Need some big changes this week. Minimum of 3 changes I would think.
Out: Carrazzo (injured) Betts and Rowe
In: Graham, Menzel and Casboult
Doggies are playing well, it's not going to be a walk in the park, but I think we'll still get the job done convincingly.
Murphy needs to stand up and answer his critics like Kreuzer did over a month ago.
Kreuzer needs 22 consistent performances before he is considered to have answered his critics IMO.
If Yarran isn't dropped our MC have lost the plot.
Murphy is not fit to go and shouldnt be playing.
How do we know he's not fit?
Sorry, in my opinion, Murphy is not fit, and shouldnt be playing. I decided this whilst watching him "run" against Freo.
There is more than one reason why he had such a bad game, and Crowley is only part of the equation. When a player like Murphy is limping around the field for more than half the game, there is a problem. I suspect it has been one for him since before we played Port Adelaide too.
See I saw Yarran in the change rooms after the game, he could hardly walk and his lower leg was iced to the max. Does he qualify for some leeway as well? Pretty sure everyone just wrote it off and said stiff sht, you take the field it's bad luck.
With regards to murphy's supposed ankle problem from the Saints game, he had 4 weeks off I'm sure that would've healed it.
Tank for a higher round 1 pick, play the kids.
Boom boom.
Sorry, in my opinion, Murphy is not fit, and shouldnt be playing. I decided this whilst watching him "run" against Freo.
There is more than one reason why he had such a bad game, and Crowley is only part of the equation. When a player like Murphy is limping around the field for more than half the game, there is a problem. I suspect it has been one for him since before we played Port Adelaide too.
Do you honestly think if the captain of the club was not fit to take the field then coach would target him like he did after game. Not a chance in hell, Murphy problem is his head.
Sorry, in my opinion, Murphy is not fit, and shouldnt be playing. I decided this whilst watching him "run" against Freo.
There is more than one reason why he had such a bad game, and Crowley is only part of the equation. When a player like Murphy is limping around the field for more than half the game, there is a problem. I suspect it has been one for him since before we played Port Adelaide too.
Do you honestly think if the captain of the club was not fit to take the field then coach would target him like he did after game. Not a chance in hell, Murphy problem is his head.
Said he needs to work hard to break a tag. I am sure it's something that Murphy will be able to deal with and it sends a clear message that everyone on the list needs to improve. So yeah he might give Murphy a spray even if he is carrying an injury for the betterment of the club..
* He did spend a lot of time forward.
Sorry, in my opinion, Murphy is not fit, and shouldnt be playing. I decided this whilst watching him "run" against Freo.
There is more than one reason why he had such a bad game, and Crowley is only part of the equation. When a player like Murphy is limping around the field for more than half the game, there is a problem. I suspect it has been one for him since before we played Port Adelaide too.
Murphy hasn't been right for some time now. he had that injury high up on his hamstring a few weeks back. Instead of having a proper rehab, he rushed himself back. Personally, I think it would have done him good to rehab it properly and get fit. he has struggled since then, clearly not being 100%: he hasn't really got over the cheekbone yet either.
However, he is the Captain and he has gone out of his way to play.
See I saw Yarran in the change rooms after the game, he could hardly walk and his lower leg was iced to the max. Does he qualify for some leeway as well? Pretty sure everyone just wrote it off and said stiff sht, you take the field it's bad luck.
With regards to murphy's supposed ankle problem from the Saints game, he had 4 weeks off I'm sure that would've healed it.
To be honest, Yazz hasn't been 100% for some time either. The way he has been walking and sometimes 'trotting' for the last month suggests he isn't close to full pace. He has done a few sprints in recent weeks but has struggled to put distance between himself and his opponents. It has also seemed to be a lot more work, from his facial expressions. I don't think he is going to be 100% until next season; it looks to me that he is carrying something.
I may be wrong, but....
Unfortunately there are probably more guys who need rest to get over niggles, but they don't want to rest. They are aiming to play finals and pushing themselves with that in mind.
Personally, I don't think they should bother. I don't think we are good enough to make an impact on the finals series this year. I would be getting ready for next year. With a new fitness regime, some new blood and a better understanding of what Malthouse wants, we should be better.
I agree Crash but I would add a few precautionary notes:
Personally, I don't think they should bother. I don't think we are good enough to make an impact on the finals series this year. I would be getting ready for next year. With a new fitness regime (but nothing experimental), some new blood (just not from a calf)and a better understanding of what Malthouse wants (so make better use of their grey matter, not pigs' grey matter), we should be better.
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Waite and McInnes may be back.
McInnes is so important for our defensive structure, if he has a groin I'd be surprised to see him back so quickly.
Malthouse publicly outed the performances of the three amigos and Murphy.. Doubt he would have said what he said ( ie they were terrible), if any of them were carrying injuries. We have to stop making excuses for Yarran, Murphy and betts. They are just in sh1t form.
Garlett however is still managing to snag goals and is not in the same degree of a slump the other 3 are in. He just gets thrown in because he is an amigo.
I agree that Murphy isn't 100%. He doesn't have any zip. He's been outrun by a few players recently, Clinton Jones being one of them.
He's never been express Murphy, what he's always had is quick acceleration. If the player he's chasing has a full head of steam he won't catch him. If it's from a stand start Murphy seems quicker for sure.
See I saw Yarran in the change rooms after the game, he could hardly walk and his lower leg was iced to the max. Does he qualify for some leeway as well? Pretty sure everyone just wrote it off and said stiff sht, you take the field it's bad luck.
With regards to murphy's supposed ankle problem from the Saints game, he had 4 weeks off I'm sure that would've healed it.
Fair enough, but what does me believing Murphy is not 100% have to do with Yarran?
For anyone else, if they are not ready to play, then dont play. I couldnt care who your name is, if you declare yourself fit, and give me nothing, then there is hell to pay, and perhaps this is why Malthouse mentioned him post press conference in amongst Eddie, Jeff and Yarran.
Comments were more in reference to the fact that every time Murphy puts in a shocker he has an excuse ie injured, hard tag, sore ankle, teammates not sticking up for him etc. etc. we've heard it all before. Yazz just cops it, not necessarily from you, but in general. So Yazz is an example.
Comments were more in reference to the fact that every time Murphy puts in a shocker he has an excuse ie injured, hard tag, sore ankle, teammates not sticking up for him etc. etc. we've heard it all before. Yazz just cops it, not necessarily from you, but in general. So Yazz is an example.
I used to be one of those people.
Waite and McInnes may be back.
That would help us no end. We need a little flexibility and more scoring power. Waite adds that, while McInnes gives options in defence.
I would be very tempted to drop Eddie Betts: his form since he was out has been very poor. We can't afford to have so many non contributors.
I have questions over the fitness of Carrots, Murphy and Yarran. I'd like to have enough players in the VFL to come up to cover them, to give them time to get over their niggles, but I doubt that will happen.
I'd like to have Warnock in. Kreuzer got toweled up last week. Minson is in almost career best form, so I'd like to have more than 1 option in the ruck. Just having 1 in a situation like this is a point source error. We had enough of that last week when Kreuzer couldn't handle Sandilands. No need for repeats.
The Dogs don't have much in the way of tall forwards - I don't see any match ups for Watson, unless the MC want him to play forward again.
I'd like to give Buckley, Menzel or Graham a go. Buckley is producing more often (although not often enough), Menzel needs a senior workout (I'd rather have him find real form for the Baby Blues, but...) and Graham deserves a go with his form. I doubt we'll pick all 3.
Bulldogs are a bottom team and I expect both Murphy and Yarran to do well against them but to me this doesnt mean much......the games vs Richmond, Essendon in particular and Port are where I want to see the both of them fire up and play to their ability.
FFS just play Buckley, Menzel and Graham the season is over, let's at least get something out of it.
I'd bring in Menzel for Betts, Eddie is horribly out of form and needs a spell. Menzel brings more aggression and tackling pressure into our forward line.
I'd bring in Menzel for Betts, Eddie is horribly out of form and needs a spell. Menzel brings more aggression and tackling pressure into our forward line.
I too believe that it is, once again, time to unleash the Freak! ;D
There's alot of Wingard in Menzel, time to give him an extended run at it.
I'd bring in Menzel for Betts, Eddie is horribly out of form and needs a spell. Menzel brings more aggression and tackling pressure into our forward line.
That would be a huge move with contract negotiations going on.
I would be surprised if Yarran isn't sub this week.
I'd bring in Menzel for Betts, Eddie is horribly out of form and needs a spell. Menzel brings more aggression and tackling pressure into our forward line.
That would be a huge move with contract negotiations going on.
I would be surprised if Yarran isn't sub this week.
Yarran must be dropped on last week's performance. If he isn't dropped MM has well and truly lost the plot, he dropped him for a whole lot less last time.
The Doggies on the line at +20.5 is the bet of the century this weekend.
I'd bring in Menzel for Betts, Eddie is horribly out of form and needs a spell. Menzel brings more aggression and tackling pressure into our forward line.
That would be a huge move with contract negotiations going on.
I would be surprised if Yarran isn't sub this week.
Yarran must be dropped on last week's performance. If he isn't dropped MM has well and truly lost the plot, he dropped him for a whole lot less last time.
From earlier reports Yarran may not even come up fitness-wise?
Either way cookie, he was limping badly so he either gets dropped or doesn't play because of injury. He can't play after last week performance.
Either way cookie, he was limping badly so he either gets dropped or doesn't play because of injury. He can't play after last week performance.
I think you're right PI2C. Whatever is the case he'll probably be listed as "injured".
Blues just, 13 pts
Phffft, mick must have been pretty happy with the boys efforts last week, only Carrazzo & Kreuzer out both injured :-\
Edit. Frrrkn ch 7 never mentioned Lucas, & Robbo
CARLTON
In: J.Waite, R.Warnock, T.Menzel, J.Bootsma
Out: A.Carrazzo (calf), M.Kreuzer (calf), K.Lucas, M.Robinson
How in the hell is Graham not getting a call up?
Full teams
CARLTON
FOLLOWERS
11 Robert Warnock
19 Eddie Betts
3 Marc Murphy
WESTERN BULLDOGS
FOLLOWERS
27 Will Minson
16 Ryan Griffen
21 Tom Liberatore
FB 21 Josh Bootsma 40 Michael Jamison 23 Lachie Henderson
FF 6 Luke Dahlhaus 45 Tom Campbell 1 Jarrad Grant
HB 42 Zach Tuohy 10 Matthew Watson 4 Bryce Gibbs
HF 29 Tory Dickson 22 Dylan Addison 13 Daniel Giansiracusa
C 13 Chris Yarran 5 Chris Judd 6 Kade Simpson
C 4 Daniel Cross 3 Mitch Wallis 17 Adam Cooney
HF 35 Ed Curnow 1 Andrew Walker 38 Jeff Garlett
HB 2 Robert Murphy 23 Jordan Roughead 31 Tom Young
FF 14 Brock McLean 17 Sam Rowe 29 Heath Scotland
FB 38 Dale Morris 47 Mark Austin 42 Liam Picken
INTERCHANGE
30 Jarrad Waite
2 Troy Menzel
37 Jaryd Cachia
27 Dennis Armfield
EMERGENCIES
26 Andrew McInnes
12 Mitch Robinson
32 Nick Graham
INTERCHANGE
15 Jason Tutt
25 Koby Stevens
10 Easton Wood
19 Liam Jones
EMERGENCIES
20 Daniel Pearce
26 Lachie Hunter
30 Christian Howard
I like all those ins bar Bootsma who will once again be a non event. I'm tipping Yazz doesn't play and Murphy would be a 50/50 at best. I too would love to see Graham in action.
Why is Bootsma in ahead of McInnes?
FFS just play Buckley, Menzel and Graham the season is over, let's at least get something out of it.
Couldn't agree more. Almost unbelievable that Graham hasn't been named this week. His form for the Bullants has been outstanding.
Hilarious.
Been smashed in the middle and we lose one midfielder to injury and drop 2 more and add Zero midfielders to the in's.
FFS just play Buckley, Menzel and Graham the season is over, let's at least get something out of it.
Couldn't agree more. Almost unbelievable that Graham hasn't been named this week. His form for the Bullants has been outstanding.
FMD if that's the line up the MC can get farked.
Piss weak.
Surprised he didn't pick another 4 taggers.
Hilarious.
Been smashed in the middle and we lose one midfielder to injury and drop 2 more and add Zero midfielders to the in's.
Said exactly the same thing on TC.
Betts was worse than useless last week, Murphy is being tagged into an early grave and nobody else can find the ball because they are all tagging.
We've got a kid (graham) playing Ressies who has the worst case of leather poisoning since Barry Mitchell played reserves and another who's smashing them in Bell.
I don't even rate Bell that highly but if I have to sit through another Eddie magic show where he dissappears for 80% of the game ill spew up.
How are Betts, Yarran and Garlett all still in? Where exactly is he intending to play Menzel?
The Forward line will be a shambles. I'm hoping he'll at least try a 3 pronged attack with Hendo, Waite and Rowe all playing together. Means they won't be able to double team either Hendo or Waite, which will take the pressure off Rowe a bit too.
Hoping one of the little guys gets dropped for Graham.
Anyone got any news on Kreuzer? Nearly died when I saw that Warnock was back in.
One of the 3 amigos might play in the midfield, all rotating, or Yarran might play HB putting Walker and/or Touhy into the midfield.
Might have a forward line of.
Waite Henderson Menzel
Garlett Rowe Betts.
One of the 3 amigos might play in the midfield, all rotating, or Yarran might play HB putting Walker and/or Touhy into the midfield.
Might have a forward line of.
Waite Henderson Menzel
Garlett Rowe Betts.
Sounds good. Would love to see Tuohy get a run in the middle. A tough nut with great disposal who can kick goals, exactly what we're missing in there.
@laj
Yes Jim I think a couple of others will play midfield - at least one of the amigos and Gibbs - for some of the time anyway.
Why is Bootsma in ahead of McInnes?
Because Mick thinks Bootsma is his new Toovey.... ;) and Mick loves pace out of the backline. I'm a McInnes fan and think he should be in the team
learning the trade, applies himself well and has some attitude which I like.
Just in case you struggle with the team published on the previous page:
CARLTON v WESTERN BULLDOGS, Etihad Stadium, 4:40pm AEST, Saturday 10 August
CARLTON
B: J.Bootsma, M.Jamison, L.Henderson
HB: Z.Tuohy, M.Watson, B.Gibbs
C: C.Yarran, C.Judd, K.Simpson
HF: E.Curnow, A.Walker, J.Garlett
F: B.McLean, S.Rowe, H.Scotland
FOLL: R.Warnock, E.Betts, M.Murphy
I/C: D.Armfield, J.Cachia, T.Menzel, J.Waite
EMG: N.Graham, A.McInnes, M.Robinson
IN: Jarrad Waite, Robert Warnock, Josh Bootsma, Troy Menzel
OUT: Matthew Kreuzer (calf) , Andrew Carrazzo (calf) , Mitch Robinson (omitted) , Kane Lucas (omitted)
WESTERN BULLDOGS
B: D.Morris, M.Austin, L.Picken
HB: R.Murphy, J.Roughead, T.Young
C: D.Cross, M.Wallis, A.Cooney
HF: T.Dickson, D.Addison, D.Giansiracusa
F: L.Dahlhaus, T.Campbell, J.Grant
FOLL: W.Minson, R.Griffen, T.Liberatore
I/C: E.Wood, L.Jones, K.Stevens, J.Tutt
EMG: D.Pearce, L.Hunter, C.Howard
IN: Easton Wood, Liam Jones, Mark Austin
OUT: Michael Talia (soreness) , Lachie Hunter (rested), Jack Macrae (soreness)
Looks like robbo is cooked. 2nd time dropped in a month.
He'll be on the trade table now
Looks like robbo is cooked. 2nd time dropped in a month.
He'll be on the trade table now
Yep, it's starting to look that way for sure. He'll probably be shopped around at least.
Looks like robbo is cooked. 2nd time dropped in a month.
He'll be on the trade table now
Yep, it's starting to look that way for sure. He'll probably be shopped around at least.
Unless of course he can go away at xmas and learn to effin kick.
Looks like robbo is cooked. 2nd time dropped in a month.
He'll be on the trade table now
Yep, it's starting to look that way for sure. He'll probably be shopped around at least.
Unless of course he can go away at xmas and learn to effin kick.
I think he's past the learning to kick stage - that usually happens somewhere between 2 and 15
Lucas is unlucky...didnt think he was too bad as the sub and contested better than some of his mates when he came on. I dont call that great selection work at all.
Robbo is one of Mick s whipping boys and I reckon is on shaky ground in terms of his future...
Lucas is unlucky...didnt think he was too bad as the sub and contested better than some of his mates when he came on. I dont call that great selection work at all.
Robbo is one of Mick s whipping boys and I reckon is on shaky ground in terms of his future...
Robbo has his problems but is he a worse option than Eddie?
Eddies efforts have been putrid, stick Robbo in the forward line, at least he'll get involved.
Lucas is unlucky...
There was a particularly poor effort on the half back flank infront of me, not as bad as some of Yarran's stuff though but you start as sub, then you have to earn back a spot or you're gone.
Lucas is unlucky...didnt think he was too bad as the sub and contested better than some of his mates when he came on. I dont call that great selection work at all.
Robbo is one of Mick s whipping boys and I reckon is on shaky ground in terms of his future...
Robbo has his problems but is he a worse option than Eddie?
Eddies efforts have been putrid, stick Robbo in the forward line, at least he'll get involved.
Cant argue with that
McInnes should be in our starting 22 each week. Can't understand why Graham wasn't named... season is over, why not reward a kid for decent form when others have packed up for the year.
Agree about Eddie, he has been well off his game this year and definitely needs to pull his socks up (as well as his shorts). Having said that he does have a massive upside if he can do that - much more than say Robbo who lacks skill, finesse and smarts IMO. He makes up a little bit for that with his hard at it approach - but that's not good enough for AFL level in my book. Lucas looked ordinary last week as well.
MM is probably playing the selection percentages and he obviously sees more chance of Eddie coming good than Robbo or Lucas for instance.
McInnes should be in our starting 22 each week. Can't understand why Graham wasn't named... season is over, why not reward a kid for decent form when others have packed up for the year.
Read somewhere - maybe on here - that MM does not like to throw first year players into the couldron, as a matter of policy. That would explain Graham's non-selection.
Eddie named Ruck Rover. Who said Mick doesn't have a sense of humour.
Menzel is a first year player. I wouldn't call a dead rubber vs the doggies a cauldron.
Casboult is unlucky...I am a fan of Sam Rowe but he was ordinary last week after a quiet game the week before and I would be worried if I was Levi that Mick isnt a fan because Levi should be playing this week and I think he would be more useful vs Minson.
re: Graham....probably Menzel and Bootsma is enough kids for this week, think Graham may get a game vs the Tigers or Port.
Menzel is a first year player. I wouldn't call a dead rubber vs the doggies a cauldron.
Did you watch the Doggies last week go at the Swans? They are out to prove something - I wouldn't be too scornful. Fair comment re. Menzel.
Eddie named Ruck Rover. Who said Mick doesn't have a sense of humour.
Eddies best game this year was as sub.
Looks like Menzel will be sub. You can't take out 3 mids and have a mid as sub as well. I'd like to see Menzel play a full game, though.
Casboult is unlucky...I am a fan of Sam Rowe but he was ordinary last week after a quiet game the week before and I would be worried if I was Levi that Mick isnt a fan because Levi should be playing this week and I think he would be more useful vs Minson.
That's a bit tough EB. From memory Rowe had around 17 hitouts at a fairly high to advantage ratio, and against top opposition. I don't believe Casboult has ever managed that many hitouts in a game. They're both still learning the caper but Rowe is ahead at this stage . . . and Casboult isn't dominating in the NBs.
I'd like to think that Minson will have his hands full trying to cope with Warnock rather than us worrying about bringing in a big body to bang heads with him. Although I was impressed with the way Casboult threw his weight around against Box Hill. It's a little bit different when it's a lot harder to get near the pill.
re: Graham....probably Menzel and Bootsma is enough kids for this week, think Graham may get a game vs the Tigers or Port.
Again, I haven't seen Graham really take the game by the scruff of the neck in the NBs, but then neither have Menzel or Bootsma. You're right though, we can't play too many kids, even against average opposition.
Casboult is unlucky...I am a fan of Sam Rowe but he was ordinary last week after a quiet game the week before and I would be worried if I was Levi that Mick isnt a fan because Levi should be playing this week and I think he would be more useful vs Minson.
That's a bit tough EB. From memory Rowe had around 17 hitouts at a fairly high to advantage ratio, and against top opposition. I don't believe Casboult has ever managed that many hitouts in a game. They're both still learning the caper but Rowe is ahead at this stage . . . and Casboult isn't dominating in the NBs.
I'd like to think that Minson will have his hands full trying to cope with Warnock rather than us worrying about bringing in a big body to bang heads with him. Although I was impressed with the way Casboult threw his weight around against Box Hill. It's a little bit different when it's a lot harder to get near the pill.
re: Graham....probably Menzel and Bootsma is enough kids for this week, think Graham may get a game vs the Tigers or Port.
Again, I haven't seen Graham really take the game by the scruff of the neck in the NBs, but then neither have Menzel or Bootsma. You're right though, we can't play too many kids, even against average opposition.
Fair point DJ.....I think Sam's ruck work was the best part of his game last week and he is improving in that area but I have been dissapointed in his marking down forward. he just isnt holding his marks and there isnt a lot of seconadry follow up on the ground.
He has another years contract so he has his nose in front of Levi on that score.....and Mick obviously sees something in him that Casboult doesnt have at the present.
Big test for Warnock.....Minson is a tough hombre and Robbie has had his problems with the big bodied Mumford types......needs to take some marks around the ground to dispel that theory he is just a tap ruckman.
Judd, Murphy, McLean, Cachia, Curnow.
That's our midfield.
Judd, Murphy, McLean, Cachia, Curnow.
That's our midfield.
The midfield rotations will include Scotland, Curnow, Betts, Garlett, Yarran, Armfield and Simpson. Not too shabby.
Lucas is unlucky...didnt think he was too bad as the sub and contested better than some of his mates when he came on. I dont call that great selection work at all.
Robbo is one of Mick s whipping boys and I reckon is on shaky ground in terms of his future...
Go back to the old site and look at the voting for our final vs WCE in 2011. Robbo almost BOG, what a fall from grace in less than a season from a very good footballer to very average footballer. Mick's working his magic on the team.
Rowe stunk last week - got into position to mark and dropped about 15 I reckon. As a result our forward line was ineffective. Staggered he gets a run this week.
Disappointed for what Robbo brings, but he has played poorly this year and looks to be lost... zero composure with the ball. I don't know if he is playing where he should be either - forward with stints in the guts IMO. I still reckon Mick should put another year into him and play him as a defensive forward/changing mid..
McInnes should be in our starting 22 each week. Can't understand why Graham wasn't named... season is over, why not reward a kid for decent form when others have packed up for the year.
I'm thinking it's a fitness issues for both of them. Mick said after the nth game that they'd asked a lot of mciness, coming back in after hid knee op. Based on that, they probably want him to have 2-3 gamed back in the 2's before bringing him in. He's definitely in micks plans I'd say.
With graham they probably just want him to keep playing well in the 2's and not rush him into the seniors for fear of breaking down again.
Patience guys. One thing Mick is good at is making sure players are ready when they come in.
Andy Mac has proven that he is a useful addition, and will play more often than not.
Graham will get his chance eventually. We are too eager to baptise players by fire, when you can easily burn them if not careful. They need to earn their stripes in more ways that just wracking up touches for the Northern Blues.
Judd, Murphy, McLean, Cachia, Curnow.
That's our midfield.
The midfield rotations will include Scotland, Curnow, Betts, Garlett, Yarran, Armfield and Simpson. Not too shabby.
2 out of form small forward he get knocked over in a breeze, our oldest player whose lost 3 yards of pace, a reformed unaccountable wingman playing his best in defence and a guy who gives his all but maybe as had over 20 Possessions 5 times.
Sorry if I don't hold your optimism.
Patience guys. One thing Mick is good at is making sure players are ready when they come in.
Andy Mac has proven that he is a useful addition, and will play more often than not.
Graham will get his chance eventually. We are too eager to baptise players by fire, when you can easily burn them if not careful. They need to earn their stripes in more ways that just wracking up touches for the Northern Blues.
I'd hardly call the Bulldogs a baptism by fire though, it's a perfect opportunity for him to play. I still think Yarran wont play and someone (hopefully Graham) will come in.
Just realised Army playing his 100th game. Congrats to him, didnt realise he had racked up that many.
Casboult is unlucky...I am a fan of Sam Rowe but he was ordinary last week after a quiet game the week before and......
the week before that.
He's one VERY lucky lad at the moment is Sam Rowe, been totally ineffective both as a forward & a ruckman time after time....yet he survives......*sigh*
Bootsma instead of McInnes.....*sigh*
Lucas is unlucky...didnt think he was too bad as the sub and contested better than some of his mates when he came on. I dont call that great selection work at all.
Robbo is one of Mick s whipping boys and I reckon is on shaky ground in terms of his future...
Go back to the old site and look at the voting for our final vs WCE in 2011. Robbo almost BOG, what a fall from grace in less than a season from a very good footballer to very average footballer. Mick's working his magic on the team.
Apart from Hendo and Touhy tell me who's actually improved?? If Robbo goe's so do I.
Just realised Army playing his 100th game. Congrats to him, didnt realise he had racked up that many.
And his last 6 have been arguably his worst.......
Lucas is unlucky...didnt think he was too bad as the sub and contested better than some of his mates when he came on. I dont call that great selection work at all.
Robbo is one of Mick s whipping boys and I reckon is on shaky ground in terms of his future...
Go back to the old site and look at the voting for our final vs WCE in 2011. Robbo almost BOG, what a fall from grace in less than a season from a very good footballer to very average footballer. Mick's working his magic on the team.
Apart from Hendo and Touhy tell me who's actually improved?? If Robbo goe's so do I.
Tuohy's improved the attacking side of his game, not so sure about the defensive side.......
Just realised Army playing his 100th game. Congrats to him, didnt realise he had racked up that many.
And his last 6 have been arguably his worst.......
That assessment might be a tad emotive and subjective I suspect, i.e. it does not appear to be supported by fact in that it is not arguable that they have been his worst or if all of them have even been bad!
Just realised Army playing his 100th game. Congrats to him, didnt realise he had racked up that many.
And his last 6 have been arguably his worst.......
That assessment might be a tad emotive and subjective I suspect, i.e. it does not appear to be supported by fact in that it is not arguable that they have been his worst or if all of them have even been bad!
Nup - it's fact LP, all of them have been bad or totally ineffective at the very best.
Lucas is unlucky...didnt think he was too bad as the sub and contested better than some of his mates when he came on. I dont call that great selection work at all.
Robbo is one of Mick s whipping boys and I reckon is on shaky ground in terms of his future...
Go back to the old site and look at the voting for our final vs WCE in 2011. Robbo almost BOG, what a fall from grace in less than a season from a very good footballer to very average footballer. Mick's working his magic on the team.
Apart from Hendo and Touhy tell me who's actually improved?? If Robbo goe's so do I.
Tuohy's improved the attacking side of his game, not so sure about the defensive side.......
I think he has Brettie. He's gone from completely useless to Crap. But he has improved IMO.
Lucas is unlucky...didnt think he was too bad as the sub and contested better than some of his mates when he came on. I dont call that great selection work at all.
Robbo is one of Mick s whipping boys and I reckon is on shaky ground in terms of his future...
Go back to the old site and look at the voting for our final vs WCE in 2011. Robbo almost BOG, what a fall from grace in less than a season from a very good footballer to very average footballer. Mick's working his magic on the team.
Apart from Hendo and Touhy tell me who's actually improved?? If Robbo goe's so do I.
Just on that, everyone says it's the players fault that they have no heart and don't work hard enough but what's the excuse for Robbo? Surely no one can doubt his work ethic? His heads obviously not in the right place and that goes for a shightload of our players ATM. Like I said a few days ago, there comes a time were there's just too many players underperforming for it to be the players fault.
Should win. All year we've lost once to a side below us and beaten on side above us in the 8. No doubting on that we're an 8-9th placed side. Best win for the year was probably against North. They are way better than their position suggests demonstrated by a huge % for a 10th paced 8-10 team of 122.
I've watched the doggies the last three weeks as I've had active line bets going on them. They are in form and strong at the contest. If they bring their A game they'll beat us.
Lucas is unlucky...didnt think he was too bad as the sub and contested better than some of his mates when he came on. I dont call that great selection work at all.
Robbo is one of Mick s whipping boys and I reckon is on shaky ground in terms of his future...
Go back to the old site and look at the voting for our final vs WCE in 2011. Robbo almost BOG, what a fall from grace in less than a season from a very good footballer to very average footballer. Mick's working his magic on the team.
Apart from Hendo and Touhy tell me who's actually improved?? If Robbo goe's so do I.
Just on that, everyone says it's the players fault that they have no heart and don't work hard enough but what's the excuse for Robbo? Surely no one can doubt his work ethic? His heads obviously not in the right place and that goes for a shightload of our players ATM. Like I said a few days ago, there comes a time were there's just too many players underperforming for it to be the players fault.
Robbo for all his endeavours just makes too many errors, Ratts tolerated it, MM doesnt.
Nah, I don't remember too mant complaining about his errors in previous years. I remember people calling him the barometer of our team. A few suggested the captaincy. The final against WCE and his fine game on Fletcher the week before.
Robbo has always been acknowledged for being full of heart and short on skill. The type of player that on one hand we all love for his big hits and passion, but we all get pi55ed off with for his all too frequent clangers.
My opinion of players of his ilk that they are good to have on tap for specific roles, or to bring in when the team is down on form, but if you are relying on them in your best 22, then you probably don't have a good enough side to win a flag.
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Yep, I think Robbo may be better off in a better team than us atm. One where his helter skelter style is covered and balanced by more of the skilled or composed types than we currently have. Then his clangers may not occur as often or wouldn't be as damaging?
I'd make Betts or Yarran the sub - Yaz, in particular, must be on his last chance to avoid being omitted.
I'd make Betts or Yarran the sub - Yaz, in particular, must be on his last chance to avoid being omitted.
I still think he wont play. If he's not injured he had to be dropped on last weeks performance. Unless Malthouse is buckling in his methods.
Nah, I don't remember too mant complaining about his errors in previous years. I remember people calling him the barometer of our team. A few suggested the captaincy. The final against WCE and his fine game on Fletcher the week before.
I think I told this story at the time but I used to work across the road from Visy Park. We used to use their facilities for conferences and training sessions. Once when we used the facilities, we went down to the open area just next to the gym to do a group role play thing. On the way to the area, we walked passed a white board with every players name on it and next to the names all the "areas of improvement" for each player. I recall all Robbos items where all disposal related. The word "butcher" was amongst the adjectives listed. We are talking a few years back now, nothing has changed in my opinion.
Just a thought. Have we rushed Waite back in to give him valuable game time prior to the finals, with the assumption that we might default into 8th position?
5 weeks out with a leg injury will lower your fitness base considerably and one game in the twos would seem standard?
If I dont see the following right across the board:
- Desperation equivalent to an Ethiopian food drop
- Ruthlessness
- Aggression at man and the footy (legal or otherwise)
- Low turnover rate
- High conversion rate
- Hard running
I will spew up!
That is all.
I'd make Betts or Yarran the sub - Yaz, in particular, must be on his last chance to avoid being omitted.
No argument here.
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If I don't see :
- Desperation Ruthlessness Aggression Low turnover rate, Hard running, you will ....
I have watched the replays and it is just not coming together.
The guys are trying, but the competition has found deficiencies in ability and composition.
I figure they team has done better than any of the previous years, but we need rebuilding.
Not many changes to the team - we note.
Assume the selectors have their purposes.
Big day for Warnock, lots of taps and a few grabs....!
Could go either way today !
Roof open or closed today?
I'd make Betts or Yarran the sub - Yaz, in particular, must be on his last chance to avoid being omitted.
You got your wish, AFL reporting on Twitter no changes and Yarran the SUB
All about attitude.
I'll take a loss but I want to see them gutted by it if it occurs because they've given their all.
I'd make Betts or Yarran the sub - Yaz, in particular, must be on his last chance to avoid being omitted.
You got your wish, AFL reporting on Twitter no changes and Yarran the SUB
if he comes on with no interest he get gtfo at the end of 13. no passengers.
Mate of mine visits a certain chiropractor. He goes 3 days a week. Juddy, Kreuzer and Harry Obrien go when he's there. Not concerned about Harry, Collingwood can worry about him, but wonder if Juddy's back has been a problem for him, and if so how much. Kruezer might be out with a sore back rather than a calf. Top chiropractor according to my mate and done wonders for him, so let's hope he can keep our blokes in the game for as long as possible.
sad message to lose this one !