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We showed plenty. If only someone could teach us how to play the modern game. We're certainly hard enough at it.
It was a game we were good enough to win but couldn't score to save ourselves. We just have no idea how to move a ball. I'm sure our education is the from the old black and white TV era.
Our MC really lacks innovation and flair, players delivered some effort tonight, some poor execution will be the focus of the coaches.
But that poor execution is also the coaches responsibility.
I thought McKay got in the way quite a bit tonight, of the three KPFs I'd give him a rest and leave Charlie and Kerr to work together for a week or two. Harry is physically not much value for his size, he chook ran a bit tonight, and brought defenders to one on one marking contests.
Our MC really lacks innovation and flair, players delivered some effort tonight, some poor execution will be the focus of the coaches.
But that poor execution is also the coaches responsibility.
There's a bit there that coaches responsibility. We literally have no clue how to play modern footy.
We lack polish, smarts and...a Dangerfield. Otherwise we win.
Enjoyed watching that mostly- aside from the constant sooking of the Cats players, but I suppose they have learnt from their coach.
I thought we played really well and there are glimpses of the future looking bright there but we still can’t maintain that fire we show at times.
I thought it was pretty good on a wet night in a hostile environment.
Outclassed in the finish by a very ordinary Geelong outfit, some good signs from the youngsters again but some of our older blokes are dead set hacks.
We'll have a decent midfield in a year or two and our back six isn't a problem but we just can't score.
Outclassed in the finish by a very ordinary Geelong outfit, some good signs from the youngsters again but some of our older blokes are dead set hacks.
We'll have a decent midfield in a year or two and our back six isn't a problem but we just can't score.
Our forwards just get confused at what happens up the ground. Then it comes in so slowly they get lost in the congestion.
It's the type of game where we missed Levi alot taking a contested mark amongst all that congestion that was this game. Too much for the kids at this stage. If we knew how to even remotely run and carrying then it would be less of an issue for the young blokes.
Outclassed in the finish by a very ordinary Geelong outfit, some good signs from the youngsters again but some of our older blokes are dead set hacks.
We'll have a decent midfield in a year or two and our back six isn't a problem but we just can't score.
Yes I think that is the word! They just had more class and poise than us, even though they are not a great team. We had good opportunities to put on scoreboard pressure but failed to do that - too much inexperience and not enough nous coupled with some poor skills execution. Anyway, a gutsy effort in hostile territory which made up a smidge for last week's dismal effort. On to Sydney.
Outclassed in the finish by a very ordinary Geelong outfit, some good signs from the youngsters again but some of our older blokes are dead set hacks.
We'll have a decent midfield in a year or two and our back six isn't a problem but we just can't score.
Yep agree with all this.
As much as I want to get games in kerr and McKay they are both just too raw to play In the same part of the ground.
I mean the oldest key forward we have at the moment is Charlie and he is also still a kid as well.
Missing Casboults presence and someone who can crash a pack and give defenders that float in front of our kids some hurt.
I would dead set give Cripps the rest of the year off on triple pay.
Cripps and Ed Curnow lacked support and we ran out of numbers....the Geelong second tier mids in Duncan and Menegola stepped up at the crunch time and our main man Cripps was exhausted. Bit hard to fathom why Graham didnt play IMO in those conditions.....
We lack two crumbing types who can kick cheap goals, Wright is handy but not quick enough to make something out of not much...
Bit unfair the Cats get players like Stewart and Henry from local leagues for nothing........
That Cunningham goal in the third had me out of my seat, great goal and movement
Thought SPS, Dow and Fisher were great tonight
Overall it was great to watch and we look forward to the return of Murphy, Pickett, Williamson and Docherty to add some pace and class.
I would dead set give Cripps the rest of the year off on triple pay.
This is a worry - Cripps is beginning to look very beat up. As we have oft said - he needs help!
That Cunningham goal in the third had me out of my seat, great goal and movement
Thought SPS, Dow and Fisher were great tonight
Overall it was great to watch and we look forward to the return of Murphy, Pickett, Williamson and Docherty to add some pace and class.
Yes, best I can recall seeing Dow play and SPS has started to look like the goods, improved effort tonight for sure.
Cripps and Ed Curnow lacked support and we ran out of numbers....the Geelong second tier mids in Duncan and Menegola stepped up at the crunch time and our main man Cripps was exhausted. Bit hard to fathom why Graham didnt play IMO in those conditions.....
We lack two crumbing types who can kick cheap goals, Wright is handy but not quick enough to make something out of not much...
Pickett’s injury has really hurt, as has Garlett’s lack of form. I’d consider playing Murphy in that type of role
This is a worry - Cripps is beginning to look very beat up. As we have oft said - he needs help!
The way Bolton keeps talking about Cripps as a warrior makes me a worrier. It's almost as though he reckons Cripps can take unlimited punishment. I hope it's only for show and not what he really thinks.
Pickett’s injury has really hurt, as has Garlett’s lack of form. I’d consider playing Murphy in that type of role
Agree on Pickett, quick, strong body and can take a decent mark...been a big loss......Garlett in those conditions would have struggled....yep worth trying Murphy down forward more if we can get him back on the park.
The way Bolton keeps talking about Cripps as a warrior makes me a worrier. It's almost as though he reckons Cripps can take unlimited punishment. I hope it's only for show and not what he really thinks.
Cripps needs resting next week and then has the bye to rest as well......he is banged up and its not worth over playing him in a season that doesnt mean much now...
Why didn't we shift Thomas forward?
He at least has some class and smarts and our back 6 was holding up well anyhow, Lamb didn't fire a shot.
Why didn't we shift Thomas forward?
He at least has some class and smarts and our back 6 was holding up well anyhow, Lamb didn't fire a shot.
I would have played Jones forward on Stewart who kept intercepting everything.......Harry was next to useless in those conditions and I would have taken him off....
Bolton doesnt react well enough to problem players IMO ...we needed to counter Stewart and create a problem for him....
Dow is showing all the signs of fast becoming a seriously good Midfielder. The kid is tough and very hard at it, love how he moves. Never shys away from copping a hard hit and bounces straight back when he cops one.
Looking forward to watching him and and young Zac for many years.
SPS has learnt how to do the hard stuff. Will also be great to watch him move once we are a better outfit and he has a bit of time and space to work in.
O’Brien out for Jack next week. He looks like he needs some time at a lower level imo.
Also thought Weitering looked a lot more composed and confident tonight - I was pleased to see that and he started to look more like his old self. Plowman also a lot better this week.
I thought Dow, Samo, Fisher, Charlie, and Cunningham (intermittently) were good tonight. Weiters also showing signs of his return. Thank goodness. Great signs from the youngsters overall.
Please can we get completely fit mids into the team. Graham or otherwise. Don't know when Murphy and Kennedy are going to be in the mix but this has to be a priority. Crippa, Kruez and Ed cant hold up the youngsters forever.
Our young forwards missed Levi, and it looked like Wright was playing down the field quite a lot. This left a weakness that even an ordinary backline picked off. It was great to see Kerr slot a beauty from the boundary.
A couple of costly lapses aside, our backs were solid. Best game I've seen Lachie Plowman play. Oshea is a liability too often for mine.
If Menagola doesn't get a holiday I'll be pi#$ed. If Scott or Danger contaminate the process again I'll spew >:(
I'm so sick of the biases we've seen lately.
In All, not a bad performance on an uneven playing field. Can't wait to get some players back. Not until fully recovered though....please
Not a tragic result, but we're desperate for salary cap control and space within it to get the best we can
I think it's a badly flawed arrangement by the AFL, or by us, badly managed
I have a fundamental problem with reward for little return where the bottom teams are compelled to pay a level similar to those at the top
Yes, there's a lot more to do with it than that, but a solid review is warranted
Lost respect for Geelong tonight.
Their bully boy and flopping to the ground at every opportunity tactics were pathetic. They seemed to lose the plot when a team they thought they could physically and mentally push over easily, stood up to their rubbish. Their supporters are a bunch of country bumpkin sooks too, but what do you expect from a bunch who idolise a diving cheat like Selwood.
The way Bolton keeps talking about Cripps as a warrior makes me a worrier. It's almost as though he reckons Cripps can take unlimited punishment. I hope it's only for show and not what he really thinks.
Pauly I have no doubt Crippa is one tough bull who can take it and will endure punishment week after week. We are not playing finals, why flog him? Give him a rest and preserve him I reckon.
I would have played Jones forward on Stewart who kept intercepting everything.......Harry was next to useless in those conditions and I would have taken him off....
Bolton doesnt react well enough to problem players IMO ...we needed to counter Stewart and create a problem for him....
Robbing Peter to pay Paul though EB? I only watched abit of the last qtr but I thought I heard the commentators say Jones played a cracker. Is the correct?
Pauly I have no doubt Crippa is one tough bull who can take it and will endure punishment week after week. We are not playing finals, why flog him? Give him a rest and preserve him I reckon.
I agree. But I wonder what Bolton thinks ?
Best thing about the game was improved form of youngish players I had penciled in to be part of the fabric of the team (who we all thought had stalled and gone backwards this year). We all started to question our recruitment and development again, but these blokes finally started to show why they've been backed in -
Plowman - back to his form of a year ago. has been stinking it up a bit this season, but showed how good he is at halving or winning a tough contest. He's not super quick or skilled, but he is a very good and dour defender, with solid skills. Good to see him playing like that again. Reliability is what we need from him, and is what I thought he had. Keep playing like that Plow.
Weitering - took a few marks, linked up a few times, and kicked well. Most importantly has seemed to have got past the sads and absolute lack of confidence that afflicted him all year (and some). Time in the two's to regain form and confidence seems to work - who woulda thunkit? Still has a lot of improvement in him, which will come when his confidence grows.
Samo - a lot more mongrel in his game this week. He was very timid early in the season, but has been gradually building intensity and effort the last few weeks. Maybe it is simply 2nd year blues for him. It wouldn't have a name if it wasn't such a common problem.
Of the babies still in nappies -
Dow showed how good he will be. His best game by far, and his first game where I thought he deserves a game next week, based on actual impact this week (not just based on green shoots). Not bad for a kid with 9 games to his name. Seems to be getting fitter, and more used to the pace.
Lochie O is a lot lighter and will take a while to come good. Plenty to like about him, just needs to be developed. Don't mind if it's in the 1's or 2's.
Harry is 2 years ahead of those blokes, but has also played less than 10 games. Bit of a headless chook still, and needs to fill out more and use his size to his advantage more. Needs to keep playing 1's now, even through form slumps. Just needs to get more games, and a better understanding of what it takes to succeed in the 1's. No easy outs for him by dropping him to the 2's just yet.
Kerr is showing a little bit for a 2 game KPF. He might be ok, he might not.
Concerns -
Cunningham should be better, and for me is the bloke who would make a huge difference to the team if he stepped up. We are crying out for more midfield depth, and he's got the tools, just can't get involved enough. I'd be hesitant to drop him after a poor first game back, he needs to be challenged to make up for it. His 3rd season on the list - and has a contract till the end of 2019. He has enough time to continue developing, but time is starting to run out...
I agree. But I wonder what Bolton thinks ?
Its Crippa that would need to be reigned in I reckon.
One thing I noticed about our blokes, they hang on to the ball too long and dont go quick by hand or foot with the first option. Then end up getting caught too often. Link players are getting into position but we arent using them.
One thing I noticed about our blokes, they hang on to the ball too long and dont go quick by hand or foot with the first option. Then end up getting caught too often. Link players are getting into position but we arent using them.
a. Lacking experience,
b. lacking synergy,
c. lacking a quick thinking footy brain
Hopefully a or b.
Its Crippa that would need to be reigned in I reckon.
No doubt. No player will ever admit they need a rest, and especially not the acting captain. You need strength from the coaches etc. to tell him to take some time off. Cripps himself will never do it.
Tragic, nice post matey.
a. Lacking experience,
b. lacking synergy,
c. lacking a quick thinking footy brain
Hopefully a or b.
d. Lacking confidence (ie scared to make a mistake)
d. Lacking confidence (ie scared to make a mistake)
Yes, that's also an option, although hopefully related to a, and maybe b.
a. Lacking experience,
b. lacking synergy,
c. lacking a quick thinking footy brain
Hopefully a or b.
You missed a few factors.
D. lack of confidence that you belong makes you hesitant.
E. A combination of all factors resulting in hanging onto the ball too long at times.
There's a lot going on during a footy game. I noticed us hunting the ball carrier often meaning that we left an option down field to apply pressure which actually gave them a free man ahead of the ball which they used frequently.
Samo - a lot more mongrel in his game this week. He was very timid early in the season, but has been gradually building intensity and effort the last few weeks. Maybe it is simply 2nd year blues for him. It wouldn't have a name if it wasn't such a common problem.
Just watched the first qtr, unless Im mistaken, dont think he touched the footy.
One thing I noticed about our blokes, they hang on to the ball too long and dont go quick by hand or foot with the first option. Then end up getting caught too often. Link players are getting into position but we arent using them.
I noticed that too.
I think it's not gelling as a team as yet - they're unsure who to give it off too. Very annoying to watch us work hard to get it, then second guess and get caught.
I noticed that too.
I think it's not gelling as a team as yet - they're unsure who to give it off too. Very annoying to watch us work hard to get it, then second guess and get caught.
Im into the 2nd qtr now, some passages of play by us were brilliant only to be let down by a spilled mark of fumble. Also not converting with easy shots at goal despite dominating I50 count. Shame.
If Menagola doesn't get a holiday I'll be pi#$ed. If Scott or Danger contaminate the process again I'll spew >:(
Not only did he push his head into the ground, repeatedly, he appeared to lay the boot into him as well.
Funny how they chose NOT to replay the 'bad' angle and showed the other side which had 5 blokes blocking view of what occurred.
Darcy Lang is a cat (no pun intended).
Marks to Hawkins in the goal square under little pressure UNFORGIVABLE by the defenders.
I actually thought there was a lot to like about our performance, especially effort/intensity. It was only inexperience and tired young bodies that prevented us winning.
Scott's comment that his defenders effectively helped us with brain fades, was very disingenuous. I thought our pressure forced them into error. If we'd held our marks up forward, and were a little cleaner we would have kicked a lot more goals. Only inexperience prevented us kicking an impressive score... we held Scott's Sooky Sooky La La's to a losing score.
Not sure that match day tactics is BBs forte. Better support?
Wrapped to see Plowman's return to form. Terrific game.
Weitering was solid, looked at home and not out of place like early in the year and last year.
Jones got it right and was really good.
Cuningham is fortunate he was on the end of some good work and kicked a goal. I still have serious doubts about whether this bloke will make it, just goes missing too often and makes dreadful mistakes when there's heat close by.
SPS, after a sluggish start was hard at it and backed himself at times - good to see.
O'Brien needs some VFL time. Future gun, though.
Dow, wow, really good stuff. Wish we could cram 50 games into him.
Crippa and Ed were rippers.
Kerr looks like a natural forward... liked what we saw.
Lamb, McKay and Cuningham were our only passengers, though we did see some glimpses from H... but he just seems clueless at times!
A lot more positives than negatives.
It was a bit of crystal balling last night watching 2 20 yo and a 21 yo with about 50 games between them, be our 3 key targets up forward. The TAC system gives nothing to young forwards in terms of preparing them for the AFL, they have to learn it on the spot, either VFL or AFL. Young forwards at other clubs can be introduced to the big time with a few older heads around them. That’s where we are missing Levi at the moment.
Last night was the first time they have every played senior football together. Compare them to Kennedy, Darling, LeCras or Walker, Jenkins and Lynch etc.
It takes time and it takes patience, but the signs are there. (Who remembers Josh Kennedy’s 22 games with us.....11 goals, dropped marks, at times looked like a real spud!!)
The potential (dirty word) is there !
GEELONG 4.0 5.3 7.5 11.7 (73)
CARLTON 2.1 2.7 4.11 5.15 (45)
GOALS
Geelong: Hawkins 3, Menegola 2, Jones, Ablett, Murdoch, Crameri, Cunico, Dangerfield
Carlton: C.Curnow, McKay, Kerr, Cuningham, Wright
BEST
Geelong: Stewart, Dangerfield, Menegola, Henry, Duncan, Hawkins
Carlton: Cripps, Simpson, Plowman, Kreuzer, E.Curnow
They managed the last 3 goals. :( That really inflates their win.
Lost respect for Geelong tonight.
Their bully boy and flopping to the ground at every opportunity tactics were pathetic. They seemed to lose the plot when a team they thought they could physically and mentally push over easily, stood up to their rubbish. Their supporters are a bunch of country bumpkin sooks too, but what do you expect from a bunch who idolise a diving cheat like Selwood.
They reflect the petulance and sense of entitlement that is found in abundance in their coach.
They reflect the petulance and sense of entitlement that is found in abundance in their coach.
Indeed. Neither of the Scott twins comes across as having any humility. Petulance they both have in spades.
They managed the last 3 goals. :( That really inflates their win.
Cost us 0.1% in percentage too! >:(
Patrick Cripps gives post match interview
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Robbing Peter to pay Paul though EB? I only watched abit of the last qtr but I thought I heard the commentators say Jones played a cracker. Is the correct?
Jones played well GTC but Stewart slaughtered us and was BOG, yep moving Jones would mean weakening the backline but we had a chance to win the game and
you have to take risks and hope fortune favours the brave..
Scott wasnt convinced Geelong had the game won and started Dangerfield at FF in the last quarter even though he had been their best midfielder......he took the risk and it paid off.
Bolton lacks imagination or courage to make moves IMO....Jones has the capability of being a good swingman, we needed to kick goals, take marks down forward/contest better to create more crumbs and get Stewart occupied more.
Harry, Kerr and Charlie was too tall for those conditions and I would have taken Harry and Kerr off and used Charlie, Jones and 4 smaller forwards.....
Not only did he push his head into the ground, repeatedly, he appeared to lay the boot into him as well.
Funny how they chose NOT to replay the 'bad' angle and showed the other side which had 5 blokes blocking view of what occurred.
Indeed. Ruccuito sounded amazed saying how can 4 umpires miss that. It was spotlighted in the vision and highlighted by the expert comments. But no doubt it will just go away as if it never happened. Is Scott on the "Look of the game committee " or whatever the heck it is? Project no. 1 IMO Dog of an act.
Jones played well GTC but Stewart slaughtered us and was BOG, yep moving Jones would mean weakening the backline but we had a chance to win the game and
you have to take risks and hope fortune favours the brave..
Scott wasnt convinced Geelong had the game won and started Dangerfield at FF in the last quarter even though he had been their best midfielder......he took the risk and it paid off.
Bolton lacks imagination or courage to make moves IMO....Jones has the capability of being a good swingman, we needed to kick goals, take marks down forward/contest better to create more crumbs and get Stewart occupied more.
Harry, Kerr and Charlie was too tall for those conditions and I would have taken Harry and Kerr off and used Charlie, Jones and 4 smaller forwards.....
Scott has the luxury of knowing that if Paul goes missing and Peter doesn't match up, then (Hail) Mary will seamlessly take over.
Lost respect for Geelong tonight.
Their bully boy and flopping to the ground at every opportunity tactics were pathetic. They seemed to lose the plot when a team they thought they could physically and mentally push over easily, stood up to their rubbish. Their supporters are a bunch of country bumpkin sooks too, but what do you expect from a bunch who idolise a diving cheat like Selwood.
Spot on son ;)
Ablett looks just like the whinig Scott without hair on field. They act like spoilt brats spitting their dummy every time things don't suit them. It's nauseating to watch. My great respect for Ablett and Danger has been heading south for a while now.
Jones played well GTC but Stewart slaughtered us and was BOG, yep moving Jones would mean weakening the backline but we had a chance to win the game and
you have to take risks and hope fortune favours the brave..
Scott wasnt convinced Geelong had the game won and started Dangerfield at FF in the last quarter even though he had been their best midfielder......he took the risk and it paid off.
Bolton lacks imagination or courage to make moves IMO....Jones has the capability of being a good swingman, we needed to kick goals, take marks down forward/contest better to create more crumbs and get Stewart occupied more.
Harry, Kerr and Charlie was too tall for those conditions and I would have taken Harry and Kerr off and used Charlie, Jones and 4 smaller forwards.....
No offence EB but I’m glad the selection committee didn’t shortlist your application for the coaching position ;)
Taking Jones out of the backline would have let the Geelong forwards off the leash and it wouldn’t have improved our delivery into the forward line. I’m not sure that Jones’ time in defence will have improved his ability to play as a key forward. I suspect that, with Jones forward, we would have had fewer inside 50s and an out of position key forward failing to get to the ball.
McKay, Kerr and Curnow weren’t too tall for the conditions, they were too inexperienced. Swapping two of them for Jones wouldn’t have made much difference ... and who would we have played in defence, Kerr perhaps?
Not only did he push his head into the ground, repeatedly, he appeared to lay the boot into him as well.
Funny how they chose NOT to replay the 'bad' angle and showed the other side which had 5 blokes blocking view of what occurred.
Yes, that’s how I saw it >:( I bet he won’t be reported :-\
I actually thought there was a lot to like about our performance, especially effort/intensity. It was only inexperience and tired young bodies that prevented us winning.
Scott's comment that his defenders effectively helped us with brain fades, was very disingenuous. I thought our pressure forced them into error. If we'd held our marks up forward, and were a little cleaner we would have kicked a lot more goals. Only inexperience prevented us kicking an impressive score... we held Scott's Sooky Sooky La La's to a losing score.
Not sure that match day tactics is BBs forte. Better support?
Wrapped to see Plowman's return to form. Terrific game.
Weitering was solid, looked at home and not out of place like early in the year and last year.
Jones got it right and was really good.
Cuningham is fortunate he was on the end of some good work and kicked a goal. I still have serious doubts about whether this bloke will make it, just goes missing too often and makes dreadful mistakes when there's heat close by.
SPS, after a sluggish start was hard at it and backed himself at times - good to see.
O'Brien needs some VFL time. Future gun, though.
Dow, wow, really good stuff. Wish we could cram 50 games into him.
Crippa and Ed were rippers.
Kerr looks like a natural forward... liked what we saw.
Lamb, McKay and Cuningham were our only passengers, though we did see some glimpses from H... but he just seems clueless at times!
A lot more positives than negatives.
Tough life learning to be a key forward in our forward line. Harry's looking at having 40ish goals in his first 20 games so it's nice and encouraging that he still has plenty to learn still too.
Jones played well GTC but Stewart slaughtered us and was BOG, yep moving Jones would mean weakening the backline but we had a chance to win the game and
you have to take risks and hope fortune favours the brave..
Scott wasnt convinced Geelong had the game won and started Dangerfield at FF in the last quarter even though he had been their best midfielder......he took the risk and it paid off.
Bolton lacks imagination or courage to make moves IMO....Jones has the capability of being a good swingman, we needed to kick goals, take marks down forward/contest better to create more crumbs and get Stewart occupied more.
Harry, Kerr and Charlie was too tall for those conditions and I would have taken Harry and Kerr off and used Charlie, Jones and 4 smaller forwards.....
EB I think BB is going very conservatively/cautiously for now and won't be taking too many risks in order to try to win games. His priorities lie with player development and game plan imo and so will be very much sticking to the KISS principle. Winning I think in his book is a "nice to have" within this overall framework but he is tring to get the idea of structure and role hammered into the heads of players first and foremost. We'll see eventually I guess.
When Ablett was given a free for tackling Cripps, 11:42s mark of the 3rd Qtr. Cripps had both hands free holding the ball and Ablett was awarded the free kick within 2s, probably the umpire had to make up his mind in less than 1s given the time it takes for the umpire to decide then blow the whistle.
That is the definition of bullcrap!
Currently there are 6 teams that have a significant home ground advantage by creating a cauldron, hostile type atmosphere. WCE, Freo, Port, Adelaide, Sydney and possibly Brisbane (don’t count GWS and Suns). The disadvantage for them is the travel that they are committed to, every 2nd week.
How would it be if a team had the cauldron.....but didn’t have excess interstate travel??? Enter GEELONG.
Significant, significant advantage has been handed to the pussies!!
Currently there are 6 teams that have a significant home ground advantage by creating a cauldron, hostile type atmosphere. WCE, Freo, Port, Adelaide, Sydney and possibly Brisbane (don’t count GWS and Suns). The disadvantage for them is the travel that they are committed to, every 2nd week.
How would it be if a team had the cauldron.....but didn’t have excess interstate travel??? Enter GEELONG.
Significant, significant advantage has been handed to the pussies!!
And one not available to any other Victorian club. Seriously, we should not play there again. The idea of having such a small capacity, with minimal Carltn access, is a serious joke and an insult to us.
No offence EB but I’m glad the selection committee didn’t shortlist your application for the coaching position ;)
Taking Jones out of the backline would have let the Geelong forwards off the leash and it wouldn’t have improved our delivery into the forward line. I’m not sure that Jones’ time in defence will have improved his ability to play as a key forward. I suspect that, with Jones forward, we would have had fewer inside 50s and an out of position key forward failing to get to the ball.
McKay, Kerr and Curnow weren’t too tall for the conditions, they were too inexperienced. Swapping two of them for Jones wouldn’t have made much difference ... and who would we have played in defence, Kerr perhaps?
No Offence taken DJ....Geelong played one tall forward in Hawkins and one medium tall in Crameri, and I reckon they know the conditions at Pussy Park better than me, you or Bolton.
We were too top heavy forward and lacked mobility with the ball being on the ground more.....
Bolton is a poor tactician, when the opposition Fullback is the BOG with 28 disposals and 12 marks then you and your team are doing something wrong and need to change things up...
I would have tried something different for the win rather than leaving Jones down back and being happy with a respectable loss...
But if you take Jones out of defense and put him forward we have to put a forward into defense, I can't see Kerr or McKay playing down there at this stage of their careers, likely disaster
But if you take Jones out of defense and put him forward we have to put a forward into defense, I can't see Kerr or McKay playing down there at this stage of their careers, likely disaster
We had Rowe, Weitering and OShea as taller types plus Plowman, we didnt need another tall down back....they only had Hawkins and the medium sized Crameri, Stanley rucked and the young lad who broke his ankle left them short. I would have benched McKay and Kerr.....
a. Lacking experience,
b. lacking synergy,
c. lacking a quick thinking footy brain
Hopefully a or b.
Missing the obvious one - poor or confusing coaching instructions and/or a big divergence between the player's natural instincts and the instructions from ykw.
Deathly silence on Menegola kicking Rowe in the head!
Deathly silence on Menegola kicking Rowe in the head!
Here it is. Someone email to afl hq.
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1000684687453376513 (https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1000684687453376513)
No mistaking what went down....id Ed gets a weeks for that pathetic contact, this guy gets 3 weeks.
We had Rowe, Weitering and OShea as taller types plus Plowman, we didnt need another tall down back....they only had Hawkins and the medium sized Crameri, Stanley rucked and the young lad who broke his ankle left them short. I would have benched McKay and Kerr.....
Yet their talls won the game in marking contests.
The evidence might suggest that you have got this one a little wrong.
FWIW I thought Stewart was not very good even though he got a lot of the ball. Tuohy sliced us up to setup the first goal of the final term to Danger. Had me wondering where Jed Lamb went although some players actually play better when targeted with a bit of niggle.
Here it is. Someone email to afl hq.
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1000684687453376513 (https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1000684687453376513)
No mistaking what went down....id Ed gets a weeks for that pathetic contact, this guy gets 3 weeks.
That is a video of Menegola kicking the goal of the year. ;D
Yet their talls won the game in marking contests.
The evidence might suggest that you have got this one a little wrong.
Are you basing this on stats?
There were only 19 contested marks for the whole game, 12/7 split, only 10 marks inside F50 for the whole game, they took 8 of them which is not much at all.
Geelong average 10/11 marks inside 50 per game, we average 8 per game.
The marking targets on both sides had very poor nights which suggests defenders were on top, watching the game I'd have to say disposal from both teams was very bad.
Yet their talls won the game in marking contests.
The evidence might suggest that you have got this one a little wrong.
FWIW I thought Stewart was not very good even though he got a lot of the ball. Tuohy sliced us up to setup the first goal of the final term to Danger. Had me wondering where Jed Lamb went although some players actually play better when targeted with a bit of niggle.
Stewart was no good?.....???? I must have watched a different game....... :o
Their talls won them the game?...they had Stanley who was beaten by Kruezer, a semi tall in Crameri who did nothing and I''l give you a tick for Hawkins who kicked 3 goals...and their other tall got a broken ankle or close to it....
I thought their mids with Dangerfield, Duncan, Menegola won them the game along with Stewart and Henry intercepting most of our entries......we locked up Selwood and Ablett ok but weight of numbers won in the end even though a banged up Cripps fought on bravely.....
That is a video of Menegola kicking the goal of the year. ;D
It's further down the page.
That vision has also been heavily cropped, Foxtel showed a full screen view of Menegola slamming Rowe's head into the ground, then kicking Rowe's head with his shin as he stood up.
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The marking targets on both sides had very poor nights which suggests defenders were on top, watching the game I'd have to say disposal from both teams was very bad.
Chris Scott said he thought it was a horrible game.
Very dewy....handling and marking was probably a bit affected.
But Scott will probably talk about us dragging Geelong down to "our" level
Chris Scott said he thought it was a horrible game.
Geelong game has changed this year. They are lower scoring and alot more in-close and defensive, the way footy is played in September compared to the rest of the year. The game the other night was essentially no different to the Qualifying Final last year when the score was 3 goals all late in the 3rd qtr. It's the way finals footy is these days.
Are you basing this on stats?
There were only 19 contested marks for the whole game, 12/7 split, only 10 marks inside F50 for the whole game, they took 8 of them which is not much at all.
Geelong average 10/11 marks inside 50 per game, we average 8 per game.
The marking targets on both sides had very poor nights which suggests defenders were on top, watching the game I'd have to say disposal from both teams was very bad.
Im basing this on Hawkins taking marks on the goal line whilst our players had taken it for granted the mark would go sailing through.
Stewart was no good?.....???? I must have watched a different game....... :o
Their talls won them the game?...they had Stanley who was beaten by Kruezer, a semi tall in Crameri who did nothing and I''l give you a tick for Hawkins who kicked 3 goals...and their other tall got a broken ankle or close to it....
I thought their mids with Dangerfield, Duncan, Menegola won them the game along with Stewart and Henry intercepting most of our entries......we locked up Selwood and Ablett ok but weight of numbers won in the end even though a banged up Cripps fought on bravely.....
Stewart turned it over a lot.
The commentary team did acknowledge he got a lot of ball, but he didn't set them up from half back, and quite a few of his kicks resulted in another contest.
Their mids did turn the game, but Danger did it when he drifted forward. Hawkins stitched us up quite a bit and if not for the umpires paying quite a few blocks against him, and his teammates he would have kicked a lot more.
Im basing this on Hawkins taking marks on the goal line whilst our players had taken it for granted the mark would go sailing through.
Stewart turned it over a lot.
The commentary team did acknowledge he got a lot of ball, but he didn't set them up from half back, and quite a few of his kicks resulted in another contest.
Their mids did turn the game, but Danger did it when he drifted forward. Hawkins stitched us up quite a bit and if not for the umpires paying quite a few blocks against him, and his teammates he would have kicked a lot more.
Stewart went at 78.6% DE, he had 6 x 1%ers and 9 x defensive rebounds.....you add 28 possies and 12 marks and thats a fair game IMO....
Touhy went at around 75% DE and had 3 defensive rebounds.....
Duncan really hurt us with 27 possies at 85%....
I don't know what to tell you EB.
All I can comment on, is what I saw, and Danger's goal in the final term pretty much sealed the win. Stewart may have taken an intercept mark, but he handballed it to Tuohy on half back. He turned into the corridor, hit up a short 30 metre target (might have been Parfitt) roughly middle of centre square, and then followed up that kick with a handball receive and delivered it to Dangerfield to advantage in front from about 40 metres, with only Lachie Plowman for company and one of the best rebound's off half backs I saw (mind you Simpson did this quite a bit for us on Saturday night, and it looked brilliant).
Our talls were busy elsewhere which leads me to believe that we had setup about right. What will really start to worry you, is where had our midfield gone for that rebound, because I saw the middle of the ground vacant. This was the first goal of the final quarter FWIW.
Interesting, enough, I just checked the heat maps.
Stewart and Henry look to have played kick to kick in their defensive fifty a bit. What that means is that our forwards weren't doing enough to kill forward fifty contests, or our delivery into forward fifty was wayward. Probably both fair assesments of how we go. Our delivery varies from crap to appalling with a sprinkling of good here and there, and was probably where it all fell over for us at the end of the day.
There it is;
Contact between the Geelong Cats’ Sam Menegola and Carlton’s Sam Rowe from the second quarter of Saturday’s match was assessed. Menegola takes Rowe to ground in a tackle. Rowe has hold of Menegola’s arm as the Geelong player tries to get up, to return to play. Menegola seeks to free himself and in getting to his feet, contact is primarily made between the Geelong player’s shin and Rowe’s back. It was the view of the Match Review Officer the action did not constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken.
It was all Sam Rowe's fault.
Apparently he was holding Menegola's arm as Menegola pushed his head into the dirt using two hands, then due to a freak of anatomy Rowe's back, which resides on his head, got in the way of Menegola's leg as he tried to break free from Rowe who was lying on the ground holding Menegola's arm!
Yeah, it's a level playing field!
I wonder if the AFL will appeal that! ::)
In other news;
- Sam Rowe was fined $1000 for preventing a Handbagger from doing whatever they liked! Gerard Whateley was asked to comment but he was late for a coffee with Dangerfield to discuss GAFLPA tactics to prevent Carlton receiving a compensation pick for the possible departure of Marc Murphy to the Cats!
- Chris Scott's jowl retracted after the MRP report was released freeing thousands of Western District farmers who had been trapped since before the Curnow tribunal appeal.
This is the by-line that I saw - "Geelong's Sam Menegola has been directed straight to the tribunal for his incident with Carlton's Sam Rowe." The article got the reporting right, however.
It certainly looked bad on the night - I had a quick look to find footage, but couldn't find any. Be interested to see what we all missed on the night (Rowe holding arm, Shin making contact with Rowe's back etc)
Can we appeal it?
This is the by-line that I saw - "Geelong's Sam Menegola has been directed straight to the tribunal for his incident with Carlton's Sam Rowe." The article got the reporting right, however.
It certainly looked bad on the night - I had a quick look to find footage, but couldn't find any. Be interested to see what we all missed on the night (Rowe holding arm, Shin making contact with Rowe's back etc)
Can we appeal it?
I think clubs tend to appeal only to get their own player off a suspension. There isn't (at least IMO), any practical benefit to us if Menegola gets rubbed out next week, the following week etc.
Fans not happy :
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/footy-fans-slam-mro-decision-clear-sam-menegola-065510287.html
I don't usually get too involved in these MRP decisions, but that one is simply poor, anti Carlton bias or not.
Christian is either having real teething issues, or he is simply not up to the task.
I don't usually get too involved in these MRP decisions, but that one is simply poor, anti Carlton bias or not.
Christian is either having real teething issues, or he is simply not up to the task.
Christian has never really impressed me - always thought he was a d/h on Ch10.
Rowey got straight up - insufficient force. Never mind bringing the game into disrepute with a bloke kneeing and kicking (in the head) a pinned/prostrate opponent.
Christian has never really impressed me - always thought he was a d/h on Ch10.
He is a dill, but the function should not sit with one person who thinks it is sensible to comment via media. AFL thinks it can solve all issues via media management.
Rowey got straight up - insufficient force. Never mind bringing the game into disrepute with a bloke kneeing and kicking (in the head) a pinned/prostrate opponent.
If the AFL can suspend people for touching an umpire in such a manner that they are not threatened by it, remember it or even feel it because it looks bad for the game and they don't want the kiddies to emulate it....fair enough.
But then a week later, don't let someone off for ramming someone elses head into the ground and kicking him in the back of the head and say its insufficient force. What, the kiddies are going to try and emulate that? Or is it OK if they wanna kick someone in the back of the head?
Be consistent!
If the AFL can suspend people for touching an umpire in such a manner that they are not threatened by it, remember it or even feel it because it looks bad for the game and they don't want the kiddies to emulate it....fair enough.
But then a week later, don't let someone off for ramming someone elses head into the ground and kicking him in the back of the head and say its insufficient force. What, the kiddies are going to try and emulate that? Or is it OK if they wanna kick someone in the back of the head?
Be consistent!
:)) :)) :)) good one, Kruds. You could make money out of humour like that... ;D ;D
Interesting coaches votes this week....
GEELONG v CARLTON
8 Patrick Cripps (Carl)
8 Tom Stewart (Geel)
5 Mitch Duncan (Geel)
3 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
2 Jack Henry (Geel)
2 Lachie Plowman (Carl)
1 Ed Curnow (Carl)
1 Kade Simpson (Carl)
By deduction its clear that 1 coach gave Mitch Duncan BOG and the other coach didn't think he was worthy of a vote.
???
Interesting coaches votes this week....
GEELONG v CARLTON
8 Patrick Cripps (Carl)
8 Tom Stewart (Geel)
5 Mitch Duncan (Geel)
3 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
2 Jack Henry (Geel)
2 Lachie Plowman (Carl)
1 Ed Curnow (Carl)
1 Kade Simpson (Carl)
By deduction its clear that 1 coach gave Mitch Duncan BOG and the other coach didn't think he was worthy of a vote.
???
27 Possies at 85% DE is a fair nights work IMO, he would have been my best player after Cripps/Stewart........one coach has no idea IMO....
Seems odd doesn't it? I was at the game and I wouldn't have had Duncan in the best 3 players
Contact between the Geelong Cats’ Sam Menegola and Carlton’s Sam Rowe from the second quarter of Saturday’s match was assessed. Menegola takes Rowe to ground in a tackle. Rowe has hold of Menegola’s arm as the Geelong player tries to get up, to return to play. Menegola seeks to free himself and in getting to his feet, contact is primarily made between the Geelong player’s shin and Rowe’s back. It was the view of the Match Review Officer the action did not constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken.
Christian must have been watching a different game or another incident and/or he needs an urgent appointment at Spec Savers.
I can live with Menegola forcing Sam's face into the turf - that happens several times in most games - but sinking the slipper into his head, regardless of the amount of force, should be punished.
Christian must have been watching a different game or another incident and/or he needs an urgent appointment at Spec Savers.
I can live with Menegola forcing Sam's face into the turf - that happens several times in most games - but sinking the slipper into his head, regardless of the amount of force, should be punished.
Christian submits his finding to Steven Hocking who has to approve the findings.
Christian submits his finding to Steven Hocking who has to approve the findings.
Who no doubt reverts to Gil....