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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #15
Pit is NOT and AFL standard ruckman. Not even close. He was beaten by a second gamer and was still unable to give our midfield any clear takeaways. HTF are we slaughtered in clearances with a 2nd gamer rucking. Can you imagine what Gawn will do to this bloke next week. Just shows you how far off it we are development wise when a 2nd gamer can come in and have an impact. Same with their first gamer he showed straight off that he had been developed. We are still a fair bit off it.

Well.....thats a bit embarrassing.

Hitouts
33 Pittonet
8 Casboult

17 Sweet
5 Bruce

Disposals
17 Pittonet
9 Sweet

Clearances
7 Pittonet (most for Carlton, 3rd behind Bont + Libba)
1 Sweet


I can't get hitout to advantage stats yet, but i don't think Pittonet was the problem.
Cripps being MIA, Williams appearing on the team sheet, but barely sighted on the ground, SPS doing similar after Jack went off....

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #16
Heart problem?

SOJ off
SPS on

Bulldogs on
Carlton off

Coincidence?

Obviously ridiculous to lay the blame for that loss on SPS. He wasn’t great but you can’t really glean a form line on a quarter of footy entering the game at 3/4 time.


Need to look further ..,.Cripps and Williams both horribly out of form and Jones makes so many stupid decisions and is a teammate wrecking ball, continually clattering into our players.

Pittonet, Newnes, Cottrell, Parks, Casboult, Gibbons, Curnow, Plowman try hard but either lack the finish or decision making of better players. They’ll continue to make errors, we’ll all be frustrated, but generally their effort out good. Clearly if we’re to rise up the ladder we can’t carry so many of this type of player.

Bontempelli showed everybody how a real leader leads.

 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #17
Obviously ridiculous to lay the blame for that loss on SPS. He wasn’t great but you can’t really glean a form line on a quarter of footy entering the game at 3/4 time.

I'm not blaming the loss on him.

But Jack going down was the turning point. Momentum turned after that.
Despite SPS' heroics last week (as i pointed out pre-game) it is far from common from him and he offered us nothing when he came on.


Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #18
Is it just me or is the body language of Cripps similar to a guy keeping a secret from his mates and it’s weighing heavily on his mind?  Either that or he is injured. Take your pick. 

Or maybe he just isn’t as good as he was. It’s a faster outside game now and he has been found out big time for leg speed and fitness.

When you really look at it he is only elite at extracting the ball. He’s an average ball user by foot, poor kick for goal, below average fitness and absolutely horrible defensively. And no clue how to play forward.
I hate to admit it but Kane Cornes is right. He’s overrated and not at all damaging in the current game. Imo I hope we look very seriously into what is offered to let him go home.
I’m over him

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #19
Bontempelli's stats.

32 disposals (=game high)
19 Contested possessions (game high)
8 Tackles (2nd highest of the game)
10 Inside 50's (2nd....5 above 3rd)
10 Clearances (2nd)
5 Centre clearances (2nd)
12 Score involvements (=game high)
617m Gained (2nd)
2 goal assists (=game high)

3 Brownlow votes

THAT was the ballgame.
Plus Bruce...Jones had a shocker including that non spoil on the Bont in the last quarter.
Saad had a shocker too, dumb frees when it mattered and Williams was a non event.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #20
I'm not blaming the loss on him.

But Jack going down was the turning point. Momentum turned after that.
Despite SPS' heroics last week (as i pointed out pre-game) it is far from common from him and he offered us nothing when he came on.

Yes a real shame that JSOS went down

SPS needs to start kicking longer and backing himself more - he plays like a guy that doesn’t believe in himself, so takes the easy options.

Our worst players today were arguably our more well regarded players so not sure where we go from here.


Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #21
Again, when serious heat comes, we wilt - too many passengers. That final qtr was simply deplorable, and says exactly where we are against quality opposition - we do it far too often for it to be anything other than in our DNA.

We had some very good moments, but plenty of bottom sides have good moments.

We still rely on individuals. Weitering, Doc, Eduardo, H, Walsh & Cuningham - their individual skills were impressive.

I'm yet to see why all the fuss about this Williams.

Baffled as to why changes weren't made in the box during the final qtr.

I think we have to be realistic, we're a bottom 6 side.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #22
A lot of passengers today - way too many.

And some highly paid ones at that.

Not going to beat a good team with only 12-14 guys putting in.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #23
Again, when serious heat comes, we wilt - too many passengers. That final qtr was simply deplorable, and says exactly where we are against quality opposition - we do it far too often for it to be anything other than in our DNA.

We had some very good moments, but plenty of bottom sides have good moments.

We still rely on individuals. Weitering, Doc, Eduardo, H, Walsh & Cuningham - their individual skills were impressive.

I'm yet to see why all the fuss about this Williams.

Baffled as to why changes weren't made in the box during the final qtr.

I think we have to be realistic, we're a bottom 6 side.

Williams was a good player at GWS, but hasn’t fired a shot at Carlton. Why?

Did we get this horribly wrong?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #24
Williams was a good player at GWS, but hasn’t fired a shot at Carlton. Why?

Did we get this horribly wrong?
Played as a half back at GWS in the main...the midfield experiment hasnt worked.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #25
Ive had enough of this crap - we were 5 goals up ffs and can’t hold on, can’t stop a run of 8 goals! 8
Goals ffs! How is that acceptable!???

To blame SPS is ridiculous, guy had one quarter on ffs.   Stupid kicking OOTF how does that happen continuously, dont say pressure.

Just over it

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #26
One thing I didn't like was 9 goals out of 12 kicked by 2 blokes, one of which has one foot in the grave. I'd like to see a greater spread than that. I hope Teague isn't playing the superstar reliance card.

Why shouldn't he if the player happens to perform and more than earn his keep?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #27
Twice in the last we had no one stand on the mark for gods sake, a basic basic act to apply at least a bit of pressure, and no one thinks to do it?

We need a captain that will settle the troops, will lead by example, when having an off day will still lead where he can! Not good enough, the leadership in last, not even close.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #28
Well.....thats a bit embarrassing.

Hitouts
33 Pittonet
8 Casboult

17 Sweet
5 Bruce

Disposals
17 Pittonet
9 Sweet

Clearances
7 Pittonet (most for Carlton, 3rd behind Bont + Libba)
1 Sweet


I can't get hitout to advantage stats yet, but i don't think Pittonet was the problem.
Cripps being MIA, Williams appearing on the team sheet, but barely sighted on the ground, SPS doing similar after Jack went off....


You know what’s embarrassing - anyone that tries to justify that performance using stats.
I watched the game and him in particular very closely apart from costing us 2 goals to frees he had no fking clue how to palm the ball to any sort of advantage. I reckon they could have used Daniels on the ruck and Pit wouldn’t know how to exploit it. Bombers did the same thing last week used a kid against him cause they know he has no clue.
You trying to defend his ruck work is like me telling you Casboult is a great AFL footballer based on the stats I throw at you.
Both are lucky to be 2nds standard but we have no stocks to turn to so they keep getting a game. 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #29
TDK very good today