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Reply #105
If a member of my family were hit and injured by a driver affected by drugs, I just can't imagine my saying "But on a positive note, the driver was taking drugs because they had had a bad upbringing, so that will make you feel better."

There have always been people affected by having a bad upbringing, but these days the pendulum has swung too far from the individual accepting responsibility, to society in general being held to account for their problems

Where will it end if we keep pushing for drugs to be legalised and at the same time relieve people of responsibility for their actions?

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Reply #106
I can't stand drugs.  My worst experience was riding the tram home to Kew on day, and there was a young kid (couldn't have been older than 13) and he was inhaling fumes out of a bag from a can of spray paint.                 

That was truly frightening and not much shocks me anymore after witnessing that episode.
That's called 'chroming'.

I saw a similar thing on a packed train once. The guy doing it was maybe 17. Had paint all over his face while continuing to huff into his paper bag.

Another bloke, early 20's nicely dressed started up a convo with him. Gave him the whole spiel about how its no good for you and you need to turn your life around. Asking him to repeat stuff he'd just been told, asked him to repeat his name back to make sure the numpty was taking it all in. He even went as far to grab some new mangoes he'd just purchased from out of his backpack to give to this guy to help him get his life in order. The 'chromer' nodded his head, said all the right things, remembered the guys name and everything, agreed he'll stop etc etc. The smartly dressed guy got off the train first, i gave him a nod and smile of approval for his efforts and off he went.
No sooner than when his first foot stepped off the train, the chromer was huffing again like nothing had happened.

My head just dropped.

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Reply #107
I knew what it was called ... I owned a hardware store at the time.

I placed a ban on all "kids" buying them without parental presence.

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Reply #108
If a member of my family were hit and injured by a driver affected by drugs, I just can't imagine my saying "But on a positive note, the driver was taking drugs because they had had a bad upbringing, so that will make you feel better."

There have always been people affected by having a bad upbringing, but these days the pendulum has swung too far from the individual accepting responsibility, to society in general being held to account for their problems

Where will it end if we keep pushing for drugs to be legalised and at the same time relieve people of responsibility for their actions?

You’ve expressed perfectly my feelings on the subject, thank you.
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Reply #109
Petrol sniffing in the outback regions is just as destructive.   Whole communities annihilated by that crap.
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Reply #110
I dont think you guys are on the same page with respect to whats happening here and although you mention some of the risks the data shows decrease in these behaviors with decriminalisation (its not the same as legalisation) and not an increase. 

Im on the fence because often the arguments get skewed one way or the other and data is doctored but locking people up for using creates a cycle thats harder to break and ultimately drugs of dependence i think is more about people than drugs and we need to focus on that.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #111
Don’t get me wrong Thry, I also tend to agree with you... but personal responsibility is a must.
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Reply #112
My sons mate is a paramedic and has been attacked twice by ice affected low lifes who were high, he is a big lad but isnt allowed to defend himself and had to wait till police arrive. Similar story with my daughter who is a nurse who was attacked along with other staff by a nutter who was off his face and had been brought in by the ambos with some broken limbs, he wasnt feeling any of his injuries but proceeded to throw stuff around and belt into anyone who got in his road.
Its a similar story every other night with our drug addicted society, during the bad covid period drug use increased and most ambo calls were for people either overdosing or trying to suicide usually by hanging...hardly a call for a CoVid related illness problem though.
I'm over drug users who get violent and want to risk the lives of healthcare workers and take time away from other sick or injured people. I dont care what the reason they got onto drugs to start with but if you get violent and start hurting people then you are a criminal and should be treated like one.


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Reply #113
Fair call.

I also think for most of these people it wouldn't be the first time they took drugs and got violent. Yet somehow it's seen as a mitigating factor in court.

Oh I didn't know what I was doing cos I was on drugs.

I'd say You knew you'd become violent yet you took the drugs anyway therefore cop additional punishment.

Not sure that would help but something has to change.

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Reply #114
I feel very sorry for the emergency workers, the wankers seem to have all the rights! But there is some irony that the wankers won't get more sympathy anywhere else than they get from the emergency workers, they genuinely care. I couldn't do that job!

When I was in hospital for a day or two last year I couldn't believe how disruptive the wankers can be, the emergency medical staff and security staff are consumed by wankers getting aggro because they can't have a smoke or want to piss off out of the joint high as a kite! The emergency would probably be 40% more efficient if the police could just locked them away, but they can't! This is the hidden cost Joe Average doesn't see, while half the staff are dealing with some disruptive wanker, other ill people are not getting the level of attention they need to get out of the place faster! Either way, we pay, we all pay!

I don't know what the answer is, it's not having police in there because the staff will tell you they do not want armed police inside the emergency wards. They see that as being just one lunatic away from a mass homicide! Do no harm!
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Reply #115
Fair call.

I also think for most of these people it wouldn't be the first time they took drugs and got violent. Yet somehow it's seen as a mitigating factor in court.

Oh I didn't know what I was doing cos I was on drugs.

I'd say You knew you'd become violent yet you took the drugs anyway therefore cop additional punishment.

Not sure that would help but something has to change.
I'd apply a double penalty for being under the influence. Fark the discounts, nuffs enuff.
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Reply #116
I feel very sorry for the emergency workers, the wankers seem to have all the rights! But there is some irony that the wankers won't get more sympathy anywhere else than they get from the emergency workers, they genuinely care. I couldn't do that job!

When I was in hospital for a day or two last year I couldn't believe how disruptive the wankers can be, the emergency medical staff and security staff are consumed by wankers getting aggro because they can't have a smoke or want to piss off out of the joint high as a kite! The emergency would probably be 40% more efficient if the police could just locked them away, but they can't! This is the hidden cost Joe Average doesn't see, while half the staff are dealing with some disruptive wanker, other ill people are not getting the level of attention they need to get out of the place faster! Either way, we pay, we all pay!

I don't know what the answer is, it's not having police in there because the staff will tell you they do not want armed police inside the emergency wards. They see that as being just one lunatic away from a mass homicide! Do no harm!
Well the answer certainly isn't removing the responsibility by decriminalising it IMHO. These days, it seems to always be someone else's fault or problem.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #117
I noticed that the Oregon study suggested that the money formerly used to arrest, hold court, incarcerate, etc. would be better spent else where.  Suggesting it would be less.  Yes there would be decreases in these costs but they would probably be more than matched by medical and psychological bills.


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Reply #119
I dont care what the reason they got onto drugs to start with but if you get violent and start hurting people then you are a criminal and should be treated like one.




100% agree. Angry Andersons son is dead as a result of trying to assist his best mate and who was on a heavy night taking MDMA. He was beaten and stomped on as 'apparently' he thought Andersons son was the devil. He was sentenced to 7 years with a min of 5 for manslaughter. Utter madness and shows no justice for the poor victims family whatsoever.

Andersons son has had potentially 60 years taken from him and the man responsible could be walking the streets in 5... How is this right?

Any father would be hard pressed not wanting to take his own justice out on release - These are crimes the victims family never ever move on.

Disgusting lack of justice.