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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #150
Zac Williams was door stopped at PP yesterday, said he is still learning to play midfield. The most expensive trainer wheels in the comp, FMD!
2017-16th
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2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #151
My tip was Dogs by 26. While the result was slightly more favorable, it's the drop off that has me worried. We've all said it. 5, 6, 7, 8 unanswered goals kills any confidence we have of moving up the ladder. This, in my mind, is where leadership comes in. Or doesn't. If our leaders are injured, they shouldn't be on the ground.

I know we've had a tough injury run, but we also talk up our depth. I'm not convinced we have depth.

On a positive note, Cunningham is as smooth as they come. I'm pleased he's performing atm. Eddie had his tricks on show and looks like he's enjoying his footy. As is his understudy - Owies. Well done to H. He's finally having a great run of form and showing his potential.

We had the better of the 2nd best team for the best part of 3 quarters....without any real input from two supposed A graders or close to - Cripps and Williams. And a few others doing little too.

Had we kicked a few more of those very gettable goals earlier (SOJ and Fog), I reckon we would have won it. 40 odd up is far more imposing than 27.

Still, it's a loss in the books and we sit 3-5 with tough games ahead....

No excuses for what happened out of the centre in Q4 - that's on DT and his team as much as the players/leaders.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #152
We had the better of the 2nd best team for the best part of 3 quarters....without any real input from two supposed A graders or close to - Cripps and Williams. And a few others doing little too.

Had we kicked a few more of those very gettable goals earlier (SOJ and Fog), I reckon we would have won it. 40 odd up is far more imposing than 27.

Still, it's a loss in the books and we sit 3-5 with tough games ahead....

No excuses for what happened out of the centre in Q4 - that's on DT and his team as much as the players/leaders.
Was thinking about this, is Teague better off coaching from the bench? Would it allow him to deliver messages quicker to the players in situations like Sunday?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #153
Was thinking about this, is Teague better off coaching from the bench? Would it allow him to deliver messages quicker to the players in situations like Sunday?

Who knows GITC, but sitting in the box staring vacantly through the glass doesn't push my buttons.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #154
Zac Williams was door stopped at PP yesterday, said he is still learning to play midfield. The most expensive trainer wheels in the comp, FMD!

Saw that and I think he meant "midfield at Carlton ", but nevertheless not the best choice of words.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #155
I hope our boys spend as much time rewatching our first Q against the dogs as they will the last.
The dogs were swarming all over us in the first, we weathered it then we countered.
When they realise that they need to be 100% switched on for 4/4 Q then we’ll play like a premiership team, until then they need to keep building belief.

Another thing that struck me was how physically developed the doggies are, all extremely powerful, a mature hardened team.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #156
Saw that and I think he meant "midfield at Carlton ", but nevertheless not the best choice of words.

he simply needs to be dropped.

9 touches is pathetic.

Either he's not fit, therefore a liability in the 1s, or he's apathetic right now.....

Either way, dropped.

Teague needs to send a message.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #157
The Cripps phone conversation mentioned earlier, was interesting / it went on for a long time and he seemed to be irritated by what was being said. Any thoughts?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #158
Who knows GITC, but sitting in the box staring vacantly through the glass doesn't push my buttons.
The entire group (players and coaches) need to do something different that's for sure. I have never seen DT sit on the bench, perhaps its not his thing, perhaps he doesn't trust the other coaches and wants to hear everything they say and do. All I know is that in his first 28 games, his team conceded 30 point swing in 18 of them, I think with Sundays game, its is now 19 from 36 games. This is the biggest think costing us wins and I dont care who the opposition is. They must rectify this.
Here is an article from March this year about the topic, what have they done about it?

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-carlton-conceding-five-goal-swings-records-david-teague-coaching-stats/news-story/2fcc11cd81dc6f8d8f807607cc7b9e34
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #159
I hope our boys spend as much time rewatching our first Q against the dogs as they will the last.
The dogs were swarming all over us in the first, we weathered it then we countered.
When they realise that they need to be 100% switched on for 4/4 Q then we’ll play like a premiership team, until then they need to keep building belief.

Another thing that struck me was how physically developed the doggies are, all extremely powerful, a mature hardened team.
Funny you say that, I thought the same thing at the Brisbane game. They warmed up right in front of us at the start and after half time and I commented to the Mrs how thick in quad and butt area they looked compared to our blokes. Dunno if it was the white shorts but they looked like bulls. As you say though, 4 qtrs is the key. A win on Sunday could have catapulted our season, instead...
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #160
Funny you say that, I thought the same thing at the Brisbane game. They warmed up right in front of us at the start and after half time and I commented to the Mrs how thick in quad and butt area they looked compared to our blokes. Dunno if it was the white shorts but they looked like bulls. As you say though, 4 qtrs is the key. A win on Sunday could have catapulted our season, instead...

We have a few big guys in key positions but a lot of our mid-fielders and flankers are lightly framed.
It's the type of player we recruited, and many have a body type that won't bulk up.

Is the emphasis in our training more about speed and endurance, rather than strength and power.
Sure there is obviously a balance there, but the physicality some sides bring against us seems to be a factor in many of those runs and defeats.

We were pretty much 'monstered' in that last quarter on the weekend.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #161
We have a few big guys in key positions but a lot of our mid-fielders and flankers are lightly framed.
It's the type of player we recruited, and many have a body type that won't bulk up.

Is the emphasis in our training more about speed and endurance, rather than strength and power.
Sure there is obviously a balance there, but the physicality some sides bring against us seems to be a factor in many of those runs and defeats.

We were pretty much 'monstered' in that last quarter on the weekend.
Agree, we lack big bodied strong players across the list apart from our taller types.
Everyone has said we played well for three quarters but for all that were only in front by a couple of goals at 3/4 time.
Its the classic struggling team vs better team scenario you see often and in in our glory days we were the ones who ran away with those games and over powered teams.
We looked schooboyish, lacking in fitness in the last quarter and our leadership isn't good enough.
The Bont goal where no one stood the mark was a sign we had switched off, given up and were waiting for the other bloke to do the work.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #162
"dropped off "
"given up"
"stopped"
"waiting for the other bloke"
"switched off"
"sleeping"

This happens for a quarter of footy far too often. Develop the skill to remain motivated and focused for 4q and we'll be "where we want to be"

I expect several mental and physical factors are contributing. Those charged with the task of winning have work ahead. Hopefully they're on to it 🤞
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #163
The WBs had so many unattended players in the last quarter and a half, it was staggering.

We were insipid and couldn't even do the basics.  The defence were more than OK but wtf is that worth when the WB drive forward had more bloody avenues than a Melways.

That is inexcusable coaching and an indictment in recruiting standards. 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #164
Was thinking about this, is Teague better off coaching from the bench? Would it allow him to deliver messages quicker to the players in situations like Sunday?

Beveridge was on the bench and very animated during the game. Thought this was very unusual at the time. Is he normally down on the bench coaching from there?

Though it was a bit of a panic move to come down to the bench.