Sounds like it's on
Turnbull to challenge
Turnbull speaking at 4.00pm
Julie Bishop will support Turnbull
It's on like Donkey Kong!
Houli Douli, here we go again!
All I can say is that it will be open season now on Malcolm as far as the Lib right is concerned - he'll have to be bloody good!
What a rabble!
Changing PMs mid term is fraught but I suppose they were facing electoral annihilation with the Suppository of all Wisdom at the helm.
What a rabble!
Changing PMs mid term is fraught but I suppose they were facing electoral annihilation with the Suppository of all Wisdom at the helm.
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What a rabble!
Changing PMs mid term is fraught but I suppose they were facing electoral annihilation with the Suppository of all Wisdom at the helm.
no
labor know that they are dead in the water with shorten if turnbull is leader
no
labor know that they are dead in the water with shorten if turnbull is leader
No!
Most folk who follow politics know that Turnbull is despised by the Liberal right who will stop at nothing to destabilise his leadership and install one of their own.
I'm not sure that Shorten will go the distance either.
The longer Turnbull goes in the job the less likely he will be to win an election.
...but Shorten will never beat him.
Morrison is the one to watch.
No!
Most folk who follow politics know that Turnbull is despised by the Liberal right who will stop at nothing to destabilise his leadership and install one of their own.
I'm not sure that Shorten will go the distance either.
the libs are full of hard right idiots atm
hopefully turnbull will take them to the centre
How hopeless is Shorten...just gave an absolutely weird presser ::)
'Disturbing' was how Graham Richardson described it.
If Turnbull gets the gig it will be good for the ALP, they'll have to get a real leader. Abbott is Shorten's best bet to be PM (god help us all). Abbott and Shorten, sheesh, talk about having nothing twice!
Julie Bishop supporting Turnbull is very telling.
There are two possibilities.
Turnbull has the numbers.
Turnbull doesn't have the numbers.
It's not about Abbott, but it could be a move by Julie Bishop to eliminate an opponent for the top job once and for all. The polls say Abbott has no chance, that won't change if he wins tonight. So with Turnbull out of the way Julie Bishop might be the next big thing!
What a complete clusterf#ck.
I'll say it again... politics is broken! None of these b-graders can fix it.
One thing is sure and certain...whoever wins tonight won't have a united party behind them. ::)
Politics in Australia has been a circus show now for some time. Neither leaders in the Liberal or Labour parties know how to run the country. Someone find a ring master for the show. ::)
What a complete clusterf#ck.
I'll say it again... politics is broken! None of these b-graders can fix it.
It doesn't matter which side of politics you stand on it would appear it is nearly impossible in the modern era of 24/7 media (both reported and social) for a government to serve more than one term without leadership challenges or heavy losses on election day. Add to this factionalism which has become a cancer for both sides of politics. In the wash up after the Howard years the Libs rightfully belittled the Rudd/Gillard governments for the rabble it bestowed upon the Labor party, yet merely 2 years after regaining power the Libs party room stability looks no different to Labors. The worst part of it all is it empowers nutters like Palmer, Lambie and Hanson.
I think it shows an absolute lack of ability to have a vision for Australia, communicate it and take us along for the ride as opposed to short sighted self interested stuff that we're given.
Because there is no grand vision, all the irrelevant rubbish is given to us, including total lack of respect for the PM from journalists. It also leads to a dysfunctional Parliament, as every issue can be made a big deal of due to a lack of cohesion.
As soon as there is an actual leader, the better off the country will be and the better the opposition party will have to be, improving the overall quality of politics. I am not sure if it really matters which side the leader comes from.
Laters Tony.
Abbott is gone, and a good thing too.
I hope we can look forward to a more inclusive government that is ready to tackle the challenges of the 21st century . . . and no more fudging knighthoods!
Good result
Abbott and his hard right like bernadi...andrews...gawn
Hockey gawn...
Even Rupert Murdoch couldn't save Abbott.
Satan has left the building ;D
Now the Labor Party is going to have to get a real leader.
And we still haven't heard from Tone... gone the sooky la la no doubt ::)
Satan has left the building ;D
Now the Labor Party is going to have to get a real leader.
And we still haven't heard from Tone... gone the sooky la la no doubt ::)
Sheez, just 4 days short of his PM retirement benefits, they must have really hated him!
I suppose all those rumors of internal head-kicking might have some substance, revenge is sweet for some!
. . . and no more fudging knighthoods!
....after I get mine! ;D
One of the things that some folk harp on both in this situation is that it's "for the people to select a PM not the party."
We vote for a representative who in most cases is part of a party.
We entrust them with the responsibility to make decisions on our behalf.
Included in those decisions is the 'party housekeeping' things like leadership.
While a leader can influence some peoples views it's more the policy that determines where our votes go.
Labor had every right to choose who led them during their time...the Libs had the same right to make the change they did last night.
Abbott, ever the politician, made an issue of it because it was a tactic designed to cement his position.
The shock-jocks will run with it today.
Satan has left the building ;D
Now the Labor Party is going to have to get a real leader.
And we still haven't heard from Tone... gone the sooky la la no doubt ::)
It is a bit strange that Tone hasn't fronted yet... given he is/was the elected PM, last night he should have made a statement to the media.
Nothing to do with what your political views are - there should have been some sort of formal acknowledgement of the change in leadership from the guy who was the elected PM. Otherwise, how do we know that he accepts what has happened?
Anyway, i'm having a nice bowl of pasta and a glass of wine for lunch today. Welcome to New South Italy. Get the tomatoes planted by cup day.
Dont turn your back on Julie Bishop....she must rattle when she walks past you with all those knives she is carrying....
Prefer Turnbull to Abbott but being a Labor man its just deckchairs on another Titanic.....not that I want Shorten getting the job either and would prefer Labor removed him as leader...
....after I get mine! ;D
One of the things that some folk harp on both in this situation is that it's "for the people to select a PM not the party."
We vote for a representative who in most cases is part of a party.
We entrust them with the responsibility to make decisions on our behalf.
Included in those decisions is the 'party housekeeping' things like leadership.
While a leader can influence some peoples views it's more the policy that determines where our votes go.
Labor had every right to choose who led them during their time...the Libs had the same right to make the change they did last night.
Abbott, ever the politician, made an issue of it because it was a tactic designed to cement his position.
The shock-jocks will run with it today.
Price, Jones, Bolt... their heads just might explode! Deeply conservative, these d1ckheads now have to contend with 'their' party in power but with a leader who openly criticises them as clowns/insignificant. Notice that Janet Albrechtsen has quickly switched camps and gotten behind Turnbull... ah, what a day. There is a god and he/she/it/they aint your friend, Tone.
Price, Jones, Bolt... their heads just might explode! Deeply conservative, these d1ckheads now have to contend with 'their' party in power but with a leader who openly criticises them as clowns/insignificant. Notice that Janet Albrechtsen has quickly switched camps and gotten behind Turnbull... ah, what a day. There is a god and he/she/it/they aint your friend, Tone.
The funniest one of all was Grahame Morris, his comments have almost been wake like! His face on that segment on The Project before the actual vote was unforgettable! ;)
But these are the hard right head kickers, surely they knew what was coming, they have seen A Clockwork Orange haven't they! The Leader and his Droogs all got a kicking in the end!
Dont turn your back on Julie Bishop....she must rattle when she walks past you with all those knives she is carrying....
Prefer Turnbull to Abbott but being a Labor man its just deckchairs on another Titanic.....not that I want Shorten getting the job either and would prefer Labor removed him as leader...
Same, same ;)
Interesting challenge for Labor. It goes without saying that they have to attack Turnbull and Bishop for knifing a PM who was elected by the people (and the Libs already know that it doesn't matter that this might not be technically the case, especially as they argued the opposite when Gillard was PM). Already, Bishop sounds pathetic with her "Don't shoot the messenger" line, trying to suggest she had a duty as Deputy PM to tell Abbott that the backbench wanted him gone.
The next step is to focus on Turnbull's lack of principle in jettisoning his views regarding climate change and gay marriage. To libertarian and swing voters, the ALP has to portray Turnbull as a sellout. What good is it to them if Turnbull thinks like them but has done a deal with the Devil that will see him act like Abbott? To the conservative/far right Wing voters, the ALP has to paint Turnbull as a wolf in sheep's clothing who will betray them at the earliest opportunity.
Well handled, Labor will be able to stoke resentment from the right Wing which will destabilise the Government and exacerbate tension with the Nationals. Leaking and other tactics would help to paint Turnbull as a divisive and autocratic leader. Right Wing voters might look for right Wing alternatives as they did with Pauline Hanson. Meanwhile, centrist voters might be turned off by the sabre-rattling of the conservative Liberals, especially if Turnbull is prevented from shifting policy to the centre.
The problem is that these are contradictory messages. It would be a disaster if rightwing voters remain confident that the conservative Wing of the party has Turnbull by the balls and will use him as a puppet, while the centrist voters firmly believe that Turnbull is playing the right Wing for fools and he'll eventually be able to implement his own agenda.
Tony Abbott has provided a road map, however, for running contradictory lines successfully in negative campaigns and it wouldn't do for the Liberals to whinge about it now.
It doesn't matter which side of politics you stand on it would appear it is nearly impossible in the modern era of 24/7 media (both reported and social) for a government to serve more than one term without leadership challenges or heavy losses on election day. Add to this factionalism which has become a cancer for both sides of politics. In the wash up after the Howard years the Libs rightfully belittled the Rudd/Gillard governments for the rabble it bestowed upon the Labor party, yet merely 2 years after regaining power the Libs party room stability looks no different to Labors. The worst part of it all is it empowers nutters like Palmer, Lambie and Hanson.
I think there is a definite relationship between the volatility of the electorate, the entitlement mentality that middle class welfare has created in Australia, the 24/7 media cycle, partisan media coverage, poll driven political aparatchiks (who exist on all sides) as politicians and what we are seeing. I just don't know which bit came first.
The pole driven aparatchiks grew out of the partisan media coverage. What we see today is the result of years of politicians that fear the media rather than control or manipulate it.
Federal Politics now works in response to the media in the very same way that Carlton's list management does! ;)
Turnbull might actually be the man to break that cycle, he understands social media better than his predecessors. He will fear News Ltd and Fairfax far less!