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We are coach killers because we are impatient.
Baggers, a couple of my own thoughts in relation to this :
- I'd suggest like all senior coaches, Voss' apprenticeship started as a player, and progressed from there : Robert Walls, then Leigh Matthews, then Worsfold for a couple of years, then Hinkley. It's not a bad group. Voss has been quite open about his close and excellent relationship with Mathews, and the influence on his career as a player and coach
- Also worth comparing his win/loss at Brisbane and Carlton, it shows the capacity to grow, improve and learn from one's mistakes, unlike Ratts for example.
- I would suggest that another sacking is not just about perception and bad optics, but rather, is a root cause of the limited success we've experienced in the last 20 years.
. All I want for Christmas are two half forwards that can spot a player on the lead and hit the target.
We actually have a few - Cottrell, Smith, E Hollands, Young.
It's true injuries/rehab have killed us in this part of the game.. but still no excuse to not persist with others in this critical role. Boyd, Carroll, Moir are good kicks of the football... there is no excuse kicking the can down the road and not trying to fill this important role despite players missing.
We had a lot of senior players have poor games last night:
[1] Jacob Weitering, who didn't look close to fit. He might be better after a slightly longer break, but he struggled last night. He did not look engaged or passionate at any stage last night, or in recent games.
[2] Blake Acres, who hasn't really been fit his year. He was ordinary and had only 11 possessions. He needs to be fixed, so he's ready for 2026. Hard to send him away for repairs, he does give his all, even with the shizen disposals
[3] Jack Silvagni, who played his worst game for the year. He really struggled to get near the ball on an important night for the Silvagni name. Looked lost and dispirited
[4] Mitch McGovern, who had the night from Hell. If our kicking into the forward line wasn't bad enough (and it wasn't good), when he finally got the ball he shanked like the ads on TV. Missing gettable goals from simple shots is heart breaking. Was woeful
[5] Adam Saad - the concussion protocols might be a blessing in disguise, as Saady has been struggling. Give him a break and he will be better for it. Yep, then let him off the leash to do what running half backs do. Stupid to ask him to be a lock-down defender, and a waste.
[6] Lachie Fogarty had a night from Hell. His decision making was awful, as was his kicking when he finally got his hands on the ball.' Good Magoos player. When he can't get a game, we're making progress.
[7] Tom de Koning was thrashed in the ruck by Sweet and Visentini, who did what rucks are supposed to do, give their mids first use. Tom didn't. He didn't take many marks and his kicking was atrocious. Checked out. Seemed angry.
[8] Charlie Curnow: There were some good signs from Charlie, like his willingness to chase and tackle, but his kicking, usually elite, was excremental and didn't get close to targets. He was engaged and got amongst it, about bloody time.
[9] Orazio Fantasia had a few nice minutes late in the game, but when the game was there to be won, he wasn't there. And he missed easy goals as well. One of our few small forwards who seemed almost, semi dangerous.
[10] George Hewett had his worst game of the year. He struggled to get near the ball. At least he tackled; he had 9 of them. If effort and spirit for the contest amount to anything, this bloke was, and remains, a bloody ripper.
[11] Patrick Cripps also struggled, which was no surprise when he was sick all week. However, his ruck work was more effective than Tom's was. Should not have put his hand up to play - selfish and poor leadership and understanding of what he could really offer
[12] Lewis Young: what was he doing? he offered nothing as a forward, a defender or a ruckman. At least he kicked our 1st goal, our only 1st half goal!
That is more than half of our team!
At least Haynes can hold his head up; he did a fine job. Can he play next season? I hope so. Showed bona fide leadership qualities, must play next year and be in the leadership group.
Doc tried, but wasn't very effective. Must retire to lead the Magoos, now. His panicky kicks under pressure are a huge liability and deflate the group.
Ollie Hollands and Zac Williams weren't that bad either. Agree. Voting is going to very difficult this week!
We would need a huge turnaround from these guys to be competitive against Collingwood, which I just cannot see at the moment. But we should be looking at replacing some of the 12 guys I mentioned, as they were issues at the moment. Yep.
The best teams plan and plan everything to the finest detail.They may start resting players, but whoever the players are that go out there will go at 100%, nothing is sure because the players on the fringe of selection are battling for a spot!
He's the best coach we have had in a very long time. The smart arses here will say that's not hard but give him better players and watch the change.
Does that include his time at Brisbane.
I'd think his Carlton record is much better than that.
(Edit- Thanks Kruds)
I really don't have anything to add to what has already been said.
There's a number of reasons why we have gone so pair shaped, it's not a simple fix.
Whoever can fix this mess deserves the keys to the city and a bronze statue outside PP.
If you know any good exorcists, now might be a good time to get in touch.
see, you're an optimist just like this sucker little black duck.
I am very confident this version of the CFC is not dancing to the media tune. Taken literally, 'under pressure' does not equate to calling for a sacking. But some will interpret it that way and make a noise. They're the loud 'quick fix' brigade and deserve ignoring. Along with the boneheads who vandalized PP.
Bottom line is that Vossy and co. still have time to turn things around. We hope he does. But optimism is slim.
Vossy and the boos were booed off the ground last week.
Quite possibly again last night.
If that happens every week, you think the club will have balls enough to stick fat with him?
I'm not so confident.
While the board might rubber stamp it, any decision regarding the coach will probably be made at the Cook/Wright level.
The way it sounds is that Wright is moving around the club talking to a lot of people including players.
Cook has a reputation of not pulling the plug on coaches...but would be all over the goings on at the club
Both would be aware of any issues or rifts.
I'm pretty confident that any decision they make will be what they regard as the best one for the club.
I don't know why folks are still banging on about the 'Old Carlton' way of sacking coaches. The club hasn't sacked Vossy, and don't look like doing it any time soon. We have not seen a knee jerk reaction. So we can put away that gripe, it's the past.Hold my beer!
Baggers I have lost all confidence in the entire club. Whilst nothing has happened, I cant help but feel the writing is on the wall. The entire club is FOS and I trust a word anyone says anymore. They need to regain my trust (especially the players) as it has completely broken and it will take a very long time to win it back. So I am gonna be very cynical, angry and negative for a very long time so ban mods ban me now if it's not gonna be to your liking. I have had a gutful.
I don't know why folks are still banging on about the 'Old Carlton' way of sacking coaches. The club hasn't sacked Vossy, and don't look like doing it any time soon. We have not seen a knee jerk reaction. So we can put away that gripe, it's the past.
You've been around long enough to know that THIS is how it starts.
Plenty of supporters (some on here) are calling for exactly that.
On fox footy before the game, they were talking about the pressure Vossy is under and how the club reacts to that - ie sack the coach.
The media are running with it. Supporters are calling for it.
Just need the swell to build a bit more and bang, same old same old.
I posted it a week or 2 ago, but it warrants repeating.
Cripps is having an absolutely terrible year. He (or the club) is too stubborn to put him on the sidelines to recover.
Possession wise, its his worst year apart from the shortened covid/quarantine year, and his debut year when he played 3 games.
Last night was a perfect example of our issues. He was too sick that he had to be quarantined from the playing list....but was good enough to play the most physically demanding game in the world. Yeah, nah.
.....and you could make a case for about 5 others, all top end talent, that fall into that category.
Now, i understand the want to play these guys. However, you simply need to look at the result in the last 2 weeks to realise that there is no benefit to doing so. Only downsides.
Rest Cripps, rest Charlie, rest Weiters, rest Saad, rest Acres......
What is going to happen? We end up losing by 50 points? Well that is happening anyway. At least we have a reason - we played a bunch of kids.
Last night, we played our oldest side for 81 years!
Let that sink in.
No Carlton team that has run out in the last 81 years and been as old as that mob last night.
What did we get from it? A bunch of old, unfit, sick, injured blokes putting in half-ar$ed efforts.
Play the kids.
I don't expect them to do much better, but at least there is a double benefit to doing so. You rest the blokes who need to recover and you give some kids a shot at the big time who may actually suprise.
For this week...
Lemmey - Curnow
HOF - Weiters
Lucas - Acres
Ben - Cripps
Carroll - Saad