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Title: Fixture 2024
Post by: Lods on November 15, 2023, 07:58:39 am
Opening Round

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1465370?fbclid=IwAR03vnyUu26N2C8SAdHMIwI62DH7KLoDR2Fh0kkDFLjNkKHx-WTlYJPc-Bc
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: madbluboy on November 15, 2023, 08:02:35 am
Toughest game in football first up.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: pinot on November 15, 2023, 01:30:25 pm
Don't mind it - our fixture is going to be tougher this coming season than last season so lets get stuck into it.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Thryleon on November 15, 2023, 03:27:00 pm
Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime.  #FLAGGERS2024
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: DJC on November 15, 2023, 03:28:35 pm
I could grumble about the AFL messing around with the fixture but what's the point?  We still have the first match of Round 1, it's just not the season opener anymore  ::)

We will have a tougher fixture next season but, if I had a choice about when to play Brisbane away, the first game is probably our best opportunity to get a win.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Gointocarlton on November 15, 2023, 09:04:27 pm
Farken joke! We are one the biggest clubs in the land with almost 100K members and we have to go to crapsville to play the Bears rnd one. I couldn't give a toss about opening the season, but to schedule us interstate rnd one is a slap in the face to us members.
Here's a thought for rnd 1:
Thurs Night Bris v GC
Frid Night Syd v GWS
Sat Day early WC v Freo  early arvo Melb time Coll v Ess
Sat Night Carl v Rich
Sun Day PA v Ade, StKilda v Melb
Sun Night Geel v Haw
Monday Night NM v Foots
Rotate the opener around every year, everyplays at home in front of their fans.
Its not that farken hard AFL you imbeciles.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Lods on November 15, 2023, 10:23:51 pm
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Carlton will head to Brisbane in 2024’s Opening Round, as confirmed by the AFL this morning.

In a league first, Carlton will be one of four Victorian teams heading to the northern states for Opening Round, with the Blues’ preliminary final rematch against the Lions to take place on Friday 8 March from 6:50pm local time (7:50pm AEDT).

It has also been confirmed that the Blues will kick off proceedings in Melbourne the following week in Round 1 when hosting the traditional clash with the Tigers.
::)  :-\  ???
When is an 'opening' round not round 1 ?
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: DJC on November 15, 2023, 10:45:43 pm
Farken joke! We are one the biggest clubs in the land with almost 100K members and we have to go to crapsville to play the Bears rnd one. I couldn't give a toss about opening the season, but to schedule us interstate rnd one is a slap in the face to us members.
Here's a thought for rnd 1:
Thurs Night Bris v GC
Frid Night Syd v GWS
Sat Day early WC v Freo  early arvo Melb time Coll v Ess
Sat Night Carl v Rich
Sun Day PA v Ade, StKilda v Melb
Sun Night Geel v Haw
Monday Night NM v Foots
Rotate the opener around every year, everyplays at home in front of their fans.
Its not that farken hard AFL you imbeciles.

I was thinking along the same lines G2C, every team playing in their home state would be a great way to start the season.

We don’t need gimmicks to boost crowds or TV audiences, just evenly matched teams, consistent umpiring and knowledgeable, calm commentators.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Gointocarlton on November 16, 2023, 07:33:09 am
I was thinking along the same lines G2C, every team playing in their home state would be a great way to start the season.

We don’t need gimmicks to boost crowds or TV audiences, just evenly matched teams, consistent umpiring and knowledgeable, calm commentators.
its utter garbage mate. Lets be clear, Im all for “anyone, anytime, anywhere”but round 1 is all about fans wanting their game back after 6mnths of trading, drafting and preseasons. I just forked out over 3k for membership and cant
Use it for the first game (without forking out another 2 to 3k for tickets,flights and accom). Absolutely atrocious scheduling by the AFL.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Lods on November 16, 2023, 08:11:55 am
its utter garbage mate. Lets be clear, Im all for “anyone, anytime, anywhere”but round 1 is all about fans wanting their game back after 6mnths of trading, drafting and preseasons. I just forked out over 3k for membership and cant
Use it for the first game (without forking out another 2 to 3k for tickets,flights and accom). Absolutely atrocious scheduling by the AFL.

I love your scheduling GIC.
It makes great sense...

But just to play devil's advocate for a bit....

Any Carlton member/ supporter would be upset, especially if they had forked out a substantial amount in terms of money.
Queensland is arguably the  major battleground for the AFL at present.
So if it comes down to what's best for the Queensland supporter as opposed to the Victorian supporter then it's probably going to favour the northern supporter.

So what's the best way to make them happy.
A home ground, opening match against a major club.
It was basically us or Collingwood.
The scheduling was all over the QLD news services yesterday
Brisbane v Carlton at home...a great start to the season.
Great publicity.
As it is, if anyone has attended a Carlton v Brisbane or GC game in Qld they'd know there is huge local Carlton support there anyway.

The Carlton supporter has suffered for three reasons....
-Our 2023 success
-We showed that we're prepared to travel.
-Strong Carlton support in S.E. Queensland.

It may not be fair to the Carlton folk, but it makes sense from an AFL expansion point of view.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Baggers on November 16, 2023, 08:21:31 am
Farken joke! We are one the biggest clubs in the land with almost 100K members and we have to go to crapsville to play the Bears rnd one. I couldn't give a toss about opening the season, but to schedule us interstate rnd one is a slap in the face to us members.
Here's a thought for rnd 1:
Thurs Night Bris v GC
Frid Night Syd v GWS
Sat Day early WC v Freo  early arvo Melb time Coll v Ess
Sat Night Carl v Rich
Sun Day PA v Ade, StKilda v Melb
Sun Night Geel v Haw
Monday Night NM v Foots
Rotate the opener around every year, everyplays at home in front of their fans.
Its not that farken hard AFL you imbeciles.

Great schedule, GTC old son, especially for those who attend games. However... the AFL has a major consideration - TV / streaming audience numbers (ratings) and giving advertisers bang for their buck.

Your Thur and Fri schedule would be terrific for local fans but the TV / streaming audience nationally (particularly Vic, SA & WA) would be a few goats, the odd ferret and easily amused crickets - a ratings disaster.

Unfortunately, the commercial reality is TV / streaming ratings are king for the AFL.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Lods on November 16, 2023, 08:40:22 am
Great schedule, GTC old son, especially for those who attend games. However... the AFL has a major consideration - TV / streaming audience numbers (ratings) and giving advertisers bang for their buck.

Your Thur and Fri schedule would be terrific for local fans but the TV / streaming audience nationally (particularly Vic, SA & WA) would be a few goats, the odd ferret and easily amused crickets - a ratings disaster.

Unfortunately, the commercial reality is TV / streaming ratings are king for the AFL.

And that may have  factored into the Carlton v Brisbane game.
Some will make the trip
Most won't...and won't that be a huge Carlton viewing audience for the opening game.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: pinot on November 16, 2023, 09:24:45 am
Getting the toughest game of football out of the way round 1 is not a bad thing from a team point of view.

Especially if we win it.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Blue Moon on November 16, 2023, 09:53:14 am
The AFL is all about marketing and not about the fans, it is not about the football and certainly not about the players. The Club's attitude of just turning up and playing whoever and  wherever is the right one because there is no point complaining. The AFL doesn't care.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: kruddler on November 16, 2023, 02:54:11 pm
::)  :-\  ???
When is an 'opening' round not round 1 ?

There was a funny video doing the rounds about this.....trying to find it, but its so hard with the plethora of 'comedians' out there today on social media.

https://www.tiktok.com/@typemedia/video/7301502485062094082
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: kruddler on November 16, 2023, 04:00:32 pm
OK so fixture has been revealed....albeit R15 onwards don't have time/date yet.

We play...
Round 0 - first match vs Lions
Round 1 - 'traditional opener' vs Tigers Thurs
Round 2 - bye
Round 3 - Good Friday vs Kangas
Round 4 - Gather round vs Freo @ Adelaide
*Blockbuster fatigue?*
Round 13 - Essendon - Kings b'day eve (sunday night)
Round 14 - bye

We play these teams twice...
Cats
Pies
Giants
Power
Kangas
Tigers

We play interstate...
R0 - brisbane (lions)
R2 - adelaide (vs freo)
R10 - Sydney (swans)
R12 - Adelaide (power)
R17 - Sydney (giants)
R23 - Perth (eagles)

We play 9/14 games on Thursday, Friday or Sun nights.
We play 4 saturdays in a row R4 - R7
Thurs - 3
Fri - 5
Sat - 5
Sat night - 0
Sun - 0
Sun night - 1

Welcome to prime time.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1466084/full-fixture-announced-blues-to-bring-the-noise-in-2024
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Lods on November 16, 2023, 04:06:06 pm
It's the price we pay for being good again ;D
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: pinot on November 16, 2023, 04:43:26 pm
Awesome fixture - would have like a couple of Saturday night games we like going to the pub after the footy on Friday nights etc.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: LoveNavy on November 16, 2023, 10:31:23 pm
::)  :-\  ???
When is an 'opening' round not round 1 ?

I give in 😵‍💫

Opening: coming at the beginning of something; initial.

More absolute amateur nonsensical garbage from an organisation that's lost.
Lost: unable to find one's way; not knowing one's whereabouts.
"Help! We're lost!"

Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: LP on November 17, 2023, 01:13:15 pm
Let's face it, this is probably about the AFL throwing rocks at the NRL and Soccer more than anything to do with crowds or members. More of a strategic move in response to potential threatening opponents than anything else.

Fans can speculate, but we only hear about this stuff after decisions are made, we aren't privy to the commercial / corporate intelligence or sponsor feedback that underwrites these decisions.

The more "out of the blue" an action is, the less it has to do with you!
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Lods on November 17, 2023, 01:40:33 pm
Let's face it, this is probably about the AFL throwing rocks at the NRL and Soccer more than anything to do with crowds or members. More of a strategic move in response to potential threatening opponents than anything else.

Fans can speculate, but we only hear about this stuff after decisions are made, we aren't privy to the commercial / corporate intelligence or sponsor feedback that underwrites these decisions.

The more "out of the blue" an action is, the less it has to do with you!

There's absolutley no doubt that there is a little more to the reasoning behind these 'opening round' shenanigans.

https://www.nrl.com/tickets/vegas/

NRL starts with a gimic, so a few days later we try something different as well.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Thryleon on November 17, 2023, 02:25:17 pm
There's absolutley no doubt that there is a little more to the reasoning behind these 'opening round' shenanigans.

https://www.nrl.com/tickets/vegas/

NRL starts with a gimic, so a few days later we try something different as well.

What a better way to do it than to steal their thunder back home when they are over in Vegas showing off Rugby. 
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: DJC on November 17, 2023, 02:45:16 pm
I give in 😵‍💫

Opening: coming at the beginning of something; initial.

More absolute amateur nonsensical garbage from an organisation that's lost.
Lost: unable to find one's way; not knowing one's whereabouts.
"Help! We're lost!"

I initially thought that “gather round” was an unsustainable gimmick but it was hugely successful - apart from some of the matchups.  Next season’s version looks like being even more successful.

Rather than farting around with opening and first rounds, the AFL could schedule gather round equivalents in the expansion States.

Apart from screwing with our first round opener and making it difficult for me to attend games, it’s not a bad fixture for us.  Prime time games will make our sponsors happy and only playing two final four teams twice should give us a bit of a leg up. 
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: pinot on November 17, 2023, 03:43:12 pm
Opens the door for more football to be played in future.

Players in Europe play 40 games per year and their off season is two months.
We have a 22 game competition with five month off season (too long off season shouldn't be longer than three months).

There is no doubt in my mind that if I was a broadcaster I would demand more content and bang for my buck.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: PaulP on November 17, 2023, 03:49:13 pm
Opens the door for more football to be played in future.

Players in Europe play 40 games per year and their off season is two months.
We have a 22 game competition with five month off season (too long off season shouldn't be longer than three months).

There is no doubt in my mind that if I was a broadcaster I would demand more content and bang for my buck.

I think the intensity of AFL football is a good deal higher than soccer. I think the season is too long, given the list sizes. I would be either increasing playing lists or cutting the number of games. Based on current list sizes, I would have teams play each other once only, then top four plays finals. Less injuries, less wear and tear, players are fresher for longer, they have longer careers, and the end result is better quality football IMO. I've floated this idea in the past, and it's been about as popular as a severe dose of the clap. Still, i remain undaunted.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: kruddler on November 17, 2023, 03:54:05 pm
NFL is about the closest thing to the wear and tear of the AFL IMO, albeit for slightly different reasons.

They have just 'expanded' to a 17 game season and have 32 teams. 4 weeks of finals.
They are well aware of the physical demands of the game and the toll it takes on their players.

I can't see us getting too many more games out of a season than what we already have.

Increase the teams, and decrease the season. You get the same amount of games for TV but look after the players for longer.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: pinot on November 17, 2023, 04:12:06 pm
I think the intensity of AFL football is a good deal higher than soccer. I think the season is too long, given the list sizes. I would be either increasing playing lists or cutting the number of games. Being on current list sizes, I would have teams play each other once only, then top four plays finals. Less injuries, less wear and tear, players are fresher for longer, they have longer careers, and the end result is better quality football IMO. I've floated this idea in the past, and it's been about as popular as a severe dose of the clap. Still, i remain undaunted.

Yes but the players are also built differently.

Pre season should be December to February imo.. main season should be stretched out to November with more byes/breaks sometimes stretching out two weeks like in soccer with international matches.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Lods on November 17, 2023, 06:18:38 pm
I think the intensity of AFL football is a good deal higher than soccer. I think the season is too long, given the list sizes. I would be either increasing playing lists or cutting the number of games. Being on current list sizes, I would have teams play each other once only, then top four plays finals. Less injuries, less wear and tear, players are fresher for longer, they have longer careers, and the end result is better quality football IMO. I've floated this idea in the past, and it's been about as popular as a severe dose of the clap. Still, i remain undaunted.

My ideal is to play every other side twice.
That's not going to happen with 18-20 sides.
Playing every other side once isn't a bad option to my mind...but the fly in the ointment would be broadcasters and sponsors who wouldn't wear a reduced season
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: PaulP on November 17, 2023, 06:24:42 pm
My ideal is to play every other side twice.
That's not going to happen with 18-20 sides.
Playing every other side once isn't a bad option to my mind...but the fly in the ointment would be broadcasters and sponsors who wouldn't wear a reduced season

Yes, no doubt that's right. I have the Jerry Maguire approach, which will never fly in a commercial environment. Too many suits and corporate types with their snouts in the trough, who will never accept a reduced pay day.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Lods on November 17, 2023, 07:40:53 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/afl/the-2024-afl-fixture-is-a-business-move-it-s-just-not-the-right-one/ar-AA1jWh4w?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ASTS&cvid=c65520e1a97a44a0b6658bf32e6cbb6e&ei=

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Explaining the move, new AFL chief executive Andrew Dillon said the opening round fixture was introduced to help bolster the sport’s appeal in the northern markets.

“We were fortunate to be in a position where we were able to have access to our major venues in Queensland and NSW a weekend earlier than usual which gave us a unique opportunity to play these four games in key markets where footy continues to grow in popularity,” Dillon told AAP. “The four match-ups are big, with four of our biggest-supported Victorian clubs travelling north, and we look forward to starting our season with real momentum before we head into a blockbuster round of matches in round one.”
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: northernblue on November 17, 2023, 11:01:40 pm
Yes but the players are also built differently.

Pre season should be December to February imo.. main season should be stretched out to November with more byes/breaks sometimes stretching out two weeks like in soccer with international matches.

Soccer grounds are soccer grounds, AFL uses cricket grounds mainly.
Have you got enough money to build and more importantly maintain grounds only/primarily  for AFL use ?
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: pinot on November 18, 2023, 09:03:33 am
Soccer grounds are soccer grounds, AFL uses cricket grounds mainly.
Have you got enough money to build and more importantly maintain grounds only/primarily  for AFL use ?

It's only an additional six rounds. Considering those six rounds will give broadcasters more content and more negotiation power to broker a deal at a much higher rate in next TV deal. Where funding goes to where it is required most - a nationalised state league and premier division in each state for development. We are seeing 19-25 year olds in state leagues far exceeding pick 30s in recent years but don't have the platform to showcase their wares due to poor competition structure.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: kruddler on November 18, 2023, 12:35:24 pm
It's only an additional six rounds. Considering those six rounds will give broadcasters more content and more negotiation power to broker a deal at a much higher rate in next TV deal. Where funding goes to where it is required most - a nationalised state league and premier division in each state for development. We are seeing 19-25 year olds in state leagues far exceeding pick 30s in recent years but don't have the platform to showcase their wares due to poor competition structure.

You missed the point of his post.

The AFL season starts when it does because there are no grounds to play on earlier than that.
Pre-season games are played out bush half the time just to find a ground.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: LP on November 19, 2023, 07:57:45 am
You missed the point of his post.

The AFL season starts when it does because there are no grounds to play on earlier than that.
Pre-season games are played out bush half the time just to find a ground.
The problem is only going to get worse with the growing demand for women's sporting facilities, compounded by the AFL and it's stupid game schedule policy, but it's not just a footy problem.
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Thryleon on November 19, 2023, 03:31:15 pm
The problem is only going to get worse with the growing demand for women's sporting facilities, compounded by the AFL and it's stupid game schedule policy, but it's not just a footy problem.

problem solved, reinstate ikon park and get vfl park ready!
Title: Re: Fixture 2024
Post by: Sub-Zero on November 19, 2023, 04:53:30 pm
problem solved, reinstate ikon park and get vfl park ready!
It would help. It's also without mention until now, that every AFL grounds, bar none, are shared by several cricket teams during their season too.