Another Thursday night. I really hate that. I've got to get up and work. I can never get to sleep after a game.
Tiggers are almost back to their rabid, feral best. We need to be so much better than last night to match it with them. Lynch will be back I think I read, that will cause us a headache.
Tiggers are almost back to their rabid, feral best. We need to be so much better than last night to match it with them. Lynch will be back I think I read, that will cause us a headache.
I agree it will be a toughie, but the Tigers are not exactly flying. They were a bit lucky against Port on Thurs. Lynch does give them another dimension.
This one will be won in the middle, as both sides have good forwards - whoever gets most of the centre clearances will probably outscore the other.
Win this one and we are serious contenders. Richmond are travelling ok and if we can pull it off with a number of patchwork fill ins, we are in a good spot. Also consider that it is great that players play for a full season, but 'in season' injuries can have their advantages. Come finals, Pittonet, Marchbank, Weitering, McKay, Williams etc should not have battle weary bodies due to long layoffs during the season. Keep winning (ugly or beautifully, I don't care!!) and banking the 4 points, and look forward to what might be by the end of the year.
I agree it will be a toughie, but the Tigers are not exactly flying. They were a bit lucky against Port on Thurs. Lynch does give them another dimension.
This one will be won in the middle, as both sides have good forwards - whoever gets most of the centre clearances will probably outscore the other.
And in the middle, TDK/SOS vs Tank/Soldo. I didn't realise how short Nank is (listed as 199) and how effin big Soldo is (listed as 204). Our Rucks will be up against it, the mids need to nullify that advantage.
Tigers will be tough with Lynch, Lambert back in plus they were missing Vlastuin and Prestia who got injured early in our previous encounter and he was playing well. No Pittonet either for us this time which means TDK vs another thug in Nankervis and his mate Soldo which will be tiring after banging bodies with Draper in the wet.
One positive is Dusty is still far from his best , looks a tad disinterested and as Tonyo suggested the Tigers as a team are just going at the minute without being brilliant.
Good test for Voss and the coaching staff given the difficulty in a few matchups and I was impressed with Voss doing a number on the team at 3/4 time vs Essendon and demanding more from them.
Young has been a fine recruit and impressed again vs Essendon and hopefully can do the job against Lynch who must be thankful Weitering isnt playing....
I don't rate their defence and need to do everything we can to get repeat inside 50s because they will catch us on the outside alot.
Will be interesting to see how Sam Durdin goes today. He might come into consideration although he'd be coming off a pretty short break to play on Thursday night. He's probably the match up for Lynch but Young might get the job.
If Dow plays well he could come in for Cerra?
Owies/Durdin/Fisher were all a bit quiet last night but reckon their speed and pressure will be needed next week.
Can't see too many changes being made other than Cerra out.
Will be interesting to see how Sam Durdin goes today. He might come into consideration although he'd be coming off a pretty short break to play on Thursday night. He's probably the match up for Lynch but Young might get the job.
If Dow plays well he could come in for Cerra?
Owies/Durdin/Fisher were all a bit quiet last night but reckon their speed and pressure will be needed next week.
Can't see too many changes being made other than Cerra out.
Look at game time from the VFL. Whoever gets dragged at 3/4 time are the ones who are likely to come in off the short break.
Late in 1st quarter and Mirkov done quite a few good things....Kemp playing as a "tall" defender with Durdin.
We can flood back to help Young and co but no one can help Silvagni and De Koning in the ruck. TDK held his own last night but Jack was flogged.
The ruck is the area I'm really concerned about. Richmond's rucks usually play well against us. This week we were killed in the centre square. That happens on Thursday, and we are toast.
Tom de Koning gives it his all, but he isn't a great ruckman. Jack tried his guts out, but real rucks hurt us. We are really missing Pitto.
TDK isnt starring but doing a solid job. I've actually been very happy with his output. SOS is a scrapper in the middle and if the ball hits the ground he is unbeatable against other rucks. So other rucks need to be on their game or Jack will win the clearance. Cat and Mouse... but yeah need Pitto back to bash and crash.
TDK isnt starring but doing a solid job. I've actually been very happy with his output. SOS is a scrapper in the middle and if the ball hits the ground he is unbeatable against other rucks. So other rucks need to be on their game or Jack will win the clearance. Cat and Mouse... but yeah need Pitto back to bash and crash.
Agree on SOS. If he scraps it out and stops the opposition getting clean possession then he's doing his job imo.
TDK isnt starring but doing a solid job. I've actually been very happy with his output. SOS is a scrapper in the middle and if the ball hits the ground he is unbeatable against other rucks. So other rucks need to be on their game or Jack will win the clearance. Cat and Mouse... but yeah need Pitto back to bash and crash.
Jack only comes into it at centre bounces if he nullifies the other ruckman. If Nankervis/Soldo get a clean hitout, the Richmond mids will be on their way unless we shark the ball or force a secondary ball up.
Around the ground is a different matter as Jack or Cripps are strong enough to affect or even win hitouts, and Harry is doing OK with the forward 50 ruck contests.
Mirkov was soundly beaten by Bryan on Saturday and Sam Durdin looks like he will need a month or so of Kreuzer's tuition before he could be competitive against the likes of Nankervis.
Our lack of ruck strength/depth is an issue but, to the credit of our coaching group, we have a solution that minimises the impact of the opposition rucks.
TDK has done well, only Witts and Darcy really thrashed him and they were 2 of our 3 losses.
Jack battles to negate but was unsuccessful on Friday night and our midfield was smashed in the clearances.
A positive will be the experience TDK has had and what a weapon he will be when Pittonet comes back.
TDK has done well, only Witts and Darcy really thrashed him and they were 2 of our 3 losses.
Jack battles to negate but was unsuccessful on Friday night and our midfield was smashed in the clearances.
A positive will be the experience TDK has had and what a weapon he will be when Pittonet comes back.
Smashed in centre bounce clearances but we won the stoppage clearances convincingly. I suspect that our coaching group will be tweaking our centre bounce set up this week.
Yes, young Tom is on a steep learning curve and Pitto's absence will have accelerated his development. Giving Pitto a break when the main opposition ruck is tired or having a spell should be ideal for Tom. He will also provide an alternative to Harry and Charlie as a marking target when we go long down the line.
I get the idea that jsos was a bit of a surprise that most ruckmen weren't planning for and now rucks are taking him a bit more seriously and planning on how to use the ruck advantage when he's up against them.
Opposition midfield have worked it out too which is why jsos has not been as effective lately.
Usually the No 2 rucks tend to face off with each other when the No 1's are having a rest but I noticed Jack copped a fair bit of Draper rather than Philips. Nank and Soldo will be even harder as both are that body on body type rucks and like it rough, I thought Jack was competitive and did ok at ground level and has been value most of the season but you have to expect its not going keep on that way and teams will plan a bit more to take advantage of the mismatch.
After Richmond its Freo with Darcy and Lobb and for me you need to break even or take them out of the game to beat Freo.
I agree it will be a toughie, but the Tigers are not exactly flying. They were a bit lucky against Port on Thurs. Lynch does give them another dimension.
This one will be won in the middle, as both sides have good forwards - whoever gets most of the centre clearances will probably outscore the other.
Agree and our last 2 games we haven't been as strong in the middle as we were earlier in the year and we need to revert back to that form to win this one.
In a weird way I prefer Lynch plays even though we are short down back as they become much more predicable where the ball goes forward and i think we can plan to get numbers to the drop as their smalls are where i think we are more at risk then the talls. Sure Lynch and Riewoldt will probably still kick 5 or 6 between them but still think we are as good or better chance to beat them if we know where the ball is heading more often then not.
We have as many or more weapons in my opinion across the park except the small forwards area. Hold them to a few goals and we will get them again.
Bloody hope im right.
Agree and our last 2 games we haven't been as strong in the middle as we were earlier in the year and we need to revert back to that form to win this one.
In a weird way I prefer Lynch plays even though we are short down back as they become much more predicable where the ball goes forward and i think we can plan to get numbers to the drop as their smalls are where i think we are more at risk then the talls. Sure Lynch and Riewoldt will probably still kick 5 or 6 between them but still think we are as good or better chance to beat them if we know where the ball is heading more often then not.
We have as many or more weapons in my opinion across the park except the small forwards area. Hold them to a few goals and we will get them again.
Bloody hope im right.
Problem will be if they play Balta forward IMO, that gives them three genuine tall targets who all will have a size and strength advantage, hoping he has to play down back to help cover Charlie and Harry.
We are down on a few troops and they will have a few important ones back which as the Demons showed today can leave you vulnerable.....50/50 this game IMO, wasnt overly impressed how we ran out the last quarter vs Essendon.
Problem will be if they play Balta forward IMO, that gives them three genuine tall targets who all will have a size and strength advantage, hoping he has to play down back to help cover Charlie and Harry.
We are down on a few troops and they will have a few important ones back which as the Demons showed today can leave you vulnerable.....50/50 this game IMO, wasnt overly impressed how we ran out the last quarter vs Essendon.
Understand EB but as you rightly point out playing Balta forward as well will make them top heavy and leave them very venerable against our twin towers.
I dunno maybe I'm being too positive but I think I have converted from being ultra negative to quietly confident against all but maybe 2-3 teams that our best is good enough if even if our opposition do the same.
Yes we have a few blokes down but this mob are not even in the 8 and no where near the power they were. They are not easy beats but if our mids play as well as they did earlier in the year and we cash in on clearances we have enough strike power to get the points again.
On a side thought...with Marc Murphy & Krouzer retired and Ed Curnow not playing at the moment, Andrew Phillips would be challenged in recognising many players in the Carlton team he was playing against. It really showed how much we have turned the list over in recent years.
And thank goodness we did!
Dusty is in doubt for this week which would
make our job down back at little easier.
Dusty is in doubt for this week which would
make our job down back at little easier.
Is this reported somewhere?
I think this is possibly our most important game so far this year. Win, and we are well on the way to a top 4 finish. Lose, and we are right back in the scrambling pack. With Saints and Freo to follow, it's a big month coming.
Looks like only 9 teams left in a race for a finals berth, although Suns are a real chance looking at the draw.
Here's a list of the run home for the last 10 games......capitals is the home team
BL : bye, MEL, wb, ess, GWS, gcs, RIC, car, STK, mel
MEL : bye, bl, ADE, GEE, pa, WB, FRE, col, car, BL
FRE : bye, CAR, pa, STK, ss, RIC, mel, WB, wce, GWS
CAR : RIC, fre, stk, WCE, gee, gws, ADE, BL, MEL, col
GEE : WCE, ric, nm, mel, CAR, PA, wb, stk, GCS, wce
STK : ess, SS, CAR, fre, WB, WCE, haw, stk, bl, ss
SS : PA, stk, ESS, wb, FRE, ade, gws, NM, col, STK
COL : bye, gws, GCS, nm, ADE, ess, pa, MEL, SS, CAR
RIC : car, GEE, wce, GCS, NM, fre, bl, PA, haw, ess
WB : GWS, haw, BL, SS, stk, mel, GEE, fre, gws, HAW
GCS : ade, PA, col, ric, ESS, BL, wce, HAW, gee, NM
The rest are toast for ths year.
Is this reported somewhere?
Martin was in Sydney for a funeral on Friday but there’s nothing to suggest that he won’t play this week.
I firmly believe there are only 9 teams left in the race .. the rest are stuffed.
We'll get there. Bet on it
Is this reported somewhere?
Hardwick said he's in doubt.
After Collingwood knocked off Melbourne yesterday I have some serious misgivings about Thursday.
1. Usually when you face a rival twice, the swings and roundabouts tend to give a game either way.
2. We are at that critical mass of injury. Our backline isn't that strong without weiters and with the talls Richmond have, this could be problematic.
3. Looking at the ladder this game will blow the competition wide open if the Tigers win. If we win, it will almost create seperation between top 4 and the rest. The AFL wont like that. Expect numerous questionable decisions.
4. Rain could be a huge factor on Thursday.
Hardwick said he's in doubt.
Not sure he’ll make a huge difference , much rather Lynch not playing then Dusty on present form.
Martin has been underperforming for the champion player he can be , he’s not been the usual menacing threat he is capable of being since returning from his issues.
Not sure he’ll make a huge difference , much rather Lynch not playing then Dusty on present form.
Martin has been underperforming for the champion player he can be , he’s not been the usual menacing threat he is capable of being since returning from his issues.
Short, Baker, Bolton, Nank, Jack R, Lynch and Prestia (if he doesnt break something) are who we need to keep in check.
Short, Baker, Bolton, Nank, Jack R, Lynch and Prestia (if he doesnt break something) are who we need to keep in check.
I thought I heard Prestia was already an out?
I think TDK better beef up his health insurance this week. He has a big night ahead of him.
I think TDK better beef up his health insurance this week. He has a big night ahead of him.
Better make it a team policy, Nank doesnt discriminate on who who sticks his knees into or elbows on the sly and has a habit of winding up on top of who ever he tackles and using them for leverage when he gets up.
Marchbank had knee surgery today.. 8 weeks, poor guy I think he's done.
I thought I heard Prestia was already an out?
Didnt hear that, Dusty is doubtful due to illness.
Marchbank had knee surgery today.. 8 weeks, poor guy I think he's done.
Stick a fork in the poor bastard, he is done. His body cannot and will not stand up to the rigours of AFL footy.
Marchbank had knee surgery today.. 8 weeks, poor guy I think he's done.
That completely changes the complexion of Thurs game. I honestly thought he could do a role, now Durdin and maybe Kemp have to come in with the former clearly not upto speed on how we play. On the job training I guess.
If only we had a mid season draft to pick up a couple of key position players.
Got to feel for Caleb Marchbank, nice young bloke from the interviews I have seen but he just cant stand up to the punishment you have to endure playing senior footy and its probably time for him to call it quits and find another role in the game if possible.
If only we had a mid season draft to pick up a couple of key position players.
Lets hope Will Hayes has a growth spurt between now and Thursday......
That's gotta be it for Marchbank now? 49 games of senior footy in 8 years suggests his body just won't stand up to it.
Key Defender is now the priority in trade period surely given both McGovern and McDonald are so unreliable too. Young is good and will make it, but still only played minimal games.
Might have no option but to play Durdin this week? They'll likely have Lynch back, alongside Reiwoldt and one of the resting ruckman pushing forward. Crikey, throw Mirkov in the deep end too.
Stick a fork in the poor bastard, he is done. His body cannot and will not stand up to the rigours of AFL footy.
They're not re-occuring issues. His injuries have been neck, knee reco and meniscus. That just pure bad luck. Not as if he is getting consistent soft tissue injuries and constant stress fractures for example. He'll be ok. We had a Test Cricket captain miss 6 years. Look at him now.
Marchbank had knee surgery today.. 8 weeks, poor guy I think he's done.
Very good player that can't get on the park a shame.
Opportunity for Kemp to stake his claim and keep his spot in the side.
I watched Durdin in the 2s on Sunday - did enough to suggest he can play without being a standout, but the step up to a Thursday night debut may be a big leap. I'd rather go with Kemp, who could even swing forward if needed.
I watched Durdin in the 2s on Sunday - did enough to suggest he can play without being a standout, but the step up to a Thursday night debut may be a big leap. I'd rather go with Kemp, who could even swing forward if needed.
maybe both come in
I watched Durdin in the 2s on Sunday - did enough to suggest he can play without being a standout, but the step up to a Thursday night debut may be a big leap. I'd rather go with Kemp, who could even swing forward if needed.
Just worth pointing out that Durdin has played 21 games of senior footy while on the Kangas list, so CARLTON debut sure, but he has been around the block a few times already.
I watched Durdin in the 2s on Sunday - did enough to suggest he can play without being a standout, but the step up to a Thursday night debut may be a big leap. I'd rather go with Kemp, who could even swing forward if needed.
Lets remember, he played 21 AFL games, albeit for Norf, so he isn't exactly a newby. Probably both need to come in, I m sure Kemp can be given a role in defence. We are running out of options.
Lets remember, he played 21 AFL games, albeit for Norf, so he isn't exactly a newby. Probably both need to come in, I m sure Kemp can be given a role in defence. We are running out of options.
Last man standing, get's a game unless we try Kemp down back again......
Tom Lynch will play.
Dusty is in doubt for this week which would
make our job down back at little easier.
https://www.zerohanger.com/tigers-star-no-certainty-for-blues-bout-121924/
Can anyone lend our boys a hand here? KPD role up for grabs.
PS.
I'm crying inside 😭
Lets remember, he played 21 AFL games, albeit for Norf, so he isn't exactly a newby. Probably both need to come in, I m sure Kemp can be given a role in defence. We are running out of options.
Yes, I am aware he played with North - I will be more than happy to be surprised by his performance if he plays well.
My team this week
My team this week
Funny thing is when you look at this team on paper it still looks bloody strong.
Maybe I’m delusional!
Funny thing is when you ok at this team on paper it still looks body strong.
Maybe I’m delusional!
S Durdin, whilst new at Carlton, isn't expected to replace Weiters like for like completely, that's impossible and a nonsense to expect it. What I do expect is for him to stand an opponent of equal size and give effort and decent account of himself. He'll need the help of his team mates but if he does the above, that's about all we can ask.
Jack Riewoldt 193 92
Lachie Plowman 193 90
Brodie Kemp 193 87
Riewoldt isn't in career best form by any stretch. Young on Lynch, Plowman on Riewoldt. Bring back Stocker on the HBF
Stocker in please, need some mongrel against these guys
Stocker in please, need some mongrel against these guys
Likely the logical replacement for Caleb.
Tall Durds certainly improved as the game wore on last Saturday, but is he ready? Another week or two in the Magoos or give him the challenge?
"Injuries are no excuse" is a saying we often hear or see written.
It's a nonsense football cliche...like "taking it one week at a time"
Injuries are an excuse.
There's probably a subtle difference between an 'excuse' and a 'reason' for a loss.
When a club, coach or supporter points to injury problems it's seen as an 'excuse'.
When an independent observer or journo points to injury problems it's a 'reason'
Excuses haven't saved a Carlton coach in the last twenty years.
If we were 3-9 instead of 9-3 Voss would be under all sorts of scrutiny as would those that selected him.
Carlton injury list
Adam Cerra Hamstring 2 weeks
David Cuningham Knee TBC
Ed Curnow Calf 2-3 weeks
Caleb Marchbank Knee 6-8 weeks
Oscar McDonald Back Season
Mitch McGovern Hamstring 4-6 weeks
Luke Parks Foot 7 weeks
Marc Pittonet Knee 4 weeks
Jacob Weitering Shoulder 4 weeks
Zac Williams Calf 6-8 weeks
Richmond injury list
Tom Lynch Hamstring Test
Dustin Martin Illness Test
If Martin and Lynch play they'll be at full strength
I personally can't see us winning this game....but have hope that sometimes when the odds are stacked you get a great response.
We may be in the contest for a while but in the end we'll probably be overwhelmed.
If we lose we'll probably see comments about how we aren't as good as some thought.
Players will be required to carry the weight of others as well as their own tasks...especially in the ruck and defence.
Players will no doubt be criticised for not being up to it, with little acknowledgement that the support normally available won't be there.
If we do win it will be an outstanding effort.
There is one good side to an extended injury list - it gives second-string players the chance to take more responsibility and potentially take their game to a new level. With the obvious proviso that enough games are won to stay in the hunt, towards the end of the season we may be in a far better position depth-wise than if we had the same 22 fit every week.
Sure, some may not be quite up to it, but others may find an extra gear that could be very handy in a clutch game.
The next three games will be tough, but if we can pinch one, we'll still be in good nick at 10-5.
Durds confirmed in for Thursday. Its a necessity really.
Full strength Richmond team will trouble all teams. We all knew that sooner or later we would get found out down back if Weitering got injured after losing Jones and we have actually done better than I thought with Young performing above expectations and players like Newman also lifting their games so while it's been disappointing to have so many injuries we may benefit down the track with these other players enhancing their abilities and we should have a very decent backline with everyone fit.
If we lose to Richmond it's not a disaster, just more bad timing with us being down on troops and them having most of their regulars available. They had a few out in the first round and then lost Prestia early so its swings and roundabouts with injuries affecting outcomes.
Win and it's a real bonus, lose and it's no time to panic..
To be fair, most of our injured players are fringe players and/or those who can be covered quite well. The two exceptions are Pittonet and Weitering.
Hopefully, the taller Durdin can play a role for us on Thursday and our mids and forwards will get the job done.
To be fair, most of our injured players are fringe players and/or those who can be covered quite well. The two exceptions are Pittonet and Weitering.
Hopefully, the taller Durdin can play a role for us on Thursday and our mids and forwards will get the job done.
Our 3 key defenders and number 1 ruck are missing from our rd 1 side that beat Richmond.
Durds confirmed in for Thursday. Its a necessity really.
Should have played last week.
If we win tomorrow night I'm starting to really believe.....
How can they have no injuries..... I cant remember us having a full list to choose from,
I reckon we have them in midfield and they will struggle with our forward line. however we will need all of the stars to line up. At least Durds is over 190cm.... Cerra is a loss.
Bottom line is we have plenty of excuses if we get done :)) :)) :)) :))
They were the one team who contained Harry and Charlie, that was with Balta playing forward. Think Tarrant beat McKay and Grimes beat Charlie.
In rd 1 it was our midfield that got them with DeKoning's fresh legs jumping all over ghem in ghe ruck in yhe last term. Unfortunately without Pittonet to wear them down it won't happen this time.
Tigers by 26 points.
Our 3 key defenders and number 1 ruck are missing from our rd 1 side that beat Richmond.
Yes, but Young is an upgrade on McDonald and McGovern has only played two games as a defender. Both have been covered more than adequately.
Essentially, it's Setterfield, Cerra, McDonald, McGovern, Pittonet, Williamson, Weitering and Williams out and probably Young, Walsh, Newnes, Cottrell, S Durdin, Boyd, Plowman and a replacement for Cerra in. It's Pitto and Weiters that we will miss on Thursday.
Yes, but Young is an upgrade on McDonald and McGovern has only played two games as a defender. Both have been covered more than adequately.
Essentially, it's Setterfield, Cerra, McDonald, McGovern, Pittonet, Williamson, Weitering and Williams out and probably Young, Walsh, Newnes, Cottrell, S Durdin, Boyd, Plowman and a replacement for Cerra in. It's Pitto and Weiters that we will miss on Thursday.
Young was very good last week bouncing back from a rough game the week before.
Upgrade? Not sure. Even you rated McDonald and McGov after rd 1. Here are your thoughts.
Team: A for a consistent team performance and finally breaking the Tiger hoodoo 🙂
5 - Cripps
4 - Kennedy
3 - Cerra
2 - McGovern
1 - Saad
HMs to Hewett, Docherty, Pittonet, Durdin, Weitering and McDonald
I agree we need to play Durdin. Kemp was towelled up by the talls in the game against Essendon VFL. But I’m pessimistic. Durdin’s NM highlights all seemed to involve him being a loose interceptor. Weitering’s highlight reel would almost exclusively involve using his body to move big forwards out of position in order to take easy marks. Even Young’s highlight reel would now be similar. The fact he wasn’t played on the 199cm Stewart and was knocked out of a marking contest with him in their only one-on-one marking contest worries me.
His kicking is good which is a plus but they all seem to be well-flighted. I’m not sure I’ve seem him kick the sort of raking passes Weitering, Young and the Gov have produced. On the plus side, he can chip short passes accurately and kick long. But the short chips are much safer at the lower level. At AFL level, forwards and mids close in on chip kicks much more quickly.
Fingers crossed, though, that he’ll show those doubts are unfounded. It seemed he stayed with opponents on long leads last week, so maybe he has good mobility.
Presumably, Young will take Lynch if he plays and Durdin will have to pick up either Riewoldt or Balta. While he has a height advantage on both, Riewoldt uses his body well in marking contests and he’s smart when the ball hits the ground while Balta is heavier and very athletic. Playing man-on-man on either will be a huge challenge for him.
We know that the Tigers’ strategy is for the talls to make sure the ball goes to ground if they can’t mark it so their smalls can swarm. Bodying Jumping Jack to make sure he can’t launch is vital as he can make it difficult to intercept. And being able to block for Young and Doc to intercept is vital as well. Intercept marks will be like gold.
Voss says Durdin will play:
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Ex-Roo to make Blues debut, 15 days after being drafted, (https://www.afl.com.au/news/780518/ex-roo-to-make-blues-debut-15-days-after-being-drafted) afl.com.au.
Young still needs to build up his strength as he gets pushed aside a bit and Lynch will be a test. End of the day, it's Young and Durdin as it stands...nothing we can do about it. Hopefullly win more than our share of the ball up the ground and in the middle and give Harry/Charlie and the smalls plenty of opportunities.
I'd prefer Stocker in this week as opposed to Boyd....his disposal isn't as good but bigger, stronger and doesn't mind the physical stuff.
Young was very good last week bouncing back from a rough game the week before.
Upgrade? Not sure. Even you rated McDonald and McGov after rd 1. Here are your thoughts.
Team: A for a consistent team performance and finally breaking the Tiger hoodoo 🙂
5 - Cripps
4 - Kennedy
3 - Cerra
2 - McGovern
1 - Saad
HMs to Hewett, Docherty, Pittonet, Durdin, Weitering and McDonald
Yes, both McGovern and McDonald played well in Round 1.
The thing is that the better teams can cover injured players and I think that we have more than adequately covered those two.
We have fudged a solution to Pitto’s absence that has worked in part and particularly when our opponent doesn’t have a strong ruck combination.
Weitering’s injury unsettled our defence against Collingwood and Young’s performance suffered as a consequence. The addition of Marchbank and, presumably, Hamill’s tweaking of our defensive roles, resulted in a better performance against admittedly mediocre opponents last round.
Richmond’s forwards, with Lynch back and if Dusty plays, are a different kettle of potatoes and Young and Durdin will have their hands full. They should break even, if we can limit Richmond’s forward 50 entries.
It will depend on whether our midfield can counter Richmond’s likely ruck dominance and whether we can control possession. A positive for us is that Harry and Charlie are in much better form than they were in Round 1.
Yes, both McGovern and McDonald played well in Round 1.
The thing is that the better teams can cover injured players and I think that we have more than adequately covered those two.
We have fudged a solution to Pitto’s absence that has worked in part and particularly when our opponent doesn’t have a strong ruck combination.
Weitering’s injury unsettled our defence against Collingwood and Young’s performance suffered as a consequence. The addition of Marchbank and, presumably, Hamill’s tweaking of our defensive roles, resulted in a better performance against admittedly mediocre opponents last round.
Richmond’s forwards, with Lynch back and if Dusty plays, are a different kettle of potatoes and Young and Durdin will have their hands full. They should break even, if we can limit Richmond’s forward 50 entries.
It will depend on whether our midfield can counter Richmond’s likely ruck dominance and whether we can control possession. A positive for us is that Harry and Charlie are in much better form than they were in Round 1.
I think Collingwood have a weird forward line with a lot of non standard type players who are difficult matchups and its a bit like playing the Adams family TV show characters. They can hurt you if they get decent supply and thats where we lost the game and while I appreciate Weitering was missing I still think we would have lost but as the Pies have shown even the other good teams are struggling what to make of them. Richmond are a lot more traditional and I expect a more standard game style with less surprises.
There is talk Soldo might not play because of the conditions and us only playing one ruckman and that Balta would be their 2nd ruckman. dont see Dusty playing and Lambert will probably replace him.
beat tigers,bring pressure tackles have to stick and last one team defence ,DEFEND with numbers no space in there forward line
beat tigers,bring pressure tackles have to stick and last one team defence ,DEFEND with numbers no space in there forward line
Gonna be tuff, the create space in their fwd line by manic and relentless running, it will be a tuff one.
Our 3 key defenders and number 1 ruck are missing from our rd 1 side that beat Richmond.
Not only that, 3 of our 'next best' defenders are also injured/unavailable - Marchbank,Parks and Williamson.
Cottrell and Durdin in..... makes sense.
Dusty and Soldo out for them. Makes JSOS's life a bit easier!
My team this week
I picked my team without looking at yours.
Only difference was Stocker for Kemp.
It appears neither are in the team, but Boyd is.
Cottrell and Durdin in..... makes sense.
Dusty and Soldo out for them. Makes JSOS's life a bit easier!
I reckon Soldo will come back in some how. That evens it right up with both teams going in with one ruckman. The running power and fwd line is still a worry.
Go Blues
Happy to see Dusty out but probably preferred the lumbering Soldo in rather than Lambert in what will probably be damp conditions. Balta playing as 2nd ruckman might be a nuisance given his athletic abilities and size......
Cottrell and Durdin in..... makes sense.
Dusty and Soldo out for them. Makes JSOS's life a bit easier!
I like the line up I think Cotts has been very good when called upon and Good Luck to Sam Durdin - go well big man.
P.S no injuries first 10 minutes PLEASE.
Happy to see Dusty out but probably preferred the lumbering Soldo in rather than Lambert in what will probably be damp conditions. Balta playing as 2nd ruckman might be a nuisance given his athletic abilities and size......
Balta - SOS will be a good match up to watch I reckon. Same height, Balta has a few extra kegs, our bloke is a Silvagni though so be prepared for "war" Noah.
Balta - SOS will be a good match up to watch I reckon. Same height, Balta has a few extra kegs, our bloke is a Silvagni though so be prepared for "war" Noah.
Jack has Balta covered and the latter will be missed in defence.
I'm a lot more confident now that Dusty and Soldo are out. I think we'll get the job done but I would be more confident if we had Kemp or Stocker in the 22 in place of Boyd ... who will probably play a blinder now ::)
Sam Durdin reminds of that other Sam; Rowe, who did a great job even if most supporters had their hearts in their mouths every time he got near the pill :o
A few Tigers supporters I’ve talked to aren’t much impressed by Tarrant. They feel he just minds a man rather than helping out fellow defenders and at 33 years of age he’s in the twilight of his career.
Balta second ruck might be a worry too...especially if he drifts or plays forward while Nankervis is rucking....we won't be able to combat that height. That said, if they go with Gibcus on Curnow he might have his work cut out. They have enough bigger blokes down back in Grimes, Gibcus and Tarrant to let Balta play ruck/forward.
If it's wet, as some of you are saying, reckon it's a dead set 50/50 toss of the coin. They probably have slightly more class in the small/medium forward options than us. But we've found a way most weeks despite the mounting injury toll. A win tomorrow and we're a lock for finals.
As Dodo's crew referred to him on draft day, Pat "The Fat Kid" Cripps, 150th game this week so go Crippa!
Last week our defence held Essendon to 7 goals, with the ball spending quite a bit of time down there in the second half.
This week will be tougher for the defence. It will also be harder for rest of the ground.
From what we've seen this year, we won't give up and we can be very damaging in bursts - makes me cautiously optimistic.
Difference btw round 1 and 14
Sam Durdin (Oscar McDonald)
Matthew Cottrell (Will Setterfield)
Sam Walsh (Adam Cerra)
Lachie Plowman (Mitch McGovern)
Jack Newnes (Marc Pittonet)
Lewis Young (Jacob Weitering)
Jordan Boyd (Zac Williams)
Sub
Dow/Fog/Setters/Kemp (Tom Williamson)
Jack has Balta covered and the latter will be missed in defence.
I'm a lot more confident now that Dusty and Soldo are out. I think we'll get the job done but I would be more confident if we had Kemp or Stocker in the 22 in place of Boyd ... who will probably play a blinder now ::)
Sam Durdin reminds of that other Sam; Rowe, who did a great job even if most supporters had their hearts in their mouths every time he got near the pill :o
Reckon Balta will play forward like in his previous game and ruck for 5 -10 mins a quarter only, Tigers will go with Tarrant, Grimes and Gibcus down back with Broad the floater. Harry has a real advantage in height providing we can get it down forward in a decent fashion. You would think Young will get Lynch and Plowman might get Reiwoldt...Balta doesnt really have a matchup unless our Jack was to follow him around but the Richmond player is about 3 yards quicker than any of our defenders and for that reason I dont see S.Durdin playing on him and I'm struggling to see a direct opponent other than Lynch for S.Durdin especially with Soldo now out and no resting true ruckman other than Nank who will ruck most of the game..
EB....reckon we just have to play to our strengths which is in the midfield and our tall forwards. We never really seemed to get into top gear last week through the middle against Essendon but got a feeling Voss will have them up and going tonight, especially for Crippa's 150th.
I know that the MCG has incredible drainage but Vossy should mandate long stops tonight.
During a broadcast game, BT asked a recently retired player who was a co-commentator or boundary rider why players weren’t ordered to wear boots with long stops and he was flummoxed when he was told they don’t exist. The recently retired player claimed they all wear moulded stops and that’s it. Can’t comment from my own experience. Like most, I only own 1 pair and they’re moulded. But I’m not a professional player.
During a broadcast game, BT asked a recently retired player who was a co-commentator or boundary rider why players weren’t ordered to wear boots with long stops and he was flummoxed when he was told they don’t exist. The recently retired player claimed they all wear moulded stops and that’s it. Can’t comment from my own experience. Like most, I only own 1 pair and they’re moulded. But I’m not a professional player.
A quick Google search produced many football boots with screw in stops. Some are metal and wouldn’t be permitted.
There are also moulded sole boots with longer stops.
I guess it will depend on the boot contract.
EB....reckon we just have to play to our strengths which is in the midfield and our tall forwards. We never really seemed to get into top gear last week through the middle against Essendon but got a feeling Voss will have them up and going tonight, especially for Crippa's 150th.
I sensed a fair degree of frustration from Vossy last game re our clearance domination ( or lack of it) and he didn't seem that impressed by the fact that we made up by winning based on turnovers. I suspect we will be back to our more familiar style v the Tiggers. Cripps was more positive though in saying that we added another dimension to our game. Be interesting.
Screw ins are less common these days, but they also have hybrids.
Some with moulded and studs that screw in. About 50-50 split.
Garry Lyon is extremely bullish about our chances both for this game and for the rest if the year. I dont quite share his optimism but he was up and about talking about us this morning on SEN. For perspective, he talked about need superstars to be successful, he said we have:
Curnow
McKay
Weitering
Cripps
Walsh
There's 5 straight off the bat. He then spoke glowingly of our contested ball work, clearance work and transition from defence to attack (which he referred to as elite).
If we add:
Saad
Doc
George
Kennedy
Cerra
TDK
Who are all high quality
Then there are emerging ones like:
Young
Durdin
Owies
Fisher
When you look at it like that coupled with a revitalised coaching group, Lyon was right in saying "there is no limit with Carlton".
We used to be able to 'bank' milestone games. Hope we can get back to those days! Do it for Crippa!
GTC....on 2022 form alone, I'd move Doc up into that "star" category. He's on track for AA selection which is nothing short of incredible given where he's come from.
GTC....on 2022 form alone, I'd move Doc up into that "star" category. He's on track for AA selection which is nothing short of incredible given where he's come from.
Sure, I was merely quoting Lyon's 5 superstars.
During a broadcast game, BT asked a recently retired player who was a co-commentator or boundary rider why players weren’t ordered to wear boots with long stops and he was flummoxed when he was told they don’t exist. The recently retired player claimed they all wear moulded stops and that’s it. Can’t comment from my own experience. Like most, I only own 1 pair and they’re moulded. But I’m not a professional player.
I came across the same thing a couple months ago when i was buying my little one his first pair of boots.
I saw them selling some replacement stops (which i explained to the missus what they were for) and then proceeded to try and find some boots that had them. Nothing.
There is a million different types and styles, but couldn't find long stops in the whole store.
Sure, I was merely quoting Lyon's 5 superstars.
Absolutely. He is a A grader and would the first picked in any team. Amazing leader who is also just so consistent week in week out.
Fogarty sub?
Fogarty sub?
Certainly not my first choice, but i think he enjoys these conditions, so who knows.
If Sammy D doesn't cut it down back, move JSOS down back and just tell Durdin to throw his big body around in the ruck against their second stringer.
Fogarty sub?
I've given up understanding our rationale behind sub selection. Obviously the club has more knowledge that this little black duck but I would have thought a more versatile sub... Kemp or Setters :-\ ???
Probably would have gone with Kemp, oh well.
This is gonna be a very tough night at the office.
Them $1.75 Us $2.08
Go Blues.