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Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #15
Both the Doggies and Melbourne have been on a constant path for several years.

Constant path? They've both been on a roller coaster ride recently, specifically Melbourne.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #16
But Macca - Liddle said the "time for development is over" !?!
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #17
Constant path? They've both been on a roller coaster ride recently, specifically Melbourne.
Agree on the Dees,they have May and Lever now fit and firing, Tomlinson was also in great from before being injured, did I hear right on the TV they are the No 1 defense in the comp?
Petracca has also gone to the next level and is now an A grader....
Not sold on them though and IMO they are impostors at the top of the ladder.....

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #18
Agree on the Dees,they have May and Lever now fit and firing, Tomlinson was also in great from before being injured, did I hear right on the TV they are the No 1 defense in the comp?
Petracca has also gone to the next level and is now an A grader....
Not sold on them though and IMO they are impostors at the top of the ladder.....


Petraccas dominance in the midfield means their defence doesn't have to work as hard.
If Cripps did was Cripps used to do, we'd be much better in defence too.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #19
Agree on the Dees,they have May and Lever now fit and firing, Tomlinson was also in great from before being injured, did I hear right on the TV they are the No 1 defense in the comp?
Petracca has also gone to the next level and is now an A grader....
Not sold on them though and IMO they are impostors at the top of the ladder.....


Obviously until they win a flag they are just pretenders. What happens if they win the flag? Will your opinion change? They zone as well as any side does, covering the opposition moves forward or on a rebound. They leave minimal opportunities to have players float forward free in space. They tackle with intensity. They apply pressure with numbers. They make every opportunity for their opponents become a contested possession. Due to the fact that they have a huge work rate. Not lazy. Not left second guessing. The only weak link in their armour is the clearance figures. Which at the moment doesn’t hurt them. They find a way to put on the press and create a turnover and get the ball on their terms eventually. If we played like they do. If we were 8 wins from 8 games. We would be bragging about being flag favourites. Fact is that we are so far behind them, that we are not even in the same league as they are. It will take a miracle for us to even show a competitive contest against the Dees. Which won’t last long enough if it does happen. The end result will be ugly on the scoreboard.

We lack awareness under pressure. We lose our direct opponent too often when the heat is on. We zone space very poorly. We don’t stay accountable for what out opponent is doing or where he is running. We don’t run hard both ways. We don’t stand on the mark in a free kick. We float away and let them play on which allows them to gain ground and put pressure on our players up the ground. We finger point and blame others for our own mistakes. We do spoil and the one percentage plays, but not often enough. Not for 4 quarters.

The Dees coach summed up their last game. They lack some polish with clearance work. However, if they have the grit and determination to win every contest, they will eventually create a turnover and play the next passage on their terms.  They are confident they can and will win every game, and thus play accordingly. In my eyes they only have one lazy player. One that I have seen so far. What a problem they have at the moment. Can we swap players lists, coaches, board etc? lol. Good luck to us. We could win this one by 100 points. Haha haha.
This digital world is too much for us insects to understand.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #20
Hi Guys.

Just went to the AFL site to book my tickets for Sundays game and there is no button to get tickets. I then went to the Ticketek site and the only games that are available are for Hawthorn and West Coast.

Have the tickets already gone on sale and been exhausted?

This can not be true as I do not think that there will be more than 40,000 there on Sunday as the MCG and the capacity is 85,000 ATM.

Could someone please clarify.  >:(  >:(

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #21
Hi Guys.

Just went to the AFL site to book my tickets for Sundays game and there is no button to get tickets. I then went to the Ticketek site and the only games that are available are for Hawthorn and West Coast.

Have the tickets already gone on sale and been exhausted?

This can not be true as I do not think that there will be more than 40,000 there on Sunday as the MCG and the capacity is 85,000 ATM.

Could someone please clarify.  >:(  >:(

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/933523/securing-your-seat-rounds-9-and-10

This may have the information you're after.


Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #23
Thanks PP got them. Not sure why you cannot just go through the Ticketek website which is where it took me to get the tickets.  ::)  ::)

👍

Enjoy the game - hopefully the boys give you something to cheer about.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #24
Not a chance in getting close to this mob if Pit is our ruckman against Gawn. We will get absolutely slaughtered. End of story.

TDK has to come in even if he is not fully match fit. Pit has no clue at all as to how to tap the ball to a bloke wearing a blue jumper. No clue at all. We were smashed -16 centre clearances against a 2 game ruckman - can you imagine what the best ruckman in the comp will do to our bloke. Game over. 

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #25
Not a chance in getting close to this mob if Pit is our ruckman against Gawn. We will get absolutely slaughtered. End of story.

TDK has to come in even if he is not fully match fit. Pit has no clue at all as to how to tap the ball to a bloke wearing a blue jumper. No clue at all. We were smashed -16 centre clearances against a 2 game ruckman - can you imagine what the best ruckman in the comp will do to our bloke. Game over. 

Ffs, there are 3 other blokes wearing navy blue in the centre and it's pretty clear to most that our midfield failed to turn up. I've already proven that pittonet was better than his opponent (the opposite of what you suggested....2 weeks in a row...but no comment on that i see) and now you take aim at him again.

Get a clue.

The reason the dogs dominated the midfield was because....
a) their midfield is better than ours
b) their midfield turned up
c) despite getting our hand on the ball first and despite getting it to our advantage more than the opposition our midfielder stunk it up, not because of our ruck.

You wanna take aim at some players....look at cripps and Williams. Co.pare their numbers against the opposition.

BTW, last year pittonet vs gawn....
Pittonet had the same hit outs to advantage as gawn did. Less overall hitouts. So he had a higher conversion rate of hitouts to advantage.

Actually had a slightly higher ruck contest to advantage rate too.
(That means he was more likely to win a ruck duel to advantage than gawn was.)

So keep posting your hate and mistruths.
I'll keep posting stats.
Fwiw....
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=5066.0

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #26
We haven't been able to get across this mob when they weren't playing this good, so it's hard to see us knocking them off on this instance. Still, without a hope in hell chance in the past we've performed better. Maybe this is one of those occasions.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #27
Obviously until they win a flag they are just pretenders. What happens if they win the flag? Will your opinion change? They zone as well as any side does, covering the opposition moves forward or on a rebound. They leave minimal opportunities to have players float forward free in space. They tackle with intensity. They apply pressure with numbers. They make every opportunity for their opponents become a contested possession. Due to the fact that they have a huge work rate. Not lazy. Not left second guessing. The only weak link in their armour is the clearance figures. Which at the moment doesn’t hurt them. They find a way to put on the press and create a turnover and get the ball on their terms eventually. If we played like they do. If we were 8 wins from 8 games. We would be bragging about being flag favourites. Fact is that we are so far behind them, that we are not even in the same league as they are. It will take a miracle for us to even show a competitive contest against the Dees. Which won’t last long enough if it does happen. The end result will be ugly on the scoreboard.

We lack awareness under pressure. We lose our direct opponent too often when the heat is on. We zone space very poorly. We don’t stay accountable for what out opponent is doing or where he is running. We don’t run hard both ways. We don’t stand on the mark in a free kick. We float away and let them play on which allows them to gain ground and put pressure on our players up the ground. We finger point and blame others for our own mistakes. We do spoil and the one percentage plays, but not often enough. Not for 4 quarters.

The Dees coach summed up their last game. They lack some polish with clearance work. However, if they have the grit and determination to win every contest, they will eventually create a turnover and play the next passage on their terms.  They are confident they can and will win every game, and thus play accordingly. In my eyes they only have one lazy player. One that I have seen so far. What a problem they have at the moment. Can we swap players lists, coaches, board etc? lol. Good luck to us. We could win this one by 100 points. Haha haha.
Melbourne are up one year, down the next and like a Queensland theme park roller coaster liable to come off the rails completely
at anytime. You look at last years game and they beat us by one point and a rookie Sam Walsh had the opportunity to hit Harry up but couldnt nail the pass and we could have stolen the game.
Dont expect to win by 100 points but if we can repeat last years effort we can win...Dees are unproven over the journey and while they could surprise like the Dogs in 2016 I wouldnt be back them in as sure things just yet...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pV9i2VGgw

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #28
Ffs, there are 3 other blokes wearing navy blue in the centre and it's pretty clear to most that our midfield failed to turn up. I've already proven that pittonet was better than his opponent (the opposite of what you suggested....2 weeks in a row...but no comment on that i see) and now you take aim at him again.

Get a clue.

The reason the dogs dominated the midfield was because....
a) their midfield is better than ours
b) their midfield turned up
c) despite getting our hand on the ball first and despite getting it to our advantage more than the opposition our midfielder stunk it up, not because of our ruck.

You wanna take aim at some players....look at cripps and Williams. Co.pare their numbers against the opposition.

BTW, last year pittonet vs gawn....
Pittonet had the same hit outs to advantage as gawn did. Less overall hitouts. So he had a higher conversion rate of hitouts to advantage.

Actually had a slightly higher ruck contest to advantage rate too.
(That means he was more likely to win a ruck duel to advantage than gawn was.)

So keep posting your hate and mistruths.
I'll keep posting stats.
Fwiw....
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=5066.0

More dribble trying to defend another one of your love child. You do exactly the same if anyone dares to be negative on Plowman as well.  Its a forum so accept others to have a different view to you and you don't ALWAYS have to reply trying every available angle to prove your right and they are wrong.     

Pit is an below standard tap ruckmen IMO and while we get smashed in the midfield every week for a host of reasons, the last 2 weeks was the best possible chance to at least give our mids a small advantage by tapping the Fking ball to them more then the opposition get it at centre bounces yet we still lose the centre clearances -16. 

The media, all Carlton podcasts, 99% of supporters can all see it, except you and that's fine its your opinion but don't waste your time with your cheery picked stats to convince me otherwise. Thankfully TDK is ready and coming in so this discussion will no longer be valid.

 

 

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #29
More dribble trying to defend another one of your love child. You do exactly the same if anyone dares to be negative on Plowman as well.  Its a forum so accept others to have a different view to you and you don't ALWAYS have to reply trying every available angle to prove your right and they are wrong.     
So you use me defending Plowman as 'proof' that i'm wrong.
Top 5 results in the B+F says i'm more right than you.
But sure, have your opinion....don't get snippy if i provide stats that prove your opinion.......likely to be incorrect. ;)

Pit is an below standard tap ruckmen IMO
....and your opinion is wrong.
AFL stats literally rated him as an elite tap ruckman in 2020. He is listed as an 'above average' tap ruckman this year. There is no personal opinion, preferance, spin or otherwise. Simple facts available on the AFL website.

and while we get smashed in the midfield every week for a host of reasons, the last 2 weeks was the best possible chance to at least give our mids a small advantage by tapping the Fking ball to them more then the opposition get it at centre bounces yet we still lose the centre clearances -16. 
You clearly don't understand stats, because we clearly hit to our mids more than they hit to theirs.....yet still lose clearances.
Despite losing clearances, Pittonet himself managed 7 clearances, doing better than any of our other mids.
"If i tap it to you and you can't get a clearance, i may as well do it myself!"

The media, all Carlton podcasts, 99% of supporters can all see it, except you and that's fine its your opinion but don't waste your time with your cheery picked stats to convince me otherwise. Thankfully TDK is ready and coming in so this discussion will no longer be valid.
Cherry picked stats?? They are the ruck stats. There is no cherry picking!
Its like you saying Casboult is a good shot at goal and i provide you goal kicking stats that show otherwise, then you accuse me of cherry picking stats.

Just face it, you don't like Pittonet and don't rate what he is doing and expect more. So be it. But what is he doing is well above his pay grade and has outperformed his younger opponent 2 weeks running despite what you suggested.

I've got nothing against TDK coming up.
I will predict that his hitout to advantage stats won't rival Pittonets though. ;)