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Title: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: Baggers on October 22, 2018, 12:27:07 pm
Very interesting article on the AFL's website.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-22/the-coach-ladder-whos-pleasing-the-crowd

To say we scored poorly is a profound understatement. We are seriously on the nose, fortunately we have 2019 to rectify this. Much, much, much work to be done!
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: LP on October 22, 2018, 12:57:59 pm
It's going to be an interesting year!

But I'm not sure we can afford to consign ourselves to yet another rebuild under another new coach, so I am keen to see if BB can work with what he's got available, something he seemed to lack last season!
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: JonHenry on October 22, 2018, 04:06:27 pm
Yep, I reckon BB has 8 weeks.
We need some wins (2-3) and much better defensive efforts.
Guys running around the half back line looking lost while their opponents swarm past won't satisfy.
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: cookie2 on October 22, 2018, 05:45:18 pm
Yep, I reckon BB has 8 weeks.
We need some wins (2-3) and much better defensive efforts.
Guys running around the half back line looking lost while their opponents swarm past won't satisfy.

Is that when Wallsy's first report and scorecard for the board is due?  ;)
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: Professer E on October 22, 2018, 07:01:31 pm
I reckon Pyke would want to have a better year or the lynch mob might ride into town.
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: Baggers on October 22, 2018, 07:03:23 pm
It's going to be an interesting year!

But I'm not sure we can afford to consign ourselves to yet another rebuild under another new coach, so I am keen to see if BB can work with what he's got available, something he seemed to lack last season!

Doesn't have to follow that new coach means another rebuild, Spotted One. Plenty of senior coaches come in an work with what they inherit and succeed, especially if the list is good (obviously). But it does seem that the Board is giving BB every chance to succeed now... much better list, a fitness guru who he is familiar with, and so on.

But, until I see tangible improvement where it counts (W/L ratio) I'm in the skeptics corner re BB (and would be rapt to be wrong) and there'd want to be significant improvement by mid year or earlier.
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: Amers on October 22, 2018, 07:06:07 pm
Bolts will needs wins early and to end outside the bottom 4 to be any chance of still being at the club in 2020 IMO.

Probably stating the obvious...
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 22, 2018, 07:09:08 pm
I reckon Pyke would want to have a better year or the lynch mob might ride into town.

Pyke's history if the Crows are not top 8 and winning at least one final IMO.......
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: northernblue on October 23, 2018, 04:42:56 am
Sorry, if the club is influenced by Kermit the Frog and Fozzie Bear, then we really do have the wrong people in charge.
“Good leaders make decisions quickly and change them slowly”

When you’re playing Daisy, Lamb and Murphy off Hb, with kpd missing through form and injury and you wonder why the team got smashed each week...?
From 1/2 time game 1 the team was under seige and played accordingly for the year.

#holepluggerswereus
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: laj on October 23, 2018, 10:17:08 am
It's going to be an interesting year!

But I'm not sure we can afford to consign ourselves to yet another rebuild under another new coach, so I am keen to see if BB can work with what he's got available, something he seemed to lack last season!

Won't be another rebuild. A new coach would just carry on, similar to what Beverige did after McCartney, Goodwin after Roos. We've basically rebuilt now just have to improve and develop.

No excuse for Bolts next year. Last year was just pure rubbish, injuries or not. Some of worst crap i've seen. A good coach would revel with our current young list.
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: DJC on October 23, 2018, 08:56:38 pm
Sorry, if the club is influenced by Kermit the Frog and Fozzie Bear, then we really do have the wrong people in charge.
“Good leaders make decisions quickly and change them slowly”

When you’re playing Daisy, Lamb and Murphy off Hb, with kpd missing through form and injury and you wonder why the team got smashed each week...?
From 1/2 time game 1 the team was under seige and played accordingly for the year.

#holepluggerswereus

Stop making sense NB ... you could get banned  ;)
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: Sexybronco on October 24, 2018, 04:08:34 pm
Stop making sense NB ... you could get banned  ;)

Give him a temporary suspension until he smartens up and gets back to talking crap like the rest of us!
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: Jack Burton on October 24, 2018, 05:29:08 pm
Maybe a suspended suspension?
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: northernblue on October 24, 2018, 05:54:51 pm
Sometimes I wish I could get banned... ????
????
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: kruddler on October 24, 2018, 06:07:14 pm
They were saying on the radio this morning that the way this is being played out, they expect him to STILL be able to make a comeback next year.

Essentially, because it all happened in the past.
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: Professer E on October 24, 2018, 10:30:11 pm
I call bull crap on the AFL then.   Drugs policy?  What drug policy?    But he's a good bloke,  its all in the past...
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 24, 2018, 10:50:05 pm
I call bull crap on the AFL then.   Drugs policy?  What drug policy?    But he's a good bloke,  its all in the past...

Important player for GWS to have back on the list...AFL sure to bend the rules to suit....three strikes is meant to put you out of the game but we all know if you are a marquis player
then that rule doesnt apply either....
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: madbluboy on October 25, 2018, 10:40:49 am
They were saying on the radio this morning that the way this is being played out, they expect him to STILL be able to make a comeback next year.

Essentially, because it all happened in the past.

Yeah I'm not buying the 3 years ago story.
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: LP on October 25, 2018, 10:50:29 am
Yeah I'm not buying the 3 years ago story.

If it was 3 years ago doesn't that make a joke of the AFL Drug testing?

How would you think Ahmed Saad, Josh Thomas and Lachie Keeffe feel about it?

So I agree, it sounds like bullcrap, a poorly thought through story somebody has made up at short notice that should cause an even bigger problem.

If it doesn't then you basically know the AFL are complicit in covering things up!
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: laj on October 25, 2018, 07:05:49 pm
If it was 3 years ago doesn't that make a joke of the AFL Drug testing?

How would you think Ahmed Saad, Josh Thomas and Lachie Keeffe feel about it?

So I agree, it sounds like bullcrap, a poorly thought through story somebody has made up at short notice that should cause an even bigger problem.

If it doesn't then you basically know the AFL are complicit in covering things up!

Those 3 were caught with performance enhancing drugs, this was a illicit drugs. Did well to escape getting caught!
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: Professer E on October 25, 2018, 08:52:27 pm
Illicit drugs are a no no as well under the code.   I believe that if you've got them in you system (test positive) on game day it is the same as being caught with PEDs.... Unless you play for cheats FC.
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: laj on October 26, 2018, 08:48:43 am
Illicit drugs are a no no as well under the code.   I believe that if you've got them in you system (test positive) on game day it is the same as being caught with PEDs.... Unless you play for cheats FC.

Yes, that's right with some illicit drugs. If it's not on game day though they are not illegal under the WADA Code. Mumford's wasn't on game day so it's only comes under the AFL Illicit Drug Code.
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: LP on October 26, 2018, 11:27:27 am
Yes, that's right with some illicit drugs. If it's not on game day though they are not illegal under the WADA Code. Mumford's wasn't on game day so it's only comes under the AFL Illicit Drug Code.

As I understand hair testing exposes cocaine drug use for months after the event, and Mumford has a beard!

Wasn't there much related derision and speculation targeted at Dusty shaving down?

So do we assume Mumford is on a strike under the AFL's own code, or if someone goes back through old footage will we suddenly find Mumford unexpectedly clean shaven?

btw., As I understand it hair drug testing works from the detection of residue in the follicle cells not the actual hair, the cells in the follicle turnover about every 90 days, while the actual hair can remain intact for months or even years.
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: Professer E on October 26, 2018, 01:46:04 pm
We have a lot of dramas at work with the class 2 drugs because they don't show up in a standard urine test after a very short time frame.   Thus, they get ripped on these drugs in lieu of using alcohol on the weekend or at shift change and they then front up for work in ostensibly a decent physical state.   I know they are using but there's nothibg I can do about it without a positive.   Mention hair testing and the unions go into meltdown.

But it's all contingent upon the company providing a safe workplace.... Try telling the dumb Kents we have on site with the issues I mention above.
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: LP on October 27, 2018, 11:27:10 am
I know ProfE, and it's not just illicit stuff.

We've big worksafe bills to pay because some bloke has been affected by prescription medication and we've had to pay his or somebody else's rehabilitation bills because his mental state led to an accident. The lawyers argue we had a duty of care, but by law we cannot do the tests for that stuff and even if we did it's not illegal anyway! Apparently we are guilty for someone's private addiction to prescription medication that sees them use it outside the doctors guidelines!

On the packet it states in big letters it states something like, "Do not take this medication if operating machinery" That keeps the drug company and the doctor in the clear but we are still liable! How the feck does that work?

If he was drink driving or drunk at work we could test for it and stop him, but because he has a prescription medication for a diagnosed medical condition that is privileged information and we cannot discriminate!
Title: Re: Club & Coach Ratings
Post by: Professer E on October 27, 2018, 02:52:10 pm
I share your pain mate.   At induction they are all told  1. front up  fit to work and 2. I don't care if you think you can chain chuff twenty cones and then fly the space shuttle, anything that effects judgement renders you unfit for work under the duty of care legislation ... And we have to provide a safe workplace, period.   Yet I and the company are liable for the idiotic acts these cretins do.   Nobody in their right mind aspires to operational management,  it's all about legal ar$e covering for the state not practical safety for the common worker.