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How Henderson got away with his marking contest bump where he made contact with player and not ball is beyond me.

There is much made of the fact we have been losing by less than five goals. It shows we are in the games, but when push come to shove, we tend to fold. Listening to Carlton there is a belief within the Club that this team will succeed. I think they have the ability to be successful. I keep saying we have a very good list. I think there is complacency at the Club and that is the problem. They look at the list, they think the Coaching is fine, we are getting new facilities and the administration is going very well, these are the elements of success so there is an expectation that there will be success. It is like back in 2010 when there was an expectation of success where we lost Grigg for not much and the used our first three draft picks to chose Watson, McCarthy and Mitchell and then in 2011 we didn't trade and we chose Bootsma. In 2012 we didn't trade and Tom Temay was our second pick. The whole point of Malthouse was the belief we had a good side and all we needed was a super coach to bring it all together. While we are not making those mistakes today, I still think there is a fair amount of complacency around the Club believing it is all going to happen and that complacency is produced on the field of play.
What the players need to demonstrate against GWS is a sense of urgency but not the suicidal recklessness Newman engaged in. The players are going to actually want to succeed. If we do this we will win. If we don't we will have another three to five goal loss

The Williams cheat with a half back flanker as a mid move has bombed and its back to the drawing board.

At least we have pittonet. The only big bloke we've had show aggression for decades.
He's not quite up to the same class as mummy, but he won't let himself or his team-mates get bullied

The list is lacking in midfield depth, we don't have enough good mids after Cripps and Walsh. The Williams cheat with a half back flanker as a mid move has bombed and its
back to the drawing board.
A class deep midfield fixes a lot of problems.. better delivery down forward and less pressure on your back line.
We are going nowhere until we get the midfield sorted... A review isn't going to fix that..

Although this might become true in the longer term, I feel it's way too early to call right now just as it is too early to make a call on the kids.

Williams has shown some midfield class and grunt, but in previous attempts he did so in the blind well before opposition scrutiny and before he had to deal with specific opposition tactics to counter his game. He's a midfield beginner, but that doesn't mean he won't make it as a midfielder. The money doesn't mean much, and it certainly doesn't mean you're the finished product.

Cripps for example can still barely hit the ball with his left foot, he's like a footy beginner when they make him turn onto his left.

This is how Williams should be used, he just doesnt get enough of the ball if used in the middle in a FT role IMO. His form down back has been better and its obvious he prefers that role and is better at it.

I was looking further down the pecking order, even ignoring the likes of Dow, SPS, LOB.  Looking at Philp, Ramsay, Honey, Carroll, kemp.  I think we are still looking 2-4 years away and if they come on early, great.  I dont see us cutting too deeply from here.  We will move on older types, cheat with some of them in roles where they are less likely, and then go from there IMHO.

The Williams, Fogarty, Saad experience was a very much now purchase, to ease up the pressure on the youngsters that have shown something, and are yet to get a go.  We will see more of them as the season slips away and we are going through the motions and will be pleasantly surprised IMHO. 

Yes Williams isn't fit.
Don't judge someone until you see them with a good pre-season under their belt.

Agree but he did have good preseason didn't he? IMO opinion, he hasn't been the same since the suspension just before round 1. He needs a chance to settle into the way we play for sure, but I haven't been impressed with what he has produced to date. Harsh? Probably but its my opinion. I reckon if Zac looked in the mirror and was honest with himself, I think he would say he wouldn't be happy with his output.