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Reply #195
Great to read Ross Brawn call out the bullcrap from Toto and Horner, didn't play a favourite, and has signalled an end to the crying on the radio for 2022.
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Reply #196
Are we at all surprised by the F1 drivers venting about the Miami event, it was probably the most artificially staged for media/ social media sporting even in the history of global sport. A fake track, fake marinas, fake chair lift, fake drama, fake celebrities, was there anything real besides risk?

The event was almost archetypal in describing the USA's slide into an internet driven mire where nothing is real, not even the F1 race track!
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Reply #197
Are we at all surprised by the F1 drivers venting about the Miami event, it was probably the most artificially staged for media/ social media sporting even in the history of global sport. A fake track, fake marinas, fake chair lift, fake drama, fake celebrities, was there anything real besides risk?

The event was almost archetypal in describing the USA's slide into an internet driven mire where nothing is real, not even the F1 race track!

Typically american event. Plenty of over the top 'sideshows' and a lacking main event.

Weather hurt the drivers.
Lack of run off nearly killed the drivers
Track ripping apart is simply embarrassing.

If it wasn't for the safety car, it would've been the most boring race ever with next to zero overtakes.

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Reply #198
It's bizarre the perspectives professional sportspeople have, some may say distorted perspectives.

Anyone watching the F1 last weekend got a front seat of this warped sense of reality in action. McLaren F1 are not shy at making use of team orders, and we saw two horrendous versions of this last weekend.

The 1st was preventing Ricciardo from passing Norris early in the race, which was itself bizarre given they were on very different tyre strategies. This may have cost McLaren 2 or 3 spots at the race end.

The 2nd was late in the race telling Norris he couldn't pass Ricciardo, and probably cost McLaren at least one spot on the finish.

I suspect the 1st incident was McLaren managing Norris, expectations and politics, while the 2nd was more about PR and not looking like hypocrites to the F1 world media.

As for the sportspeople, Ricciardo at race end said there were a few "little team orders", despite being heard complaining on the team radio about being held up by Norris. Norris post race complaining about being shockingly ordered by the team not to pass Ricciardo, also like the earlier event which Norris greatly benefitted from had never happened!

The whole day was McLaren shooting itself in the foot, they may well have ended up with two cars in the top 6 had the executives stayed out of the way! The analysis I have seen suggested the early "management event" cost Ricciardo about 30s in total race time, 4th place, and the later "management event" cost Norris 8s in total race time, or 6th place!
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Reply #199
It’s bloody boring at the moment.

At least last season merc and red bull were on par so the racing was at least between those 2 but this season no one is consistent or fast enough to seriously challenge red bull making the result way too predicable.

Hopefully merc will sort the porpoising and provide some competition as I don’t hold much hope for Ferrari as their reliability is a disaster.

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Reply #200
It’s bloody boring at the moment.

At least last season merc and red bull were on par so the racing was at least between those 2 but this season no one is consistent or fast enough to seriously challenge red bull making the result way too predicable.

Hopefully merc will sort the porpoising and provide some competition as I don’t hold much hope for Ferrari as their reliability is a disaster.
Boring? Not if you're a Ferrari fan, like supporting Carlton at the minute, just waiting for the next breakdown.
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Reply #201
It's bizarre the perspectives professional sportspeople have, some may say distorted perspectives.

Anyone watching the F1 last weekend got a front seat of this warped sense of reality in action. McLaren F1 are not shy at making use of team orders, and we saw two horrendous versions of this last weekend.

The 1st was preventing Ricciardo from passing Norris early in the race, which was itself bizarre given they were on very different tyre strategies. This may have cost McLaren 2 or 3 spots at the race end.

The 2nd was late in the race telling Norris he couldn't pass Ricciardo, and probably cost McLaren at least one spot on the finish.

I suspect the 1st incident was McLaren managing Norris, expectations and politics, while the 2nd was more about PR and not looking like hypocrites to the F1 world media.

As for the sportspeople, Ricciardo at race end said there were a few "little team orders", despite being heard complaining on the team radio about being held up by Norris. Norris post race complaining about being shockingly ordered by the team not to pass Ricciardo, also like the earlier event which Norris greatly benefitted from had never happened!

The whole day was McLaren shooting itself in the foot, they may well have ended up with two cars in the top 6 had the executives stayed out of the way! The analysis I have seen suggested the early "management event" cost Ricciardo about 30s in total race time, 4th place, and the later "management event" cost Norris 8s in total race time, or 6th place!

I disagree with your take on McLarens efforts.

The first call in leaving Ricciardo behind Norris had 2 benefits.
1. Allowing Ricciardo to save his tyres without worrying about getting swallowed up by those behind him. It allowed him to cruise and get DRS cancelling out the DRS of those following......once Norris pitted, you saw how quickly ricciardo was swallowed up.
2. Allowed Norris to continue plodding along finding a better spot to jump back into after his pit.

As for the second one....
It was explained well at the time via radio to Norris. "We didn't make you give it up early, so we are not going to make him give it up now."

Ultimately, the timing of the stops allowed Ricciardo to get in front of his teammate....and hold position.

As for your assertion of 'time lost' as a result of the above, that may well be true, but that could've gone out the window had there been another yellow flag/safety car at a better time.
One thing you failed to mention was the fact that the mediums did nothing for Ricciardo...had he been able to get the most out of them he would've disappeared down the road and made all of the above a moot point.

As always, its easy in hindsight.

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Reply #202
It’s bloody boring at the moment.

At least last season merc and red bull were on par so the racing was at least between those 2 but this season no one is consistent or fast enough to seriously challenge red bull making the result way too predicable.

Hopefully merc will sort the porpoising and provide some competition as I don’t hold much hope for Ferrari as their reliability is a disaster.

Ferrari are faster than Red Bull at the minute.....its just 50-50 if they will blow up or not.

As for the porpoising on the Merc....i find it amusing. Rather than fix it, and take the time hit that goes with it, they continue to complain to the FIA to try and get the rules changed to give them a leg up.
It shows they clearly value points more than their drivers health. Talk about Hamilton not being right for Canada next week has been talked down, but if it continues as is, its only a matter of time until he does miss.
I'm not going to lie, i like seeing Toto sook it up and struggle.  >:D

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Reply #203
It's a bit sad, I've been a big fan of Ricciardo, but we can't say this hasn't been coming for some time. The measure of F1 drivers has always been and always will be against their team-mate. Whether you think it is fair or foul doesn't matter, it's a bubble sort, and whoever rises to the top wins. In this respect Norris has had Daniel comfortably covered for sometime.

We should be too upset, Ricciardo will walk away with about US$20M as a payout, not too bad for redundancy!

If he wants to keep driving he'll probably find a seat in one of the lesser teams, much like Vettel or Alonso, and there also remains the possibility of other retirements, but for any team "in the running" he is unlikely to be the top driver.
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Reply #204
Ricciardo was in a handicapped race and could not overcome the handicap.

Norris had 2 years driving the same car and haven't it developed to his liking, which incidentally, takes away Daniels strength.
Although you'd expect someone at that level to overcome such things, when you have to drive in a completely different way to the way that got you to the top, its hard to do.

We'll see how his replacement fits in. They'll need to make sure its not a driver set in his ways.

Danny Ric should end up at Alpine as its the best car going that is available. Its essentially back to his old team, without the old issues since they've moved on those in charge in the meantime, and increased their budget.


 

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Reply #205
I'm sure Mercedes had Aussie race director Michael Masi sacked because he was the cause of the farcial F1 finish, and yet ............................ !

An associate in the know tells me Masi is too nice of a person to be laughing at the F1 authorities today!
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