Well.
Footy is just about done and dusted, crickets looking up if you are interested. But there is one contest that affects us all, whether you are interested or not!
Many have been saying for sometime, what we really want is Rudd-v-Turnbull. Now the polls are starting to state the bleeding obvious, like it is some sort of great media revelation. They media was all Rudd boosters until 48hrs ago when he told the journalists and commentators their company car would be taxed. FFS, Alan Jones might even need to pay some tax as well! How dare Rudd act this way, old Jonesy has worked hard for decades to lord his success over the weak, poor and miserable he need not contribute to welfare!
The only people hanging onto Abbott are the Coalition's very own Turnbull haters, ostriches, elderly patriarchs and geriatric nuffas. They are the head in the sand climate change deniers who think all technology is evil, they express this view regularly with every letter that they pen and post! Ahh, the rising price of stamps all Labors fault, I am stuck living in poverty I will never be able to buy that seventh house! If this keeps up my privately funded retirement might fall below $3k/week!
These are the people who share Abbott's archaic outlook, not his public opinion, but what he really believes! Broadband bad, ideas bad, change bad, spending bad, the answer to all questions is no!
Arise Sir Malcolm, time to flick your trusty decoy for the ride into the battle of the big chair! Free us from this alternate tyranny of deceit, the smiling death the grinning grave digger. Fear not for him he will survive the shock, his wisdom is worldly, he knows Sh1t Happens!
I vote Labor but would gladly vote conservative if Turnbull was the leader.
Primarily because our best chance at becoming a Republic is if we have a republican conservative PM.
I vote Labor but would gladly vote conservative if Turnbull was the leader.
Primarily because our best chance at becoming a Republic is if we have a republican conservative PM.
I think Abbott believes we need a Roman style Caeser, but I'd vote for a republic too! He may have already had the wreath fitted!
Republic, Republic!
I vote Labor but would gladly vote conservative if Turnbull was the leader.
Primarily because our best chance at becoming a Republic is if we have a republican conservative PM.
I think Abbott believes we need a Roman style Caeser, but I'd vote for a republic too!
Republic, Republic!
The only Roman he's worried about is Roman Catholic.
Gizzard did her share of fecking Australia big time.
Now we have the return of KRudd, King Dip Schit Part II, he is still is an absolute wanker !!!! :-*
Today we have the attack FBT, to save two bits of SFA from Labour's over spending ::)
What's next in the lunatics of Labour peripheral vision...... Hey why don't they attack negative gearing (again), which will surely do wonders for the housing crisis.
KRudd's new bestblowjobboy Treasurer is nothing but a minion's muppet. :))
I am amazed at the stupidity of these sods, they wouldn't be able to hold a position in a public or private company.
The only people hanging onto Abbott are the Coalition's very own Turnbull haters, ostriches, elderly patriarchs and geriatric nuffas. They are the head in the sand climate change deniers who think all technology is evil, they express this view regularly with every letter that they pen and post! Ahh, the rising price of stamps all Labors fault, I am stuck living in poverty I will never be able to buy that seventh house! If this keeps up my privately funded retirement might fall below $3k/week!
Unfortunately these folk's representatives have the numbers in the party room.
....and it's two minutes to midnight.
Might be a bit too late ;)
I oppose the idea of a republic for a variety of reasons. One being the historical aspect but another being the cost involved. Just try and think of all the paraphernalia that would need to be changes. Starting from every button on every policeman's uniform, crested paper, etc, etc. right up to a total re-write of the constution. (something that would take over a decade these days.) Then we have the problem of who becomes the president and how are they to be selected. It needs to be in a way in which they can be ousted quickly (today's G/G can have their commission withdrawn reasonably easy and quickly) How about State Gov's? All state government rules need to be re-written. No you cannot just white-out G.G. or State G. and type in another name, it would be a far wider ranging task. All of these things would require a huge number of inputs from volunteer self-professed academics not to mention the huge number of paid jobs that would have to be old. Think of the court battles to challenge each and every process/statement/idea. The task would be enormous. Currently the process works well. Why change it?
I stand by my original post, before he wrecks the joint Tony Abbott must go!
Not only has he started hurting his opponents, but he is stuffing his backers as well, members of his own party are turning rapidly.
Tony Abbott is making George Jnr seem worldly and competent!
- Double the debt limit.
- Piss off the neighbors.
- Sack the future.
- Say nothing, see nothing, know nothing.
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Arise Sir Malcolm, FFS the sooner you do it the better!
Can't even stand the sight of the man. His daughters, on the other hand. ;D
I oppose the idea of a republic for a variety of reasons. One being the historical aspect but another being the cost involved. Just try and think of all the paraphernalia that would need to be changes. Starting from every button on every policeman's uniform, crested paper, etc, etc. right up to a total re-write of the constution. (something that would take over a decade these days.) Then we have the problem of who becomes the president and how are they to be selected. It needs to be in a way in which they can be ousted quickly (today's G/G can have their commission withdrawn reasonably easy and quickly) How about State Gov's? All state government rules need to be re-written. No you cannot just white-out G.G. or State G. and type in another name, it would be a far wider ranging task. All of these things would require a huge number of inputs from volunteer self-professed academics not to mention the huge number of paid jobs that would have to be old. Think of the court battles to challenge each and every process/statement/idea. The task would be enormous. Currently the process works well. Why change it?
The defeat of the republic debate was a well orchestrated con job by Howard. The fact is that there was and is no reason to elect a president. The current system is a testament to that. There would not be a requirement to restructure other than reference to president in place of reference to Governor General in Constitution. Celestial rule contradicts the very notion of democratic equality.
Bring on a republic I say.
I vote Labor but would gladly vote conservative if Turnbull was the leader.
Primarily because our best chance at becoming a Republic is if we have a republican conservative PM.
One of the most interesting books ive read is Malcom Turnbull's account and diary notes of the republic debate. Awesome account of what went on behind the scenes from the person who headed the campaign- Title is --> Fighting for the republic.
Would be glad to see the Libs replace their current leader and for this bloke to take over.
The defeat of the republic debate was a well orchestrated con job by Howard. The fact is that there was and is no reason to elect a president. The current system is a testament to that. There would not be a requirement to restructure other than reference to president in place of reference to Governor General in Constitution. Celestial rule contradicts the very notion of democratic equality.
Bring on a republic I say.
Yes, I am afraid I agree, I even read somewhere there are members of the UK royal family that now agree. They have made comment about us being similar to the child who cannot let go of mum's apron strings.
The other aspects of the debate are spurious, and the majority of the very high profile protesters seem to have vested interest like possible knighthoods and the like.
I equally blame the left wing loonies for the fact the republic vote failed. OK it wasn't the plebeian model they wanted but at least it was the chance for a republic - a chance lost, and lost for many years to come! >:(
It could have been modified by further referenda down the track if we thought it wasn't working but to vote "NO" at the time was a baaaaad mistake IMO and the only winners were the royalists.
Would be glad to see the Libs replace their current leader and for this bloke to take over.
Well if Abbott's right wing NSW cronies keep crapping on the Nationals at the rate they are doing so right now you might get your wish. But I am skeptical, could some of the stuff happening be the start of the Liberals giving the Nationals the flick? There are a lot of disgruntled party members on both sides at the moment!
Lets see what happens to Banannaby when Grain Corp gets privatized!
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His eyes might pop right out!
it was the chance for a republic - a chance lost, and lost for many years to come! >:(
I think your spot on.. it will be a long time before all the necessary stars fall in place again, ie a future monarch with a level of popularity (to steal a phrase from chopper Reid) equivalent to "
a pork chop in a synagogue, ", A Prime Minister with the passion and vision for cultural growth, and world circumstances conducive to independence. I suspect it wont happen in our life time unfortunately.
I equally blame the left wing loonies for the fact the republic vote failed. OK it wasn't the plebeian model they wanted but at least it was the chance for a republic - a chance lost, and lost for many years to come! >:(
It could have been modified by further referenda down the track if we thought it wasn't working but to vote "NO" at the time was a baaaaad mistake IMO and the only winners were the royalists.
On the money, there, Fluffy Biscuit. The very wording of the referendum and subsequent options doomed it to failure from the start. Should have been the simple question of yes or no to a Republic... then work out the model options and put them to the electorate for vote.
And, yes, the far left of the Labor Party has lost the plot... the far right of the Liberal Party has always lost the plot but now they've had two consecutive leaders (Howard and Abbott) who are only there due to the terrible failure of the Labor party to put forward a relevant / viable option.
Don't get me started on Abbott :-X :-X >:(
The fact that he's Prime Minister reflects terribly poorly on the Labor Party ;)
The fact that he's Prime Minister reflects terribly poorly on the Labor Party ;)
yep
both retrospectively and (in the immediate term) prospectively.
The fact that he's Prime Minister reflects terribly poorly on the Labor Party ;)
The people don't vote for the Prime Minister. The fact he is PM reflects purely on those who voted for him as their party leader.
I'd gladly accept Mal as PM but Abbott is a complete tool.
I thought the changes put forward to the constitution and the model selected were good ones. I voted yes to the referendum question (no to John Howard's mateship rubbish) but I think the No vote reflected that Australians, as a whole, didn't know what they really wanted or even what they were saying yes to.
As for Turnbull, he had his shot and did worse than Abbott, bit rich to now say he'd be a better PM when he was a flat out failure as opposition leader.
That good for nothing Gillard is out and that is all that counts. The other tools left will screw things up for us , but at a slower rate. Abbott getting in just shows how poor a job the Labor party has done of gaining the peoples confidence. Gillard and Rudd clown show over the past few years have cost them big time.
Thought he was doing a good job.
That good for nothing Gillard is out and that is all that counts. The other tools left will screw things up for us , but at a slower rate. Abbott getting in just shows how poor a job the Labor party has done of gaining the peoples confidence. Gillard and Rudd clown show over the past few years have cost them big time.
Considering the Murdoch press got Abbott into power with the never ending negative spin cycle, Gillard pushed through an enormous amount of legislation in the face of a lot of embarrassing nay saying by the then opposition. Wonder how clever Scott Morrisson thinks he is now...what a Turkey. Was bloody sad to have my mother in Dublin asking me who the guy with the big ears is in our government....he looked like a fool she said. I said, why yes Mum, he most certainly is that.
We all have and are entitled to have our own views on whether Labor did as badly as the pro Abbott press want you to believe. The truth is no doubt somewhere in the middle.
As for questioning Turnbull's ability as potential leader if Abbott continues down this path...do not forget that he only lost the leadership by a single vote because of nasty backstabbing climate sceptics like Minchin screwing him over..
When Turnbull was subsequently defeated for the Liberal Party leadership by Tony Abbott, Turnbull stated on ABC Radio: "As Tony [Abbott] observed on one occasion, 'climate change is crap', or if you consider his mentor, Senator Minchin, the world is not warming, it's cooling and the climate change issue is part of a vast left-wing conspiracy to deindustrialise the world". This is also from the guy who questioned the addictive nature of Nicotine and health dangers of passive smoking. He would have made an excellent Republican in the GOP. Feckin drop kick.
How things could have looked different if Turnbull was still leader. Does the man have an ego? Sure does. Is it of real relevance, not at all. He is extremely intelligent, self made, a moderate who looks to both sides of the debate. Never mind the fact that he looks and acts like a Statesman.
It is hard to do the right thing and respect the office of the Prime Minister, no matter who is sitting in the seat. But it's the right thing to do.
Woody, I hear what your saying and it is hard to argue with you. Perception among the community cost those in power, and even the best candidate will have their power stripped back, once the entire party doesn't appear to be on the same page. I would never want the job myself, but I feel we have been fooled too many times by too many leaders. Don't pee on my feet and tell me it is raining. This is my experience from what I hear them say, and then actually do. Give me a leader that can truly bridge the gap between to lower class earners and average working class families, comparing to the over fat cats (rich class) and I will listen with open ears. Not a carbon tax that appears to be helping us while our utility costs run through the roof. Real taxing changes that help us living from one day to the next. Those that lodge tax returns to get a cheque of $200 in an entire years work. Comparing to those who get tax returns that would be enough to buy a brand new car, house, or power boat just because they can.
I'm not saying anything against your post Woody. I just feel Mr little significance here has no way of helping my living standards improve if I don't do something about it myself. The government has never had my confidence. Tony hasn't done a terrible job by what I have seen at the moment, but given time he can easily prove me wrong. Its hard to please the masses, but the people in power don't work for less than $800 per week either. I wonder how long they would feed a family on this amount of money. Without any of their current benefits. ???
That good for nothing Gillard is out and that is all that counts. The other tools left will screw things up for us , but at a slower rate. Abbott getting in just shows how poor a job the Labor party has done of gaining the peoples confidence. Gillard and Rudd clown show over the past few years have cost them big time.
Wo, Green Stick, dear buddy. Those who've met Julia say just one thing... how come she doesn't come across on the media as she does in person?
The Labor Party shambles will likely keep the conservatives in for a good while. Shorten is a back room boy... and unaccostomed to being an accountable leader. Listening to him is like listening to some soft, insignificant melody.
The Labor Party will keep Abbott in the top job.
The fact that he's Prime Minister reflects terribly poorly on the Labor Party ;)
The people don't vote for the Prime Minister. The fact he is PM reflects purely on those who voted for him as their party leader.
I'd gladly accept Mal as PM but Abbott is a complete tool.
Nope
It reflects poorly on the Labor party because even with Abbott as leader they copped a walloping.
The reason he's there is because the Australian people decided that the party he leads should govern.
You can't say they didn't know who was leading that party.....and despite that (and in a few cases because of that) they picked Tony.
Despite what people may think, the electorate isn't stupid....... and the Labor Party weren't able to provide a contest.
One of the major factors in that was the leadership of that party....fractured and unable to command respect.
Hopefully they can re-assemble and make a contest next time around.
The major factor in Tone's Triumph IMO was that the Labor Party was, and maybe still is, an absolute self-destructive shambles that is obsessed by its own navel and Julia was seen as the evil party in the Rudd assassination.
Shorten, who in my view is an opportunistic snake in the grass, has his work cut out to re-establish even a small degree of credibility and, unless the Coalition stuffs up massively, Labor will face years in the wilderness.
Having said that I think the Coalition certainly does have, within its range of core talents, the capacity and talent to make a massive stuff-up.
If you are talking major factors in Tone's triumph you can't ignore three years of 100% solid cheerleading from every one of the Murdoch Mouths.
Everything Labour said was rubbish and did was a disaster.
Everything Tone spouted was fact, and the country could only be saved by putting Tone in the chair ASAP.
As the propaganda masters know if you say a lie often and loudly enough it gains traction, especially if brayed in unison by a herd.
Labour was far from perfect - but no-where near as bad as they were portrayed.
The structural tax deficit is largely due to upper and middle class welfare put in place by Howard. First thing Tone does is to cut super benefits to all but the rich. Murdoch approves.
The major factor in Tone's Triumph IMO was that the Labor Party was, and maybe still is, an absolute self-destructive shambles that is obsessed by its own navel and Julia was seen as the evil party in the Rudd assassination.
Shorten, who in my view is an opportunistic snake in the grass, has his work cut out to re-establish even a small degree of credibility and, unless the Coalition stuffs up massively, Labor will face years in the wilderness.
Having said that I think the Coalition certainly does have, within its range of core talents, the capacity and talent to make a massive stuff-up.
Spot on......,.on each of the point raised.
@Yobbarella
If you say so - I don't personally read the Murdoch press myself.
Can't stand Abbott but don't see Turnbull as much of an improvement to be honest.
Just wish Labour had a couple of decent leaders in the ranks ...........
Was just reading a news report on the proposed dismantling of carbon tax legislation and cracked up laughing when I read the nickname Abbott used to refer to Shorten...."Electricity Bill" pmsl
What a wasted exercise voting is.
The eventual winning hero sticks around long enough to become the villian, and more often the people are to choose for the lesser of two evils.
We are given the illusion of choice where the choice is akin to monty pythons Judean People's Front or the People's Front if Judea.
They may as well cut funding for it and save us from ripping ourselves off. I cant help but think that it might save more money than any other government will if we didnt have to vote. Sure we all want a voice but in this contect i wonder if they just bamboozle us into q no choice situation.
Was just reading a news report on the proposed dismantling of carbon tax legislation and cracked up laughing when I read the nickname Abbott used to refer to Shorten...."Electricity Bill" pmsl
Used it again this morning...
Laurie Oakes wasn't impressed.. "He'll have to do better than that."
The "Electricity Bill" thing is obviously a strategy some genius in the backroom has thought up.
It'll get a chuckle the first time we hear it but it will quickly get a bit lame if it's used constantly (as I suspect it will) over the coming weeks.
What a wasted exercise voting is.
There in lays the rub, if apathy rules the likes of Abbott win and that would be bad for all of us!
The younguns know the state of play far better than we give them credit for. Through the skills they garnish from using social media they are far more up to date than older people give them credit for. But the young have to be aware that for a short term impact they must also take on traditional media, in the long term the young will win, the likes of Murdoch are deprecated already he just doesn't know it. The Murdoch's of the world a pushing to segregate the privatise the Internet as I type by network control, but they have little hope. TCP/IP was designed by idealogs to avoid just such a possibility.
The oldies, the silver haired blue rinse set, they keep buying a daily copy of Murdoch's dunny rolls to read before wiping their wrinkly ar5e on it. They suck down vitriolic content from those aligned to the likes of Jones and Bolt as daily transfusion for a dying vampire, as they ponder bitterly where their life has gone and why the mirror looks the way it does and if they can raise the rent on another five properties. Jones specifically goes the whole hog, he is too old to change, and he will organise more PM private yacht tours and get his head patted completely bald by the NSW Right.
Bolt is more cunning, he is already starting to distance himself from the Murdoch stance. He knows his long term future will lie elsewhere and he won't attach himself to the decaying so strongly, but he won't be moved from the dinner table just yet, there are more courses to come. He is arrogant, but not imbecilic like Jones, Jones is too near the end.
In the meantime Abbott continues to crumble Australia's reputation, the world thinks we have voted in a Redneck and has labeled us all the same. The US has politicians like Abbott, Tea Partarians, but even the US wasn't stupid enough to vote them into power, at least not yet!
References to GOP may be all too valid!
As for that "Electricity Bill" tag it is ironic to see Abbott reverting to Keatonian references, but then again I wonder who Abbott's political hero's really are?
What a wasted exercise voting is.
In the meantime Abbott continues to crumble Australia's reputation, the world thinks we have voted in a Redneck and has labeled us all the same. The US has politicians like Abbott, Tea Partarians, but even the US wasn't stupid enough to vote them into power, at least not yet!
You're the second person I've heard/seen refer to the Tea party this morning.
The first was Tony Abbott :D
He was using it in a derogatory fashion to describe the Labor Party's tactics.
Politics is funny. ;D
How's your ABC sound technician illegitimate son going, Tony?
What a wasted exercise voting is.
There in lays the rub, if apathy rules the likes of Abbott win and that would be bad for all of us!
Don't call it apathy. You give too much credit to our "rulers".
I care. I legitimately am given no choice. I cant throw my vote away as a donkey vote empowers the people already running the country.
I can vote for some minority sex party, pirate party, etc but they are idealists who will never be able to influence real change. Instead I get to choose Moron A vs Moron B with the major thing differenciating the two is how they will waste tax payers money on different schemes that are also not there to make a real difference but are policies built on winning votes and public perception of making a difference.
I work in the public sector. My view on governments and how they use money has shifted vastly after seeing just how they use money in public health. Its downright diabolical in terms of how they infringe on people's rights in the name of accounting. Not to mention they shuffle money in buckets in order to show that they are spending less here and wasting it over somewhere else instead so they can keep their budget size. Not to mention the end of financial year spending on things that are not required in order to keep that same level of funding in their budget. Ive seen some very expensive equipment replaced and thrown away as not for profit organisations cant do anything with an income.
:(
There must be a better way of doing things.
What a wasted exercise voting is.
There in lays the rub, if apathy rules the likes of Abbott win and that would be bad for all of us!
The younguns know the state of play far better than we give them credit for. Through the skills they garnish from using social media they are far more up to date than older people give them credit for. But the young have to be aware that for a short term impact they must also take on traditional media, in the long term the young will win, the likes of Murdoch are deprecated already he just doesn't know it. The Murdoch's of the world a pushing to segregate the privatise the Internet as I type by network control, but they have little hope. TCP/IP was designed by idealogs to avoid just such a possibility.
The oldies, the silver haired blue rinse set, they keep buying a daily copy of Murdoch's dunny rolls to read before wiping their wrinkly ar5e on it. They suck down vitriolic content from those aligned to the likes of Jones and Bolt as daily transfusion for a dying vampire, as they ponder bitterly where their life has gone and why the mirror looks the way it does and if they can raise the rent on another five properties. Jones specifically goes the whole hog, he is too old to change, and he will organise more PM private yacht tours and get his head patted completely bald by the NSW Right.
Bolt is more cunning, he is already starting to distance himself from the Murdoch stance. He knows his long term future will lie elsewhere and he won't attach himself to the decaying so strongly, but he won't be moved from the dinner table just yet, there are more courses to come. He is arrogant, but not imbecilic like Jones, Jones is too near the end.
In the meantime Abbott continues to crumble Australia's reputation, the world thinks we have voted in a Redneck and has labeled us all the same. The US has politicians like Abbott, Tea Partarians, but even the US wasn't stupid enough to vote them into power, at least not yet!
References to GOP may be all too valid!
As for that "Electricity Bill" tag it is ironic to see Abbott reverting to Keatonian references, but then again I wonder who Abbott's political hero's really are?
If you truly believe support for either party is defined by age groups, you need to look again. There's a reason the LNP are in power ... and it isn't for their policies ....
The utter incompetence of the labor party together with their decision to align themsleves with fringe parties have killed them for three elections.
If you truly believe support for either party is defined by age groups, you need to look again. There's a reason the LNP are in power ... and it isn't for their policies ....
The utter incompetence of the labor party together with their decision to align themsleves with fringe parties have killed them for three elections.
I didn't make an assertion about an ageist electorate, I did talk about the alignment of elderly voters to the LNP and their dependence on traditional media for the daily grind. But I did not talk about the alignments of young voters or the middle aged, my general comments were specifically apolitical.
I referred to the apathy of the middle aged and I also discussed the awareness of the young voters relative to the rest of the electorate. I suspect Abbott's policy of silence will not wash with the kids who do not rely on Murdoch media for their information, and Abbott's support from people who keep young ones out of the housing market will act as a negative for him within a short period of time. The time when controlling the media determines your fate is quickly passing for politicians, and I suspect Abbott is just such a relic of the old ways who's time has passed. Politics is no longer conducted in the church hall while you are busy counting the Sunday collections!
You're the second person I've heard/seen refer to the Tea party this morning.
The first was Tony Abbott :D
He was using it in a derogatory fashion to describe the Labor Party's tactics.
Politics is funny. ;D
It is truly ironic that Abbott throws such a rock, it is like he was trying to get in first, the accused accusing the accuser!
But seriously, the Tea Party is right wing fundamentalist Christian discrimination masquerading as a workers political movement. Over here the Exclusive Brethren would be a major backer.
In the meantime under Abbott's revisions, rewards for his supporters some claim, media pundits like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt can now sledge their critics using descriptions of their skin color as part of the political debate and feel protected. Yet it is "The Others" who are the Tea Party! Really!
Any of you "pale aboriginals" as Bolt allegedly describes you who now take offense bad luck!
In Asia, critics would say Tony Abbott has no face.
All these events just aren't right, and that is without discussing Thryleon's economic argument, or the slashing of research related positions and loss of the associated jobs in bureaucracy. All we hear about is the unions related redundancies, for every one in that sector there may be an equivalent in academia, research or bureaucracy that is not union aligned.
The time when controlling the media determines your fate is quickly passing for politicians, and I suspect Abbott is just such a relic of the old ways who's time has passed. Politics is no longer conducted in the church hall while you are busy counting the Sunday collections!
That's what they used to say about Howard ;)
You can't say his time has passed....it's right NOW!
PM is as good as it gets.
I'm not sure he'll last though.....although, once again....that's what they used to say about Howard.
I'm not sure he'll last though.....although, once again....that's what they used to say about Howard.
Hard to see him losing the next election and probably the one after that.
If you truly believe support for either party is defined by age groups, you need to look again. There's a reason the LNP are in power ... and it isn't for their policies ....
The utter incompetence of the labor party together with their decision to align themsleves with fringe parties have killed them for three elections.
I didn't make an assertion about an ageist electorate, I did talk about the alignment of elderly voters to the LNP and their dependence on traditional media for the daily grind. But I did not talk about the alignments of young voters or the middle aged, my general comments were specifically apolitical.
I referred to the apathy of the middle aged and I also discussed the awareness of the young voters relative to the rest of the electorate. I suspect Abbott's policy of silence will not wash with the kids who do not rely on Murdoch media for their information, and Abbott's support from people who keep young ones out of the housing market will act as a negative for him within a short period of time. The time when controlling the media determines your fate is quickly passing for politicians, and I suspect Abbott is just such a relic of the old ways who's time has passed. Politics is no longer conducted in the church hall while you are busy counting the Sunday collections!
Suggest you conduct a poll in the western and northern suburbs of Melbourne and ask those 50 and over their political affiliations. You might be surprised .....
You associate the Murdoch media with the same age group ... fine .... understand that .... but "getup" and the ABC could hardly be construed as even handed either, a situation I find amazing given their charter requires balanced reporting, particularly given they're funded from the public purse.
You suggest our reputation overseas has already been tarnished by a guy who's been in the chair for five minutes. Even if that was true (and by any measurement, I don't consider it's correct) I'd prefer a leader of ANY persuasion that makes decisions in what he believes are the best interests of the country rather than surrender our rights / revenues to the U.N. or slavishly follow what might be fashionable politics in Asia, Europe, the Americas or anywhere else for that matter.
Suggest you conduct a poll in the western and northern suburbs of Melbourne and ask those 50 and over their political affiliations. You might be surprised .....
You associate the Murdoch media with the same age group ... fine .... understand that .... but "getup" and the ABC could hardly be construed as even handed either, a situation I find amazing given their charter requires balanced reporting, particularly given they're funded from the public purse.
It terms of the silvered haired there is a world if difference between voters and supporters, have you ever attended a liberal party function or branch meeting? The people pouring money into the cause at grass roots level are mostly 60+, they are closer to Bronwyn Bishop than Carrie Bickmoore, Sophie Mirabella may be considered a spring chicken!
Getup can do whatever they like, they are a political entity, nobody sees them as any different. Are you implying because they oppose many Coalition policies, as well as some ALP and Greens policies, that they must be silenced? If so this concept of silence seems to becoming a trend, are only Tories allowed a voice?
FWIW, I gather you won't comprehend this because you have your capitalist suit of armor on. I am not anti-Coalition but Tony Abbott is clearly a hack, and it is quite ironic to me that a party famous for highlighting the leadership issues of it's opponents has picked a head kicker and not much else as leader! Was it from fear of a republic, it's not Rome 500BC is it?
The general perceptions of the ABC that are touted by the Coalition are abhorrent, a swinging voter like myself fails to see the bias you report and many Nationals Party members actively support the ABC. But I do see a very real attempt by the Liberals to sway the editorials by withholding funding, canceling contracts or dismissing staff. More silencing going on there it seems!
But regardless, even if you think they have as much impact as a Jones or a Bolt you are gravely mistaken. They are the national broadcaster, they should be supported by the Federal government of the day, it will not always be the case that News Corp is on the Coalitions bench! In fact we have already seen since the election a flip in published News Ltd rhetoric from the pre-election "Get rid of these ALP hacks" to the post-election "Abbott LNP Climate Change Calamity!" But that is expected, they maximise their profits by creating debate and division.
You suggest our reputation overseas has already been tarnished by a guy who's been in the chair for five minutes. Even if that was true (and by any measurement, I don't consider it's correct) I'd prefer a leader of ANY persuasion that makes decisions in what he believes are the best interests of the country rather than surrender our rights / revenues to the U.N. or slavishly follow what might be fashionable politics in Asia, Europe, the Americas or anywhere else for that matter.
There is no border you can build around Australia to isolate it from global issues, ignorance may be bliss for many but it isn't a cure for global problems! This isn't bayou country and somebody stealing clams or shagging their sister first isn't the big issue!
Like it or lump it we are all on the same planet!
If you consider yourself conservative then I have a question. Is there ever a case when it is good business acumen to piss of your next potential big customer? Indonesia is our next potential big trading partner, they have a healthy disrespect and dislike of Chinese business practices and prefer to deal with Australian over India, Korea or Vietnam. Yet Abbott is turning them against us at a rapid rate, why?
The general perceptions of the ABC that are touted by the Coalition are abhorrent, a swinging voter like myself fails to see the bias you report and many Nationals Party members actively support the ABC. But I do see a very real attempt by the Liberals to sway the editorials by withholding funding, canceling contracts or dismissing staff. More silencing going on there it seems!
But regardless, even if you think they have as much impact as a Jones or a Bolt you are gravely mistaken. They are the national broadcaster, they should be supported by the Federal government of the day, it will not always be the case that News Corp is on the Coalitions bench! In fact we have already seen since the election a flip in published News Ltd rhetoric from the pre-election "Get rid of these ALP hacks" to the post-election "Abbott LNP Climate Change Calamity!" But that is expected, they maximise their profits by creating debate and division.
Correctus absolutus.
Astounds and frustrates me that anyone could label the ABC left of centre. Next to a predominantly conservative or far right media in this country, the ABC may appear 'left'... but I see them as strongly objective and credible in terms of revealing 'deeper truths' (in an articulate way)... the natural enemy of the conservative mantra of 'deny everything and reveal as little as possible.' Although a sweeping generalisation, the old saying that 'conservatives love secrecy and fear, whereas, progressives seek truths and embrace change' holds some merit.
It was and remains embarrassing that when the Murdoch Empire used its influence to manipulate public perception (during the election in particular), and got away with it, that there wasn't a revolution in this country! Should have been. Any wonder his empire is known as News Limited... sure is limited, to entertainment and his personal agenda. It would seem we do have a President without having a republic... President Murdoch.
The fact that two of Abbotts 'mates' are Jones and Pell says so, so much. And none of it good. Jones is to broadcasting what leprosy is to human skin and Pell is to spirituality what Hitler was to humanitarianism. I'll leave comment on Abbotts fundamental Christian ideologies for another time... :-X
Suggest you conduct a poll in the western and northern suburbs of Melbourne and ask those 50 and over their political affiliations. You might be surprised .....
You associate the Murdoch media with the same age group ... fine .... understand that .... but "getup" and the ABC could hardly be construed as even handed either, a situation I find amazing given their charter requires balanced reporting, particularly given they're funded from the public purse.
It terms of the silvered haired there is a world if difference between voters and supporters, have you ever attended a liberal party function or branch meeting? The people pouring money into the cause at grass roots level are mostly 60+, they are closer to Bronwyn Bishop than Carrie Bickmoore, Sophie Mirabella may be considered a spring chicken!
Getup can do whatever they like, they are a political entity, nobody sees them as any different. Are you implying because they oppose many Coalition policies, as well as some ALP and Greens policies, that they must be silenced? If so this concept of silence seems to becoming a trend, are only Tories allowed a voice?
FWIW, I gather you won't comprehend this because you have your capitalist suit of armor on. I am not anti-Coalition but Tony Abbott is clearly a hack, and it is quite ironic to me that a party famous for highlighting the leadership issues of it's opponents has picked a head kicker and not much else as leader! Was it from fear of a republic, it's not Rome 500BC is it?
The general perceptions of the ABC that are touted by the Coalition are abhorrent, a swinging voter like myself fails to see the bias you report and many Nationals Party members actively support the ABC. But I do see a very real attempt by the Liberals to sway the editorials by withholding funding, canceling contracts or dismissing staff. More silencing going on there it seems!
But regardless, even if you think they have as much impact as a Jones or a Bolt you are gravely mistaken. They are the national broadcaster, they should be supported by the Federal government of the day, it will not always be the case that News Corp is on the Coalitions bench! In fact we have already seen since the election a flip in published News Ltd rhetoric from the pre-election "Get rid of these ALP hacks" to the post-election "Abbott LNP Climate Change Calamity!" But that is expected, they maximise their profits by creating debate and division.
You suggest our reputation overseas has already been tarnished by a guy who's been in the chair for five minutes. Even if that was true (and by any measurement, I don't consider it's correct) I'd prefer a leader of ANY persuasion that makes decisions in what he believes are the best interests of the country rather than surrender our rights / revenues to the U.N. or slavishly follow what might be fashionable politics in Asia, Europe, the Americas or anywhere else for that matter.
There is no border you can build around Australia to isolate it from global issues, ignorance may be bliss for many but it isn't a cure for global problems! This isn't bayou country and somebody stealing clams or shagging their sister first isn't the big issue!
Like it or lump it we are all on the same planet!
If you consider yourself conservative then I have a question. Is there ever a case when it is good business acumen to piss of your next potential big customer? Indonesia is our next potential big trading partner, they have a healthy disrespect and dislike of Chinese business practices and prefer to deal with Australian over India, Korea or Vietnam. Yet Abbott is turning them against us at a rapid rate, why?
Not interested in debating you or anyone else ... and I couldn't be bothered (and won't be) reading your reply to this message But for the record.
1. No, I don't attend political functions.
2. Getup can do what they wish ... so can Murdoch. You don't like what he prints? Then don't read it.
3. You know NOTHING about my political leanings and you know where you can stick your childish insults.
4. Tories live in England
5. I couldn't care less about Indonesia. They are a pack of opportunistic and corrupt arseholes feeding off our generosity.
The general perceptions of the ABC that are touted by the Coalition are abhorrent, a swinging voter like myself fails to see the bias you report and many Nationals Party members actively support the ABC. But I do see a very real attempt by the Liberals to sway the editorials by withholding funding, canceling contracts or dismissing staff. More silencing going on there it seems!
But regardless, even if you think they have as much impact as a Jones or a Bolt you are gravely mistaken. They are the national broadcaster, they should be supported by the Federal government of the day, it will not always be the case that News Corp is on the Coalitions bench! In fact we have already seen since the election a flip in published News Ltd rhetoric from the pre-election "Get rid of these ALP hacks" to the post-election "Abbott LNP Climate Change Calamity!" But that is expected, they maximise their profits by creating debate and division.
Correctus absolutus.
Astounds and frustrates me that anyone could label the ABC left of centre. Next to a predominantly conservative or far right media in this country, the ABC may appear 'left'... but I see them as strongly objective and credible in terms of revealing 'deeper truths' (in an articulate way)... the natural enemy of the conservative mantra of 'deny everything and reveal as little as possible.' Although a sweeping generalisation, the old saying that 'conservatives love secrecy and fear, whereas, progressives seek truths and embrace change' holds some merit.
It was and remains embarrassing that when the Murdoch Empire used its influence to manipulate public perception (during the election in particular), and got away with it, that there wasn't a revolution in this country! Should have been. Any wonder his empire is known as News Limited... sure is limited, to entertainment and his personal agenda. It would seem we do have a President without having a republic... President Murdoch.
The fact that two of Abbotts 'mates' are Jones and Pell says so, so much. And none of it good. Jones is to broadcasting what leprosy is to human skin and Pell is to spirituality what Hitler was to humanitarianism. I'll leave comment on Abbotts fundamental Christian ideologies for another time... :-X
.. and so glad to see you had no issue with Ropcrapz, Conroy and Gillad trying to pass legislation to silence the press.
Perhaps you should leave comments about Rudd''s fundamental Christian ideologies. No? Thought not.
... and with that, screw OFF !!!!!!!!!
Not interested in debating you or anyone else ... and I couldn't be bothered (and won't be) reading your reply to this message But for the record.
1. No, I don't attend political functions.
2. Getup can do what they wish ... so can Murdoch. You don't like what he prints? Then don't read it.
3. You know NOTHING about my political leanings and you know where you can stick your childish insults.
4. Tories live in England
5. I couldn't care less about Indonesia. They are a pack of opportunistic and corrupt arseholes feeding off our generosity.
More Silence then???
FFS, if you didn't read it where do you get those alleged insults from, and can you explain them??? Seems you have not written what you lived!
Yet you happily call Indonesians, many of them who I consider friends "A pack of opportunistic and corrupt arseholes", are you racist? Do you plan spending long here on this forum or any other forum? I suspect you think Abbott's changes to the racial discrimination laws have set you free!!
I can see how you align with Abbott, no debate without playing a lowbrow card!
PS: Sorry if you think the lowbrow reference is directed to you and not your rhetoric.
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5. I couldn't care less about Indonesia. They are a pack of opportunistic and corrupt arseholes feeding off our generosity.
In the words of John McEnroe... "You can't be serious..."
5. I couldn't care less about Indonesia. They are a pack of opportunistic and corrupt arseholes feeding off our generosity.
;D ;D ;D ;D
K Rudd has just retired!!! :))
K Rudd has just retired!!! :))
About bloody time.
I wish most of the others would get their snouts out of the trough and follow his lead.
At the risk of being hammered, The only PM (in my time) who has had a grasp on foreign policy was Paul Keating. Not ashamed to say I was and still am a huge fan of the man.
At the risk of being hammered, The only PM (in my time) who has had a grasp on foreign policy was Paul Keating. Not ashamed to say I was and still am a huge fan of the man.
You just lost a dozen friends in an instant.
At the risk of being hammered, The only PM (in my time) who has had a grasp on foreign policy was Paul Keating. Not ashamed to say I was and still am a huge fan of the man.
I'm on your side on this one DU. One of the few PMs who had a vision for the country that went beyond the next election.
At the risk of being hammered, The only PM (in my time) who has had a grasp on foreign policy was Paul Keating. Not ashamed to say I was and still am a huge fan of the man.
I'm on your side on this one DU. One of the few PMs who had a vision for the country that went beyond the next election.
And still does DJ
an absolute visionary , on more issues than just foreign policy. Had to the balls to stand by what he believes on major major issues. That's a leader..
At the risk of being hammered, The only PM (in my time) who has had a grasp on foreign policy was Paul Keating. Not ashamed to say I was and still am a huge fan of the man.
You just lost a dozen friends in an instant.
I thought that would be the case Mants :(
At the risk of being hammered, The only PM (in my time) who has had a grasp on foreign policy was Paul Keating. Not ashamed to say I was and still am a huge fan of the man.
I'm on your side on this one DU. One of the few PMs who had a vision for the country that went beyond the next election.
And still does DJ
an absolute visionary , on more issues than just foreign policy. Had to the balls to stand by what he believes on major major issues. That's a leader..
I agree Keating was inspirational as a statesmen and a complete prick as a person, Abbott lacks the inspiration!
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K Rudd has just retired!!! :))
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Thank f**k for that, untrustworthy little prick.
This thread reads like the old Fremantle Workers Club at 11pm on a Friday night, Wharfies loaded up on amber fluid pitting for the downfall of their arch enemy.
The majority of the voting populace has voted and they opted for a change.
At least the vote wasn't made by the cash grabbing obscure Independents of the house.
The events of today's parliament with Rudd's retirement speech followed by Abbott's speech of acknowledgement eerily remind me of this particular video.... ;D
[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/v/T17VzztS60M[/flash]
;D ;D ;D
A Human Vagina who won't be missed. Pity he didn't swallow his pride and allow Julia free reign. Both contributed more to the Australian condition than Howard and Ablett could imagine.
K Rudd has just retired!!! :))
The only PM this country has ever had who was at his very best on his first day (as PM)... seems he read his own publicity that day and loved it (himself) so much that he took his eye off the ball and seldom regained it... that's also the day that his decline began and never stopped. Ego can be a dirty word.
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K Rudd has just retired!!! :))
Thank f**k for that, untrustworthy little prick.
This thread reads like the old Fremantle Workers Club at 11pm on a Friday night, Wharfies loaded up on amber fluid pitting for the downfall of their arch enemy.
The majority of the voting populace has voted and they opted for a change.
At least the vote wasn't made by the cash grabbing obscure Independents of the house.
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That comment reads like someone loaded up on single malt whiskey at the Melbourne Club. ;)
At least the vote wasn't made by the cash grabbing obscure Independents of the house.
I am not sure the conservative side of politics can label anyone cash grabbers at the moment either, wedding anyone?
K Rudd has just retired!!! :))
Thank f**k for that, untrustworthy little prick.
This thread reads like the old Fremantle Workers Club at 11pm on a Friday night, Wharfies loaded up on amber fluid pitting for the downfall of their arch enemy.
The majority of the voting populace has voted and they opted for a change.
At least the vote wasn't made by the cash grabbing obscure Independents of the house.
That comment reads like someone loaded up on single malt whiskey at the Melbourne Club. ;)
That probably highlights the problems in any political debate.
To many generalisations and stereotypes.
There's a refusal by both sides to recognise strengths and weaknesses on the other side of the political fence.
It's a natural thing but it's strange how some of the most passionate of supporters of individual freedom and thought are so dismissive of the views of others.
It's why these things never end in agreement.....but they're funny to read. :D
The events of today's parliament with Rudd's retirement speech followed by Abbott's speech of acknowledgement eerily remind me of this particular video.... ;D
[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/v/T17VzztS60M[/flash]
;D ;D ;D
Ah, Rowan Atkinson with the late Mel Smith - classic stuff!
A Human Vagina who won't be missed. Pity he didn't swallow his pride and allow Julia free reign. Both contributed more to the Australian condition than Howard and Ablett could imagine.
Ablett has done more to the Australian condition than all of them combined. ;)
A Human Vagina who won't be missed. Pity he didn't swallow his pride and allow Julia free reign. Both contributed more to the Australian condition than Howard and Ablett could imagine.
Ablett has done more to the Australian condition than all of them combined. ;)
Ohhh, but which Ablett has been more influential in Australian politics than the other? Senior or Junior??? Ahh, the ageless question we all want answered :P
A Human Vagina who won't be missed. Pity he didn't swallow his pride and allow Julia free reign. Both contributed more to the Australian condition than Howard and Ablett could imagine.
Ablett has done more to the Australian condition than all of them combined. ;)
Ohhh, but which Ablett has been more influential in Australian politics than the other? Senior or Junior??? Ahh, the ageless question we all want answered :P
Which leads to another timeless question, were things better in the past than the present or has each new generation gone one better than the last. ;)
Which leads to another timeless question, were things better in the past than the present or has each new generation gone one better than the last. ;)
When you write "better", do you mean "stoop lower" or am I just cynical?
Which leads to another timeless question, were things better in the past than the present or has each new generation gone one better than the last. ;)
When you write "better", do you mean "stoop lower" or am I just cynical?
well picked up LP....depends how you look at it ;)
One can only hope that he takes the throne. The republic debate might just fire up again.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/as-time-goes-by--prince-charles-pensioned-waiting-for-throne-20131114-2xigh.html
K Rudd has just retired!!! :))
Thank f**k for that, untrustworthy little prick.
This thread reads like the old Fremantle Workers Club at 11pm on a Friday night, Wharfies loaded up on amber fluid pitting for the downfall of their arch enemy.
The majority of the voting populace has voted and they opted for a change.
At least the vote wasn't made by the cash grabbing obscure Independents of the house.
That comment reads like someone loaded up on single malt whiskey at the Melbourne Club. ;)
That probably highlights the problems in any political debate.
To many generalisations and stereotypes.
There's a refusal by both sides to recognise strengths and weaknesses on the other side of the political fence.
It's a natural thing but it's strange how some of the most passionate of supporters of individual freedom and thought are so dismissive of the views of others.
It's why these things never end in agreement.....but they're funny to read. :D
If we all start agreeing with each other, LODS, things will become very boring very quickly... but in the spirit of your post, I did applaud the Howard governments initiative in including psychologists under MediCare (for rebates etc). And it was the Labor govt that reduced this initiative... disgraceful.
It would be boring if everybody agreed on political views.
Here's one I believe in. They're all morons.
There we go. ;D
K Rudd has just retired!!! :))
Thank f**k for that, untrustworthy little prick.
This thread reads like the old Fremantle Workers Club at 11pm on a Friday night, Wharfies loaded up on amber fluid pitting for the downfall of their arch enemy.
The majority of the voting populace has voted and they opted for a change.
At least the vote wasn't made by the cash grabbing obscure Independents of the house.
That comment reads like someone loaded up on single malt whiskey at the Melbourne Club. ;)
That probably highlights the problems in any political debate.
To many generalisations and stereotypes.
There's a refusal by both sides to recognise strengths and weaknesses on the other side of the political fence.
It's a natural thing but it's strange how some of the most passionate of supporters of individual freedom and thought are so dismissive of the views of others.
It's why these things never end in agreement.....but they're funny to read. :D
If we all start agreeing with each other, LODS, things will become very boring very quickly... but in the spirit of your post, I did applaud the Howard governments initiative in including psychologists under MediCare (for rebates etc). And it was the Labor govt that reduced this initiative... disgraceful.
I think it's things like Politics and Religion....and of course Football :D where folks are usually pretty inflexible.
We have set points of view early on and it's difficult to accept an opposing viewpoint and give credit where it's due.
I'm not immune to that and have been particularly conflicted at times.
For most of my career I was involved in union activity, fighting for better working conditions.
I was a union representative and at one time a vice president of our particular branch...yet I've probably voted conservative at a federal level more than I've voted for the ALP over the years.
While that gives me a degree of impartiality it also has presented a conflict at times.
Tony Abbott doesn't inspire me to any great extent. I'd much prefer Turnbull, just as I'd prefer Albanese to Shorten (although he was pretty good in parliament today ;)).....but to dismiss Abbott as a dill, as some seem ready to do, is way off the mark.
Forget the rest........You don't get to be where he is unless you're a very good politician.
Better than any of us who criticise him!
Whatever you might think about Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd and Gillard (and all those before them) they were all "politically" very good.
They developed contacts and support networks that enabled them to assume power...
And being a good 'politician' is the name of the game, because unless you have the power, you don't have the ability to really change things.
K Rudd has just retired!!! :))
Thank f**k for that, untrustworthy little prick.
This thread reads like the old Fremantle Workers Club at 11pm on a Friday night, Wharfies loaded up on amber fluid pitting for the downfall of their arch enemy.
The majority of the voting populace has voted and they opted for a change.
At least the vote wasn't made by the cash grabbing obscure Independents of the house.
That comment reads like someone loaded up on single malt whiskey at the Melbourne Club. ;)
That probably highlights the problems in any political debate.
To many generalisations and stereotypes.
There's a refusal by both sides to recognise strengths and weaknesses on the other side of the political fence.
It's a natural thing but it's strange how some of the most passionate of supporters of individual freedom and thought are so dismissive of the views of others.
It's why these things never end in agreement.....but they're funny to read. :D
If we all start agreeing with each other, LODS, things will become very boring very quickly... but in the spirit of your post, I did applaud the Howard governments initiative in including psychologists under MediCare (for rebates etc). And it was the Labor govt that reduced this initiative... disgraceful.
I think it's things like Politics and Religion....and of course Football :D where folks are usually pretty inflexible.
We have set points of view early on and it's difficult to accept an opposing viewpoint and give credit where it's due.
I'm not immune to that and have been particularly conflicted at times.
For most of my career I was involved in union activity, fighting for better working conditions.
I was a union representative and at one time a vice president of our particular branch...yet I've probably voted conservative at a federal level more than I've voted for the ALP over the years.
While that gives me a degree of impartiality it also has presented a conflict at times.
Tony Abbott doesn't inspire me to any great extent. I'd much prefer Turnbull, just as I'd prefer Albanese to Shorten (although he was pretty good in parliament today ;)).....but to dismiss Abbott as a dill, as some seem ready to do, is way off the mark.
Forget the rest........You don't get to be where he is unless you're a very good politician.
Better than any of us who criticise him!
Whatever you might think about Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd and Gillard (and all those before them) they were all "politically" very good.
They developed contacts and support networks that enabled them to assume power...
And being a good 'politician' is the name of the game, because unless you have the power, you don't have the ability to really change things.
LODS! WTF... how dare you be so balanced, reasonable, fair and intelligent!
In all seriousness it would seem that when it comes to voting we are similar, though I would label myself a moderate/swinging voter. In my time on planet Earth I think I've voted for everyone except the Sex Party - next time!
You argue, very reasonably, that you cannot be a dill to get to the top job - agree. You do need to be a good politician, as you write... but what does being a 'good politician' really mean? To me, a 'good politician' is likely a ruthless, power thirsty, shrewd, highly intelligent, cunning and highly manipulative yet charming embarrassment who can deliver exactly what his backers and funders want (the wealthy elite). We should never mistake politicians as being the ones who really control this nation; any nation.
ruthless, power thirsty, shrewd, highly intelligent, cunning and highly manipulative yet charming embarrassment who can deliver exactly what his backers and funders want (the wealthy elite).
aren't these characteristics synonymous of sociopaths ?
ruthless, power thirsty, shrewd, highly intelligent, cunning and highly manipulative yet charming embarrassment who can deliver exactly what his backers and funders want (the wealthy elite).
aren't these characteristics synonymous of sociopaths ?
Yep, and narcissists.
Important to understand that sociopaths and narcissists read so well (brilliantly) what people want ...and then know even better how to manipulate 'their wants' to support and validate 'credible' solutions.
Too much research has revealed that sociapathic and narcissistic management is very dominant, and effective... these people know how to manipulate perception...
How many humanitarian leaders have been assassinated? Many. Why?
How many sociopathic leaders have been assassinated? Very few. Why?
I'm really not interested in any specific political party but I've just watched the first episode of Keating on Iview. Can't wait for the remaining programs now - interviews conducted by Kerry O'Brien on ABC over the next 3 Tuesdays at 8:30pm.
Doesn't matter whether you like Keating or hate him, this is a fascinating insight into the mind and thinking of the powerful and of those who seek power - highly recommended viewing.
The anecdote I really liked was when Keating in his early days, incidentally whilst standing at the urinal in the gents toilets of old Parliament House, was approached by and then reproached by Jim Cairns for not wearing his Vietnam war moratorium sticker. Keating response was to say "That's the difference between you and me Jim, you're here to protest, I'm here to run the place".
It would be boring if everybody agreed on political views.
Here's one I believe in. They're all morons.
There we go. ;D
A man after my own heart.
Im happy to have a beer and talk politics with you anyday Gozza!
;D
I'm really not interested in any specific political party but I've just watched the first episode of Keating on Iview. Can't wait for the remaining programs now - interviews conducted by Kerry O'Brien on ABC over the next 3 Tuesdays at 8:30pm.
Doesn't matter whether you like Keating or hate him, this is a fascinating insight into the mind and thinking of the powerful and of those who seek power - highly recommended viewing.
The anecdote I really liked was when Keating in his early days, incidentally whilst standing at the urinal in the gents toilets of old Parliament House, was approached by and then reproached by Jim Cairns for not wearing his Vietnam war moratorium sticker. Keating response was to say "That's the difference between you and me Jim, you're here to protest, I'm here to run the place".
Thought it was fantastic.
Who likes Clarke and Dawe... here's a good take on Tone!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-14/clarke-and-dawe--an-honest-assessment-project-by/5091772
I wonder how much commonwealth employee comcare and superannuation benefits are costing the federal government?
(and the previous one....)
People are living too long. This country cannot afford it. Seems that for my generation it's get to buggery and get on the best way you can, while the elderly are sapping our system dry of all its resources. Never met a more undeserving bunch tbh.
People are living too long. This country cannot afford it. Seems that for my generation it's get to buggery and get on the best way you can, while the elderly are sapping our system dry of all its resources. Never met a more undeserving bunch tbh.
However, a lot of the current generation of geriatrics didn't have superannuation or own their own property... so when they retired they were straight on to the pension.
People are living too long. This country cannot afford it. Seems that for my generation it's get to buggery and get on the best way you can, while the elderly are sapping our system dry of all its resources. Never met a more undeserving bunch tbh.
However, a lot of the current generation of geriatrics didn't have superannuation or own their own property... so when they retired they were straight on to the pension.
.....Which was funded by the taxes that were sapped from them having left school, often around 14/15 years old, because they couldn't afford to continue their education.
So for the next 50 years they contributed the taxes that provided the money for 'our' schools and 'our' health...and their retirement.
The elderly have more than paid their way. ;)
People are living too long. This country cannot afford it. Seems that for my generation it's get to buggery and get on the best way you can, while the elderly are sapping our system dry of all its resources. Never met a more undeserving bunch tbh.
However, a lot of the current generation of geriatrics didn't have superannuation or own their own property... so when they retired they were straight on to the pension.
.....Which was funded by the taxes that were sapped from them having left school, often around 14/15 years old, because they couldn't afford to continue their education.
So for the next 50 years they contributed the taxes that provided the money for 'our' schools and 'our' health...and their retirement.
The elderly have more than paid their way. ;)
I wasn't having a crack at old people.
I was saying that many didn't have or opted not to have superannuation.
Now it is compulsory.
People are living too long. This country cannot afford it. Seems that for my generation it's get to buggery and get on the best way you can, while the elderly are sapping our system dry of all its resources. Never met a more undeserving bunch tbh.
However, a lot of the current generation of geriatrics didn't have superannuation or own their own property... so when they retired they were straight on to the pension.
.....Which was funded by the taxes that were sapped from them having left school, often around 14/15 years old, because they couldn't afford to continue their education.
So for the next 50 years they contributed the taxes that provided the money for 'our' schools and 'our' health...and their retirement.
The elderly have more than paid their way. ;)
I wasn't having a crack at old people.
I was saying that many didn't have or opted not to have superannuation.
Now it is compulsory.
Don't try and get out of it now you young whippersnapper!
(http://memecrunch.com/meme/EHFF/statler-and-waldorf/image.png)
;D
while the elderly are sapping our system dry of all its resources. Never met a more undeserving bunch tbh.
Says the bloke on welfare :))
Gold.
I'm really not interested in any specific political party but I've just watched the first episode of Keating on Iview. Can't wait for the remaining programs now - interviews conducted by Kerry O'Brien on ABC over the next 3 Tuesdays at 8:30pm.
Doesn't matter whether you like Keating or hate him, this is a fascinating insight into the mind and thinking of the powerful and of those who seek power - highly recommended viewing.
The anecdote I really liked was when Keating in his early days, incidentally whilst standing at the urinal in the gents toilets of old Parliament House, was approached by and then reproached by Jim Cairns for not wearing his Vietnam war moratorium sticker. Keating response was to say "That's the difference between you and me Jim, you're here to protest, I'm here to run the place".
Cookie, thanks for posting the info above . I just downloaded Iview after reading your post, have scrolled through trying to find the keating interview but can't find it. What's the name of the program ?. I've looked through the 4 corners stuff and can't find. Any assistance on how to find the relevant program (name) would be greatly appreciated.
I'm really not interested in any specific political party but I've just watched the first episode of Keating on Iview. Can't wait for the remaining programs now - interviews conducted by Kerry O'Brien on ABC over the next 3 Tuesdays at 8:30pm.
Doesn't matter whether you like Keating or hate him, this is a fascinating insight into the mind and thinking of the powerful and of those who seek power - highly recommended viewing.
The anecdote I really liked was when Keating in his early days, incidentally whilst standing at the urinal in the gents toilets of old Parliament House, was approached by and then reproached by Jim Cairns for not wearing his Vietnam war moratorium sticker. Keating response was to say "That's the difference between you and me Jim, you're here to protest, I'm here to run the place".
Cookie, thanks for posting the info above . I just downloaded Iview after reading your post, have scrolled through trying to find the keating interview but can't find it. What's the name of the program ?. I've looked through the 4 corners stuff and can't find. Any assistance on how to find the relevant program (name) would be greatly appreciated.
disregard above post Cookie........ Found it :)
The show must go on..!!!
I'm really not interested in any specific political party but I've just watched the first episode of Keating on Iview. Can't wait for the remaining programs now - interviews conducted by Kerry O'Brien on ABC over the next 3 Tuesdays at 8:30pm.
Doesn't matter whether you like Keating or hate him, this is a fascinating insight into the mind and thinking of the powerful and of those who seek power - highly recommended viewing.
The anecdote I really liked was when Keating in his early days, incidentally whilst standing at the urinal in the gents toilets of old Parliament House, was approached by and then reproached by Jim Cairns for not wearing his Vietnam war moratorium sticker. Keating response was to say "That's the difference between you and me Jim, you're here to protest, I'm here to run the place".
Cookie, thanks for posting the info above . I just downloaded Iview after reading your post, have scrolled through trying to find the keating interview but can't find it. What's the name of the program ?. I've looked through the 4 corners stuff and can't find. Any assistance on how to find the relevant program (name) would be greatly appreciated.
disregard above post Cookie........ Found it :)
The show must go on..!!!
Enjoy!
When the leader and Chief of the Executive branch of government, protector of the Commonwealth of Australia states while in office that she is an advocate of a republic, then she is already acting in the capacity of President rather than a representative of the Monarch of England..it's time we ended this charade and formalized our independence.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/governorgeneral-quentin-bryce-comes-out-in-support-of-a-republic-gay-marriage-20131122-2y1kx.html
When the leader and Chief of the Executive branch of government, protector of the Commonwealth of Australia states while in office that she is an advocate of a republic, then she is already acting in the capacity of President rather than a representative of the Monarch of England..it's time we ended this charade and formalized our independence.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/governorgeneral-quentin-bryce-comes-out-in-support-of-a-republic-gay-marriage-20131122-2y1kx.html
Hear, hear!
There is speculation the GG has lit the fuse to enable her to be replaced by the government. She is embarrassed by the current events and does not want a legacy or future associated with the pending train wreck which is Abbott's legacy!
When the leader and Chief of the Executive branch of government, protector of the Commonwealth of Australia states while in office that she is an advocate of a republic, then she is already acting in the capacity of President rather than a representative of the Monarch of England..it's time we ended this charade and formalized our independence.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/governorgeneral-quentin-bryce-comes-out-in-support-of-a-republic-gay-marriage-20131122-2y1kx.html
Hear, hear!
There is speculation the GG has lit the fuse to enable her to be replaced by the government. She is embarrassed by the current events and does not want a legacy or future associated with the pending train wreck which is Abbott's legacy!
If that's the case she could just offer to resign....again.
They'd probably accept it this time
She's done a good job
She's due to go in March anyway.
When the leader and Chief of the Executive branch of government, protector of the Commonwealth of Australia states while in office that she is an advocate of a republic, then she is already acting in the capacity of President rather than a representative of the Monarch of England..it's time we ended this charade and formalized our independence.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/governorgeneral-quentin-bryce-comes-out-in-support-of-a-republic-gay-marriage-20131122-2y1kx.html
Hear, hear!
There is speculation the GG has lit the fuse to enable her to be replaced by the government. She is embarrassed by the current events and does not want a legacy or future associated with the pending train wreck which is Abbott's legacy!
If that's the case she could just offer to resign....again.
They'd probably accept it this time
She's done a good job
She's due to go in March anyway.
Resigning won't help the situation, the GG might have motivations. This is a test for Abbott, if he leaves the GG in place she gets a free hit at his policies for the next four months. If Abbott tries to sack the GG he is opening a can of worms.
This is about Abbott, his personal beliefs, methods and policies more than that of the Coalition, perhaps Turnbull has found a way! Fancy Abbott's bully boy tactics being undone by an elderly woman!
When the leader and Chief of the Executive branch of government, protector of the Commonwealth of Australia states while in office that she is an advocate of a republic, then she is already acting in the capacity of President rather than a representative of the Monarch of England..it's time we ended this charade and formalized our independence.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/governorgeneral-quentin-bryce-comes-out-in-support-of-a-republic-gay-marriage-20131122-2y1kx.html
Hear, hear!
There is speculation the GG has lit the fuse to enable her to be replaced by the government. She is embarrassed by the current events and does not want a legacy or future associated with the pending train wreck which is Abbott's legacy!
If that's the case she could just offer to resign....again.
They'd probably accept it this time
She's done a good job
She's due to go in March anyway.
Resigning won't help the situation, the GG might have motivations. This is a test for Abbott, if he leaves the GG in place she gets a free hit at his policies for the next four months. If Abbott tries to sack the GG he is opening a can of worms.
This is about Abbott more than the Coalition, perhaps Turnbull has found a way!
So what do you do if you are Abbott?
He can't dismiss her....so she stays in place.
She can continue to comment....but they'll come after her....you know who I'm talking about!
You see the problem for her is that if she's not just the Governor General she's also the Opposition leaders Mother-in law and any criticism of Government policy will 'unfortunately' be seen and judged on that basis by many.
So what do you do if you are Abbott?
He can't dismiss her....so she stays in place.
She can continue to comment....but they'll come after her....you know who I'm talking about!
The rumors are that after Abbott declined her resignation the NSW Right tried to influence her and that has triggered a response. Abbott's traditional attack dogs have a problem, Jones, Bolt, Price, etc., etc., because their traditional gray army of fans are bigger supporters of the GG than Abbott.
It could get interesting!
When the leader and Chief of the Executive branch of government, protector of the Commonwealth of Australia states while in office that she is an advocate of a republic, then she is already acting in the capacity of President rather than a representative of the Monarch of England..it's time we ended this charade and formalized our independence.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/governorgeneral-quentin-bryce-comes-out-in-support-of-a-republic-gay-marriage-20131122-2y1kx.html
Hear, hear!
There is speculation the GG has lit the fuse to enable her to be replaced by the government. She is embarrassed by the current events and does not want a legacy or future associated with the pending train wreck which is Abbott's legacy!
If that's the case she could just offer to resign....again.
They'd probably accept it this time
She's done a good job
She's due to go in March anyway.
Resigning won't help the situation, the GG might have motivations. This is a test for Abbott, if he leaves the GG in place she gets a free hit at his policies for the next four months. If Abbott tries to sack the GG he is opening a can of worms.
This is about Abbott, his personal beliefs, methods and policies more than that of the Coalition, perhaps Turnbull has found a way! Fancy Abbott's bully boy tactics being undone by an elderly woman!
The GG will see the term out and the Government will appoint another when the time is right.
GG's can have their own opinion.
The GG will see the term out and the Government will appoint another when the time is right.
GG's can have their own opinion.
That is what I would expect Abbott to state initially, but if the rumors are true you can expect the volume to be turned up in the coming weeks.
The GG will see the term out and the Government will appoint another when the time is right.
GG's can have their own opinion.
That is what I would expect Abbott to state initially, but if the rumors are true you can expect the volume to be turned up in the coming weeks.
Pretty sure she is due to replaced anyway.
4-5 years is the usual gig.
Wouldnt be surprised if it is someone like Angus Houston who is next.
So what do you do if you are Abbott?
He can't dismiss her....so she stays in place.
She can continue to comment....but they'll come after her....you know who I'm talking about!
The rumors are that after Abbott declined her resignation the NSW Right tried to influence her and that has triggered a response. Abbott's traditional attack dogs have a problem, Jones, Bolt, Price, etc., etc., because their traditional gray army of fans are bigger supporters of the GG than Abbott.
It could get interesting!
It will be...
She's been a good GG. I think she's her own woman and her opinions would be very much her own beliefs and not clouded by any connections....but you can absolutely bet they won't be portrayed that way.
Abbott will say the right thing but....
The 'machine' will be in overdrive on Monday. ;)
If the GG comments on political matters, it's not tony Abbott who is damaged by it but the GG.
If the GG comments on political matters, it's not tony Abbott who is damaged by it but the GG.
It could be considered unbecoming... but if they aren't clearly criticizing the Government then they can pretty much do what they want.
The fact that she holds a Vice-Regal commission and is saying we should become a republic could suggest she probably shouldn't have accepted the commission in the first place.
If the GG comments on political matters, it's not tony Abbott who is damaged by it but the GG.
So no freedom of speech here then!
If the GG comments on political matters, it's not tony Abbott who is damaged by it but the GG.
So no freedom of speech here then!
Technically no. There isn't "freedom of speech" in Australia.
If the GG comments on political matters, it's not tony Abbott who is damaged by it but the GG.
So no freedom of speech here then!
How is this a freedom of speech issue?
If the GG comments on political matters, it's not tony Abbott who is damaged by it but the GG.
So no freedom of speech here then!
How is this a freedom of speech issue?
I think LP is hoping that Abbott will sack the GG and face a backlash.
It won't happen.
The GG will likely see out the year (perhaps a little bit of next) and be replaced by someone of the Government's choosing.
My guess is that this has been arranged and this is why the GG is being more outspoken.
Sacking GG would only create division both in the electorate (because doing so would likely put republic issue squarely on the table) and in the liberal party itself as a platform for future leadership change (Turnball's position on republic issue is well known). Selfishly I hope they do sack her, even though she's done a fine job in office. They won't sack her, the basis for doing so would be highly doubtful and politically suicidal. She can't loose, she goes out (in retirement) with respect of majority Australians for her comments, and sets herself up beautifully for position of first president should the republic issue gain momentum. One can only hope.
Why would they sack her when they could have just accepted her resignation?
Why would they sack her when they could have just accepted her resignation?
Wasn't suggesting they would. Was commenting on existing line of discussion relating to possibility of sacking her.
I thought her comments were relevant, progressive and courageous - pretty good characteristics in a leader.
I thought her comments were relevant, progressive and courageous - pretty good characteristics in a leader.
So says the electorate it seems, they like he son-in-law over Abbott!
The backlash we are seeing already in the polls is a clear indicator the electorate voted out the government, they did not vote anyone in!
Surely the Coalition must now concede they have Abbott of a problem?
I thought her comments were relevant, progressive and courageous - pretty good characteristics in a leader.
So says the electorate it seems, they like he son-in-law over Abbott!
The backlash we are seeing already in the polls is a clear indicator the electorate voted out the government, they did not vote anyone in!
Surely the Coalition must now concede they have Abbott of a problem?
Lp
There is no backlash.
The only bad press has been generated by an anti abbott part of the media over something the last government did.
The ALP had its lowest vote since ww1, wasnt it?
Don't have a problem with Quentin Bryce holding the views she holds but to me it's somewhat hypocritical of someone with those republican views to hold an office so strongly associated with the monarchy. Makes me uneasy about her motives for taking on the role.
Also, having taken on such an apolitical role on she should not have expressed politically charged viewpoints until she'd left office - a bit of an abuse of privilege IMO.
Thought she was doing a very good job up until then.
Australian monarchists have more of a problem with this than the Queen who clearly couldn't GAF.
Don't have a problem with Quentin Bryce holding the views she holds but to me it's somewhat hypocritical of someone with those republican views to hold an office so strongly associated with the monarchy. Makes me uneasy about her motives for taking on the role.
Also, having taken on such an apolitical role on she should not have expressed politically charged viewpoints until she'd left office - a bit of an abuse of privilege IMO.
Thought she was doing a very good job up until then.
It seemed at first that Rudd was content to send her around the world garnering support for UN Security Council seat..... not a bad gig.
Australian monarchists have more of a problem with this than the Queen who clearly couldn't GAF.
Don't know whether the Queen couldn't GAF but she would NEVER publicly comment on Australian domestic affairs.
I am no definitely no monarchist but I have a problem with it - it just smacks of rank hypocrisy - that's my problem with it.
Lp
There is no backlash.
Straight out of the "Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil" play book.
You cannot use the polls to your advantage one week and proclaim indifference the next. The same polls that predicted the Coalition victory a couple of months back are now allegedly reporting they would lose an election tomorrow. That would be the shortest honeymoon period on history, and it comes at the time when they are happily pointing the finger a previous governments for the current problems.
Pyne has even managed to burn his state allies!
Abbott is the problem not the Coalition, his "Cone of silence" is burning political capital faster than a Guy Fawkes bonfire! Even Agent 86 looks more capable!
What did the New Zealand PM say to the UN bureaucrat, "Over the ditch they have Abbott of a problem!"
Australian monarchists have more of a problem with this than the Queen who clearly couldn't GAF.
Don't know whether the Queen couldn't GAF but she would NEVER publicly comment on Australian domestic affairs.
I am no definitely no monarchist but I have a problem with it - it just smacks of rank hypocrisy - that's my problem with it.
Actually the Queen did comment a few years ago, prior to the last vote. HRH clearly stated it was time for the mature country to decide for itself, and it was only the deliberate bogus phrasing of the question put to the public that biased the outcome. HRH didn't go so far as to offer a prescription, but the intent was clear, I dare say HRH would not have phrased the question the way Howard's Monarchists did either!
Since then a number of other royals have publicly stated it is inevitable, some even hint that it is well overdue!
Australian monarchists have more of a problem with this than the Queen who clearly couldn't GAF.
Don't know whether the Queen couldn't GAF but she would NEVER publicly comment on Australian domestic affairs.
I am no definitely no monarchist but I have a problem with it - it just smacks of rank hypocrisy - that's my problem with it.
Actually the Queen did comment a few years ago, prior to the last vote. HRH clearly stated it was time for the mature country to decide for itself, and it was only the deliberate bogus phrasing of the question put to the public that biased the outcome. HRH didn't go so far as to offer a prescription, but the intent was clear, I dare say HRH would not have phrased the question the way Howard's Monarchists did either!
Since then a number of other royals have publicly stated it is inevitable, some even hint that it is well overdue!
Exactamondo. I also recall HRH saying that. And I will never forget the highly manipulative wording Little Jonothan used is asking us about being a Republic.
Australian monarchists have more of a problem with this than the Queen who clearly couldn't GAF.
Don't know whether the Queen couldn't GAF but she would NEVER publicly comment on Australian domestic affairs.
I am no definitely no monarchist but I have a problem with it - it just smacks of rank hypocrisy - that's my problem with it.
Actually the Queen did comment a few years ago, prior to the last vote. HRH clearly stated it was time for the mature country to decide for itself, and it was only the deliberate bogus phrasing of the question put to the public that biased the outcome. HRH didn't go so far as to offer a prescription, but the intent was clear, I dare say HRH would not have phrased the question the way Howard's Monarchists did either!
Since then a number of other royals have publicly stated it is inevitable, some even hint that it is well overdue!
Exactamondo. I also recall HRH saying that. And I will never forget the highly manipulative wording Little Jonothan used is asking us about being a Republic.
think it says that either little J was cunningly clever, a majority of referendum voters were naive, or a bit of both.
think it says that either little J was cunningly clever, a majority of referendum voters were naive, or a bit of both.
Not really, it was a bit like the last election, two options nobody really wanted.
The only difference in the referendum was that the question favored "a no change" vote as opposed to "change for the sake of it" vote!
Would we find that the opinions of the shock jocks and their followers gave us a very good indication of how things were going to run out. LCD.
think it says that either little J was cunningly clever, a majority of referendum voters were naive, or a bit of both.
Not really, it was a bit like the last election, two options nobody really wanted.
The only difference in the referendum was that the question favored "a no change" vote as opposed to "change for the sake of it" vote!
Would we find that the opinions of the shock jocks and their followers gave us a very good indication of how things were going to run out. LCD.
I agree LP. think we're both saying same thing. I was implying Little J was cunning and clever enough to base referendum question on rep model rather than question of choice between republic or monarchy.
How anyone can say with a straight face that the effectively saying "that is a matter for the Australian people" is the same as taking a stance on the republic issue is beyond me. It's hard to take anything after that seriously but lets try:
This argument that the any reasonable Australian adult would have voted for a change to the constitution, without knowing the changes upfront is lala land stuff. The best model and probably the only workable one was presented, one that I voted yes to, and was shot down fairly soundly.
We're still 10 years away.
How anyone can say with a straight face that the effectively saying "that is a matter for the Australian people" is the same as taking a stance on the republic issue is beyond me. It's hard to take anything after that seriously but lets try:
This argument that the any reasonable Australian adult would have voted for a change to the constitution, without knowing the changes upfront is lala land stuff. The best model and probably the only workable one was presented, one that I voted yes to, and was shot down fairly soundly.
We're still 10 years away.
Unfortunately I agree with your estimated min 10 y time frame.
That Australians voted against the model, indicates that the average Australian doesn't understood its system of governance as well as it could, and despite its efforts It's arguable as to whether the republic team communicated the benefits of its model well enough. What's clear is that motivation to avoid loss will often overcome that of gain. While those that understand the Westminster system understand the importance that Head of state selection by Gov has on keeping machinery of gov churning along, it's a difficult concept to communicate on mass, especially when the leader of the country is a cunning politician on the opposing camp. Republicans were just out campaigned IMO.
How anyone can say with a straight face that the effectively saying "that is a matter for the Australian people" is the same as taking a stance on the republic issue is beyond me. It's hard to take anything after that seriously but lets try:
This argument that the any reasonable Australian adult would have voted for a change to the constitution, without knowing the changes upfront is lala land stuff. The best model and probably the only workable one was presented, one that I voted yes to, and was shot down fairly soundly.
We're still 10 years away.
Optimist! ;)
country only 250 years old - sub 30 mil
10 pound poms are still around - wait another generation
til we work out who we are.
we like to change things cause we can in this country - bet the GG would have never made those comments
6 months before her appointment
Here it comes, democracy at work!
Tony Abbott and his chief of staff Peta Credlin are enforcing a culture of “obsessive centralised control phobia” and are out of touch with voters, according to Liberal National Party senator Ian Macdonald, who has delivered a scathing attack on the Prime Minister’s office.
Despite the hurdles, punji sticks and bear traps. totalitarians always bring about their own demise!
If Abbott burns his political capital any faster we will be able to solve global warming by closing down some coal fired plants!
There must be betting books already out on how much longer this galah can last. He's beginning to make Rudd and Gillard look almost competent!
His minders are controlling him tighter than an over protective mother using excessive child restraints. Mind you, if I were them I would do exactly the same - especially keep him away from microphones. This bloke cannot think on his feet at all... think WITH his feet, maybe. All the best politicians are good to brilliant at thinking on their feet... probably helped by being extremely confident in respect to what they're doing, and they need to be as many of the political reporters in this nation (except News Limited puppets) are far from being mugs. When you alienate one of the most respected political journos in the nation, Laurie Oaks, you know you're on the nose.
Today's criticism of Abbott from National Senator Ian Macdonald is hardly surprising or a revelation. But it is further evidence of a paranoid little hypocrite of the first order; a pathetic little knob who will say anything to get what he wants or to placate the electorate (bit like Rudd, really!).
Well I suspect Cambridge Uni must be looking for a fix, he is devaluing Rhodes Scholarships at the speed of light!
...and such an irony it is that Abbott -- a proud fundamentalist Christian -- was helped in no small manner, into the PMship with the help of one of the front runners for the 'antichrist' label... Rupert and his devilish empire. :)
yep, he's on the nose atm
done nothing for consumer confidence, in fact it may have gone backwards.
MIght be only one term tony unless he starts being innovative - and quick
Maybe Malcolm is warming uo in the back room?
yep, he's on the nose atm
done nothing for consumer confidence, in fact it may have gone backwards.
MIght be only one term tony unless he starts being innovative - and quick
Not in the conservative mantra TTB Old Son. Preserve the status quo is the god of the conservative. Change scares the bejesus (sorry Anthony) out of them. These are not your 'visionary' types... they're more your 'fearful' types, worshippers of what worked in the past and some times that is relevant... but not now.
In fact, wanting Anthony to be innovative is like expecting a chocolate teapot to actually work or an ashtray on a motorbike to be functional.
Sadly, globally, Abbott reflects not so well on all of us... our nation. (Rudd and Julia stank at home but impressed OS due to a variety of superficial factors).
Here's the surprise. Ablett is a crap PM, just as he was crap in opposition. And Australians are dickheads when it comes to elections.
Here's the surprise. Ablett is a crap PM, just as he was crap in opposition. And Australians are dickheads when it comes to elections.
He was a gun footballer though! Or if its Ablett Junior your talking about, still is.
We really don't want Anthony to leave or be dumped too soon... there are many comedians preparing for the Melbourne International Comedy Festival for early next year and they're relying on Abbott and now Pyne to provide valuable material. :)
I watched he last episodes of "Keating" on ABC iView last night.
Keating made the statement that he had to execute Hawk because Hawk could not let go. Turnbull needs to do the same to Abbott, but I fear Turnbull does not have the balls that Keating had!
Abbott is chaos surrounded by calamity, he has picked a set of 2ICs that are no threat to him, the bulk are less capable than himself and unleashed them on the country and the world! What he has done would not even get across the line in place like Appalachia!
I watched he last episodes of "Keating" on ABC iView last night.
Keating made the statement that he had to execute Hawk because Hawk could not let go. Turnbull needs to do the same to Abbott, but I fear Turnbull does not have the balls that Keating had!
Abbott is chaos surrounded by calamity, he has picked a set of 2ICs that are no threat to him, the bulk are less capable than himself and unleashed them on the country and the world! What he has done would not even get across the line in place like Appalachia!
Where do we get some of these so called 'leaders'. Pyne's comments and strategies on his education portfolio are beyond embarrassing. Where did we get this clown from? Did the brief read, 'Incompetent D1ckhead needed to take charge of education in Australia... apply A. Abbott... in crayon and 1 syllable words'.
Pyne, or Parn as he calls himself, is rapidly emerging as the greatest buffoon to grace Australian politics in many a long year! :))
If Alexander Downer weren't still alive, you'd swear Pyne was Downer reincarnated.
They both hail from the posh side of Adelaide and have accents that would fit in nicely at Harrow or Eton. They both have inappropriate senses of humour. Downer was lambasted for putting on a fishnet stocking and high heel for a photo opp promoting a Variety Club Rocky Horrow Show event while Opposition Leader. But more worrying was his release of the Domestic Violence policy during an election campaign. He'd been trying to present a unifying theme for his policies as "The Things That Matter". He couldn't resist a play on words when he released the DV policy, saying that the clothing industry might refer to the slogan as "The Thongs That Matter" and that violent husbands might call it "The Things That Batter". Oh dear ...
Despite his lack of appeal to the ordinary Aussie and his inappropriate humour, Downer at least seemed to have some intelligence. Whether Pyne does is open to question. At the very least, Pyne needs to realise that what passes muster in the argy-bargy of Parliament doesn't wash with the electorate. When he's not on the floor of the House, he has to at least look as though he's telling the truth and dealing with issues that interest the electors rather than acting as if he's being smart when he tries to cut off criticism by using bald-faced denials that he's doing what he's doing.
If Alexander Downer weren't still alive, you'd swear Pyne was Downer reincarnated.
They both hail from the posh side of Adelaide and have accents that would fit in nicely at Harrow or Eton. They both have inappropriate senses of humour.
Contaminated sausages?
Fallout from British nuclear testing?
Mum and Dad with a touch too much Barossa time?
yep, he's on the nose atm
done nothing for consumer confidence, in fact it may have gone backwards.
MIght be only one term tony unless he starts being innovative - and quick
Not in the conservative mantra TTB Old Son. Preserve the status quo is the god of the conservative. Change scares the bejesus (sorry Anthony) out of them. These are not your 'visionary' types... they're more your 'fearful' types, worshippers of what worked in the past and some times that is relevant... but not now.
In fact, wanting Anthony to be innovative is like expecting a chocolate teapot to actually work or an ashtray on a motorbike to be functional.
Sadly, globally, Abbott reflects not so well on all of us... our nation. (Rudd and Julia stank at home but impressed OS due to a variety of superficial factors).
the conundrum is that there simply is no money in the til
tightening the belt is long arduous and unpopular .
Unfortunately, there was a lot of waste in the last 6 years
regardless of ideology of policy and whether one deemed it to be successful or not
Can't wait for the next Clark and Dawe...
the conundrum is that there simply is no money in the til
tightening the belt is long arduous and unpopular .
Unfortunately, there was a lot of waste in the last 6 years
regardless of ideology of policy and whether one deemed it to be successful or not
The problem with using a term like "waste" in an argument like this is that it is subjective. What is "waste"?
Is a university spot a waste?
What about a hospital bed, is that a waste?
Perhaps cuts to such are considered to be a "saving', I suppose until you need one it is?
How about some diplomacy is offering some a waste? Given the diplomatic state of things today is unraveling over three decades of diplomatic effort in just a week or two also a waste?
Is waste selling gun boats to a semi-gorilla controlled democracy a waste of human life or is it just irresponsible?
Is cutting emission controls a waste? Perhaps we are going to turn the carbons around and send them home if they try to cross our border without permission!
Is canceling an ultra long life cheap to operate low maintenance fibre optic network a waste? Is replacing the same with high maintenance high cost 100 year old copper wire based network also a waste? Where is the smartness, where are the savings?
I watched he last episodes of "Keating" on ABC iView last night.
Keating made the statement that he had to execute Hawk because Hawk could not let go. Turnbull needs to do the same to Abbott, but I fear Turnbull does not have the balls that Keating had!
Abbott is chaos surrounded by calamity, he has picked a set of 2ICs that are no threat to him, the bulk are less capable than himself and unleashed them on the country and the world! What he has done would not even get across the line in place like Appalachia!
Where do we get some of these so called 'leaders'. Pyne's comments and strategies on his education portfolio are beyond embarrassing. Where did we get this clown from? Did the brief read, 'Incompetent D1ckhead needed to take charge of education in Australia... apply A. Abbott... in crayon and 1 syllable words'.
I'm not sure that Pyne is an Incompetent Dickhead Baggers, although after 6 years as opposition education spokesperson, you would think that he would have developed some kind of plan. I think it is more a matter of doggedly following right wing ideology and devout hero worship; why else would he even mention John Howard's failed education program.
No, I've just argued myself around to your assessment, he is an Incompetent Dickhead.
For a Government that's supposedly concerned with eliminating 'waste', how can they possibly be throwing money at the recalcitrant States without requiring any improvements in education delivery?
the conundrum is that there simply is no money in the til
tightening the belt is long arduous and unpopular .
Unfortunately, there was a lot of waste in the last 6 years
regardless of ideology of policy and whether one deemed it to be successful or not
The problem with using a term like "waste" in an argument like this is that it is subjective. What is "waste"?
Is a university spot a waste?
What about a hospital bed, is that a waste?
Perhaps cuts to such are considered to be a "saving', I suppose until you need one it is?
How about some diplomacy is offering some a waste? Given the diplomatic state of things today is unraveling over three decades of diplomatic effort in just a week or two also a waste?
Is waste selling gun boats to a semi-gorilla controlled democracy a waste of human life or is it just irresponsible?
Is cutting emission controls a waste? Perhaps we are going to turn the carbons around and send them home if they try to cross our border without permission!
Is canceling an ultra long life cheap to operate low maintenance fibre optic network a waste? Is replacing the same with high maintenance high cost 100 year old copper wire based network also a waste? Where is the smartness, where are the savings?
having a first home buyers grant available to anyone that's a first home buyer - it should have been means tested
pink batts - millions were lost in that rort, and continues to loose with investigations etc
the millions in focus group researchers and "consultants"
I m all for innovation, but sometimes the haste and cost and the somewhat blind spending, to what appears to be a politicians legacy
comes at a cost, which must produce a gain, directly or indirectly
...and then, perhaps, Russell Brand is right and that most if not all politicians are semi useless creatures who simply do the bidding for the wealthy elite who really control everything.
the conundrum is that there simply is no money in the til
tightening the belt is long arduous and unpopular .
Unfortunately, there was a lot of waste in the last 6 years
regardless of ideology of policy and whether one deemed it to be successful or not
The problem with using a term like "waste" in an argument like this is that it is subjective. What is "waste"?
Is a university spot a waste?
What about a hospital bed, is that a waste?
Perhaps cuts to such are considered to be a "saving', I suppose until you need one it is?
How about some diplomacy is offering some a waste? Given the diplomatic state of things today is unraveling over three decades of diplomatic effort in just a week or two also a waste?
Is waste selling gun boats to a semi-gorilla controlled democracy a waste of human life or is it just irresponsible?
Is cutting emission controls a waste? Perhaps we are going to turn the carbons around and send them home if they try to cross our border without permission!
Is canceling an ultra long life cheap to operate low maintenance fibre optic network a waste? Is replacing the same with high maintenance high cost 100 year old copper wire based network also a waste? Where is the smartness, where are the savings?
having a first home buyers grant available to anyone that's a first home buyer - it should have been means tested
pink batts - millions were lost in that rort, and continues to loose with investigations etc
the millions in focus group researchers and "consultants"
I m all for innovation, but sometimes the haste and cost and the somewhat blind spending, to what appears to be a politicians legacy
comes at a cost, which must produce a gain, directly or indirectly
Politicians waste tax payers money making reactive changes in policy to appease the voting public.
They dont use money efficiently and more money is wasted undoing and redoing government projects when governments change and policies do an about turn, than the individual government itself.
having a first home buyers grant available to anyone that's a first home buyer - it should have been means tested
pink batts - millions were lost in that rort, and continues to loose with investigations etc
the millions in focus group researchers and "consultants"
I m all for innovation, but sometimes the haste and cost and the somewhat blind spending, to what appears to be a politicians legacy
comes at a cost, which must produce a gain, directly or indirectly
It is not exclusive this waste issue.
Superannuation incentives through tax breaks that only millionaires or billionaires can access?
A publicly funded maternity scheme that is open to millionaires and billionaires?
Innovation is good, rolling out more copper phone lines and cutting education is not innovative it is archaic.
This is the whole point at the moment, the blokes who sold themselves as the great fiscal managers are going to weddings and building private libraries using tax payer funds. Can I have a tax deduction for attending my cousins wedding?
Hard to see how any of them can claim the high moral, ethical or economic ground!
They are all pigs at the trough, and equally as bad!
having a first home buyers grant available to anyone that's a first home buyer - it should have been means tested
pink batts - millions were lost in that rort, and continues to loose with investigations etc
the millions in focus group researchers and "consultants"
I m all for innovation, but sometimes the haste and cost and the somewhat blind spending, to what appears to be a politicians legacy
comes at a cost, which must produce a gain, directly or indirectly
It is not exclusive this waste issue.
Superannuation incentives through tax breaks that only millionaires or billionaires can access?
A publicly funded maternity scheme that is open to millionaires and billionaires?
Innovation is good, rolling out more copper phone lines and cutting education is not innovative it is archaic.
This is the whole point at the moment, the blokes who sold themselves as the great fiscal managers are going to weddings and building private libraries using tax payer funds. Can I have a tax deduction for attending my cousins wedding?
Hard to see how any of them can claim the high moral, ethical or economic ground!
They are all pigs at the trough, and equally as bad!
I agree, this country aint like it used to be
having a first home buyers grant available to anyone that's a first home buyer - it should have been means tested
pink batts - millions were lost in that rort, and continues to loose with investigations etc
the millions in focus group researchers and "consultants"
I m all for innovation, but sometimes the haste and cost and the somewhat blind spending, to what appears to be a politicians legacy
comes at a cost, which must produce a gain, directly or indirectly
It is not exclusive this waste issue.
Superannuation incentives through tax breaks that only millionaires or billionaires can access?
A publicly funded maternity scheme that is open to millionaires and billionaires?
Innovation is good, rolling out more copper phone lines and cutting education is not innovative it is archaic.
This is the whole point at the moment, the blokes who sold themselves as the great fiscal managers are going to weddings and building private libraries using tax payer funds. Can I have a tax deduction for attending my cousins wedding?
Hard to see how any of them can claim the high moral, ethical or economic ground!
They are all pigs at the trough, and equally as bad!
I agree, this country aint like it used to be
Yes, it hasn't been the same since Pig Iron Bob got the top job after WW2!
More pokes at the prince I see, a battle looms large.
Abbott vs Turnbull is coming!
The events, rumors and reports almost mirror the days of Hawke and Keating. The older among you have seen this all before!
While Abbott is busy on his pedestal fixing the leaky ceiling, Turnbull chips away at the foundations!
Add to that I see Tony is returning to his progressive ways, and fixing the leaks by shooting the messengers full of holes!
Hard to believe he was voted in, or is it the others were voted out!
More pokes at the prince I see, a battle looms large.
Abbott vs Turnbull is coming!
The events, rumors and reports almost mirror the days of Hawke and Keating. The older among you have seen this all before!
While Abbott is busy on his pedestal fixing the leaky ceiling, Turnbull chips away at the foundations!
Add to that I see Tony is returning to his progressive ways, and fixing the leaks by shooting the messengers full of holes!
Hard to believe he was voted in, or is it the other were voted out!
We've been in the 'voting out' business for a while now, Oh Spotted Puss.
And, yep, Abbott can sure feel Turnbulls fangs snapping at his toosh.
Tone was the attack dog required to get rid of Gillard and the Kruddster. Now to bring on Malcolm to guide the country forward??
Tone's probably still got the numbers.
Tone was the attack dog required to get rid of Gillard and the Kruddster. Now to bring on Malcolm to guide the country forward??
Tone's probably still got the numbers.
Don't under estimate Turnbull, he's a smart cookie Cookie. ;)
Tone was the attack dog required to get rid of Gillard and the Kruddster. Now to bring on Malcolm to guide the country forward??
Tone's probably still got the numbers.
Don't under estimate Turnbull, he's a smart cookie Cookie. ;)
He's very very smart JK and I certainly wouldn't underestimate him, but it may take him a bit longer to displace Tone, that's all. :)
Tone was the attack dog required to get rid of Gillard and the Kruddster. Now to bring on Malcolm to guide the country forward??
Tone's probably still got the numbers.
Don't under estimate Turnbull, he's a smart cookie Cookie. ;)
He's very very smart JK and I certainly wouldn't underestimate him, but it may take him a bit longer to displace Tone, that's all. :)
he's see it as one vote that displaced him as future PM - those scars don't heal
Here we go again,
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/prime-minister-tony-abbott-breaches-royal-protocol-with-an-arm-round-prince-william-20140424-zqz2g.html
I hope like hell that the British tabloids and monarchists make a huge issue out of this. Would love nothing more than the republican debate to be reignited.
Here we go again,
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/prime-minister-tony-abbott-breaches-royal-protocol-with-an-arm-round-prince-william-20140424-zqz2g.html
I hope like hell that the British tabloids and monarchists make a huge issue out of this. Would love nothing more than the republican debate to be reignited.
Yep
Hands in the back
Free kick to William ;D
The Prince is lucky that the PM didn't take him out the back and give him a jolly good rogering.
Yep
Hands in the back
Free kick to William ;D
It would have been a free last season Lods, but Campbell has changed the interpretation and 'play on' is the correct call ;)
The Prince is lucky that the PM didn't take him out the back and give him a jolly good rogering.
Tony is probably wondering why it was absent from the itinerary, as I'm sure he was anticipating it to be the highlight of the Royal tour.
For someone who has his head so far up the 'Royal Clacker', this will breach of protocol will really embarrass him.
Pity he wasn't embarrassed about the 100s of children being psychologically damaged for life in our detention centres.
I'm very interested in this budget.
Sounds like it could be a sensible yet unpopular one.
I have heard it said many times that people need to understand that we aren't in the economic boom time of 12-14 years ago and that, currently, we can't spend/give away money and increase wages like we could back then.
We simply cannot go down the path that some European nations have gone down and bankrupt the State due to unreasonably high welfare payments.
Concerning times ahead..... but I guess that's why something like Football can be so consuming.
the budget brought by luca brasi is going to hurt.
the budget brought by luca brasi is going to hurt.
We'll be getting our fish wrapped in brown paper just like the old days!!
Checkmate to Mr Malcolm "Call Me Sir" Turnbull over the last few days!
He let the Tony "The Mad Monk" Abbott and George "Bigots are People Too" Brandis hang themselves on attempts to explain as basic and fundamental aspect of on-line censorship. They invariably made complete fools of themselves in a bumbling stumbling mix of IT buffoonery that was only marginally less amusing than an episode of The Three Stooges, primarily because the Libs were only Two Stooges!
All the while I gather "Sir Malcolm" must have sat back watching as the happy train wreck continued before his eyes.
The young liberals will be rubbing their hands together with glee at the very thought of the old world NSW crew slowly dying off or being shelled relentlessly by the IPA(Encouraged and closely followed, well perhaps not too closely after all "encourage" does not mean "courage", by Andrew "I've Shot My" Bolt egging them along!)
Who'd have thunk it. The Coalition are so self-righteous-centered they managed to stitch themselves up!
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Sorry I just had to post this, because he's our Attorney General. Aren't we proud?
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Australia, where even an IT illiterate, bigot loving fool can be put in charge of everything!
God Bless Australia, truly is the lucky country!
Comedians the world over have pleaded with the LNP to NOT replace Abbott and Brandis until at least March next year as the material they are gathering for the 2015 Melbourne International Comedy Festival is still being written. Promising to be the best festival ever. The race is on... who will provide comedians with the most material - Abbott or Brandis? The Brandis explanation yesterday almost put him in the lead... but no doubt Tony has a doozy up his sleeve just around the corner - well, he really only has to open his mouth!