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The opposition run on

The 'opposition run on'

Why is it happening so often?
How do we stop it?

No doubt it's a topic of hot discussion amongst our coaching group.
They're struggling to find the answer.

There seems to be a couple of 'schools of thought' at a supporter level....

Some see us as 'very close'. We dominate games for long stretches. If we can just stop these constant periods where the opposition get a bit of run... we'll be there!

Other see us as still a 'fair way away'. A line up that's far from settled. To them it just seems the opposition have to press a button, go up a level, and we have no answer.

Is it a mental/attitude thing? (not coming ready to play, switching off when in a winning position)
Is it a personnel issue (players capable of the shutdown)
Is it a 'fitness issue'? (possibly, but many of these lapses occur in early parts of a game.)
Is it a leadership problem when these runs occur? (Who stands up?)
Is it a coaching issue (moves that don't occur, or don't work)?

(All of the above?)




Re: The opposition run on

Reply #1
The 'opposition run on'

Why is it happening so often?
How do we stop it?

No doubt it's a topic of hot discussion amongst our coaching group.
They're struggling to find the answer.

There seems to be a couple of 'schools of thought' at a supporter level....

Some see us as 'very close'. We dominate games for long stretches. If we can just stop these constant periods where the opposition get a bit of run... we'll be there!

Other see us as still a 'fair way away'. A line up that's far from settled. To them it just seems the opposition have to press a button, go up a level, and we have no answer.

Is it a mental/attitude thing? (not coming ready to play, switching off when in a winning position)
Is it a personnel issue (players capable of the shutdown)
Is it a 'fitness issue'? (possibly, but many of these lapses occur in early parts of a game.)
Is it a leadership problem when these runs occur? (Who stands up?)
Is it a coaching issue (moves that don't occur, or don't work)?

(All of the above?)





1. On-field leadership. Too much reliance on too few - too many passengers/lack of discipline.
2. Reactionary game day changes only.
3. Loser in-ground culture resulting from 20 + years of instability = zero killer instinct - fold under pressure/brittle confidence/not enough mongrel.
4. Injuries to key personnel / playing injured & poor performing blokes.
5. Is the game plan designed to suit the list (?) or are we trying to make blokes into things they're not - square peg, round hole syndrome.

Just some thought starters.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #2
It is a lack of self belief ( probably justified) within a group of players who know that when pressured they are not good enough mentally or skill wise to deal with quality opposition.

When added to a complete lack of leadership onfield when the pressure is applied and little or no help from the coaches' box, we have a perfect recipe for producing the disgraceful last quarter performance we had yesterday.

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Reply #3
Its all of the above, I think in this order:
Fitness/Mental - These two go hand in hand (Mens Sana in Corpore Sano), something not quite right it seems. We fall away physically and aren't competitive which lets teams in. I dont see us as having elite fitness, we look out on our feet at (the wrong) times. Healthy mind then leads to good decisions. we are poor decision makers (e.g Jones trying to mark instead of spoil and kill it).
Coaching - When the above starts to happen, the coaches need to make the right move or have a plan/tactic at the right time. The coach said they tried stuff and didn't work, did they?
Leadership - Onfield to drive the coaching move or game plan/tactic when needed. They need to see it before the coaches do almost. Forget Cripps, he is busy trying to win a Brownlow and be the hero. Doc should be doing much better in this regards given his coaching aspirations. This is the one we are poorest at it seems.
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot

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Reply #4
You didn't list personnel but get the following in and things are different:
TDK (in place of Levi)
C Curnow (a fit one, in place of Cottrell)
Fisher (in place of Gibbons)
Martin (in place of Newnes)
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot

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Reply #5
You didn't list personnel but get the following in and things are different:
TDK (in place of Levi)
C Curnow (a fit one, in place of Cottrell)
Fisher (in place of Gibbons)
Martin (in place of Newnes)

I did mention personnel...but from a shut down/stopping point of view.
Who was looking after Bont in the last quarter. (probably needed two or three.)

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Reply #6
I did mention personnel...but from a shut down/stopping point of view.
Who was looking after Bont in the last quarter. (probably needed two or three.)

Not sure anyone was solely responsible.

I made a comment that he was the only person we had to stop before the floodgates opened....in the 3rd.
Soon after he was taking intercept marks in D50, and linking up through the middle. Did it a couple times.
In the last he lifted another gear and was helping out down in defence, pushing forward hard and was obviously in the midfield too.
He went wherever he wanted to go, wherever he needed to go and we simply didn't have a good matchup for him.

I suspect we were trying to 'swap out' or 'handover' when he went deep one end or the other, and because he did it so often, he was often without an opponent nearby.

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Reply #7
I did mention personnel...but from a shut down/stopping point of view.
Who was looking after Bont in the last quarter. (probably needed two or three.)
I keep saying it but when you have Cripps in the middle his man is a free spirit and if its someone decent then you have real problems. The coach keeps backing Cripps in to win the day, get more ball, do more damage etc but the reality is he isnt doing any of that on a consistent basis and if its the Bont, Macrae, Treloar etc playing as his man they are going to carve us up.
From memory Ed had Treloar, Libba had Walsh which meant the Bont would have been the spare on Cripps...

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I keep saying it but when you have Cripps in the middle his man is a free spirit and if its someone decent then you have real problems. The coach keeps backing Cripps in to win the day, get more ball, do more damage etc but the reality is he isnt doing any of that on a consistent basis and if its the Bont, Macrae, Treloar etc playing as his man they are going to carve us up.
From memory Ed had Treloar, Libba had Walsh which meant the Bont would have been the spare on Cripps...
We did well for three qtrs EB.
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot


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Reply #10
We did well for three qtrs EB.
Carlton used to win games all the time by playing one (Premiership)quarter back in the good old days.
A wise supporter told me that.........😉
You look at the Bonts stats vs Cripps and tell me you can get away with teams better mids getting a free ride when they play on our co captain.. I remember Collingwood started this with Pendlebury a season or two back, Saints copied with Steele and now every club does it.


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Reply #11
The run on.

Its really simple.  We convert one behind to a goal, and that run on is a non event.

We compound the issue, by using the ball poorly, and making stupid decisions (like playing on from a pack mark on the wing and getting done for holding the ball).

Its the biggest misnomer in history to worry about run ons like they are habitual patterns that play out because we cant or wont stop it.  We can, we just dont, because we miss too many easy shots for goal.

Geelong kicked 8 in a row against the reigning premiers on friday night.  Richmond fumbled and they scored a lot.  Stop fumbling so much, and this is the magic potion that stops it, retain possession and take the momentum back.

Its the number one way to arrest the momentum turn, and that is possess the footy.

We turn it over.  Stop the turnovers, stop the run ons.
Come on you Blue FLAGGERS!!

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #12
Carlton used to win games all the time by playing one (Premiership)quarter back in the good old days.
A wise supporter told me that.........😉
You look at the Bonts stats vs Cripps and tell me you can get away with teams better mids getting a free ride when they play on our co captain.. I remember Collingwood started this with Pendlebury a season or two back, Saints copied with Steele and now every club does it.


I agree with you, all I was saying is we did a lot right and well for 3 qtrs against the second best team in the comp.
As far as the Cripps v Bont argument, Bont has nudged ahead. Better impact player, better leader (from a supporter looking in)  and a slightly more reliable kick for goal.
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot

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Reply #13
I agree with you, all I was saying is we did a lot right and well for 3 qtrs against the second best team in the comp.
As far as the Cripps v Bont argument, Bont has nudged ahead. Better impact player, better leader (from a supporter looking in)  and a slightly more reliable kick for goal.
Think the Bont has bolted ahead, his skills are better and he is a strong unit, in the last quarter we just couldnt restrain him even when he was tackled. Cripps was like Samson but Russell decided to play Deliah and cut his size back  to make him quicker and its been downhill since with him being injured and teams showing him no respect by not playing taggers on him but playing their better mids so they get a free run once the stoppage has finished like I said.
The modern quicker game has caught up with him and when you are slow to start with and then have to carry the team on your back along with your own injuries its made him as much a liability as a weapon.
We did do a lot right but never really had them by the throat and I think we all knew what was coming at 3/4 time.....

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Reply #14
Think the Bont has bolted ahead, his skills are better and he is a strong unit, in the last quarter we just couldnt restrain him even when he was tackled. Cripps was like Samson but Russell decided to play Deliah and cut his size back  to make him quicker and its been downhill since with him being injured and teams showing him no respect by not playing taggers on him but playing their better mids so they get a free run once the stoppage has finished like I said.
The modern quicker game has caught up with him and when you are slow to start with and then have to carry the team on your back along with your own injuries its made him as much a liability as a weapon.
We did do a lot right but never really had them by the throat and I think we all knew what was coming at 3/4 time.....
He's heavier this year, he stripped a few kegs off last year.
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot