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Reply #390
I dont agree on giving identification and personal information to social media. 

They collect enough personal information that they don't need.
Agree and it wouldn't work anyway. You can get around that now with fake ids, people use fake IPs all the time,same with mobiles, emails. The dark Web, laundering through Crypto etc has created a bigger need.Police are spending more and more trying to keep up with it all..

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Reply #391
Agree and it wouldn't work anyway. You can get around that now with fake ids, people use fake IPs all the time,same with mobiles, emails. The dark Web, laundering through Crypto etc has created a bigger need.Police are spending more and more trying to keep up with it all..
I notice the top police chiefs stated they did not want access to the Q-Code records as they rightly pointed out it would discourage people getting vaccinated and using the system. Some may be cynical about that but really give, health, wellbeing and wealth drive crime it makes perfect sense.

The state and Fed police are now using more and more covert tactics, not dissimilar to ASIO. Crooked lawyers want to expose the tactics in court so they can get a big payday off the criminals for getting them off the hook. It's a game of cat and mouse, and perhaps indicates that long term the Feds need to be more involved. 
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #392
Just from an ex-moderator/admin point of view and speaking specifically about this site...

As a site I think we've handled things pretty well over the years.
We've given a little lenience on things like criticism of player's skills, efforts and attitudes (and we've copped a bit of criticism for that)
But things like racist comments and rumours regarding player's personal lives have been shut down pretty quickly.
To be honest, we really haven't had to do much, as folks have been pretty good and vile and extremist comments have been a rare occurence.

I'm not sure how multiple ID's to verify an account could be introduced.
How we could view them, and verify them, and the responsibility that goes with accessing that information would all be issues.
I think we have to rely on our moderating group to act swiftly and get rid of the comments and posters who breach standards.

I think the time will come when social media sites are increasingly accountable, unfortunately individuals have many ways to avoid and get around detection.

Not to mention how do we trust as an example that you guys can secure our personal information?

Thats not a slight on csc, its a valid concern.

Identity theft is the number one driver of cyber crime.  It creates a lot of revenue for thieves not to mention gives them the ability to literally steal all you own and then leave you fighting to prove your own identity.  All for what goal? 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #393
Precisely why I'll never be on facebook, twitter or any other part of social media.  Enrich Zuckerberg or anyone like him?  They disgust me.  

 

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Reply #394
Precisely why I'll never be on facebook, twitter or any other part of social media.  Enrich Zuckerberg or anyone like him?  They disgust me.  
I don't do social media either....its sophisticated marketing for the masses.

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Reply #395
I don't do social media either....its sophisticated marketing for the masses.
A technically sophisticated backend, but the marketing message itself is fairly rudimentary lowest common denominator stuff. A technological race to the moral gutter.
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Reply #396
Agree and it wouldn't work anyway. You can get around that now with fake ids, people use fake IPs all the time,same with mobiles, emails. The dark Web, laundering through Crypto etc has created a bigger need.Police are spending more and more trying to keep up with it all..
Righto then, we'll just allow cretins to get on line and call Zac an aboroginal  so and so  and we just say its too hard. Not good enough as far as Im concerned. If platforms like Facebook and Twitter really want to, they can get proper verification and hunt animals down. If we want to make a difference, it needs to be pushed.
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Reply #397
Righto then, we'll just allow cretins to get on line and call Zac an aboroginal  so and so  and we just say its too hard. Not good enough as far as Im concerned. If platforms like Facebook and Twitter really want to, they can get proper verification and hunt animals down. If we want to make a difference, it needs to be pushed.

They do moderate these forums.  People aren't allowed to say and right purely what they like, and abuse can be reported, and usually those posters are suspended, and then removed from those platforms.

They have community standards, and the commentary can be removed.  Removing the ability for people to speak, doesnt stop racism occurring, it just stops people hearing it.  This is one way to do it, but it removes the educational component of seeing it, and calling it out.

In time, all these issues will be sorted, but I see some potential scope for historical repetition of these issues.  Practising equality must be done without the usual divisions and seperation.  I.e.  Being proud and deady is fine, but it becomes a way to ensure there is division in society, rather than simply seeing us all as individuals, and then treating everyone with the respect they deserve.  I am an Australian born, son of a Greek migrant, and I too, am proud and deadly....  Except, I am not a first nations person, therefore I shouldn't be as proud and deadly as they are....  See the issue there?

I do.  It creates the division we need to remove to find an equal footing for all. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #398
In this particular case it seems the dill created a false account and posted.
Easy to do, impossible to track.

So what has he achieved....universal condemnation and  a very strong response from the Carlton club
He's  highlighted what a piece of crap he personally is, and drew attention to the fact that there are still a number of low-lifes out there.
 
He can't boast too loudly about it...guys like him usually have 'friends' who'll turn on them at the drop of a hat and dob him in.
The only folks who will know about his antics are possibly a few grubby mates who share his opinion.
He get's little satisfaction from it even though it's probably the high point so far in his miserable existence.
Loser!

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Reply #399
In time, all these issues will be sorted, but I see some potential scope for historical repetition of these issues.  Practising equality must be done without the usual divisions and seperation.  I.e.  Being proud and deady is fine, but it becomes a way to ensure there is division in society, rather than simply seeing us all as individuals, and then treating everyone with the respect they deserve.  I am an Australian born, son of a Greek migrant, and I too, am proud and deadly....  Except, I am not a first nations person, therefore I shouldn't be as proud and deadly as they are....  See the issue there?

I do.  It creates the division we need to remove to find an equal footing for all. 
Just as well that clubs like South Melbourne Hellas have been excluded from the A-League, then. Having clubs that are divided along ethnic lines creates division. Maybe Italian and Greek social clubs should be banned for the same reason.

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Reply #400
They do moderate these forums.  People aren't allowed to say and right purely what they like, and abuse can be reported, and usually those posters are suspended, and then removed from those platforms.

They have community standards, and the commentary can be removed.  Removing the ability for people to speak, doesnt stop racism occurring, it just stops people hearing it.  This is one way to do it, but it removes the educational component of seeing it, and calling it out.

In time, all these issues will be sorted, but I see some potential scope for historical repetition of these issues.  Practising equality must be done without the usual divisions and seperation.  I.e.  Being proud and deady is fine, but it becomes a way to ensure there is division in society, rather than simply seeing us all as individuals, and then treating everyone with the respect they deserve.  I am an Australian born, son of a Greek migrant, and I too, am proud and deadly....  Except, I am not a first nations person, therefore I shouldn't be as proud and deadly as they are....  See the issue there?

I do.  It creates the division we need to remove to find an equal footing for all. 
Sorry Thry, I dont really get what you mean, I sort of thinks youre over complicating it (with respect). For me its really simple. I was taught to treat everyone equal and with respect. Black, white, red, purple, east, west, north, south, young, old, rich, poor. In sickness and in health, in work and in play, during fun times and in sad times, online, offline. Whatever.
Cross the line and there should be consequences. If there are aren't, it all falls down and we start again. People do what they do because there are no consequences for their actions. You talk about education, even the most educated can be hurtful, vile despicable human beings. Yes we must educate this early in life but when people who should know better step of out of line, their must be consequences (re-education and penalty). You say in time issues will be sorted, guess what? We've been going a long time and things still aren't sorted. We are talking basics here. Why is that? In my mind, it always comes back to two things. Lack of education and no consequences. I keep hearing about why we cant do stuff, too hard, etc etc. I want to start hearing about can do.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #401
Just as well that clubs like South Melbourne Hellas have been excluded from the A-League, then. Having clubs that are divided along ethnic lines creates division. Maybe Italian and Greek social clubs should be banned for the same reason.

@goingintocarlton see this post for what im talking about.  The migrant clubs were effectively kiboshed from the national competition and not really given a crack at joining the A league.

The point to it at the time is exactly what Mav is saying.  Too many ethnics.

@Mav I will forever be a South Melbourne supporter.  Like the old swans supporters of Melbourne who eventually die, the kids won't remember and the club will dissappear.  Ive made my peace with that.  Instead we'll focus on the fact that Lisa De Vanna came from South Melbourne's women's team and it wasn't a Greeks only club.   We were happy to accept everyone.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #402
The Mrs and I are spending a couple of days in the YV and stopped at Healesville. Walked past on antiques store at they had old football records in the window. Couldn't resist, picked up:
1 x 1968 Second Semi Ess v Carl
1 x 1970 Second Semi Coll v Carl
1 x 1970 Preliminary Final Stk v Cal
1 x 1973 Second Semi Coll v Car
$72 the lot, probably got ripped but just couldn't walk passed. All in very good condition.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #403
The Mrs and I are spending a couple of days in the YV and stopped at Healesville. Walked past on antiques store at they had old football records in the window. Couldn't resist, picked up:
1 x 1968 Second Semi Ess v Carl
1 x 1970 Second Semi Coll v Carl
1 x 1970 Preliminary Final Stk v Cal
1 x 1973 Second Semi Coll v Car
$72 the lot, probably got ripped but just couldn't walk passed. All in very good condition.

Good get GTC. About $14 or $15 each, worth it IMO. If you head over to eBay, you'll see that the price you paid in pretty reasonable in comparison. You'll forget about the price in years to come when you're thumbing through them.

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Reply #404
The Mrs and I are spending a couple of days in the YV and stopped at Healesville. Walked past on antiques store at they had old football records in the window. Couldn't resist, picked up:
1 x 1968 Second Semi Ess v Carl
1 x 1970 Second Semi Coll v Carl
1 x 1970 Preliminary Final Stk v Cal
1 x 1973 Second Semi Coll v Car
$72 the lot, probably got ripped but just couldn't walk passed. All in very good condition.
Good get and as Paul said worth the money.....