stats may not look that impressive, but his effort in the ruck was the difference between winning and losing. He minimized the influence of the Willi ruckmen and showed aggression, persistence and endeavour that would not have been believed in his first season with us. Even his kicking was more effective.
I would like to see him defence, but we had few options today. I have no idea how many tackles he had today, but it would have been a lot.
Andrew Gallucci: Didn’t have a great day and struggled to have an influence. Better later in the game, but he only had 2 possessions in the first half.
Harry McKay: He isn’t ready yet. He runs out of juice far too easily. He can barely play more than a quarter. However, he showed some great signs and really hurt Willi early. He took some great marks and was a great target. Unfortunately his stamina is just not there yet.
Sam Kerridge: Wasn’t bad, but was not as effective this week. As the game went on Kerridge got more into it. He didn’t fumble much today, which is an improvement.
David Cuningham: Probably his best game so far. He got huge numbers early and managed to get a LOT of clearances. His kicking was excellent, but his burst of speed from the middle stood out. Pity his kicking at goal was ordinary. He dropped out of the game somewhat, but he still got close to 30 possessions.
Just on Harry McKay, he had 10km up on the GPS by 3/4 time. Doesn't lack a tank.
Not sure who Smedts will replace but definitely not one of the kids - but perhaps there is merit he should play to offer some support.
McKay was really good - needs another game or two but attacks the ball and runs all day. It will come together for him soon if he keeps doing what he is doing
Graham consistently in the bests deserves a solid four weeks in firsts
COS - great recruitment to protect the defence, same with O'Shea
Love Army but he spudded
JGM - good kid but time is running out as not improving much from last year
Bucks - plenty of run and drive if we get an injury from Simmo or Doc he could step right in
Boekhorst - papers stamped I reckon wont get a game
JK - can do better than that and needs a miracle to stay on the list
Paddy Kerr - solid game, we have not had a tall intelligent lead up forward I don't think ever.. will add an interesting dynamic to the forward line. Will get a game this year
Cunningam- power play exactly what we need just needs to be consistent now
Carlton listed players:
Billie Smedts: His best game yet in our colours. He was good last week, but his defensive work, his run and carry and his pressure really made him stand out. I would not be surprised if he is line for promotion next week. Agreed
Alex Silvagni: He was excellent again, for the 2nd week in a row and his opponents didn’t get a sniff. His run and his football brain were noticeable. Agreed
Dennis Armfield: his form did not warrant senior selection. However, his on-field leadership was excellent. His presence on the field, with guys like Silvagni, O’Shea and Russell, really gave stability to our youngsters. Even if he does not play any more senior football, he will be worth his contract in his present role. Agreed
Jesse Glass-McCasker: he had a decent game in defence and was in the play more than he has been. Agreed
Dylan Buckley: This was one of very few 4 quarter efforts that Buckley has produced. The seniors need an effective small defender so it's probably now or never
Blaine Boekhorst: I don’t think he did enough to get a promotion, but he was much better. Looked more committed to the contest than I have seen before - or was that just the haircut speaking?
Kristian Jaksch: He actually worked reasonably well today, I must have dozed off
Nick Graham: He is a star at this level. His tackling was excellent and his disposal much better than it can be. In the end he had more of the ball than anyone else on the ground. Not so sure about being a star but he is definitely one of the better players at VFL level
Patrick Kerr: Improving every week at this point. He took more marks and competed well, and made some excellent decisions that lead to goals. He has produced football much different to mark and kick style of last year. His kicking depth was excellent and field kicking very good. He needs to work on his endurance. But he does look like he could be useful. Agreed but probably not this year
Liam Jones: his effort in the ruck was the difference between winning and losing. He minimized the influence of the Willi ruckmen and showed aggression, persistence and endeavour that would not have been believed in his first season with us. Agreed but, good though he has been, it should be noted that Nick Meese is an undersized ruckman Even his kicking was more effective.
I would like to see him defence Agreed I have no idea how many tackles he had today, but it would have been a lot. I don't think we can question his intensity or willingness to compete - I would be happy to see him get another run in the AFL
Andrew Gallucci: Didn’t have a great day and struggled to have an influence. Agreed
Harry McKay: he showed some great signs but the commentator was painful in his repetitive calls for him to be promoted immediately to the AFL
Sam Kerridge: Wasn’t bad, but was not as effective this week. As the game went on Kerridge got more into it. He didn’t fumble much today, which is an improvement. Agreed
David Cuningham: Probably his best game so far. He got huge numbers early and managed to get a LOT of clearances. His kicking was excellent, but his burst of speed from the middle stood out. Pity his kicking at goal was ordinary. He dropped out of the game somewhat, but he still got close to 30 possessions. Got lots of the ball in the first and last quarter but his kicking skills were far below what I have seen from him before
Pretty much right on, as usual, Crash
Buckley is a No from me as a small defender, kicking skills under pressure are not good and either is his decision making, plus with the new age small forward being very competent in the air that also isnt a strength of Buckley who is easily outbodied.
Gallucci wont make it IMO......not enough tricks for a small player IMO...handy VFL type at best...LeBois is a better prospect and we need to look at Liam Ryan from Subiaco, not sure why the latter wasnt drafted given his X factor...
Buckley is a No from me as a small defender, kicking skills under pressure are not good and either is his decision making, plus with the new age small forward being very competent in the air that also isnt a strength of Buckley who is easily outbodied.
Gallucci wont make it IMO......not enough tricks for a small player IMO...handy VFL type at best...LeBois is a better prospect and we need to look at Liam Ryan from Subiaco, not sure why the latter wasnt drafted given his X factor...
Buckley was at his best last year breaking lines through the midfield then hitting the long goal on the run. Kicked well at goals, not so well to people. Has ability but not consistent.
As for the VFL listed players:
Sam Russell: I didn’t see a lot of Sam this week. He is the brother of former rookie Fraser Russell and hasn’t had the injury woes that made his brother retire. He often gets the small defender role and he is steady rather than spectacular. That was pretty much how he was yesterday; he didn’t make a lot of mistakes and he kept his opponents in check, but he didn’t get huge possessions either.
Cameron O’Shea: An excellent pick-up to this point. Unlike Russell, O’Shea does know when to zone off and get a kick, He has fit in nicely to the team and has added more pace and more stability to our defence (as has Alex Sivagni), Making his opponent be more accountable for him has worked pretty well for him so far.
Luke Russell: Like O’Shea, Russell has been a good acquisition so far. I don’t think he has played as well as O’Shea as yet, but his presence in the middle shows that having a few Carlton boys missing does not reduce the pace and effectiveness of our midfield.
Glenn Strachan: Strachan has been a survivor at the NB’s. Most of the guys who started with him since he transferred from Collingwood have gone, He will remain for a while yet, as his kicking and marking are good.
Who was no 16 ??
Who was no 16 ??
There was no 16
http://websites.sportstg.com/round_info.cgi?c=1-118-0-436949-0&pool=1&fixture=124787032&a=SELECT
Who was no 16 ??
No 16 was Marcus Stavrou. He looked pretty good.
Watching at the game, he looked quite reliable.
No 16 was Marcus Stavrou. He looked pretty good.
Damn youre right, I should have realised he wasnt on the link I posted. Stavrou is good kid, a mate of mine knows him and his family well.
Anyway, I didn't finish: I had to take daughter out before I was done. Let's see if I finish this time?
Dyson Stevens: Dyson has been with us for a while, but he hasn’t played many senior games. He appears to have made some real improvements since last year. He played a good game and should get a lot more senior games this year. His run and kicking from the midfield were impressive.
Cameron Barrett: Another young lad who appears to have stepped up. Not as many possessions as Stevens, but he had a very tidy game.
Sean Bolger: Bolger is a mobile big man who generally rucks in the Development team. He was severely outsized by Nick Meese, who is big and strong. He did his best; he relieved Liam Jones in the ruck. However, I can’t see him getting a lot of games as a ruckman.
There is a big lad who might have played, Angus Milhan, who has played at a couple of other VFL clubs. He is another huge lad about 208 cm, but he was injured and couldn’t play. (We don’t have a ruckman to bless ourselves with.)
Marcus Stavrou: Marcus wore 16 this week and last week, which is a bit confusing. He was named 23rd man, but has impressed with his games so far. He is excellent overhead and did a fine job until one of the Willi boys tried to rearrange his head.
He has impressed every time he can gone out so far and is apparently highly regarded in both the Preston and Carlton side of things. He could well pay himself onto an AFLlist.
As for the VFL listed players:
Sam Russell: I didn’t see a lot of Sam this week. He is the brother of former rookie Fraser Russell and hasn’t had the injury woes that made his brother retire. He often gets the small defender role and he is steady rather than spectacular. That was pretty much how he was yesterday; he didn’t make a lot of mistakes and he kept his opponents in check, but he didn’t get huge possessions either.
Cameron O’Shea: An excellent pick-up to this point. Unlike Russell, O’Shea does know when to zone off and get a kick, He has fit in nicely to the team and has added more pace and more stability to our defence (as has Alex Sivagni), Making his opponent be more accountable for him has worked pretty well for him so far.
Luke Russell: Like O’Shea, Russell has been a good acquisition so far. I don’t think he has played as well as O’Shea as yet, but his presence in the middle shows that having a few Carlton boys missing does not reduce the pace and effectiveness of our midfield.
Glenn Strachan: Strachan has been a survivor at the NB’s. Most of the guys who started with him since he transferred from Collingwood have gone, He will remain for a while yet, as his kicking and marking are good.
OShea is impressive as he has an attacking side to his game and is a decent size player as well who can play a few positions....he may well work his way into rookie contention next draft if he keeps his form up.
Was dropped of the Port list because of his disposal but so far I have seen no evidence of poor kicking /decision making...
Stavrou is a fav of SOS who wanted him at the NB's and would be right in the frame for a rookie spot next draft given his form, very strong overhead for a player his size and seems to use the ball ok...
no Sumner? or Lamb?
no Sumner? or Lamb?
Sumner sustained a
knee hammy injury last week and will miss a few, Lamb has had a knee for a few weeks now and is still out.
no Sumner? or Lamb?
Indeed. Nor is there Gussy Sheahan, who had an ice pack on his quad at the end of last week's game.
Gorringe is the suspect one, his return is as yet undetermined.
Korchek missed this week, but is a good chance to be back next weekend.
This win reinforces that the club is on the right track because the NB's were a bloody rabble under Webster. We seem to have improved our recruiting, and an improved set up at the NB's may address the development issues... all recent successful sides have also been very strong at VFL level.
This win reinforces that the club is on the right track because the NB's were a bloody rabble under Webster. We seem to have improved our recruiting, and an improved set up at the NB's may address the development issues... all recent successful sides have also been very strong at VFL level.
Not full of old blokes like Kerridge, Graham, Palmer, Jones and Jaksch though. Those other sides had success with VFL teams that were full of talented kids who got sorted out at VFL level then promoted to the AFL.
Something interesting from Coopps on BigFooty.
"I was standing next to our bench, directly behind the guy keeping track of the GPS data on a laptop. I could read all the stats, and can tell you that at 3/4 time Harry was 2nd for total amount of ground covered. He was up over 10km, with guys like Buckley and Boekhorst just below 8. I was watching him closely, and he doesn't stop moving. Don't worry about the tank!"
I agree completely. His tank and work rate seem like things to not be worried about. Very good work rate IMO. KJ and others could take note of that. I like that Jones' work rate is big, huge actually, and young Pat Kerr seems to have a healthy appetite for hard work and work rate also.
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Good to see Liam Jones recognised, and I agree about Silvagni being 2nd.
I probably would have had Graham and Cunningham ahead of Kerridge, but it's close enough not to argue about. Boekhorst might have deserved a vote as well.
Good to see Liam Jones recognised, and I agree about Silvagni being 2nd.
I probably would have had Graham and Cunningham ahead of Kerridge, but it's close enough not to argue about. Boekhorst might have deserved a vote as well.
Totally agree. You can't fault Liam's attitude. I thought Smedts deserved a mention, did some very good work and was hard at it when things were tough.
Totally agree. You can't fault Liam's attitude. I thought Smedts deserved a mention, did some very good work and was hard at it when things were tough.
Smedts was one our best IMO, only stuffed up once and that left foot pass under pressure to the goal square was a ripper.....preferred his game to Kerridge, and Boekhorst shouldnt play senior footy again...
Liked Cuningham's game...tackled well and look more interested in winning the footy at the coalface....big improvement from last time I watched him and I reckon that kid is learning
and getting the message that to playat senior level you need to win your own footy, plus chase and tackle your man,...one way footballers wont be playing senior footy under Bolton...
Dylan Buckley might make a good rookie next season....trying hard but his decision making isnt great and for a small defender which seems to be his last chance to make it you need players who dont panic in traffic and that aint Dylan.
I agree completely. His tank and work rate seem like things to not be worried about. Very good work rate IMO. KJ and others could take note of that. I like that Jones' work rate is big, huge actually, and young Pat Kerr seems to have a healthy appetite for hard work and work rate also.
i just hope that some of these guys - Jones, Smedts, Palmer, Graham, Boekhurst and Kerridge - get promoted to the 1s if their consistent form warrants it and they are not overlooked merely because of the 'youth' policy.
Seems to me that Jones and Smedts, in particular, should play this week. Cuningham too, for Fisher or Polson.
Jones did impress and deserves senior consideration but who would make way for him?
Jones did impress and deserves senior consideration but who would make way for him?
perhaps Weitering if he's 'sore' or beaten up or whatever?
perhaps Weitering if he's 'sore' or beaten up or whatever?
I guess that's one of the few options. Of course Kreuz may not pull up?
If they are going to bring Jones in they need to do it off the back of a good performance.
To me Jones is like Casboult, a headspace player, if he has just one good game at AFL level he could go one to become anything.
We talking about Tom Jones?
http://m.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-04-26/vfl-player-review-round-2
Liam Jones.
He'll be an in next week. I reckon he'll replace Phillips.
http://m.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-04-26/vfl-player-review-round-2
Liam Jones.
He'll be an in next week. I reckon he'll replace Phillips.
::) Can already see the endless posts in the post match thread, after he does sweet FA.
Not part of our future, would only play him if we have n other options.
http://m.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-04-26/vfl-player-review-round-2
Liam Jones.
He'll be an in next week. I reckon he'll replace Phillips.
Ahead of Kruezer or Casboult?
Can't see it myself.
Ahead of Kruezer or Casboult?
Can't see it myself.
I suspect it won't be instead of Kreuzer or Casboult, but it may well mean one of the young guns gets a rest!
Ahead of Kruezer or Casboult?
Can't see it myself.
I know what you mean, but given we are a bit short on ruckmen, Levi is our only viable forward, our kids got belted last week, and then this is the comment about his game in the VFL from the coach:
Liam Jones
Stats: 10 disposals, 25 hitouts, 7 tackles, 5 inside 50s
From the coach: I thought he was our best player on the day, especially given we had a job to do on the VFL’s best ruckman in Nick Meese which he more than accomplished. He competed his socks off and his follow-up was like an on-baller.
I reckon you just have to reward the effort, particularly when he has been played as a tall defender, and can pinch hit up forward when Levi goes in the ruck.
Lets not forget, who we are playing against. Sydney have a lot of talls who we dont have good match ups for and Liam Jones has been tried in defense of late. If he is useless there, he can go into the ruck, and we can leave Rowe with Tippett.
Could Jones offer an option for Buddy? Can't see any of our bigger defenders being anywhere near fast or smart enough to cover him.
Could Jones offer an option for Buddy? Can't see any of our bigger defenders being anywhere near fast or smart enough to cover him.
Nice idea but jones doesn't strike me as a smart footballer. In fact I'd prefer to bring paul bower out of retirement instead of jones. ????
If jones does play (unlikely) I'd guarantee it wouldnt be on Franklin
Nice idea but jones doesn't strike me as a smart footballer. In fact I'd prefer to bring paul bower out of retirement instead of jones. ????
If jones does play (unlikely) I'd guarantee it wouldnt be on Franklin
A damming reflection on Jones being compared and seen inferior to Bower in terms of nous....nervous defender as a description didnt adequately cover Bower.
Jones has actually looked alright down back in the NB's and dare I say it ... looked reliable... :o
Nice idea but jones doesn't strike me as a smart footballer. In fact I'd prefer to bring paul bower out of retirement instead of jones. ????
jeffy has just shown how much he doesn't know about the game.
jeffy has just shown how much he doesn't know about the game.
Oh please! Clearly I was taking the p155. ????
If you think jones will play on franklin you've got rocks in your head. He may well come in but it won't be to play on their number 1 forward unless he runs on ball.
Oh please! Clearly I was taking the p155. ????
If you think jones will play on franklin you've got rocks in your head. He may well come in but it won't be to play on their number 1 forward unless he runs on ball.
I'm with you Jeffy.
Jones is not a senior footballer - as i thought we all knew he will serve his final year playing with the NB.....he will only be considered if we are decimated with injuries otherwise he will stay put. He has had 3 years (3 years too long)with us and produced SFA.
Any consideration for this hack to play on the most damaging forward in the last 10 years is comical.
I'm with you Jeffy.
Jones is not a senior footballer - as i thought we all knew he will serve his final year playing with the NB.....he will only be considered if we are decimated with injuries otherwise he will stay put. He has had 3 years (3 years too long)with us and produced SFA.
Any consideration for this hack to play on the most damaging forward in the last 10 years is comical.
Jones is a conundrum for mine, I haven't completely given up on him yet (I'm pretty close). At 198cm/98kg/26yo, there may be just the slightest chance it is a maturity thing. Its not like we have an over abundance of big KPs busting down the selection door. I would never have picked him to play the game he did vs Willi. Who's to say he cant come in and do special roles for us? He is incredibly resilient (injury wise) and does throw himself around at times, he needs to bring it every week though. Look he is probably done and dusted and our club but you never know.
Not arguing that he may deserve another (final) crack at it, however to throw him into the 1s onto Lance Franklin would not be fair on him.
I agree with other comments that he may come in for Weiters and give Kroozer a chop out in the ruck.
If they are on the list, then what is the point of retaining them if they are not going to get a game?
Why wouldnt you put Jones on Buddy to play a role, if the other talls are currently a bad matchup?
Why wouldnt you put Jones to pinch hit into the ruck, if Phillips can barely run around for a half, Kreuzer is still "sore" and you dont want to slaughter Harry Mckay so early into his career?
Because he has no future in the game?? Thats not the right reason to exclude anyone who is currently on our list. We may as well have paid the bloke out last season, parted ways with him, and then recruited a new player. We still might do this at the end of this year, but if he manages to reignite his AFL career, we might even find someone who wants to trade with us for his services, and whilst that might seem farfetched, Hawthorn went and picked up Ty Vickery. Its not impossible. We only stand to lose, by ignoring players putting their hand up for selection and then ignoring them. It sends the wrong message to all and sundry and only cuts off your nose to spite your face.
If they are on the list, and havent retired they should be viewed as a senior player irrespective of when they are getting games.
One thing I am quickly learning about our reset, is that our football club isn't the only thing that needs to change.
Hey Thry - good post, not sure if that post was directed at me?
Anyways, I'm all for giving Jones a go and agree 100% there is no point retaining players if there is no chance in them playing seniors.
My only point is we want to promote players to the seniors and give them every chance of success in the role - which i dont think with respect would be Jones on Franklin.
Ive got faith the coaches will make the right choice match-ups, just dont think jones would be first cab off the rank for franklin. Things would need to have gone seriously bad for that match up to occur IMO. Rowe and Marchbank would be better options.
If they are on the list, then what is the point of retaining them if they are not going to get a game?
Why wouldnt you put Jones on Buddy to play a role, if the other talls are currently a bad matchup?
Why wouldnt you put Jones to pinch hit into the ruck, if Phillips can barely run around for a half, Kreuzer is still "sore" and you dont want to slaughter Harry Mckay so early into his career?
Because he has no future in the game?? Thats not the right reason to exclude anyone who is currently on our list. We may as well have paid the bloke out last season, parted ways with him, and then recruited a new player. We still might do this at the end of this year, but if he manages to reignite his AFL career, we might even find someone who wants to trade with us for his services, and whilst that might seem farfetched, Hawthorn went and picked up Ty Vickery. Its not impossible. We only stand to lose, by ignoring players putting their hand up for selection and then ignoring them. It sends the wrong message to all and sundry and only cuts off your nose to spite your face.
If they are on the list, and havent retired they should be viewed as a senior player irrespective of when they are getting games.
One thing I am quickly learning about our reset, is that our football club isn't the only thing that needs to change.
I won't be giving up on Jones yet, his first few VFL games this year have shown a significant change, will that translate to AFL who knows?
I keep reminding myself he is only 26, and rumors now have him at 199cm tall and 102kg. The level of ground work he has done in the VFL in the first two games is Kreuzer like. That's worth something, worth persisting with for now anyway. I suspect coaches and selectors want to see that persist for more than just a game or two before he gets a run, because from my perspective based on that sort of effort he would have been better value than Phillips who gave us nothing at ground level.
I've argued often before, regarding Warnock, regarding Hampson, taps mean nothing for ruckmen if they don't come accompanied by marking, tackling, shepherds, blocks, positioning, intimidation and territory! Jones gave the NBs almost all that including a reasonable result on the tap work, last weekend Phillips was Warnock like and I find that more worrying than Jones' lack of clear tap work!
At the moment Jones has a touch of Setanta about him!
Fwiw, if Matthew Watson had shown the sort of commitment to work and change that Jones has, he'd probably still be around too!
I mentioned it in another thread this morning, I would be keen to see Jones play on Franklin.
Reckon as a key back, he could become something. I'd like to see us find out FWIW.
Philips was underdone, massively!
What one game back from a lengthy stint on the sidelines....probably shouldn't have been picked imo...
If they are on the list, then what is the point of retaining them if they are not going to get a game?
Why wouldnt you put Jones on Buddy to play a role, if the other talls are currently a bad matchup?
Why wouldnt you put Jones to pinch hit into the ruck, if Phillips can barely run around for a half, Kreuzer is still "sore" and you dont want to slaughter Harry Mckay so early into his career?
Because he has no future in the game?? Thats not the right reason to exclude anyone who is currently on our list. We may as well have paid the bloke out last season, parted ways with him, and then recruited a new player. We still might do this at the end of this year, but if he manages to reignite his AFL career, we might even find someone who wants to trade with us for his services, and whilst that might seem farfetched, Hawthorn went and picked up Ty Vickery. Its not impossible. We only stand to lose, by ignoring players putting their hand up for selection and then ignoring them. It sends the wrong message to all and sundry and only cuts off your nose to spite your face.
If they are on the list, and havent retired they should be viewed as a senior player irrespective of when they are getting games.
One thing I am quickly learning about our reset, is that our football club isn't the only thing that needs to change.
I think the club should have paid him out. There is very little chance of him getting a game with younger talls needing exposure.
Philips was underdone, massively!
What one game back from a lengthy stint on the sidelines....probably shouldn't have been picked imo...
We needed a ruckman as Kreuzer was out. The club wouldn't have wanted to play him but the only other option is Korcheck who seems a long way of AFL level.
We needed a ruckman as Kreuzer was out. The club wouldn't have wanted to play him but the only other option is Korcheck who seems a long way of AFL level.
Korcheck is on the injury list anyway, AC apparently!
Yes, last week we were desperate for anyone faintly looking like a ruckman.
We have only a few on the list.
Senior List:
[1] Kreuzer
[2] Phillips
[3] Gorringe
Rookie List:
[1] Korchek
VFL list:
[1] Angus Milhan
[2] Sean Bolger
That is to cover 3 teams each week.
Of those, only Phillips and Bolger were fit last week. Phillips really struggled and is some weeks away, Bolger has been playing CHB for the VFL Development side. He played VFL seniors last week, as the back-up for Liam Jones.
That provided us with 0 ruckmen for the development game, which we still almost won.
It shows that out squad is very light on ruckmen of any variety.
In fact, it would be the only division that does not look to have improved its personnel.
One of our recruiting priorities for this year should be to improve our ruck stocks. Why?
[1] Kreuzer has a heart like Phar Lap, but he is not a premiership winning ruckman.
[2] Phillips offers a bit, but does not look like the answer either.
[3] Gorringe is just not a great ruckman. He is better in other roles and should be used in them.
[4] Korchek doesn't look like the answer either. His actual ruck work has improved quite a bit, but he does not have much of a tank and he is still ordinary in the other aspects of the game.
We can keep Korchek on for another year without a problem, as he is an International Rookie. Kreuzer is worth more for us than he as a trade. Nobody will give us the picks worth his worth to us. Phillips and Gorringe o on their last chances.