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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Milhanna13 -
wait, wait, wait … just watched the Sunday Footy Show highlighting how they blocked Cripps at every centre bounce.

 I mean, COME ON. If that sort of treatment doesn’t warrant a rule change I don’t know what does.

So the ball is NOT in play, there’s NO actual contest yet, in some instances the location was more than 10 metres away from where the ball was about to be bounced, and the opposing player did NOT have eyes for the ball.

So if you take your eyes off the ball and look at your opponent for a split second in a marking contest it’s a free every single time.

Also an instant free for “blocking” if the player’s path to a marking contest is impeded.

Why is that treated differently?

Of course, nothing new here - has been happening for years, and not just to Cripps.  McCrae is portrayed as the good guy but I think this belies his Sheedy- or Clarkson-like approach to pushing things to the limit. He was even astute enough to make Pendlebury the blocker knowing he’s an ump favourite who has the footballing IQ to disguise the blocks.

Which brings me to Pendelbury’s last centre clearance - did he or did he not head straight for the boundary line?
Great observation from one commentator that doing that is win/win. If the ump pings him for “insufficient intent” it gives them time to set up behind the ball. If the ump is too gutless to make the call it’s a throw in just far enough away from goal.


This craps me to tears most weeks (Steele from the 'aints is another who just turns and faces crippa at every bounce)

Was going to make the Pendles point, until i saw you beat me to it.  They rarely call the hold, but they were definitely not going to ping Pendles.   Ive made this point before, but Mccrae (and as you have pointed out Clarko), come from the same school of - hold him off the ball 100 times and you get pinged twice (or never, as was the case Fri night) - well it is worth it

Needs to be looked at.  Crippa cant even scratch his nose, as he is being held that close, before the ump even thinks about bouncing the ball
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
We have been sending Cripps forward, and quite effectively too.

It really shouldn’t matter if the opposition sets out to limit Crippa’s influence.  Our other mids, and rucks, should take up the slack and allow him to play a little more as an outside mid.  His work as a link up player is invaluable and he can do that without having to get first hands to the ball at every contest. 

It would be nice to see our rucks and other mids putting more pressure on Crippa’s opponents too.

The skipper is a big fan of the two rucks and I don’t think that he’d accept that one quieter game from him is any reason to change.
Skipper is a big fan of having Pitto to rove too.....not necesarily 2 rucks.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by DJC -
Just for something different....

Stop Cripps.
Stop Carlton.
OK, maybe.

What do we do when Cripps is getting beaten? Send him forward.
However, we already have Charlie, Harry and now TDK forward....can we afford to have Cripps there as well? Probably not.

So who is the weak link in that chain?

Yep, going back to the 1 ruck debate.
1 less ruck in the team means an extra midfielder and more flexibility/versatility with making moves.

I've been against it, but maybe its time to try TDK as a key back? We have extra talls good enough to play 1's, but running out of spots to play them all.....yet we have a big opening at CHB that we can't nail down. Why not TDK?

We have been sending Cripps forward, and quite effectively too.

It really shouldn’t matter if the opposition sets out to limit Crippa’s influence.  Our other mids, and rucks, should take up the slack and allow him to play a little more as an outside mid.  His work as a link up player is invaluable and he can do that without having to get first hands to the ball at every contest. 

It would be nice to see our rucks and other mids putting more pressure on Crippa’s opponents too.

The skipper is a big fan of the two rucks and I don’t think that he’d accept that one quieter game from him is any reason to change.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
I would tend to agree DJC. The idea that stopping Cripps goes a long way to stopping Carlton is hardly new. Collingwood didn’t discover anything new. Cripps has been blocked, tagged and scragged his whole career. For whatever reason, we weren’t able to do anything about it.  The coaches’ votes make pretty clear that apart from Nick Daicos, no player on either team had a particularly great game.

Just for something different....

Stop Cripps.
Stop Carlton.
OK, maybe.

What do we do when Cripps is getting beaten? Send him forward.
However, we already have Charlie, Harry and now TDK forward....can we afford to have Cripps there as well? Probably not.

So who is the weak link in that chain?

Yep, going back to the 1 ruck debate.
1 less ruck in the team means an extra midfielder and more flexibility/versatility with making moves.

I've been against it, but maybe its time to try TDK as a key back? We have extra talls good enough to play 1's, but running out of spots to play them all.....yet we have a big opening at CHB that we can't nail down. Why not TDK?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by DJC -
I don't really get the criticism of Lewis Young.  He might provide a few heart in mouth moments but I thought that he defended very well against Collingwood and did the job on Cox and Cameron when they went forward.

Only two of Young's eight marks were contested but he led the way for us with nine 1%ers and only Nic Newman had more intercepts.  On top of that, he only had one turnover for the game, not bad for a "panic merchant".

I imagine that Weitering will take Van Rooyen and we'll need another tall KPD to go with Petty and Gawn when he goes forward.

I wouldn't play Kemp on Fritsch.  Fritsch is too elusive and would exploit Kemp when he provides the extra at marking contests.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Domestic violence and why the government will struggle to attention the problem.
Last post by Thryleon -
Thank you guys for your kind thoughts.

I will do my best to answer any questions. Give me a little time to collect my thoughts please. I am In the process of selling my house. My deepest apologies.
Don't feel you have to answer to anything, you have already shared heaps.  Just makes me wonder.  I do that.  Its my nature.

Still don't understand it, but maybe thats part of the issue.  Its irrational and understanding the irrational is sometimes impossible.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by Thryleon -
At the ground, I saw Fantasia working back to cover Steele Sidebottom and giving Cotters a chop out.

Hes not amazing, but him and Durds were both getting up the ground a significant way.  Owies I like, hes dangerous.  The problem we had was probably more to do with our forward entries and where the ball was being put, rather than where the guys were and werent getting to. So many times, the ball was being rebounded, because we kicked to a contest where we were outnumbered.  The collingwood backs were working up and down the ground all day, and they had 2 additional days break to do so.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by WASurfer -
For me, Kemp comes in and gets first shot at Fritsch. He's got pace to go with him and match him in the air.

If McGovern and Martin pass fitness tests, play them. We might need one of the ruckmen pushing back when Gawn goes forward so Martin offers some marking ability forward. Martin isn't and has never been a high possession player......but surely offers more than Fantasia at the moment. But one more soft tissue injury this season for him and that's just about it.

IN:  McGovern, Martin, Kemp
OUT:  Young, Williams, Fantasia

I think Cincotta stays in.

Young just looks completely lost out there at the moment and is a panic merchant when he gets the ball. Williams was good early in the season with his kicking and run, but last week I lost count of how many panic dump kicks he did out of defence.

And one of Carroll or Binns as the sub.