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Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: crashlander on February 22, 2020, 11:20:57 am

Title: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: crashlander on February 22, 2020, 11:20:57 am
We may be on the TV (although I can't be sure of that), but I am surprised. The Pre-season comp is really no more than practice matches, hence the title. However, I won't complain, as I won't be in Freo next weekend.
My first chance to see how we are developing. Very interested to see who plays.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: crashlander on February 26, 2020, 07:48:05 am
At the moment Cripps and SPS are non-starters. Cripps is playing in the State game, while SPS has a minor quad injury. During the season SPS might have come up, but with no great need, we are being conservative. I won't mind, as long as he plays against the Tiggers.

The match is at Mandurah.

Freo won't have Fyffe, which hurts them very badly.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on February 26, 2020, 07:54:51 am
Freo 'injury' list - Hogan, Pearce, Hamling....

They'll be bottom 4 this year. As will Essendon (or thereabouts) - currently injured:

Ambrose with PCL has joined.....

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He has joined skipper Dyson Heppell (foot), Joe Daniher (groin), Tom Bellchambers (knee), Michael Hurley (shoulder), Cale Hooker (hip), Mitch Hibberd (knee), Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (calf) and James Stewart (groin) as players battling injury concerns.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: crashlander on February 26, 2020, 07:59:09 am
Freo 'injury' list - Hogan, Pearce, Hamling....

They'll be bottom 4 this year. As will Essendon (or thereabouts) - currently injured:

Ambrose with PCL has joined.....

I wonder what the people who selected Hogan for Rising Star over Cripps are thinking now... I am sure more than a few would change their votes.

Freo have depended on Sandilands for a long time now. It will be interesting to see how they manage without him.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on February 26, 2020, 08:07:06 am
I wonder what the people who selected Hogan for Rising Star over Cripps are thinking now... I am sure more than a few would change their votes.
I doubt it, those votes were not about the best player, we know some of them will never vote for a Carlton player despite stating(a lie) publicly that they do!

The good thing of course, it just exposes the goose!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: crashlander on February 27, 2020, 08:03:33 am
No Eddie Betts: he's in Melbourne playing for the All-Stars.
However, Matthew Kreuzer is expected to have some game time. Pretty good recovery after heart surgery!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on February 27, 2020, 08:35:45 am
No Eddie Betts: he's in Melbourne playing for the All-Stars.
However, Matthew Kreuzer is expected to have some game time. Pretty good recovery after heart surgery!

“Procedure” Crash!  :)
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on February 27, 2020, 10:31:50 am
“Procedure” Crash!  :)

Given the AFL Media had SpecialK at death's door, I think Crash was being a bit sarcastic!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: cookie2 on February 27, 2020, 12:16:03 pm

Given the AFL Media had SpecialK at death's door, I think Crash was being a bit sarcastic!

Wasn't he having arrows removed??
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on February 27, 2020, 12:51:56 pm
Wasn't he having arrows removed??
 Surely the media coverage is bogus, a Carlton person with a heart, ridiculous! :o
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: cookie2 on February 27, 2020, 02:49:30 pm
Surely the media coverage is bogus, a Carlton person with a heart, ridiculous! :o

Fake news from the media!! Surely not?  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on February 27, 2020, 03:42:36 pm
Fake news from the media!! Surely not?  ::)  ;D
Everybody knows, only CheatsFC and The Filth have a heart.

Whether it be hunting down rogue mothers to prevent further psychological damage to a young star recruit, or helping young drug addicts have or retain an AFL career. Nothing is too hard for them to make an effort!

They bare all leaving nothing in reserve week after week!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: WASurfer on February 27, 2020, 04:13:29 pm
Crash...the Hogan over Cripps for Rising Star wasn't anywhere as bad as the one to award it to Lewis Taylor...ahead of a bloke from the Dogs called Bontempelli who goes alright.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: crashlander on February 27, 2020, 05:06:24 pm
Crash...the Hogan over Cripps for Rising Star wasn't anywhere as bad as the one to award it to Lewis Taylor...ahead of a bloke from the Dogs called Bontempelli who goes alright.
History has made that one look a little suspect, I agree.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: WASurfer on February 27, 2020, 06:34:53 pm
Our team for Saturday, on paper, looks a lot stronger than Fremantle...including a solid starting back 6. All 3 of Casboult, TDK & Pittonet named along with Kruezer.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Baggers on February 27, 2020, 07:55:03 pm
Lang is so very lucky that Crippa and Edwardo have the Friday night gig and Murph is being managed.

Be good to see how the lads do without Crippa, Murph and Edwardo... more pressure on Martin as the 'small' forward and a coupla mids are going to have to 'stand up.'

Might take advantage of the Kayo free two week trial offer to watch the Marsh series games...
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: cookie2 on February 27, 2020, 08:12:16 pm
Lang is so very lucky that Crippa and Edwardo have the Friday night gig and Murph is being managed.

Be good to see how the lads do without Crippa, Murph and Edwardo... more pressure on Martin as the 'small' forward and a coupla mids are going to have to 'stand up.'

Might take advantage of the Kayo free two week trial offer to watch the Marsh series games...

Kayo now offering $15 pm for 1 year. Good value imo. Note. For Telstra customers.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on February 27, 2020, 08:31:37 pm
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/569439?fbclid=IwAR0jy6T3WJrDksmuJ9cd66pAsF5ziADZKoNGTdLxy1Yy3DFxnzxM_K3cJN8

Saturday’s Marsh Community Series game will begin at 4:10pm AWST (7:10pm AEDT).

            
Backs:   Nic Newman   Liam Jones   Lachie Plowman
Half backs:   Sam Docherty   Jacob Weitering   Kade Simpson
Centreline:   Jack Newnes   Sam Walsh   Ed Curnow
Half forwards:   Jack Martin   Levi Casboult   Jack Silvagni
Forwards:   Michael Gibbons   Tom De Koning   Darcy Lang
Followers:   Matthew Kreuzer   Will Setterfield   Zac Fisher
Interchange:   Tom Williamson   David Cuningham   Paddy Dow
    Matthew Kennedy   Cameron Polson   Sam Philp
    Marc Pittonet   Callum Moore
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on February 27, 2020, 08:32:11 pm
ps that's a strong team even without Betts and Crippa.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: townsendcalling on February 27, 2020, 09:42:32 pm
ps that's a strong team even without Betts and Crippa.
Need room for Cripps, Murphy, Betts and SPS in that lineup, with the possibility of McGovern and McKay to also be Round 1 considerations.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on February 27, 2020, 10:12:37 pm
https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/569469/team-six-new-faces-for-first-marsh-clash

Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: spf on February 28, 2020, 12:42:16 am
Kayo now offering $15 pm for 1 year. Good value imo. Note. For Telstra customers.

Check the reviews on Kayo - awful buffering and problems with cancellation of subscriptions. I will be interested to hear about your experiences with it.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: cookie2 on February 28, 2020, 07:51:47 am
Check the reviews on Kayo - awful buffering and problems with cancellation of subscriptions. I will be interested to hear about your experiences with it.

I have had no problems at all. Performance is excellent and I recently cancelled my subscription and rejoined to take advantage of their lower cost offer.  No problem. Buffering problems could be caused by the internet service provider or the user's network  of course?
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on February 28, 2020, 08:53:31 am
Check the reviews on Kayo - awful buffering and problems with cancellation of subscriptions. I will be interested to hear about your experiences with it.
Generally, I've had no problems either, I've been pleasantly surprised.

I think many end users just do not have suitable home networks and a lot of the NBN and Streaming problems relate to the home equipment not the services.

FWIW, the Kayo App seems to automatically drop the definition in preference to freezing the action, so if you have a lot of traffic on your home network and the router can't keep up you find you're watching in SD or lower resolution. Much the same way Youtube works when on automatic quality.

Also with Kayo, cancelling isn't a big deal, like Netflix and Stan they are happy for you to start and stop the subscription, you don't need an annual contract like Foxtel or others.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: spf on February 28, 2020, 11:48:40 am
I have had no problems at all. Performance is excellent and I recently cancelled my subscription and rejoined to take advantage of their lower cost offer.  No problem. Buffering problems could be caused by the internet service provider or the user's network  of course?

How did you rejoin? I thought they blocked you using the same information (i.e. name, email, phone number, credit card). They should just see you as resuming your subscription not as a new member.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: sydneybluesfan on February 28, 2020, 01:52:08 pm
My Kayo experience has been great as well. The 'Mini' replays are great, especially for cricket where you get an extended highlight package.

Also don't underestimate the ability to 'disappear' to a quiet corner of the house and watch a live game on the ipad. It's gold!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: cookie2 on February 28, 2020, 02:12:43 pm
How did you rejoin? I thought they blocked you using the same information (i.e. name, email, phone number, credit card). They should just see you as resuming your subscription not as a new member.

The offer is open to new and  returning subscribers as long as you are a Telstra customer. You need to access it via the Telstra portal. No problem at all.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on February 28, 2020, 02:55:34 pm
My Kayo experience has been great as well. The 'Mini' replays are great, especially for cricket where you get an extended highlight package.

Also don't underestimate the ability to 'disappear' to a quiet corner of the house and watch a live game on the ipad. It's gold!

I've always been a FTA kind of guy, even in recent years with all the paid / streaming services, but that ability to disappear to watch a game does sound rather enticing.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Jack Burton on February 28, 2020, 03:27:40 pm
That's exactly why I have a mancave....
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on February 28, 2020, 03:55:59 pm
That's exactly why I have a mancave....

That would be nice.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on February 28, 2020, 04:39:25 pm
For me it's the mobility of Kayo, from an armchair to the garage and into the garden, it goes where I go big screen or thumbnail!

I've got friends and relatives that watch it everywhere, from sitting by a river fishing (which seems somewhat antithetical) to rolling around the countryside on a slow steam train to nowhere!

Of course temporally, if you have great self-control and can wait, then you can watch it at anytime, from live as it happens or in a delay of a second or a year!

If Carlton is on it can become a real problem. I've been chastised by the trouble and strife for having it on my phone at a wedding reception in Lygon St, but I can't think of a more appropriate location! ;D
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: kruddler on February 29, 2020, 12:57:54 pm
I've been with Kayo since the first week of its existence.

Only had streaming issues a couple of times, and that was more about the device i was using rather than the service itself.

As an example of how useful it can be....
I've been at a beach house i'm renovating without any internet....but i have an oldish TV there. I take a laptop, which i hotspot from my phone. Bring up Kayo on the laptop and HDMI it to the TV (it doesn't have mirroring, or the KAYO app on the TV)
Never had an issue with streaming with that setup....and thats simply mobile phone internet.

Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: laj on February 29, 2020, 06:16:31 pm
Best we get ourselves in shape early. Want a 100pt win over Richmond round 1....haha.

Who plays Gold Coast first game? Lol!

Swamp
@sirswampthing
Teams to be sitting on top of the
@AFL ladder at the end of round 01 in
leap years this century
2000 - ESS
2004 PORT
2008 - HAW
2012 - SYD
2016 - WBD
Premiers in leap years this century
2000 - ESS
2004 - PORT
2008 - HAW
2012 - SYD
2016 - WBD
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: townsendcalling on February 29, 2020, 07:42:42 pm
Sloppy first quarter. Too slow to react and ordinary ball use.  Poulson did a couple of very nice things......
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on February 29, 2020, 07:50:08 pm
Where's the leadership?
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Macca37 on February 29, 2020, 08:19:56 pm
What a miserable, disheartening half of football.  No improvement whatsoever in ball skills.  Another long year ahead.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: shawny on February 29, 2020, 08:22:22 pm
Skills still awful.  Not much to get excited about.

Watching 2 bottom teams.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on February 29, 2020, 08:24:41 pm
Where's the skills?

Martin is showing a bit in a very lacklustre effort.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Professer E on February 29, 2020, 09:23:26 pm
It's a practice game but I wouldn't be happy with that result.   Struggled to kick goals and couldn't defend.

Losing to that mob at any time is not acceptable.

Not a great start.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on February 29, 2020, 09:30:01 pm
Diabolical decision making AND BALL USE.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: JonDorotich on February 29, 2020, 09:49:19 pm

Can’t really take to much out of that but I expect much more from Setterfield and Dow.

Our bottom tier of Kennedy, Poulson, Gibbons, Pittonet etc simply isn’t much chop. Depth a bit of an issue I’m afraid
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on February 29, 2020, 09:51:22 pm
It may be just a pre-season game but I suspect that we are in for yet another long and frustrating season  :(

It was good that Doc got through the game unscathed.  Of the new blokes, Martin showed a bit and Pittonet did OK.

Can we get Daisy back as a supplementary pick?
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on February 29, 2020, 09:54:08 pm
Can’t really take to much out of that but I expect much more from Setterfield and Dow.

Our bottom tier of Kennedy, Poulson, Gibbons, Pittonet etc simply isn’t much chop. Depth a bit of an issue I’m afraid

Big call when Cripps, Eddie, Plow, the Guv, Big H, Charlie, Murphy aren't out there at all and guys like Special k and Jack M play a half at most.

Still lots of dumb, dumb, dumb ball use.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Gointocarlton on February 29, 2020, 10:01:34 pm
43 to 90, that should put a dent in things (praccy match or not).
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Spanner on February 29, 2020, 10:02:01 pm
Carlton just being Carlton. Why change a losing formula? We've perfected it over the past 20 years. This year will be no different. Bottom 2 guaranteed. We're officially the new St Kilda... Embarassing!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Jack Burton on February 29, 2020, 10:05:28 pm
Effort OK, but ball use by foot was appalling, if we can't improve that then we're toast
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on February 29, 2020, 10:11:38 pm
Big call when Cripps, Eddie, Plow, the Guv, Big H, Charlie, Murphy aren't out there at all and guys like Special k and Jack M play a half at most.

Still lots of dumb, dumb, dumb ball use.

And Freo was at full strength?  The outs for both sides were fairly even but the side we put on the park let themselves down with poor execution, lack of effort and inability to execute the gameplan.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on February 29, 2020, 10:24:05 pm
Can't agree, we were missing half or more of our best 18.

no SPS, O'Brien. The former at least a regular 22 player.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: townsendcalling on February 29, 2020, 10:27:25 pm
Positives were Walsh again, Jones, Silvagni who never stopped trying and Fisher who looked more involved than any time last year.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: crashlander on February 29, 2020, 10:30:34 pm
Not happy. Not happy at all.  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 29, 2020, 10:34:40 pm
Ball use by foot was terrible as was some decision making, thought Jones and Weitering  were reliable and Walsh got some footy but it was hard to get excited about too much else. Martin had some nice moments until he went off but we really looked slow and out of our depth vs a lot of no name Freo players. Schultz was all over our small defenders and Bailey Banfield(who?) was too much for Williamson who looked like he needed a rest especially at the end when he got a boot in the mouth.
Lobbe slaughtered us around the ground and marked everything that came his way, Pittonet did some ok things and supported his team-mates well but lacks a bit of class vs a player like Lobbe.
Only a practice game so no need to panic but without Cripps we look a bit rudderless, I know Fyfe wasnt playing but I think Cripps is more important to us given we have so many small bodies.
re: Moore and Sturgess.....didnt see the latter on the ground, Moore wasnt up to it and Casboult was our only real threat up forward. Going to very hard to score vs the Tigers round 1 if we dont get Harry and McGovern fit and on the park and have Betts doing the crumbing.
What was more disappointing tonight was that Freo are not very good....and most of us wouldnt know half their players names.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on February 29, 2020, 10:35:01 pm
I think they can stop looking at Callum Moore for a list spot 🙄 very sloppy disposal and kicking for goal.
There used to be an old saying in my day “ play as you train” only a practice match but same crap as last 20 years.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on February 29, 2020, 10:48:47 pm
Ball use by foot was terrible as was some decision making, thought Jones and Weitering  were reliable and Walsh got some footy but it was hard to get excited about too much else. Martin had some nice moments until he went off but we really looked slow and out of our depth vs a lot of no name Freo players. Schultz was all over our small defenders and Bailey Banfield(who?) was too much for Williamson who looked like he needed a rest especially at the end when he got a boot in the mouth.
Lobbe slaughtered us around the ground and marked everything that came his way, Pittonet did some ok things and supported his team-mates well but lacks a bit of class vs a player like Lobbe.
Only a practice game so no need to panic but without Cripps we look a bit rudderless, I know Fyfe wasnt playing but I think Cripps is more important to us given we have so many small bodies.
re: Moore and Sturgess.....didnt see the latter on the ground, Moore wasnt up to it and Casboult was our only real threat up forward. Going to very hard to score vs the Tigers round 1 if we dont get Harry and McGovern fit and on the park and have Betts doing the crumbing.
What was more disappointing tonight was that Freo are not very good....and most of us wouldnt know half their players names.

EB - no excuses in pro sport but:

1. we were missing literally half a team - Betts, Crippa, Curnow, Big H, the Guv, Murphy, Plow and SPS (and LOB). And Kreuz and Jack M played <50%.

2. More importantly, humidity in Mandurah this afternoon was 80%.

They would have been told to go at half throttle. Sadly it showed.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Tragic on February 29, 2020, 10:53:02 pm
very uninspiring. thankfully just a practice match.

doc and willo rusty.  martin looked pretty good.  fisher played well.  walsh did alright.  weiters, cas and jones solid.  the rest...

hoping we have closer to round 1 side available for next one.  concerned that gov and harry unlikely.

Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on February 29, 2020, 11:55:42 pm
4 months of preseason and that’s what they dish up...wow
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on March 01, 2020, 12:13:50 am
very uninspiring. thankfully just a practice match.

doc and willo rusty.  martin looked pretty good.  fisher played well.  walsh did alright.  weiters, cas and jones solid.  the rest...

hoping we have closer to round 1 side available for next one.  concerned that gov and harry unlikely.


Guv will play next week, possibly Harry too.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Tragic on March 01, 2020, 07:58:39 am
I suppose if you add Plow, Cripps, SPS, Gov, Harry, Murph, Betts, and more game time to Kreuz & Martin, that's nearly half of our very best players missing.  Then you take out the extra 4 on the bench, and we'll be dropping 10 of the poorest performers come round 1.  The only issue is we'll be facing the tiggers in round 1...

I'll keep my doom and gloom in check for now.   
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on March 01, 2020, 09:15:42 am
Unless Teague gave firm instructions to go at 60% (because of the high humidity or whatever), I'd be ropable if I was him and the coaching staff....
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Baggers on March 01, 2020, 09:38:03 am
Well that was disappointing, to say the least. Talk about flashbacks to early last year and the previous two years - too little on-field leadership. Nothing like the side I watched last week at PP against Rottingwood.

Looked to me like a bit of 'getting ahead of ourselves.' Played like champs last week and it appeared some blokes thought it would just all happen... just like last week! Way too early for the 'swagger', lads.

The skill errors were horrendous... and often! Backline generally good until being overwhelmed in the last qtr. Midfield struggled and lacked authority and the forward line was a shambles.

Also looked like Longmuir coached v. well and knew how to frustrate us. Good test for DT, thought he was out coached.

Our 'outs' were considerable and the conditions would have been something of a shock for our blokes. This was an ideal opportunity for Lang and Cuningham in particular to make a statement. Lang gave us next to nothing and Cuningham did his usual couple of really good outside things then ran around in circles for the remainder. Sturgess and Moore didn't help their chances of getting onto our list, one bit. Might be a long year for Kennedy and Polson. Time for Dow to extract digit. Willo was a shadow of the bloke I saw last week.

Liked Doc, once he blew off more cobwebs. Weiters was a ripper.  SOJ will be bumless today... worked his clacker off.

Might be a timely loss (hate finding positives in such a poor showing) as it will remind the blokes, bluntly, of what is required when you turn up to play... because too many of our blokes didn't turn up, and too many turned it over.

It's one game, a pre season game, an under-manned side with an ordinary attitude. Let's hope it's an aberration. Bring on our next game so we can redeem ourselves.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 01, 2020, 10:18:05 am
After being told by Dinkum Dave that we, the supporters, love scoring more than anything, we were properly fobbed off with a reheated, stale pizza version of Bolton, complete with kicking to the boundary, fumbly skills, slow ball movement AND Ed Curnow playing as a forward.

Country folk are known for their wry humour.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on March 01, 2020, 10:21:15 am
In our glory days, we hardly ever won a pre-season game, in fact it looked like we weren't taking them seriously at all!

I realise times have changed, but I can't help it, because my experience tells me to completely ignore pre-season form!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: laj on March 01, 2020, 10:28:33 am
Pre-season, half a side out, traveling cross country, half interested other than having a run in the park. Only the very stupid get caught up.

See what happens next time.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 01, 2020, 10:43:01 am
In our glory days, we hardly ever won a pre-season game, in fact it looked like we weren't taking them seriously at all!

I realise times have changed, but I can't help it, because my experience tells me to completely ignore pre-season form!

I was just kidding. I'm sure Dave has a few aces up his sleeve. The Swans have a well known culture of basically laughing at pre season, since the Roos era and possibly earlier.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Blue Moon on March 01, 2020, 10:44:53 am
What I am concerned with is the tendency for our sides to pick and choose when they are going to try. I thought the endeavour and intent against Collingwood was excellent, as laj said, "Pre-season, half a side out, traveling cross country, half interested other than having a run in the park".  The problem with that is that Carlton sides have been doing this for decades during the real season. It was alright during the 70's, 80's & 90's when we were winning Premierships, but this century we have been winning wooden spoons. Winning teams win because they win, losing teams lose because they lose. The lack of a winning culture has cost Brittain, Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse and Bolton their jobs. This is the one aspect of culture Teague needs to fix.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 01, 2020, 10:58:24 am
What I am concerned with is the tendency for our sides to pick and choose when they are going to try. .............  The problem with that is that Carlton sides have been doing this for decades during the real season. It was alright during the 70's, 80's & 90's when we were winning Premierships, but this century we have been winning wooden spoons. Winning teams win because they win, losing teams lose because they lose. The lack of a winning culture has cost Brittain, Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse and Bolton their jobs. This is the one aspect of culture Teague needs to fix.

It's an interesting point to ponder, and I doubt there's a simple answer. I'm sure part of it is because clubs are simply more risk averse, living as we do in a more professional, welfare-aware era. In earlier times, I'm quite certain they were running on half rat juice so as to conserve energy for the recovery session at the pub, starting with a race to see who could get there first.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on March 01, 2020, 11:43:54 am
It's an interesting point to ponder, and I doubt there's a simple answer. I'm sure part of it is because clubs are simply more risk averse, living as we do in a more professional, welfare-aware era. In earlier times, I'm quite certain they were running on half rat juice so as to conserve energy for the recovery session at the pub, starting with a race to see who could get there first.
That would be the old Carlton we love and admire, the David Parkin / Robert Walls / Alex Jesaulenko / John Nicholls Carlton. (We'll omit the Percy Jones era for tactical purposes!)

It might not help, but given our recent history it couldn't hurt! :o
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Baggers on March 01, 2020, 11:44:40 am
Pre-season, half a side out, traveling cross country, half interested other than having a run in the park. Only the very stupid get caught up.

See what happens next time.

You forget the very nature of passion, hope and optimism, Jim Old Son. To label people 'very stupid' for getting 'caught up' is a bit harsh. I don't think it's any more complicated than loving our club so much that we hate to see them lose... then vent. Ah, humans, we're a strange bunch.

Let's see what we bring to the Loins game... then the Tiggers. (spelling errors intentional...  🤭 )
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on March 01, 2020, 12:01:51 pm
Also looked like Longmuir coached v. well and knew how to frustrate us. Good test for DT, thought he was out coached.

Both coaches would have been hampered by fitness and conditioning limitations but it seemed that we had done no opposition analysis and simply went out to play our game regardless.  Worse was the fact that we had no plan B.

Longmuir capitalised on his winning match ups and made changes to both shut us down and exploit weaknesses.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on March 01, 2020, 12:28:11 pm
Worse was the fact that we had no plan B.
I doubt we had any genuine intention of exposing our game plan or our backup game plan in a practise match.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 01, 2020, 12:37:52 pm
I doubt we had any genuine intention of exposing our game plan or our backup game plan in a practise match.
We went back to our old game plan of kicking it to the opposition and not bothering to man them up. Freos skills were better and they look much fitter, the heat and humidity probably favoured them as Fly suggested. eg Williamson looked knackered at 3/4 time and Banfield took him apart in that last quarter.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on March 01, 2020, 01:19:58 pm
We went back to our old game plan of kicking it to the opposition and not bothering to man them up. Freos skills were better and they look much fitter, the heat and humidity probably favoured them as Fly suggested. eg Williamson looked knackered at 3/4 time and Banfield took him apart in that last quarter.
We've no idea what phase of training we are under, high work load, tapering, recovery, etc., etc., it's the main difference between teams at this time of year. Russell can create an apparently poor result just with an appropriately timed heavy weights session.

Some coaches want to see what players can do, others just want players to get injury free miles under the belt.

We've no idea what Teague wants, what he says at a presser at this time of year is unlikely to be related to his closed door message, public commentary as such is just guess work.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Jack Burton on March 01, 2020, 01:43:49 pm
That is all true, but I'm pretty sure the message wasn't kick it straight to an unopposed opposition player every second time you get the ball
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Macca37 on March 01, 2020, 03:22:44 pm
Making allowances for the hot weather, having half our side out, the fact that the players weren't switched on etc, etc - we are still left with players whose foot skills are atrocious, who show no improvement over past seasons, and will see us carved up by the better sides.

If we are not able to have a season with very few injuries we will be punished by the top ten sides.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: laj on March 01, 2020, 03:56:24 pm
We looked alright the last practice game we played against the Pies. Pies had their turn there to look crap like we did last night. Nature of these games.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: laj on March 01, 2020, 03:56:54 pm
You forget the very nature of passion, hope and optimism, Jim Old Son. To label people 'very stupid' for getting 'caught up' is a bit harsh. I don't think it's any more complicated than loving our club so much that we hate to see them lose... then vent. Ah, humans, we're a strange bunch.

Let's see what we bring to the Loins game... then the Tiggers. (spelling errors intentional...  🤭 )
Saw enough against the Pies.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 01, 2020, 04:30:53 pm
We've no idea what phase of training we are under, high work load, tapering, recovery, etc., etc., it's the main difference between teams at this time of year. Russell can create an apparently poor result just with an appropriately timed heavy weights session.

Some coaches want to see what players can do, others just want players to get injury free miles under the belt.

We've no idea what Teague wants, what he says at a presser at this time of year is unlikely to be related to his closed door message, public commentary as such is just guess work.

Fair point but I dont think Teague wanted an 8 goal loss, hopefully we are more switched on vs Brisbane.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Lods on March 01, 2020, 04:48:31 pm
I think it's probably the case that these games aren't really there for the supporter.
They're there for experimentation, fine tuning  structures and perhaps to give the fringe contingent a bit of a hit-out alongside senior players
They're just designed to shake the cobwebs out.
Therefore results are pretty meaningless.
 
They're affected by a lot of factors
-Intensity of training in the week leading up to the match
-players being given different assignments to normal
-players missing that affect structures and support (Players who would normally attract a second or third string opponent are suddenly faced with a more difficult opponent if key players are missing.)
-players being managed in respect of time on the ground
-experimentation with tactics and set-ups
...and a whole lot of other variables.

Skills seem to have been an issue yesterday....
Senior players have a history of just cruising and getting through unscathed.
Fringe players, keen to impress may be over anxious, and make errors.

We'll field a much better team in terms of personnel and tactics come Round 1
If some of the issues are still evident then we will have real problems to worry about.





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Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 01, 2020, 04:55:45 pm
^^ 👍
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 01, 2020, 05:13:25 pm
Lots of excuses in the posts above. Something that dawned on me is that fact that we have been talking about our improved depth. Well the depth players didnt really put their best foot forward. Perhaps we dont have the depth we think we have. Anyhow, its a praccy match, lets hope we put up more of a fight next time.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: capcom on March 01, 2020, 05:17:18 pm
You can go in half hearted, but I find it hard to add in a faking of rubbish kicking.  Very unlikely.

 
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 01, 2020, 05:21:46 pm
Lots of excuses in the posts above. Something that dawned on me is that fact that we have been talking about our improved depth. Well the depth players didnt really put their best foot forward. Perhaps we dont have the depth we think we have. Anyhow, its a praccy match, lets hope we put up more of a fight next time.

We should at least wait until the end of the 1stq in R1 before we draw any firm conclusions. Anything before that is too early IMO.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 01, 2020, 05:37:09 pm
Liked this from Doc though, he's back!

https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/video/brawl-erupts-after-blues-co-captain-goes-berserk-on-dockers-youngster-1065485/?utm_source=FootyProphet&utm_medium=facebooklink&utm_campaign=affiliates&fbclid=IwAR0C0YmgEcR8EmBC1uzoy3oWORmRj8VXVRGJ0v3kcBgZmS9X_r5mOH4AQkQ
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 01, 2020, 05:48:42 pm
Liked this from Doc though, he's back!

https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/video/brawl-erupts-after-blues-co-captain-goes-berserk-on-dockers-youngster-1065485/?utm_source=FootyProphet&utm_medium=facebooklink&utm_campaign=affiliates&fbclid=IwAR0C0YmgEcR8EmBC1uzoy3oWORmRj8VXVRGJ0v3kcBgZmS9X_r5mOH4AQkQ

He's out of camera, but I'm guessing Doc ran 20, 30 ? metres to remonstrate with the kid. No nastiness, just letting him know his tackle wasn't appreciated. Newnes was quick to arrive as well.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 01, 2020, 05:50:23 pm
And I'm still a fan of the white clash jumper. The best out of an average bunch IMO.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on March 01, 2020, 09:10:12 pm
He's out of camera, but I'm guessing Doc ran 20, 30 ? metres to remonstrate with the kid. No nastiness, just letting him know his tackle wasn't appreciated. Newnes was quick to arrive as well.

An undisciplined act that caused a reversal.  Simmo should have received a 50m penalty for being taken out after marking and, had that been awarded, Doc may not have been so demonstrative.  Our leaders should fly the flag but they should also show discipline and not gift the opposition an inside 50.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 02, 2020, 07:00:37 am
An undisciplined act that caused a reversal.  Simmo should have received a 50m penalty for being taken out after marking and, had that been awarded, Doc may not have been so demonstrative.  Our leaders should fly the flag but they should also show discipline and not gift the opposition an inside 50.

Teague seems rather old school to this untrained observer, and I'm guessing we'll be seeing plenty of this under his watch. Sometimes, giving away a free seems like a small price to pay.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on March 02, 2020, 07:51:25 am
An undisciplined act that caused a reversal.  Simmo should have received a 50m penalty for being taken out after marking and, had that been awarded, Doc may not have been so demonstrative.  Our leaders should fly the flag but they should also show discipline and not gift the opposition an inside 50.
I hate those 50m penalties, I wish they weren't part of the game at all!

At the weekend we gave away two on the near wing that probably ended up being closer to 75m penalties that resulted in shots at goal, one was on the back half of the wing and ended up 10m inside the 50m arc! Then a little later we got a free kick on the HFF just 20m outside our F50 arc and two Freo players ran right past our player unaccompanied by any Carlton players and nothing was awarded.

 It's a rule that umpires rarely get right and it changes the coarse of games!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on March 02, 2020, 08:33:45 am
I hate those 50m penalties, I wish they weren't part of the game at all!

At the weekend we gave away two on the near wing that were probably ended up[ being closer to 75m penalties that resulted in shots at goal, one was on the back half of the wing and ended up 10m inside the 50m arc! Then a little later we got a free kick on the HFF just 20m outside our F50 arc and two Freo players ran right past our player unaccompanied by any Carlton players and nothing was awarded.

 It's a rule that umpires rarely get right and it changes the coarse of games!

That is a bad rule LP; a 50m penalty for an inconsequential act is bizarre!  However, I’m in favour of 50m penalties when a player is taken high after (or during) marking.  After Polly Farmer’s CTE diagnosis, I expected the head to be sacrosanct once more (although the soft penalty handed out to Williams suggests otherwise).
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Professer E on March 02, 2020, 12:48:35 pm
If we're going to drag ourselves out of the cellar we need serious,  step wise improvement from our younger brigade,  we can't expect much more from established senior players like Cripps, Murphy, Kreuzer etc.   It's time for blokes like Dow,  Fisher, Setterfield,  Kennedy, Stocker, SPS etc etc to extract the digit and step up.  They can't hide behind the youth tag any longer.  Some of these blokes are entering their fourth year.   It's time.

So in next weeks practice match,  these blokes need to come both ready to play and have some bloody impact or I fear yet another long,  wasted season.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: capcom on March 02, 2020, 01:40:34 pm
Never a truer word spoken.  They do NOT work hard enough.  They damn well should for the money they're on, practice match or not. 
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: rocky on March 02, 2020, 02:16:37 pm
While I agree there are several players currently going around that appear not be working to the required level, I thought the majority of the team DID work pretty hard for the majority of the match. The same old problem for me is the inability to hit up a player some 20 or metres up field. The work to get the ball into a position to deliver was good I thought, but just that final component was, well, it's just so frustrating.
P.S. Not a lot of credit being given to Weitering for his game on Saturday. Thought he was terrific and our best player after Walsh. Can't believe he didn't get in the list of best players??
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 02, 2020, 02:45:34 pm
Without Cripps I'm not sure we could win a game against any team including GC, has any Carlton team relied on one so player much?, even going back to Kouta I cant think of another player who carries such a load on his shoulders.
Unless we spread the work rate and match winning load more we wont get anywhere...I know we had outs but Freo had their key backs out(Hamling/Pearce) as well as Fyfe, Mundy and Walters...those last three are about as significant as it gets for Freo and we still lost by 8 goals and didnt have a player who really stood up and tried to take the game by the scruff of the neck.
With Charlie out for an extended time the pressure of being the match winner week in and week out continues to fall on Cripps...its not healthy and I agree with the Prof that we need some of this young talent to stand up and share the load.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on March 02, 2020, 02:47:53 pm
P.S. Not a lot of credit being given to Weitering for his game on Saturday. Thought he was terrific and our best player after Walsh. Can't believe he didn't get in the list of best players??
 Hardly ever gets a mention, rarely plays a bad game, the sort of bloke that will do a Brian Lake and win you the GF!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on March 02, 2020, 02:51:50 pm
With Charlie out for an extended time the pressure of being the match winner week in and week out continues to fall on Cripps...its not healthy and I agree with the Prof that we need some of this young talent to stand up and share the load.
I think we need a different formula, the mythical Plan B, but I don't expect to see it exposed during the pre-season!

When you look at who we've drafted and traded, you'd think we must surely have a small forward multiple goal scorer game plan hidden in there somewhere, one that isn't about bombing the ball long into F50 for an occasional KPF to mark. Sure we've got a bunch of 200cm types, but if we are expecting talls to clunk a bag of i50 marks then why have we loaded up on small and medium forwards, and even others that we pursued without success?

When will we see it, Rnd 1?

At the moment our game plan as exposed didn't fit our team selection profile, so I can't treat the weekend result seriously. We selected a bunch of sauciers and asked them to bake a croissant! At one stage we were bombing the ball long to Gibbons one out inside F50 with a KPD, it gave me flashbacks to the bad old Betts days!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: shawny on March 02, 2020, 06:47:15 pm
Without Cripps I'm not sure we could win a game against any team including GC, has any Carlton team relied on one so player much?, even going back to Kouta I cant think of another player who carries such a load on his shoulders.
Unless we spread the work rate and match winning load more we wont get anywhere...I know we had outs but Freo had their key backs out(Hamling/Pearce) as well as Fyfe, Mundy and Walters...those last three are about as significant as it gets for Freo and we still lost by 8 goals and didnt have a player who really stood up and tried to take the game by the scruff of the neck.
With Charlie out for an extended time the pressure of being the match winner week in and week out continues to fall on Cripps...its not healthy and I agree with the Prof that we need some of this young talent to stand up and share the load.

I copped a lot of crap at the end of the trade period for our lack of success at the trade table again when another trade period was wasted by not getting some support for Cripps and not properly addressing such a one dimensional division.

As a result our whole years success now falls again on Cripps playing a 3 vote game and also a big chunk of our kids having breakout years. Good luck with that.
 
The kids are unlikely to be ready - some may improve some will stay the same some will go backwards. That the nature of kids. The jury is still well and truly out on blokes that some on here think are a lock to make it. Dow, Obrien, Setterfield, Kennedy, De Koning, Marchbank, Williamson, Cunningham and Fisher all have potential but none are locks IMO. Probably add in a few more to that list if you want to be critical.

Add in blokes like Lang, Polson, O'Dwyer who wont make it you may see why I'm not so positive as many think I should be.   

If Cripps or even Kruezer go down this year we are a bottom 2-3 side. 5 years into a rebuild with the amount of picks we have had and opportunities at the trade table and yet the above sentence is a fact hence why I cant see us taking the big leap that many think will happen.

 
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: townsendcalling on March 02, 2020, 07:22:15 pm
Without Cripps I'm not sure we could win a game against any team including GC.......

Freo in Freo last year wasn’t a bad effort without Cripps, Harry and Charlie after 12 minutes.  Players lift under adversity and we are maturing as a group.  It would be a disaster to lose Cripps but not terminal.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: kruddler on March 02, 2020, 07:48:36 pm
I copped a lot of crap at the end of the trade period for our lack of success at the trade table again when another trade period was wasted by not getting some support for Cripps and not properly addressing such a one dimensional division.

As a result our whole years success now falls again on Cripps playing a 3 vote game and also a big chunk of our kids having breakout years. Good luck with that.

re Help for Cripps.
We DID draft a Cripps clone in Brodie Kemp with our first pick. Yes, he's done a knee, but he'll come good next year.
We also finally get to see what a fit Setterfield can be. He'd just come off a knee injury when we got him. By all reports he is flying on the track. He was a former pick 5, so he can play. Hopefully we will see it.

This time next year we could have a core midfield of Cripps, Walsh, Setterfield with Kemp first change. With the help of older brigade Murphy and Curnow.

He's got help....it just needs to develop a bit more.

Of course we did go pretty hard at Coniglio....and even Papley. We tried.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: kruddler on March 02, 2020, 07:49:27 pm
Freo in Freo last year wasn’t a bad effort without Cripps, Harry and Charlie after 12 minutes.  Players lift under adversity and we are maturing as a group.  It would be a disaster to lose Cripps but not terminal.


People used to say the same about Judd. Losing Judd allowed Cripps to enter centre stage....and he never looked back.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 02, 2020, 08:10:37 pm
I copped a lot of crap at the end of the trade period for our lack of success at the trade table again when another trade period was wasted by not getting some support for Cripps and not properly addressing such a one dimensional division.

As a result our whole years success now falls again on Cripps playing a 3 vote game and also a big chunk of our kids having breakout years. Good luck with that.
 
The kids are unlikely to be ready - some may improve some will stay the same some will go backwards. That the nature of kids. The jury is still well and truly out on blokes that some on here think are a lock to make it. Dow, Obrien, Setterfield, Kennedy, De Koning, Marchbank, Williamson, Cunningham and Fisher all have potential but none are locks IMO. Probably add in a few more to that list if you want to be critical.

Add in blokes like Lang, Polson, O'Dwyer who wont make it you may see why I'm not so positive as many think I should be.   

If Cripps or even Kruezer go down this year we are a bottom 2-3 side. 5 years into a rebuild with the amount of picks we have had and opportunities at the trade table and yet the above sentence is a fact hence why I cant see us taking the big leap that many think will happen.

The main focus of your post is for the here and now (i.e season 2020), and in this respect I generally agree. "Help for cripps" have been a catch cry for a while. The club is no doubt aware of it, but for right now, I think Muprhy and Curnow will have to suffice. Walsh will also help, but he's young and not specially big bodied.

In terms of the team overall, don't underestimate the return of Docherty. He's a jet, and has a great footy brain. It's unrealistic to expect him to start like he finished up in 2017, but if he can stay on the park and regain some touch, it will be a treat watching him as the season progresses.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: flyboy77 on March 02, 2020, 08:24:06 pm
I copped a lot of crap at the end of the trade period for our lack of success at the trade table again when another trade period was wasted by not getting some support for Cripps and not properly addressing such a one dimensional division.

As a result our whole years success now falls again on Cripps playing a 3 vote game and also a big chunk of our kids having breakout years. Good luck with that.
 
The kids are unlikely to be ready - some may improve some will stay the same some will go backwards. That the nature of kids. The jury is still well and truly out on blokes that some on here think are a lock to make it. Dow, Obrien, Setterfield, Kennedy, De Koning, Marchbank, Williamson, Cunningham and Fisher all have potential but none are locks IMO. Probably add in a few more to that list if you want to be critical.

Add in blokes like Lang, Polson, O'Dwyer who wont make it you may see why I'm not so positive as many think I should be.   

If Cripps or even Kruezer go down this year we are a bottom 2-3 side. 5 years into a rebuild with the amount of picks we have had and opportunities at the trade table and yet the above sentence is a fact hence why I cant see us taking the big leap that many think will happen.

No mention of Martin or Newnes?

Both will be regular starting 22.

Fish in season 4 now, Cuners 5. They're ready.

Ditto Setters and Kennedy.

The others have time.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 02, 2020, 08:46:08 pm
No mention of Martin or Newnes?

Both will be regular starting 22.

Fish in season 4 now, Cuners 5. They're ready.

Ditto Setters and Kennedy.

The others have time.

None of those blokes except maybe Kennedy play the role Cripps plays, and I think that was the main point of shawny's post.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on March 02, 2020, 09:12:13 pm
None of those blokes except maybe Kennedy play the role Cripps plays, and I think that was the main point of shawny's post.

Very few other blokes can play the role Cripps plays, and none of them play for Carlton.

However, we have improved and increased our midfield rotations to the point where Cripps has reasonable support if they are all fit ... and given midfield roles.  I'd still like to see one established midfielder added to the mix, particularly with Murphy in the twilight of his career.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: kruddler on March 02, 2020, 09:48:45 pm
None of those blokes except maybe Kennedy play the role Cripps plays, and I think that was the main point of shawny's post.
Setters will.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 03, 2020, 07:26:43 am
Setters will.

Setterfield Will ? Not unless he overcomes his dyslexia first.

At any rate, he seems more like an outside receiver / wingman to me, and the fact that he bears more than a passing resemblance to Ryan Houlihan (playing style and looks) can only be divine providence in my view.

The one who I think could be a real smoky as a top shelf on ball cameo player is McGovern. Despite my jibes that he loves Dave and donuts in equal measure, and despite my unfounded suspicions that he was instrumental in white anting Bolton, he is definitely a good footballer, a smart footballer, and with his size, skill and smarts he could be great in 5 or 10 minute bursts to give Cripps a rest.

As an aside, my secret wish is that Cripps edges closer and closer to Lethal as his career progresses, i.e an on baller who also kicks bags of goals. I don't think his kicking is as good as Lethal's, but he's big and strong, and a very good overhead mark. Go Crippa !!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 03, 2020, 07:32:25 am
Setterfield Will ? Not unless he overcomes his dyslexia first.

At any rate, he seems more like an outside receiver / wingman to me, and the fact that he bears more than a passing resemblance to Ryan Houlihan (playing style and looks) can only be divine providence in my view.

The one who I think could be a real smoky as a top shelf on ball cameo player is McGovern. Despite my jibes that he loves Dave and donuts in equal measure, and despite my unfounded suspicions that he was instrumental in white anting Bolton, he is definitely a good footballer, a smart footballer, and with his size, skill and smarts he could be great in 5 or 10 minute bursts to give Cripps a rest.

As an aside, my secret wish is that Cripps edges closer and closer to Lethal as his career progresses, i.e an on baller who also kicks bags of goals. I don't think his kicking is as good as Lethal's, but he's big and strong, and a very good overhead mark. Go Crippa !!
What about SOS helping Crippa in the guts (in bursts)?
- Good size
- Doesn't take a backward step
- Has worked on his tank.
- Isn't afraid to put his nose over it.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 03, 2020, 07:38:12 am
What about SOS helping Crippa in the guts (in bursts)?
- Good size
- Doesn't take a backward step
- Has worked on his tank.
- Isn't afraid to put his nose over it.

He could be another option, for sure.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on March 03, 2020, 10:00:27 am
What about SOS helping Crippa in the guts (in bursts)?
- Good size
- Doesn't take a backward step
- Has worked on his tank.
- Isn't afraid to put his nose over it.

I would be very surprised if Jack doesn’t continue to spend time in the midfield.  I guess it will depend on what’s happening with the forward line but I expect that a few of our forwards will rotate through the midfield.

Blokes with midfield time include Cripps, Murphy, E Curnow, Walsh, Setterfield, Kennedy, Gibbons, Martin, Fisher, Betts, Cuningham, Dow, O’Brien, Docherty, J Silvagni, Newnes, Simpson, Petrevski-Seton and Polson, and potential midfielders include Stocker, Kemp, Ramsay, Philp, Honey and Cottrell.

While there’s some talent and potential in that lot, there’s not a lot of size, strength or mongrel.  We could be relying on youngsters to provide the midfield grunt to ease the load on Cripps.  Even if they develop quickly, I would like to see another established mid in the mix.

Paul’s suggestion of McGovern providing midfield cameos could work well but, as with Jack, it would depend on what’s happening in the forward line.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Shakin77 on March 03, 2020, 10:22:33 am
Does anyone have an idea of what our CBA involvements looked like?
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 03, 2020, 12:15:19 pm
Setterfield Will ? Not unless he overcomes his dyslexia first.

At any rate, he seems more like an outside receiver / wingman to me, and the fact that he bears more than a passing resemblance to Ryan Houlihan (playing style and looks) can only be divine providence in my view.

The one who I think could be a real smoky as a top shelf on ball cameo player is McGovern. Despite my jibes that he loves Dave and donuts in equal measure, and despite my unfounded suspicions that he was instrumental in white anting Bolton, he is definitely a good footballer, a smart footballer, and with his size, skill and smarts he could be great in 5 or 10 minute bursts to give Cripps a rest.

As an aside, my secret wish is that Cripps edges closer and closer to Lethal as his career progresses, i.e an on baller who also kicks bags of goals. I don't think his kicking is as good as Lethal's, but he's big and strong, and a very good overhead mark. Go Crippa !!

Paul, Take your point about his potential but he averages about 14 games a season over the last three and I doubt he could
stay on the park if we threw him in at the coalface.
I think Jack Silvagni along with Setterfield are the alternatives though I agree the latter seems more comfortable on the wing
and having the odd tagging role.
Kennedy who was recruited as a mid looks better forward and lacks a bit of class vs the top line mids of the good clubs.
Part of my thinking with Cripps needing more cover is I would like to see him spend a fraction more time forward where he can  gets some goals and win us some games.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 03, 2020, 12:31:11 pm
^^ Fair post EB. McGovern's durability is a concern. 13,12, 16 games the last 3 seasons - at least he's moving in the right direction. Would 5,10  minutes on ball every once in a while exact a heavy toll on his body ?
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: LP on March 03, 2020, 01:21:03 pm
Part of my thinking with Cripps needing more cover is I would like to see him spend a fraction more time forward where he can  gets some goals and win us some games.
He's not such a reliable shot at goal though, then again who is!

AFL clubs seem to be a bit slow on the uptake, but I'd bet there are guys like Betts who would be better kicks at goal from 45° than many of our KPFs are from directly in front!

In this regard I'm not opposed to someone like Meat, SoJ or McKay passing from 40m directly in front to Betts 35m out on the 45°. The only risk then is can they hit the target with the pass! :o
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on March 03, 2020, 01:48:38 pm
He's not such a reliable shot at goal though, then again who is!

AFL clubs seem to be a bit slow on the uptake, but I'd bet there are guys like Betts who would be better kicks at goal from 45° than many of our KPFs are from directly in front!

In this regard I'm not opposed to someone like Meat, SoJ or McKay passing from 40m directly in front to Betts 35m out on the 45°. The only risk then is can they hit the target with the pass! :o

Not a problem LP; it’s probably best if Eddie gathers a ground ball while running away from goal and towards the boundary.  He has more chance of slotting it from there than Meat, SoJ, Crippa or McKay have from directly in front  :)
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 03, 2020, 01:56:02 pm
Does anyone have an idea of what our CBA involvements looked like?

Not sure I understand the question - do you mean how much of the TPP we've paid over the last few years ?
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: WASurfer on March 03, 2020, 03:04:53 pm
Late entrance. Saw the game on the weekend and apart from a few encouraging things, our ball use was nothing short of disgraceful. The Jones kick across half back straight to an opponent who ran into an open goal was almost funny but seasoned players like Simpson and Docherty had a few shockers too. Docherty you can cut some slack given first real competitive hit out in 2 years. Polson still doesn't looked to have improved his disposal skills even into his 3rd (or 4th?) season? He took a nice mark and then slaughtered the shot at goal.

Good signs were Martin's first half. He went hard at the ball and the man. Fisher was in an under a lot more than usual and Pittonet did a few okay things in the second half. Walsh just picked up where he finished last season and will be giving Cripps a good run for his money in the B&F this year. He is an incredible work horse in just his second year and put a lot of the more senior blokes to shame last year and in this game too.

Yes our forward line was missing 4 key players in McKay, McGovern, Charlie and Betts....but even they would've struggled give the ball coming in was all over the shop.

First practice game in a long season for sure but we hear all about how well everyone has been going in pre-season training and we turn up and put those skills on display!
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 03, 2020, 03:32:32 pm
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First practice game in a long season for sure but we hear all about how well everyone has been going in pre-season training and we turn up and put those skills on display!

Trump's tweeting style and general schtick was inspired by our pre season reports.

Really it's not just us - all clubs do it, but after reading 1001 super pumped, super awesome and super great PS reports over the years, they've just become like white noise.

Apart from trades, injuries and off field scandals, there's very little in the off season that you can take to the bank. Just wait till R1 IMO.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Tragic on March 03, 2020, 03:42:43 pm
Trump's tweeting style and general schtick was inspired by our pre season reports.

Really it's not just us - all clubs do it, but after reading 1001 super pumped, super awesome and super great PS reports over the years, they've just become like white noise.

Apart from trades, injuries and off field scandals, there's very little in the off season that you can take to the bank. Just wait till R1 IMO.

yep.  the game against Freo was crape, but nothing to get too concerned about.  I hope we put up a good showing against the tigers.  we have to start the season better than we have for the last 5 or so.  gotta have 2 or 3 wins under the belt by round 5.  this is who we play, none of whom will be easy -
tigers
bulldogs
bombers
swans
hawks

please, please, please, win 2 or 3 of these...

Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: PaulP on March 03, 2020, 03:46:57 pm
yep.  the game against Freo was crape, but nothing to get too concerned about.  I hope we put up a good showing against the tigers.  we have to start the season better than we have for the last 5 or so.  gotta have 2 or 3 wins under the belt by round 5.  this is who we play, none of whom will be easy -
tigers
bulldogs
bombers
swans
hawks

please, please, please, win 2 or 3 of these...

Yes, the hit out against the Pies was better, so it's not all bad news. Somewhat tentatively, I'd say we're a chance against the Swans and Bombers (mainly because of their injuries), but I reckon the other 3 will be tough going. 
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: shawny on March 03, 2020, 08:26:28 pm
re Help for Cripps.
We DID draft a Cripps clone in Brodie Kemp with our first pick. Yes, he's done a knee, but he'll come good next year.
We also finally get to see what a fit Setterfield can be. He'd just come off a knee injury when we got him. By all reports he is flying on the track. He was a former pick 5, so he can play. Hopefully we will see it.

This time next year we could have a core midfield of Cripps, Walsh, Setterfield with Kemp first change. With the help of older brigade Murphy and Curnow.

He's got help....it just needs to develop a bit more.

Of course we did go pretty hard at Coniglio....and even Papley. We tried.

Geez we are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel when 'trying' sounds as though its good enough.  Its not for me 

I don't care at all if we tried all I care about is we failed again to deliver. We are likely to stay a bottom team again this year so trying doesn't cut it for me. 

Hope you are that forgiving when Casboult sprays his first shot from 25 metres out. I can assure you he tries too. 
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: shawny on March 03, 2020, 08:32:07 pm
yep.  the game against Freo was crape, but nothing to get too concerned about.  I hope we put up a good showing against the tigers.  we have to start the season better than we have for the last 5 or so.  gotta have 2 or 3 wins under the belt by round 5.  this is who we play, none of whom will be easy -
tigers
bulldogs
bombers
swans
hawks

please, please, please, win 2 or 3 of these...



Things is we are a bottom team and apart from GC I wouldn't go into any game pencilling in a win.

Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 03, 2020, 08:32:25 pm
yep.  the game against Freo was crape, but nothing to get too concerned about.  I hope we put up a good showing against the tigers.  we have to start the season better than we have for the last 5 or so.  gotta have 2 or 3 wins under the belt by round 5.  this is who we play, none of whom will be easy -
tigers
bulldogs
bombers
swans
hawks

please, please, please, win 2 or 3 of these...


Apart from Richmond, we have had wins or played/matched up very well against all those sides. 4-1 I'd be happy with :D
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: kruddler on March 03, 2020, 08:35:31 pm
Geez we are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel when 'trying' sounds as though its good enough.  Its not for me 

I don't care at all if we tried all I care about is we failed again to deliver. We are likely to stay a bottom team again this year so trying doesn't cut it for me. 

Hope you are that forgiving when Casboult sprays his first shot from 25 metres out. I can assure you he tries too. 

I never said it was good enough.

We tried at the trade table. We didn't get what we wanted.
So, we got a Cripps clone in the draft.

You make out like we don't have a ruckman on our entire list, and all we did was recruit 170cm types.

We improved that area.....just not as much as we'd hoped.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Lods on March 03, 2020, 09:39:14 pm
It's a bizarre old world when
-after a promising back-end to last season
- a good hitout where we more than matched Collingwood
-a game far from home with some of our major movers and our key position forwards all on  the sideline
... we're now hopeless and looking to finish in a worse position than last year.

Too much stock is being put on one game.
These games provide an opportunity for fringe players to play themselves into the side.
It also provides an opportunity for some to play themselves out...and that's probably what happened for a few on the weekend
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Macca37 on March 03, 2020, 10:44:39 pm
I don't believe too much stock is being put on one game.  It's been said that we played well against Collingwood, as though that's a balance for the weekend's effort.  Freo's fringe players really showed by their accurate kicking to position just how many fringe players we have who are going up and down on one spot.

Really, they appear to model their kicking skill set on Ed Curnow - if you get the ball often enough odds are you will get lucky and find a team mate.

For years  I've watched Carlton throw away any chance of kicking a winning score, or even getting close to top sides, because players going forward  butcher the ball with monotonous regularity, turn it over, and game over.

I don't know whether it is the players we recruit or coaching staff, but after so many years of mediocrity when can we expect to have players with the necessary foot skills to make a serious attempt at making the top eight?

 
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Tragic on March 04, 2020, 09:28:15 am
let's not write off the season before a game is played...
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: DJC on March 04, 2020, 01:05:32 pm
let's not write off the season before a game is played...

So can we write it off after Round 1?  ;)

I’m not too concerned about the players or their skills.  Our list is better than it was last season, injuries heal and skills execution can be up and down.  What concerned me most about the Freo game was the apparent lack of positive action from the coaching box.  Of course, that could be down to fitness and conditioning restrictions limiting Teague’s capacity to address Freo’s tactics and favourable matchups. 

I reckon the club will be desperate for a better showing next game so that the membership momentum continues.  If so, we may see more proactive coaching and fewer players having their game time limited. 
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Lods on March 04, 2020, 01:18:03 pm
So can we write it off after Round 1?  ;)

I’m not too concerned about the players or their skills.  Our list is better than it was last season, injuries heal and skills execution can be up and down.  What concerned me most about the Freo game was the apparent lack of positive action from the coaching box.  Of course, that could be down to fitness and conditioning restrictions limiting Teague’s capacity to address Freo’s tactics and favourable matchups. 

I reckon the club will be desperate for a better showing next game so that the membership momentum continues.  If so, we may see more proactive coaching and fewer players having their game time limited. 

I guess the unknown here is how Teague is using these games.
It may be that he persists with a match-up or tactic in practice game for a bit longer than he would in a regular season game simply because he wants to see if it turns around or how the individual player responds.
The practice games have no real consequences for doing so.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: capcom on March 04, 2020, 03:12:00 pm
But isn't a practice game the ideal time to use and test tactics?  I sure would have thought so
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Lods on March 04, 2020, 03:58:31 pm
But isn't a practice game the ideal time to use and test tactics?  I sure would have thought so

It's a time for a whole lot of different things.
You try some new roles, tactics and matchups without giving too much away.
The side against Richmond (Rnd 1)will be different to the side that played Freo
I suspect the last practice game before Round 1 will be closest to our starting line up but even then we'll probably try a few different things in terms of game time and tactics.
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: capcom on March 04, 2020, 04:12:41 pm
Stuff giving too much away .... it's a long season.   ;D
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: Lods on March 04, 2020, 04:35:55 pm
 :)

Yep, that's why you don't waste a lot of energy (or worry ) on these games. ;)
Title: Re: Carlton vs Freo in Freo Practice Match
Post by: c4e on March 05, 2020, 03:40:56 pm
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